Wilhelm II and General Ludendorff

[Richard Stanley]

I just watched these two interesting biographies, the first of Kaiser Wilhelm II and the second of General Erich Ludendorff.

Both of these individuals played strong roles in regards to WWI and this launching us into WWII. These are strictly the surface narratives, and so mentions of that the leading royal families of Europe were all reproducing cousins play no role in conspiratorial geopolitical motivations. Instead Wilhelm II is driven by a competitive need to overcompensate for his defective arm. He loves his dear Auntie Victoria, but this can't stop him from falling into Thucydides' Trap (i.e the lesser German state rising against the dominant British power).

Ludendorff is the bridge between Wilhelm and Hitler, with Ludendorff escaping prison after the Beer Hall Putsch. The docu states that it is Ludendorff's anti-Semitism and blaming of the German Left for the defeat that provided so much impetus for the rise of Hitler. The irony is that Hitler was the new leader of a worker's party, which are normally the domain of the left (and Otto Strasser says the DAP was indeed 'socialist'), associated with 'socialism' that Ludendorff rails against. But as we've discussed on another thread, this was all bait and switch, including the adding of the terms 'nationalist' and 'socialism' into the DAP, making it the NSDAP.

The Ludendorff docu states that he was a detached (from reality) armchair general, even taking a month off from leading the war from mental exhaustion. And like Ludendorff, Wilhelm expressed anti-Semitism, perhaps also to deflect from his role. Yet, it was his royal 18th century ancestors who gave us the Romantic Blood and Soil ethno-nationalistic impulse, simultaneously brought such as the Rothschilds to financial power, and his later Prussian ancestors who first employed Marx. Neither WWI or WWII were winnable for the Germans (especially with Hitler in charge), and the outcome was Israel and the EU.

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

Like multiple Jesii from another thread, I see multiple Hitlers just after WWI. The guy Karl Mayr was running for Ludendorff seems like an actual spy- the guy who supposedly, in 1912, stayed with his half-brother in Liverpool while said half was in a beard marriage with a member of the peerage named Dowling. This must have been some kind of liaise with British intel as I am of the opinion that WWI & II were collaborations between German and British intelligence regarding the Hitler project. This Hitler was not the fictional Hitler from the Austrian equivalent of rural Alabama described in the equally fictional Mein Kampf. He was also the guy who had the phony Iron Crosses issued to him without mention of the specific actions that won him the medals. This spy was sheep-dipped to better move in clandestine circles. He was the guy Pacelli supposedly funneled money for Ludendorff through while nuncio in Berlin.

Then there is the actor, possibly named Gustav Weler, who was the Hitler coached by playwright and actor, Dietrich Eckart in the German expressionist style which Weler carried over to the podium and newsreels and Triumph of the Will. This part of the Hitler persona construction was surrounded by artists, writers and theater types like Harrer, Hanfstaengl and Drexler, et al. Sebottendorff (aka Adam Glauer) was another dubious character who had a hand the early the media blitzes, via newspapers. He was another Mayr stooge who came out of the German/Turkey wing of Army intel. Like spy Hitler, Glauer was a mole tasked with selling out individuals found to be inconveniently placed- that is, fools who actually believed in socialism.
Later, doubles abounded. Julius Schrek (Likely an intel alias) who supposedly founded the SA and SS, became Hitler’s bodyguard/chauffeur/political decoy. He “died” in ’36 from either an assassination (mistaken for Hitler) an infection from an abscessed tooth, or a car accident. Your choice.

The Hitler under the low military hat brim on the reviewing stand or standing in motorcades could have been anyone as long as the Chaplinesque ‘stache was visible. By then, people believed what they were told they were seeing.

The stories of Hitler escaping to a remote area of the world after the war are just that, stories, like the rest of the project.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Very interesting Tyrone. It seems plausibe. Are you developing this for a book?

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

I have a head high stack of research that I've been processing for about four years. Eventually it will be in some form between covers. Check back when I retire and have the time to finish it. Three years? Four? Months from now? Can't say.

 

[Seeker]

The stories of Hitler escaping to a remote area of the world after the war are just that, stories, like the rest of the project.

So I take it that you believe the mainstream account that Hitler committed suicide in his bunker with his wife Eva Braun. Others believe that it was one of those "doubles" that you are talking about, such as the one in the famous suicide picture of "Hitler".

 

[Seeker]

Like multiple Jesii from another thread, I see multiple Hitlers just after WWI.

Some of this I knew about, some of this I didn't. I guess it is easier for me to list what I didn't know:

(1)

a member of the peerage named Dowling.

How was Irish girl Bridget Dowling "a member of the peerage"?

(2)

This Hitler was not the fictional Hitler from the Austrian equivalent of rural Alabama

Who was then, you mean he was just manufactured out of nowhere?

(3)

He was also the guy who had the phony Iron Crosses issued to him without mention of the specific actions that won him the medals.

He was decorated with the Iron Cross, Second Class, for bravery at the First Battle of Ypres, October 1914.
However, his 1918 award of the Iron Cross, First Class, has been more controversial, especially in recent years, not in the least because it was recommended for him by a Jewish adjutant, which may have been a reason why Hitler downplayed this decoration and what he did to get it.

(4) So who was the "Hitler" who actually ran Germany as Fuhrer, I do not mean the "posers", this is not clear to me.

 

[Seeker]

his later Prussian ancestors

Not to mention the Prussian "Blood and Iron" Chancellor of the preceding generation, Otto von Bismarck, with the Prussians going back in time to the Teutonic Knights, who were a Crusading order officially recognized by Pope Celestine III, an Orsini, according to their family legend descended from the Julio-Claudians.

 

[Seeker]

Beer Hall Putsch.

One of the events occurring on the German "Schicksalstag" (Day of Fate) for today, November 9, in 1923. The others are:

Nov. 9, 1848- left liberal leader Robert Blum was executed during the Revolutions of 1848, on the eve of his 41st birthday.

Nov. 9, 1918- Kaiser Wilhelm II was dethroned in the November Revolution.

Nov. 9, 1922- Albert Einstein won the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics.

Nov. 9, 1923- Besides the Beer Hall Putsch, on this day German Crown Prince Wilhelm returned to Germany from his exile in the Netherlands.

Nov. 9, 1938- "Kristallnacht", the Night of Broken Glass, carried out on Nov. 9-10.

Nov. 9, 1989- The fall of the Berlin Wall.

In addition, this is the eve of the birth of the leader of the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther, on Nov. 10, 1483.

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

Seeker- Consider that "Hitler" was supposed to be a deserter from the Austrian Army (was drafted and never showed) and yet he was somehow allowed to suit up for Germany when, apparently, German law forbade the recruitment of foreigners. How does that happen except on paper? The official explanation is that he was deported, failed his physical exam for the Austrian army, but then was able to slip back into the German army through a clerical error. And nobody asked for proof of German citizenship. The knees simply buckle and snap...
"Hitler" was also tried for treason, found guilty, and, instead of being executed, was given a cushy suite in a resort "prison" and was released after 9 months. (Mein Kampf was ghostwritten by, IMO, Karl Haushofer, his protege' Rudolph Hess and Bernhard Stempfle, who provided the anti-Semitic spice). Why wasn't "Hitler" at least deported back to Austria where he would be thrown into a real jail? Because "Hitler" was a project. The creation-yes, out of whole cloth- of a persona, essayed by multiple actors to be a lightening rod around which the German/British intelligence agencies could sell the war. The Beer Hall shenanigans and show trial were put together to introduce this character to the wider world.
When the prearranged outcome of the war came to pass, "Hitler" was the lint catcher that distracted the public away from the real culprits: the usual suspects: Banksters, et al. engaged in the sweep and clear of the east, forcing rural societies into urban centers, forcing these agrarian refugees into wage slavery for industry. The ideological crap that is supposedly the cause of war is just smoke to obscure brutal business practices. Israel is another by-product of these practices, but just consider that Israel was created to move Jews out of Europe without killing them, giving them a place to go. That statement will brand me as a Holocaust denier, but I'm not saying people didn't die. Cutting off brittle food and water supplies will kill quickly, especially refugees and prisoners cut off from land and language. But people get emotional about "Hitler" and that's the way this character was designed. To keep critical faculties disengaged and emotion hot so as better to be persuaded into modifying one's behavior in a way "THEY" want, he said.

As for Dowling, I am making a loose assumption that this peerage name was not changed in the telling because it was some kind of marker for those in the fold but out of this particular loop. Liverpool handled most of the ships docking from the west and I am certain the presence of British intelligence was substantial. Plausible alternatives on this are encouraged.

 

[Seeker]

Very interesting Tyrone. It seems plausibe. Are you developing this for a book?

Tyrone, I am quoting Richard because my reaction is the same as his to your postings. Over 20 years ago, I was really "into" Hitler, and bought about a half dozen books about him, because I naively thought that if I read his life in depth from the very beginning, I might be able to discern the moment in time when, psychologically, he had that dramatic personality change from the dreamy, artistic, youth that he was into something entirely different. Needless to say, I did not succeed in my quest. However, while we are on the subject, I would like to ask you, what do you think of the various conspiracy theories on the paternity of his father? I have read, of course, that Alois (Schicklgruber) Hitler was the natural son of the son of a rich Jew named Frankenberger, even of a Rothschild, and, even more incredibly, Kaiser Wilhelm II, or King George V, the stories seem to grow more preposterous as the years go by. Could this be part of the disinformation about the "fictional Hitler from the Austrian equivalent of rural Alabama" that you were referring to?

 

[Richard Stanley]

The ideological crap that is supposedly the cause of war is just smoke to obscure brutal business practices. Israel is another by-product of these practices, but just consider that Israel was created to move Jews out of Europe without killing them, giving them a place to go. That statement will brand me as a Holocaust denier, but I'm not saying people didn't die.

Generally agreed, but I think the creation of Israel was THE main objective, obscured by the real and other blood sacrificed. As such, I wonder what really went on in the minds of those who read Black's (a Jew) The Transfer Agreement about the Jewish Agency deal(s) with the Nazis to relocate Jews to Palestine and have the Jews there do infrastructure developments by buying German industrial goods like steel.

Without Israel in place, and its accoutrements the script for a Futurist End times cannot be played out, and thus one cannot ensure that the fundamentalist monkeys will stay entrained into konformity.

Consider that "Hitler" was supposed to be a deserter from the Austrian Army (was drafted and never showed) and yet he was somehow allowed to suit up for Germany when, apparently, German law forbade the recruitment of foreigners.

And now we have an immigrant son of Bavaria who dodged the Vietnam draft with fake bone spurs. Tyrone, have you read my thread on the Eschatology of the Third and Fourth Reichs?

 

[Suchender]

....events occurring on November 9 :
Nov. 9, 1848-
Nov. 9, 1918-
Nov. 9, 1922-
Nov. 9, 1923-
Nov. 9, 1938-
Nov. 9, 1989-

In european reading : 9.11....whatever year !

There are more 9.11's, of course !

 

[Seeker]

In european reading : 9.11....whatever year !

There are more 9.11's, of course !

Interesting, from "Day of Fate" to "Twist of Fate"!

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

Richard, I have but taken a glance at that thread but will look into it further. Israel was of course of major importance to the agenda, but industrialization of the rural east was paramount, IMO. Israel is also an evergreen source of tension to keep military memes in play, as well as generating ongoing Gentile "guilt". As that sense of guilt abates in certain circles, new tactics such as the White Supremacy project up the stakes for a modern world. But you can be certain the same, what? Zionists? are behind this maintenance of Israel being necessary. Even a necessary evil. I do not buy any of the End Times stuff as real. Just more deliberate cortisol abuse. No offense.
Seeker- Hitler's paternity looks like a tapestry of misdirection. Questions about a hick becoming, briefly, the most powerful man on all of planet Earth required an explanation and that is what the Rothschild element appears to have been designed to address. Problem was, Baron Rothschild was Jewish. That may have spurred the Hiedler/Hitler name scramble that has no logic to it. Why would a 40 year old guy change his name from one variant to another? Mad Man Mathis suggests that "Hiller" is the real name and that this variant derives from "Hillel". Given that I don't think there is an actual living breathing template, the name problem seems to be on the fly rewrites as the project evolved. And it's still evolving. Before I posted this: https://pieceofmindful.com/2017/01/26/the-hitler-project-pasewalk-idyll/#more-58483 the gas attack vignette at Ypres in 1918 was being removed in some accounts. WWII history is an amorphous mass of lies, somewhat agreed upon, and needs to be updated regularly to preserve The Big Lie.

 

[Richard Stanley]

But you can be certain the same, what? Zionists? are behind this maintenance of Israel being necessary. Even a necessary evil. I do not buy any of the End Times stuff as real. Just more deliberate cortisol abuse.

As Bill Clinton might say: "Well, it all depends on who you mean by Zionists." On other days, he might say: "You say Zion and I say Zoan."

What do you mean by "a necessary evil?"

What do you mean by the End Times stuff as real or not real? Not real works of Dogod, and/or not real works of humans playing gods? I consider it advanced human shepherding, and yes, modulating cortisol is a key part of that. That's what Religion is generally for anyhow.

In any case, one can't hold a Christian apocalypse without a second Third Temple can one?

 

[Seeker]

Given that I don't think there is an actual living breathing template,

I literally don't either, since he was supposed to have been born in 1889, but I know what you mean. So you must think that his baptismal certificate and publicized baby picture are fakes, along with his school records?

"Hitler" was the lint catcher that distracted the public away from the real culprits: the usual suspects: Banksters, et al.

So the answer to my question as to who actually ruled Germany would be such as Thyssen, Schacht, Krupp? I am not referring to the bankers outside of Germany by this question, but who actually made the decisions in Berlin if there was no actual Fuhrer?

 

[Suchender]

.... who actually made the decisions in Berlin if there was no actual Fuhrer?

Less important decisions probably by public figures.

Rally important decisions by those with real power.

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/hitler-baby-photo-fake Never heard of that one before. Wonder if the story is as fake as the photo in question (the subject certainly dies a nasty and inconvenient death) As for the "real" baby pic, I can find no traceable source verifying this famous single photo is Hitler Boo Boo, but perhaps MI6 will provide one once they read this. (Um, which is not to imply anyone here at the forum who might have a credible source is ipso facto spooky, elohel...)
A hoax this important would have a comprehensive, if often contradictory, paper trail. Odd that young Adolph was graded a lousy artist, if the Austrian grade system is the same as the states. Somehow I doubt it was. Where did this english language report card come from? And where and when was the birth certificate originally photographed? Probably impossible questions to answer so do these pieces of evidence go in an inadmissable file?
As to who ruled in the actor's stead, I would say the people who always rule. The families and their media, the industrialists and their banksters, the military high command, and assorted inbred royals. It appears to me that foreign ownership of indigenous resources is the way all countries are run. Keeps the owner's eyes on the Moneyball and keeps any unlikely concern for those indigenous from having any impact on business decisions. At the moment I suspect some Ivy League grads back home in Peking are running the US economy and industry. The US may be returning the favor, given reports of three day long traffic jams and the construction of ghost cities, plus professional sports culture being rammed down China's throat. The slavery and infanticide and the attendant male surplus probably gives wonks on Wall Street serious wood fantasizing about how to employ such atrocities stateside. Going to lie down now.

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

BTW, Richard, I'm reading the suggested thread and will hopefully elaborate soon. A full time job and a full time mother is a full plate.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Where did this english language report card come from?

Considering that this is a computer font, it had to be transcribed and translated from an original document. All such report cards and similar forms were usually filled in by hand normally. Considering that the American school system is based upon the Prussian system we might have used the same grades?