Which Came First, the Helen or the Egg?

Richard Stanley

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My title playing off that Helen and her divine brothers were born from eggs, an interesting academic project, using a giant database of world history, asserts that the formation of big civilizations led to the big gods (not the other way around). Shocking!!! :rolleyes:

However, it could seem ironicly confounding that the Homeric Helen, Castor, and Pollux predates the period of Hellenization - except that the later Hellenes were named after a boy named Hellen, not Helen of Troy. With the rise of Classical Greece from the ashes of the Bronze Age, Helen's brothers became the twin saviors of the Greco-Roman world, until the succeeding Christian age - Paul riding a ship named the Castor and Pollux on his way to Rome.

The article goes on to briefly ponder what the result of increasing secularization will be on global developments. Hmmm

When you think of religion, you probably think of a god who rewards the good and punishes the wicked. But the idea of morally concerned gods is by no means universal. Social scientists have long known that small-scale traditional societies – the kind missionaries used to dismiss as “pagan” – envisaged a spirit world that cared little about the morality of human behaviour. Their concern was less about whether humans behaved nicely towards one another and more about whether they carried out their obligations to the spirits and displayed suitable deference to them.
Nevertheless, the world religions we know today, and their myriad variants, either demand belief in all-seeing punitive deities or at least postulate some kind of broader mechanism – such as karma – for rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked. In recent years, researchers have debated how and why these moralising religions came into being.
Now, thanks to our massive new database of world history, known as Seshat (named after the Egyptian goddess of record keeping), we’re starting to get some answers. ...
 

Seeker

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the later Hellenes were named after a boy named Hellen
His descendants were led by Achilles in the Trojan War:

The Homeric Catalogue of Ships speaks of Achilles' kingdom as follows (Iliad book 2.723–8):
Now again all those who dwelt in Pelasgic Argos:
those who dwelt in Alos and Alope and Trachis
and those who held Phthia and Hellas with its fair women,
and who were called Myrmidons and Hellenes and Achaians;
of those fifty ships the leader was Achilles.
 

Richard Stanley

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Interesting, I wonder if the claim about this boy named Hellen is hiding something? And then Hellen is like Cash's Boy Named Sue?
 

Seeker

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In some versions of their stories Hellen and Helen are both fathered by Zeus, making them half-siblings. Hellas in the region of Phthia, "with its fair women" (like Helen?), was founded by Hellen.
 
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