What's up with Jay Dyer?

Jerry Russell

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good Catholic boys like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet
I see that Gates married into Catholicism, but why do you say Buffett is Catholic? The "official story" is that he was raised Presbyterian but is now agnostic. "Freedom From Religion Foundation" lists him as a poster child.

https://ffrf.org/news/day/dayitems/item/14839-warren-buffett

Of course, the smart 'big boys' get around the inheritance tax with good lawyers and accountants.
The way this was done was to set up a "Charitable" foundation, put the kids on the board of directors, and rely on them to use the foundation to promote family and elite interests broadly construed. Gates and Buffett set up their foundation more or less along these lines, presumably not expecting such a change as Trump is now promulgating.
 

Jerry Russell

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Watched the Jay Dyer video. It was pretty embarrassing for Jay, in that he mistook Galton Darwin's birthday (1887) for the date of publication (1952). Dyer repeatedly states that the book foreshadowed works by HG Wells, Bertrand Russell, etc., when actually Galton Darwin was following all that. Other than that, Dyer's rejection of Galton's ideas does seem to be coming from the background of this Catholic concept of "breeding humans like rabbits as an ideal".

Since this is as much about Dyer as it is about Galton Darwin, I'm moving this to the Jay Dyer thread.
 

Richard Stanley

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Since this is as much about Dyer as it is about Galton Darwin, I'm moving this to the Jay Dyer thread.
What happened to the video Loren posted?

I see that Gates married into Catholicism, but why do you say Buffett is Catholic? The "official story" is that he was raised Presbyterian but is now agnostic. "Freedom From Religion Foundation" lists him as a poster child.
Hmmm, I stand corrected. I distinctly remember reading that they were raised Catholic. Must double check everything, especially old memories.

https://www.catholicleague.org/why-warren-buffett-is-anti-catholic-2/

The following also goes to the fact that most Catholic Traditionalist consider typical American Catholics as apostate "cafeteria" Catholics. This stems from simply being in the wider American culture which was always an otherwise paradoxical anathema to the monarchist predilections of Rome. That's the problem of being part of a controlled opposition.
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/2012/05/08/melinda-gates-poster-billionaire-for-how-a-rotten-catholic-education/
 
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Richard Stanley

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The way this was done was to set up a "Charitable" foundation, put the kids on the board of directors, and rely on them to use the foundation to promote family and elite interests broadly construed. Gates and Buffett set up their foundation more or less along these lines, presumably not expecting such a change as Trump is now promulgating.
I forgot to reply that Buffett actually placed a huge portion of his wealth in the Gates' foundation, not his own. He said that he thought the Gates were better disposed to deal with the funds.

I'm still not certain that Bill merely married in Catholicism. Also, the CWR arguments in the article against Melinda ironically reads like legalistic Pharisees.
 

Jerry Russell

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Moved Loren's video post to this thread for context.

I feel that this is really obnoxious agit-prop. I had a very strong negative reaction.

I would agree that Dyer has some legitimate concerns about the rate of Islamic migration into Western societies. But, he seems to be working hard to whip up as much hate & fear as possible. He doesn't understand or recognize that ordinary Islamic people are not the enemy.

If we want to have fewer Islamic immigrants, the first step is to stop unjustly making war on their home countries, turning them into disaster areas and creating refugees. Dyer doesn't ever mention that aspect of the problem.

Quotes from the video:

I think we still are called to fight now. Orthodoxy has a history of great saints and kings who were virtuous in battle. they went to the battlefield and fought against Islam. They fought for their people, for their heritage, for their tribe, for their culture. That is true virtue, that is true heroism, and we should be doing that today. It's not fought out there on a battlefield. I mean it could one day but, you're not gonna be, you know, fighting darpa dogs and tanks with, you know, swords and horses. The battlefield is fought for the mind, is fought on line, it's fought through information war. That's where the real battlefield is is in our day....

We have a continual pattern of standing up to Islam because it is a heresy, and if you read the works of st. John of Damascus you understand why that is. I'm not really going to get into the theology here, but the point is that in terms of civilization studies we have to oppose Islam, right? And, the West is falling and the West is collapsing because of its own degeneracy....

Now I'm not saying that we go to war, but I'm saying that the pacifist tendency (as Spangler said) is the the sign of the collapse and death of a civilization. Once they adopt pacifism, because it means that they've lost their virility, and their manhood, and this is completely contrary to Christianity. And despite the idiocy of modern evangelicalism and pacifist Roman Catholicism, St. Athanasius and his fourth fortieth letter teaches very clearly the virtues of warfare and the death penalty....

It doesn't matter how many ecumenicals and how many liberals, how many modernists, try to tell us that we have to accept pacifism and higher criticism and liberalism and evolutionary nonsense, all of which I've covered many many times; because it all goes together, all the people that promote all that crap. they all go the same route and all they do is aid globalism. And what do we do? We defend the opposite. So the battle lines are becoming clearly drawn and you can decide which path you want to take. Death, sterility, the end, self-destruction. Maybe that is, maybe you want suicide, right? And as the scripture says, right? I've set before you life and death. Which of these will you choose? So that's really what we're, where we are -- at an impasse. And Western civilization, and by extension, you know, Orthodox countries as well, are really going to be faced with the choice of degenerate liberalism which is self-destructive and in all of its forms; or the return to robust masculine virile Orthodox theology.
Seriously? He expects us to reject the higher Biblical criticism, as well as the Theory of Evolution, because Orthodox theologians have bigger dicks?
 
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Richard Stanley

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I would agree that Dyer has some legitimate concerns about the rate of Islamic migration into Western societies. But, he seems to be working hard to whip up as much hate & fear as possible. He doesn't understand or recognize that ordinary Islamic people are not the enemy.

If we want to have fewer Islamic immigrants, the first step is to stop unjustly making war on their home countries, turning them into disaster areas and creating refugees. Dyer doesn't ever mention that aspect of the problem.
How can anyone today claim any sincere credibility and not understand that such as ISIS, al Qaeda, al Nusra, the Taliban and more are not the sponsored proxies and/or creations of the West and such as the Sauds and Israelis?

From what you've presented above, and prior in this thread, about Dyer he is a poster boy for the premise that Romish Christianity (in this case his Eastern Orthodox brand) is indeed merely the religious extension of the original Roman imperium, as was Byzantium itself (and its Eastern Orthodox religion).

This literal militarism is exactly what comes out when a Traditionalist feels threatened, or wants to play to the script perhaps. Jesus's pacifism aside, his religion expects an apocalyptic war, so what the fuck is he complaining about. He should be celebrating that Jesus (aka Isa) is coming to Save the day, along with Mighty Mouse.

He probably just has a Greek girlfriend and wants to impress her father.
 

lorenhough

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Why ?
Very good in depth look at those who rule
Very well done 10 stars
Fun to here it comming for more and more people
That think like us and have a part of the pie to add
For us to eat mmmm
Love to learn what we need to know to live the good life with out the masters pulling our chains

 

Jerry Russell

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Now that we've established that Hackard and Dyer have similar interests, I'm moving this to the Jay Dyer thread for context.
 
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