What's The Truth About Oil?

I am creating this new thread as part of the wider thread https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/ where I introduce my thesis that the end times scenario is being set up as a way to counteract the effects of the industrial revolution: (1) increase in population, 2) wellbeing extended to lower classes, 3) science and technology developments that undermine the power of the established elite.

In this thread specifically I am going to introduce for discussion many aspects concerning oil.

My theory has not yet gathered enough evidence, it is a theory that makes sense to me and actually looks obvious, anyway I encourage all interested readers to bring their contribution to assess facts, as many elements that I will present are just hypotheses.

We have already started to talk about oil in the wider thread, here: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/how-is-our-world-going-to-be-re-shaped-and-why-the-industrial-revolution.2521/page-3#post-12420
where I introduce my hypotesis that oil spills are being induced. The last finding give good reasons to think that at least the major oil spills have been induced.

For anything concerning oil please let's continue on this thread.

My theory is that when oil began to be used as a propulsion system and electricity production source, the established elite did not like it, because it was multiplying the effects above mentioned 1,2,3. But the elite has chosen oil above other sources of energy for its polluting effects.

As I mention in the wider thread, in my theory, the elite, in order to bring the industrial revolution to an end, has engaged in the industrial revolution itself, to misdirect it, so to create undesirable effects for the planet, to induce human beings to accept to give up the comforts we live in and go back to live in middle ages agrarian economy.

The elite is running the major companies in every sector, to set the trend, in order to accomplish its plan. It's also running political parties. It's also running major environmentalist groups. These three groups of actors all are working together to bring the industrial revolution to an end, although they appear opposed to each other (in particular 1 opposed to 3):

1) the major companies make damages to the environment and other undesirable effects

2) authorities do not take the necessary measures to limit the abuses of 1)

3) environmentalist groups expose the abuses of 1) and the lack of action and collusion of 2) with 1)

The public does the rest. As the 4th actors, if the public believe like puppets the play orchestrated by 1), 2) and 3), the game is made: we will revert back to a middle age agrarian society.
 
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IS OIL REALLY A FOSSIL FUEL?

Article 1)

What If Crude Oil Is Likely NOT Fossil Fuel! Not Created From Dead Dinosaurs and Plant Life? Likely Is Available Continuously And In Almost Limitless Supply?

Subtitle: What if crude oil is non-biological and the Earth creates new supplies constantly? What if scientific teaching for the past 120 years is dead wrong? The ramifications are HUGE!
N.A.S.A. (National Aeronautics and Space Administration made the initial discovery!

Copyright © 2007


Since World War I, science throughout the world taught as dogmatic fact that crude oil was a 'fossil fuel'. Textbooks from elementary school through graduate school taught that oil was produced by intense heat and pressure from the earth, acting on plant matter and dead animals -- like dinosaurs -- over millions and perhaps billions of years. This teaching is so accepted that no one ever has sought another explanation.

However, you must understand that this new discovery did not come from a hair brained source totally lacking in credibility; no, N.A.S.A. (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) made the initial discovery! Let us tell this most interesting story.

NEWS BRIEF: " 'Fossil fuel' theory takes hit with NASA finding: New study shows methane on Saturn's moon Titan not biological", World Net Daily, December 01, 2005

"NASA scientists are about to publish conclusive studies showing abundant methane of a non-biologic nature is found on Saturn's giant moon Titan, a finding that validates a new book's contention that oil is not a fossil fuel. 'We have determined that Titan's methane is not of biologic origin," reports Hasso Niemann of the Goddard Space Flight Center, a principal NASA investigator responsible for the Gas Chromatograph Mass Spectrometer aboard the Cassini-Huygens probe that landed on Titan Jan. 14. Niemann concludes the methane 'must be replenished by geologic processes on Titan' ..."

Please stop right there, so we can properly understand what NASA has just told us.

1) NASA is reporting that their scientific probes have discovered methane gas in "abundance" on Titan, one of the moons of Saturn. That alone is a fact worth shouting to the rooftops. However, NASA has also had to confront the reality that, since Titan does not have an atmosphere and since there is no evidence that it ever did, the abundant methane gas must be of a "non-biologic nature"!

2) This abundant methane gas on Titan is being constantly replenished! How is that possible, since there is no plant or animal life on the planet?

3) This replenishment is being caused by "geologic processes", which means that the first supplies of methane on Titan had to be from "geologic processes"!

Now, let us return to our featured article for more astonishing information.

"This finding confirms one of the key arguments in 'Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil,' claims co-author Jerome R. Corsi. 'We argue that oil and natural gas are abiotic products, not 'fossil fuels' that are biologically created by the debris of dead dinosaurs and ancient forests'. Methane has been synthetically created in the laboratory, Corsi points out, 'and now NASA confirms that abiotic methane is abundantly found on Titan."

This is shocking news, indeed! NASA's scientists never expected to find methane gas on Titan, much less in abundance.

Now, this discovery has great ramifications for Earth's crude oil and gas, does it not? Is it possible that much, if not all, of Earth's crude oil and natural gas are also non-biological and are being constantly renewed? In our featured article, above, Jerome Corsi asks a very important question about this discovery of methane gas on Titan.

'If the scientists have ruled out that biological processes created methane on Titan, why do petro-geologists still argue that natural gas on Earth is of biological origin?' Corsi asked." (Ibid)

This next news story speaks directly to this possibility.

NEWS BRIEF: "Discovery backs theory oil not 'fossil fuel': New evidence supports premise that Earth produces endless supply", By Jerome R. Corsi, World Net Daily, February 01, 2008

"A study published in Science Magazine today presents new evidence supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is a natural product the Earth generates constantly rather than a 'fossil fuel' derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs. The lead scientist on the study -- Giora Proskurowski of the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington in Seattle -- says the hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in the Lost City Hydrothermal Field were produced by the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in the mantle of the earth."

This statement is the first from a scientist which I have ever heard which definitively states that "hydrogen-rich fluids" are created by the "abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in the mantle of the earth."

If this is true, then the Earth is constantly replenishing its supply of crude oil and all natural gas products! What a staggering revelation! We shall return to the implications shortly, but now, let us return to this featured article.

"The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature, created by the deterioration of biological material deposited millions of years ago in sedimentary rock and converted to hydrocarbons under intense heat and pressure. While organic theorists have posited that the material required to produce hydrocarbons in sedimentary rock came from dinosaurs and ancient forests, more recent argument have suggested living organisms as small as plankton may have been the origin."

I can tell you from my days of high school biology that this statement is exactly correct. Conventional Wisdom holds that all oil and gas products come from decaying biological material originally deposited in the earth many millions and billions of years ago, and turned into oil and gas from the heat and pressure within the Earth's mantle.

However, NASA's revelations are badly undercutting this false belief.

"The abiotic theory argues, in contrast, that hydrocarbons are naturally produced on a continual basis throughout the solar system, including within the mantle of the earth. The advocates believe the oil seeps up through bedrock cracks to deposit in sedimentary rock. Traditional petro-geologists, they say, have confused the rock as the originator rather than the depository of the hydrocarbons." (Ibid.)

The human mind works in strange ways. Whenever a person -- even a highly trained scientist -- starts an investigation based upon prior presuppositions, he is likely to try to make the facts fit his presupposition rather than letting the facts lead him to the proper conclusion. So it apparently is with this subject of the true origin of hydrocarbons.

This next segment fleshes out our understanding with scientific fact.

"Proskurowski found hydrocarbons containing carbon-13 isotopes that appeared to be formed from the mantle of the Earth, rather than from biological material settled on the ocean floor. Carbon 13 is the carbon isotope scientists associate with abiotic origin, compared to Carbon 12 that scientists typically associate with biological origin. Proskurowski argued that the hydrocarbons found in the natural hydrothermal fluids coming out of the Lost City sea vents is attributable to abiotic production by Fischer-Tropsch, or FTT, reactions."

" 'Our findings illustrate that the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in nature may occur in the presence of ultramafic rocks, water and moderate amounts of heat', Proskurowski wrote ... Finding abiotic hydrocarbons in the Lost City sea vent fluids is the second discovery in recent years adding weight to the abiotic theory of the origin of oil." (Ibid.)

This is an amazing discovery, and one which holds tremendous ramification. Let us list some of these ramifications:

If this theory is correct, then:

1) The Earth is NOT running out of oil

2) This insane increase in the retail cost of gasoline and oil products can come to an end

3) The Middle East may no longer be such a hotspot, the place from which World War III could erupt should any minute thing go wrong.

4) This new information can have a great impact upon the Theory of Evolution!
 
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If that is true, then WHY ARE THEY HAVING DIFFICULTY FINDING NEW OIL SOURCES, HAVING TO USE FRACKING, WHICH IS VERY DAMAGING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT?

The answers can only be two:

1) Oil is really becoming scarce and the theory that the Earth is reforming it constantly is not true

2) Oil companies are pretending that oil is becoming scarse and are using fracking to make more environmental damages according to the orchestrated 3 actors play to put an end to the industrial economy.
 
Article 2)

Forget What You’ve Heard: Oil and Gas Are Actually "Renewable" Resources

Fossil fuels might not just come from fossils after all.

Matthew DiLallo

Oct 12, 2014

We've been taught that fossil fuels, like oil and natural gas, formed hundreds of millions of years ago. Prehistoric animals that once roamed the earth died. From the buried remains of these animals as well as plants, a natural decomposition process took place that required eons of time, intense heat, and a lot of pressure. This prehistoric process formed the fuels we now use today to run our modern economy.

Given that it took millions of years to fill the earth up with oil and gas, there has always been a concern over how fast we are consuming these resources. This is what sparked the Peak Oil Theory, which states that with a finite resource like oil it will at some point hit its production peak and then it will be all downhill from there. That's unless of course oil and gas are not finite resources, but instead turn out to actually be more renewable than we thought.

Renewable oil: From algae to green crude oil

Given the theory that fossil fuels were created by former living organisms, it suggests that given enough time, heat and pressure all fossil fuels would be "renewable." So, theoretically, millions of years from now today's organic matter could become oil. It's the time involved in this process that has kept oil from being considered a renewable resource. That, however, is beginning to change.

Scientists are using algae to create a biofuel that closely resembles crude oil. This's actually not all that surprising given that most of the oil found in shale is thought to come from marine algae that was buried and converted into oil as it cooked underground over time. However, a new process discovered by researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory has found a way to speed up the cooking process so that it can now convert a small mixture of algae and water into a kind of crude oil in less than an hour.

The process, which is called hydrothermal liquefaction, can even be used on other organic material like municipal sewage and be used as a drop in oil feedstock for refineries that process crude oil. Given the rapid time this oil can be created, it certainly calls into question the idea that oil can't be a renewable resource.

One company that's leading the way to grow crude oil is Sapphire Energy, which is working on a commercial demonstration scale algae-to-energy facility in New Mexico. The green crude oil, as its being called, requires sunlight, non-potable water, non-arable land and air to turn algae into oil. It's main energy source is actually carbon dioxide as the algae converts it into oil. In fact, the algae consumes 12 to 14 kg of carbon dioxide per gallon of green crude that is produced, so because the process consumes carbon dioxide, it yields a 70% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions when compared to using traditional oil as a transportation fuel.

The green crude oil that will be produced from that farm will be chemically identical to traditional crude oil. That will allow the oil to be used in most refineries to be turned into gasoline, diesel, or jet fuel. What's remarkable is that the process takes just a matter of weeks as opposed to hundreds of millions of years.

Renewable natural gas: Methane-belching microbes and more
Natural gas, likewise, could be considered a renewable fuel. Biogas, biomethane, or renewable natural gas is produced by organic waste as it breaks down. It is produced in landfills, wastewater treatment plants, commercial food waste facilities and farms. That raw biogas, however, can be collected and upgraded to meet natural gas pipeline quality specifications and then can be used just like the natural gas we get from a fossil fuel well. In fact, companies like Clean Energy Fuels (NASDAQ:CLNE) source renewable natural gas from farms and landfills to be used as a transportation fuel, which it has branded as Redeem. Meanwhile, Waste Management (NYSE:WM) has developed a technology that converts landfill gas into a fuel it uses for its fleet. Finally, some landfills capture methane and use it to produce electricity.

Landfills, however, are far from the only renewable source of methane gas. Wetlands, livestock, termites, and even methane-belching microbes produce natural gas, suggesting that it's not necessarily just a fossil fuel. Like algae oil this process could one day be commercialized. That would have the potential to produce abundant, renewable natural gas a whole lot quicker than the millions of years it took to create our current sources of natural gas.
There is a lot we still don't know about our world. While we're pretty sure that the oil and gas we use to fuel our economies came from a prehistoric world, that might not be the only source of this energy in the future. With science now beginning to figure out how to speed up the process, we might one day live in a world where oil and gas are both completely renewable resources.


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Article 3)

WHAT HAPPENED TO SAPPHIRE ENERGY?

APRIL 19, 2017 ALGAEWORLDNEWS

[USA] Since beginning of this year, Sapphire Energy no longer exists. It was bought by a farmer for pennies on the dollar. There was an announcement on Sapphire Energy website but the new owner took it down. Nothing to do with biofuels anymore, only farming.

In year 2014, Sapphire Energy employed over 150 employees. The company was headquartered in San Diego, Calif., and had an engineering office in Orange County, Calif. and a Research and Development facility in Las Cruces, NM. In addition, the company’s Green Crude Farm, the world’s first commercial demonstration algae-to-energy facility (also known as the Integrated Algal BioRefinery or IABR), for which construction began in June 2011, was operating in Luna Country, near Columbus, New Mexico.

How much money had Sapphire Energy raised?

In 2008, Sapphire Energy announced it had raised more than $100 million in a Series B funding round which included ARCH Venture Partners, Wellcome Trust, Venrock and Cascade Investment, LLC. In April 2012, the company announced it had secured $144 million in Series C investment funding with backers including Arrowpoint Partners, Monsanto and other undisclosed investors, as well as all Series B investors.

In December 2009, Sapphire Energy was awarded a $54.5 million USDA loan guarantee and a $50 million grant from the US Dept. of Energy as part of President Obama’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and the USDA’s Biorefinery Assistance Program 9003, authorized through the 2008 Farm Bill. The $54.5 million loan guarantee awarded through the Biorefinery Assistance Program was issued to build a fully integrated, algae-to-crude oil commercial demonstration facility in Columbus, N.M. In partnership with the USDA and the U.S. Department of Energy, Sapphire Energy developed and implemented its facility, known as the Green Crude Farm, on time and on budget. In 2013, Sapphire Energy announced that it had paid off of its entire loan guarantee to the USDA.

Sapphire’s algae biofuel

Sapphire Energy’s Green Crude biofuel has been featured in multiple pilot demonstrations since 2009. The company used Syntroleum Inc (SYNM) technology to provide fifty gallons of gasoline for the Algaeus, a plugin-hybrid Toyota Prius that drove across the United States in September 2009. The tour was conducted to show that gasoline made by algae is viable in today’s vehicles, without modification.

In 2009, Continental Airlines also tested one of Sapphire Energy’s green crude blends. Sapphire Energy provided Green Crude oil for the first flight’s using algae derived jet fuel that was refined by UOP into jet fuel for two test flights – Continental Airlines 737-800 and Japan Airlines 747-300.

In 2012, the company provided its Green Crude diesel fuel to power Below the Surface’s ‘Driving Innovation’ Racing Team, which established itself by setting the first official algae-fueled diesel motorcycle speed records through a series of race challenges in the United States and Mexico.

Since 2008, Sapphire Energy had consistently ranked in the Biofuels Digest list of the hottest 50 companies in bioenergy.

In the September 2012 issue of Forbes magazine, Sapphire Energy expects its Green Crude to “be competitive with petroleum by 2018 if it can produce a minimum of 5,000 barrels a day”. Now it is less than 8 months away to 2018 and the company has ceased operating.

Exclusively reported by Algae World News

http://news.algaeworld.org/2017/04/happened-sapphire-energy/

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My obvious question is: WHY SAPPHIRE ENERGY STOPPED PRODUCING CRUDE OIL FROM ALGAE?

Can it be that economically it was not profitable or some other operative reason that made them prefer to stop?

Was it not still a bit early to stop producing for lack of profitability? The world is dying to have more oil and they give up so easily?

But let's imagine all was fine and the company was going to continue, the problem of exaustion of fossil fuels would be over.

Which is something that the elite cannot allow, or it cannot bring us back to middle age economy.
 
Another question arises then: DID THE ELITE KNOW THAT CRUDE OIL CAN BE REPRODUCED 20 YEARS AGO OR SO WHEN IT STARTED TO BLAME OIL FOR CLIMATE CHANGE?

COULD IT BE THAT CLIMATE CHANGE BLAME ON C02 EMISSIONS IS THE STRATEGY USED TO GET RID OF OIL ONCE AND FOR ALL , STOPPING THE THREAT OF ITS UNLIMITED PRODUCTION?

COULD IT ALSO BE THAT THE THEORY THAT OIL IS A FOSSIL WAS INVENTED AND FORCED ON US TO MAKE US BELIEVE THAT IT CANNOT BE REPRODUCED (BESIDES PROVING THE EVOLUTION THEORY RIGHT?)

In fact I was wondering why, since oil is doomed to exaustion it has been chosen as responsible for climate change (since I don't believe that oil combustion is responsible for climate change)?

There was no plausible reason, unless oil poses a threat for being reproduceable.
 
Government website, highlighting that: If adopted and commercialized by other refineries, this algae-based crude oil is a viable “green” alternative fuel option.

EERE Success Story—California and New Mexico: Sapphire Energy Advances the Commercialization of Algae Crude Oil

JANUARY 31, 2014

Home » EERE Success Story—California and New Mexico: Sapphire Energy Advances the Commercialization of Algae Crude Oil

Sapphire Energy, Inc.—one of the world’s leaders in algae-based green crude oil production—has made significant advances toward commercializing algae crude oil at its Columbus, New Mexico, algae-to-crude oil facility. Built in partnership with the U.S. Department of Energy and U.S. Department of Agriculture, the facility—also known as the Green Crude Farm—now produces algae-based renewable biofuels on a daily basis. The Farm is the world’s first commercial-to-demonstration-scale facility that incorporates the entire value chain of algae-based crude oil production—from cultivation, to production, to withdrawal. The Farm is developing a technology that is set to produce crude oil suitable for refining and market use, while passing U.S. Environmental Protection Agency certification requirements under the Clean Air Act.
Integrated energy manufacturing and logistics company, Phillips 66, with its expertise in hydroprocessing and fuels upgrading, has partnered with Sapphire Energy, with its vast knowledge of algae cultivation, to expand the facility’s current testing programs to further validate green crude oil’s ability to operate in traditional refineries and meet environmental standards. In under a year, Sapphire Energy has entered into contracts with two major companies in the oil and gas industry—helping to solidify the potential for algae fuel as a viable crude oil alternative. In addition to the Phillips 66 partnership, Sapphire Energy signed a sales agreement with Tesoro Refining and Marketing Company, LLC in March. Another promising partnership includes Sapphire’s commercial agreement, expanded in July, with gas and engineering company, the Linde Group, to develop a cost-efficient carbon dioxide delivery system for commercial algae production.
In 2015, Sapphire Energy expects to be at commercial demonstration scale. By 2018, the company looks to produce 5,000 barrels per day of renewable crude oil—leading to millions of gallons of renewable, domestically produced liquid transportation fuels.
The Bioenergy Technologies Office (BETO) works with a broad spectrum of industrial, academic, agricultural, and nonprofit partners across the United States to develop and deploy commercially viable, high-performance biofuels, bioproducts, and biopower from renewable biomass resources in America to reduce our dependence on imported oil.
The Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) success stories highlight the positive impact of its work with businesses, industry partners, universities, research labs, and other entities.

PROJECT OVERVIEW

Positive Impact

The Sapphire Green Crude Farm is the first algae-to-energy facility. If adopted and commercialized by other refineries, this algae-based crude oil is a viable “green” alternative fuel option.
Location

California and New Mexico
Partners
Sapphire Energy and Philips 66
EERE Investment
$50 million
Clean Energy Sector
Sustainable transportation

https://www.energy.gov/eere/success-stories/articles/eere-success-story-california-and-new-mexico-sapphire-energy-advances
 

Jerry Russell

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Staff member
Hello Emma,

Regarding abiotic oil theory, I would refer you (again) to this study
"Development of oil formation theories and their importance for peak oil" by Hook, Bardi, Feng & Pang.

Abstract
This paper reviews the historical development of both biogenic and non-biogenic petroleum formation. It also examines the recent claim that the so-called "abiotic" oil formation theory undermines the concept of "peak oil," i.e. the notion that world oil production is destined to reach a maximum that will be followed by an irreversible decline. We show that peak oil is first and foremost a matter of production flows. Consequently, the mechanism of oil formation does not strongly affect depletion. We would need to revise the theory beyond peak oil only for the extreme — and unlikely — hypothesis of strong abiotic petroleum formation.

Basically, it must be true that all carbon on earth was initially abiotic in origin. It's been here since the primordial formation of the planet, long before life began.

But, remember the graphic I posted about the carbon cycle? Since the origin of life, the earth has periodically and randomly belched up carbon from the mantle in the form of volcanic eruptions. There may be other vents as well. This carbon gets absorbed into the biosphere via photosynthesis, respiration and other processes, and gets incorporated into the bodies of plants and animals.

And then, some part of the carbon in the biosphere gets sequestered by falling to the bottom of the ocean, and trapped in sediments. Thus, the buildup of organically-sourced hydrocarbons within sedimentary rocks.

Petroleum engineers & academic scientists are overwhelmingly convinced that the oil, coal & natural gas deposits that form the basis of our industrial civilization, have been through this process. That's why they are available in concentrated form, but only in certain geological formations.

How much abiotic carbon exists deep within the mantle and the core of the earth, is an unknown question. But, does the answer really matter? If the hydrocarbons are too expensive to extract, they might as well not exist.

Reviewing the history of the oil industry: at the beginning, oil was practically oozing out of the ground. Now, new discoveries are in increasingly remote locations, offshore, or in the Arctic. To get more oil out of the continental USA, it's necessary to use the exotic, expensive & environmentally destructive fracking technology.

2) Oil companies are pretending that oil is becoming scarse and are using fracking to make more environmental damages according to the orchestrated 3 actors play to put an end to the industrial economy.
But think about how vast the conspiracy would need to be. We are talking about a worldwide industry, including Russia and China as major players, as well as the Mideast producers. And if there's really a cheap & easy source of oil, then whoever owns it is suffering a major sacrifice to keep it hidden.

My obvious question is: WHY SAPPHIRE ENERGY STOPPED PRODUCING CRUDE OIL FROM ALGAE?

Can it be that economically it was not profitable or some other operative reason that made them prefer to stop?
Why would you reject that obvious explanation out of hand? It's one thing to do a small demo project. It's quite another problem to operate a massive industrial project, and at a profit.

But having said that, I don't see any reason why ocean farming of algae couldn't be a viable energy source. More R&D is needed. Apparently the ~$250 million raised by Sapphire Energy wasn't enough, or perhaps they did indeed squander it somehow.

In fact I was wondering why, since oil is doomed to exaustion it has been chosen as responsible for climate change (since I don't believe that oil combustion is responsible for climate change)?
It seems to me that you are creating a sort of "cargo cult" here.

You believe that hydrocarbon fuels are infinitely available. You believe that it should be possible to extract them and distribute them without any accidents ever, and that if anything ever goes wrong it's intentional. In your opinion, we can dump as much CO2 into the atmosphere as we want, without having any effect on the climate.

You also believe that nuclear energy in its present (U235-based) form, is both safe & infinitely available.

In your view, the only thing standing in the way of a paradise on Earth, with infinitely expanding economic production & human population, is the evil machinations of the "elite". You believe that all the primary limitations are just propaganda and nothing else.

It's no wonder that "conspiracy theorists" have a bad name.

Tell me more about these "elite". If there's no problem with running out of oil, and there's no problem with climate change, why would they even want to reduce the population, or impoverish them? Why not just go on skimming vast profits from the system, as they do now? Surely in a medieval post-industrial society, the surplus production to maintain their mansions & yachts will be seriously reduced.
 
You believe that hydrocarbon fuels are infinitely available. You believe that it should be possible to extract them and distribute them without any accidents ever, and that if anything ever goes wrong it's intentional.
Who said that? You're putting words in my mouth that I haven't said. What I am doing is pondering various possibilities.

And I wonder why you believe the Roman Conspiracy about Jesus, you believe that the end times scenario in the bible is going to be intentionally replayed, yet a conspiracy which includes limitations of energy supply does seem too big to you.

It doesn't help much to know that Jesus is a fantasy if you cannot see the bigger picture of how this fantasy is going to be used to reshape our world in the future.

Tell me more about these "elite". If there's no problem with running out of oil, and there's no problem with climate change, why would they even want to reduce the population, or impoverish them? Why not just go on skimming vast profits from the system, as they do now? Surely in a medieval post-industrial society, the surplus production to maintain their mansions & yachts will be seriously reduced.
Well, we have a problem here anyway, if we believe that "Jesus" is coming to reign on earth "a thousand years" after defeating the bad Antichrist, then how this elite will be able to maintain its luxurious lifestyle, if God will have made justice during the apocalypse and killed all greedy entrepreneurs and destroyed their mansions & yatchts, except those who will repent (which includes giving up their wealth)?
When "Jesus" takes his place on earth at the head of the one world government left by the Antichrist, people will have to be poor, that's what Jesus preaches, in order to enter the kingdom of God. Money, greed, entrepreneurs and banks will be held responsible for the apocalypse just occurred, so I guess nobody will show such luxurious lifestyle again.

Yet, I have an idea of how they will manage to do that.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Who said that?
Your article 1 quoted above says:

What If Crude Oil Is Likely NOT Fossil Fuel! Not Created From Dead Dinosaurs and Plant Life? Likely Is Available Continuously And In Almost Limitless Supply?
Then it goes on to directly assert:

Conventional Wisdom holds that all oil and gas products come from decaying biological material originally deposited in the earth many millions and billions of years ago, and turned into oil and gas from the heat and pressure within the Earth's mantle.

However, NASA's revelations are badly undercutting this false belief.
So if the biotic origin of fossil fuel is a 'false belief', doesn't the conclusion necessarily follow? Isn't this article effectively asserting that oil is indeed available in "Almost Limitless Supply"? Aren't you "pondering various possibilities" with a strong element of advocacy?

I wonder why you believe the Roman Conspiracy about Jesus, you believe that the end times scenario in the bible is going to be intentionally replayed, yet a conspiracy which includes limitations of energy supply does seem too big to you.
We believe the Roman Origins theory, because we have very solid evidence for it. It was a very small conspiracy. the successive Roman Emperors' court intellectuals fabricated a few documents from time to time, and sent them out to the Imperial Cult temples, accompanied perhaps by a few operatives.

We also know that many powerful individuals are fundamentalist Christians and Jews and Muslims, and they believe in End Times prophecy. They say so all the time. So why shouldn't they be able to turn their beliefs into self fulfilling prophecies? Again these are very tight conspiracies we're envisioning: only a very small group of operatives would've been needed to orchestrate the 9/11/2001 attacks, for example.

Whereas, falsifying all the data that says we're running out of oil, would require a truly massive, breathtakingly widespread conspiracy. The same thing would apply to falsifying all the data that shows Global Warming and Climate Change are real problems.
 
So if the biotic origin of fossil fuel is a 'false belief', doesn't the conclusion necessarily follow? Isn't this article effectively asserting that oil is indeed available in "Almost Limitless Supply"? Aren't you "pondering various possibilities" with a strong element of advocacy?
No, it's not so strong. I am investigating to find out the truth. And even a strong element of advocacy would not be equal to affirming something as true.

On the other hand, we all have ideas that we tend to prefer to others. You as well. I don't see an impartial reader from your side, as well.

If I was totally convinced of my theories I would be running a website to let them known to the world, yet here I am choosing confrontation instead, to test them, and see their fallacies, or finding them more confirmed. Anyway, it's a tiring process when prejudice gets in the way, so I might as well decide to give up and just operate my own website, or do nothing at all. Why should I waste my time (and yours)?
 
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Jerry Russell

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I don't see an impartial reader from your side, as well.
I would admit to having pre-formed opinions about these topics.

I am choosing confrontation instead, to test them, and see their fallacies, or finding them more confirmed.
Perhaps we're not so far apart as it seems.

Basically, I agree that the End Times Prophecy believers are intending to smash up industrial civilization. I'm not sure to what extent they even understand the true consequences of their own actions. But the smashup is certainly coming, because of energy & raw material shortages, agricultural failure, climate change, and/or out of control war.

Most of the propaganda we're seeing, is trying to get people to stop worrying about all this. We're going to beat the Russians and Iranians and Chinese through intimidation, no reason to worry about nuclear war. Fracking will solve all our energy problems.

A few radicals understand that Peak Oil and Climate Change are real issues. And there's a second level of propaganda waiting for them. Solar and wind will solve all our energy problems. Or, Algae and Rotational Grazing will solve all our climate problems.

Everywhere the message is to stay calm, go to work, and pay your taxes.

The End Time Prophecy fundamentalists seem to believe that they don't need to worry either, because the Messiah will come and save them. Good luck with that.

If there are any truly workable solutions, we can't get to them, because they're undermined at every turn.
 
But think about how vast the conspiracy would need to be. We are talking about a worldwide industry, including Russia and China as major players, as well as the Mideast producers.
So you think that Russia and China are independent actors from US? That they really pursue interests opposed to each other and that, if a war breaks, Russia and US, or China and US will really be antagonists and not pretending to be?

You seem to agree that Hitler and US were not really enemies in WWII, but they pretended to be, or at least you accept that possibility. Is it true?

Then can you extend that possibility to Russia and China as well?

As for myself, I have tried to understand when Russia and China became governed by the same oligarchy governing the US and Europe, and that definitely seems to be when the Communist Revolutions occured in those two countries. 1917 in Russia and later in China.

Russia and China were two countries too tough to conquer with arms: Russia because of her gelid weather. Napoleon, earlier at the end of 18th century, had to withdraw from Russia with his soldiers dying from cold.
China was a monolitic feudal country closed on itself, focused on its own defence system (they even got to built the Great Wall), governed by dynasties of emperors for centuries (as well as Russia). It was too big to conquer from outside with soldiers. While a lot of less big Asian countries had been colonized earlier by European conquerors.

But from the inside, by means of revolutions, the lead of those countries could be changed. We are graciously allowed to know in the Internet that Freemasons were behind those revolutions, as well as the French Revolution and all other revolutions of those times, although we are also supposed to believe that this sect was born as a power opposed to the Church.


About Middle East countries is it not well known that US and Isreal have been working to put their puppets as dictators or presidents of those countries?
 
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Suchender

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......And then, some part of the carbon in the biosphere gets sequestered by falling to the bottom of the ocean, and trapped in sediments......
This sounds good, but is it true ?

Wouldn't this 'sequestered carbon' be eaten by living organisms befor it even reached the bottom ?

Why is the oil concentrated in 'pools' ?
What is the process behind this concentration ?
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......As the 4th actors, if the public believe like puppets the play orchestrated by 1), 2) and 3), the game is made: we will revert back to a middle age agrarian society.
About the question who is the 'elite' :

"...... I know what went on, because I saw it. I want others to have the same knowledge. During my public career I have received very definite impressions, and I am anxious to pass those impressions on to others. I want to do this because I believe that my country is in danger; I believe that the liberties of the American people are already well-nigh destroyed; I believe that we are moving forward to a crisis of immense significance to the future of the American people, and the ideas and ideals for which the United States has stood before the world. We are far along on the road to empire, and we are traveling faster towards that goal than any nation in history ever traveled..... "

In :
TRIUMPHANT PLUTOCRACY
The Story of American Public Life from 1879 to 1920
R. F. PETTIGREW
Formerly United States Senator from South Dakota

"..... I watched the power over public affairs shift from the weakened structure of republican pol itical machinery to the vigorous new busmess empire. Strong men who saw what was occurring no longer went into politics. Instead, they entered the field of industry, and with
them the seat of the government of the United States was shifted from Washington to Wall Street. With this shift, there disappeared from active public life those principles of republican government that I had learned to believe were the means of safeguarding liberty....."
 
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Jerry Russell

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So you think that Russia and China are independent actors from US? That they really pursue interests opposed to each other and that, if a war breaks, Russia and US, or China and US will really be antagonists and not pretending to be?

You seem to agree that Hitler and US were not really enemies in WWII, but they pretended to be, or at least you accept that possibility. Is it true?
Richard and I have been debating these questions for some time now. My opinion FWIW is that Russia and China are only poorly controlled by the Anglo-Americans. The people of those countries are strongly nationalistic, and the government can only go so far in pursuing treasonous policies that primarily benefit foreign powers. Russia was heavily infiltrated during the Yeltsin era, but Putin seems to have built a solid base in Russia which is in opposition to the Atlanticists. Both Russia and China would like to be integrated into the world economy, but the US is increasingly spitting on them, leaving them less reason to cooperate.

WWII is also a complicated case. It certainly looks like Hitler and Stalin were ultimately both tools of Anglo-American interests, smashing their countries against each other. But it's hard to say to what extent they were Western agents, vs. independent actors whose fate was shaped by forces beyond their control.

Then can you extend that possibility to Russia and China as well?
Supposing that I admit for the sake of argument, that Putin and Xi Jinping are mere agents of the true One World Empire. Nevertheless, when it comes to developing national oil resources, they need to rely on their petroleum engineers and scientists, who are much less likely to be "in" on the conspiracy. Such scientists & engineers are typical middle class Russian and Chinese citizens, not wealthy elite Illuminati insiders. And if those engineers & scientists are relying on a "false belief" about oil provenance, aren't they less likely to succeed in finding oil?

In fact there are academic departments teaching oil engineering, all over the world, that share the same tenets. They say that oil is found in "pools" (actually, porous deposits) in sedimentary rocks. Various technologies have been developed to find those pools, including gravitational, magnetic and seismic methods. Exploratory oil drills are expensive, so the payoff for successful non-invasive search methods is enormous.

Why is the oil concentrated in 'pools' ?
What is the process behind this concentration ?
So the first question: is it true, that oil is concentrated in pools? We agree that if one drills for oil outside of these pools, the well is probably going to come up dry?

If oil is abiotic, one still has to explain why the oil is found primarily in these pools. As I remember, Gold & Kenney agree that readily accessible oil occurs primarily in these porous sedimentary rocks, but they believe it seeps up from below in these locations. Why is that?

According to the "official story" of petroleum geology, specific conditions of ocean chemistry are required for deposits to form initially, and then more specific conditions of temperature & pressure must occur to convert decaying organic matter deposits into coal or petroleum.

The paper by Hook, Bardi, Feng & Pang linked above, emphasizes the point that regardless of which theory of origins is correct, either way the supply of petroleum in these underground pools is limited. Old oils fields get depleted & aren't refilled.
 
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Richard Stanley

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So the first question: is it true, that oil is concentrated in pools? We agree that if one drills for oil outside of these pools, the well is probably going to come up dry?

If oil is abiotic, one still has to explain why the oil is found primarily in these pools. As I remember, Gold & Kenney agree that readily accessible oil occurs primarily in these porous sedimentary rocks, but they believe it seeps up from below in these locations. Why is that?
The claim for abiotic synthesis is that this occurs only at the great pressures and heat found at great geological depths. This is why the Soviets were drilling wells to such great depths. This is why the claim that such oil slowly seeks lower pressure regimes found in higher sedimentary rock, where it becomes pooled, because it is paradoxically trapped by overlaying non-sedimentary rock.

There is also the hyposthesis that such abiotic oil becomes contaminated by contact with decaying organic material over long periods of time. Thus coal is such organic material that did not have such contact.

But, yes, the big question becomes the rate of replacement production versus our rate of use.
 
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