Was Akhenaten Moses ... and even more?

Charles Watkins

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I've been rummaging through old threads and came to this one, which hits on a favorite topic of mine. I've read most all of the books on the topic and have pretty much been convinced that Moses and Akhenaton could have been the same person. For a good proof, one would need to show correspondences in their life stories, which would include Moses' sojourn in Midian.

This brings me to one of the fascinating characters in this epic, Reuel (Jethro) who introduced our boy to Yahweh. Though he was high priest of the Midians, Reuel was supposedly a Kenite, a peculiar group of nomadic metalsmith/musicians said to be descended from Cain. As the original followers of Yahweh, they were given a place in the Promised Land and seem to have melted into the population. I would be very interested to know more of their origins, their metallurgy and music, and their adoption of Yahweh.

Rand Flem-Ath, the Atlantis/Antarctica guy, has published THE MURDER OF MOSES: HOW AN EGYPTIAN MAGICIAN ASSASSINATED MOSES, STOLE HIS IDENTITY, AND HIJACKED THE EXODUS. This is 90% speculation, but a heck of a yarn. He gives a fascinating account of the ancient use of masks and puppetry to perpetrate a god-hoax. Most of the maneuvers of Reuel as Moses make sense even if there was no impersonation.

I'd also like to mention OEDIPUS AND AKHENATON by Immanuel Velikovsky, the book that first drew me into this. He suggests that the Royal Court of Amarna was the true setting for Oedipus dramas. It's racy fun to project his mapping of the players to the family of Moses.
 

Jerry Russell

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Hi Charles, thanks for the info.

Our view is that the name Yahweh seems to be of Canaanite origin, and may have come from the Kenites or Midianites or other tribes living south of Israel and Judaea. But it was adopted by the Egyptians, perhaps because of its similarity to the Egyptian words Yahu-Dueh meaning adoration, prayer or homage. This same root is the name of an Egyptian priesthood, the Yahud.

But theologically, the god Yahweh represents the Egyptian god Seth. When the Egyptians invented the Jewish religion as a propaganda tool to control the Canaanites, the conflation of the name Yahweh onto the god Seth was part of the identity scam.

The contents of this thread was eventually morphed into our front-page article at this link:

https://postflaviana.org/exodus-aten-bomb/
 

Charles Watkins

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I just finished Aten Bomb and want to say how much I enjoyed the whole series. I'm amazed to find others with this interest and awed that you and Richard are so far along. For the past couple of weeks, I've been absolutely devouring this material. I haven't gotten into the politics, but suspect we're quite sympatico. I hope you don't mind my dredging up old threads, but From Cleo is getting pretty long and wandery.

As I understand, Yah was junior to Baal in the Canaanite pantheon and corresponded to Dionysus as well as Seth. Yah was popular as a war god with various peoples that had come into the Levant as he was easy to 'syncretize' with their tribal gods. Evidently, there came a transition with the old god El retiring in favor of Baal with Yah moving up into the secondary role. This would make Yah a good vehicle for an outside agency looking to take over. If Yah merged with El, then Baal would be outflanked.

I've been reading Margaret Barker's THE GREAT ANGEL: A STUDY OF ISRAEL'S SECOND GOD, where she looks at all the manifestations of God in early Jewish sources. Her conclusion is that they saw a great creator God ruling above and an emissary God who descended to earth. El (Elyon) was the supreme god of heaven, while Yah was his presence below. Yah was often seen as having male and female sides. The returning Deuteronomists brought back a singular male deity and attempted to enforce it on the population, but a separate Yah persisted in a messianic undercurrent into the Christian era.

If the takeover is coming from the displaced Yahuds of Egypt, then they are going to need a replacement for Aton. (I think these are the religious masterminds Barbiero is calling the family of Moses.) Where do they obtain bonafides as Yahwists? From Reuel, the Kenite priest of Midian. They can now sheep-dip Joshua as the army of Yah and proceed with the conquest. Soon we encounter Melchizedek, another mysterious foreigner with a special relationship with Yah.

You make a good case for a veiled elite utilizing religion to take power. I think we can see it clearly in these events and again in the launch of Christianity. What are your thoughts about their origins? Could this be a global elite, a remnant of an early high civilization?
 

Richard Stanley

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Rand Flem-Ath, the Atlantis/Antarctica guy, has published THE MURDER OF MOSES: HOW AN EGYPTIAN MAGICIAN ASSASSINATED MOSES, STOLE HIS IDENTITY, AND HIJACKED THE EXODUS. This is 90% speculation, but a heck of a yarn. He gives a fascinating account of the ancient use of masks and puppetry to perpetrate a god-hoax. Most of the maneuvers of Reuel as Moses make sense even if there was no impersonation.

I'd also like to mention OEDIPUS AND AKHENATON by Immanuel Velikovsky, the book that first drew me into this. He suggests that the Royal Court of Amarna was the true setting for Oedipus dramas. It's racy fun to project his mapping of the players to the family of Moses.
I am a big fan of the Flem-Ath Atlantis / pole shift theory, but this magician assassin theory seems a reach to me, given all the monkey business that went on in the 18th and 19th Dynasties.

For our discussions on Velikovsky's Oedipus:
https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?search/3138/&q=Oedipus&c[users]=Richard+Stanley&o=date
But theologically, the god Yahweh represents the Egyptian god Seth. When the Egyptians invented the Jewish religion as a propaganda tool to control the Canaanites, the conflation of the name Yahweh onto the god Seth was part of the identity scam.
Theologically, especially in moral terms, compared to Seth's relationship to Osirus and Horus, and thus the later Satan.

It's also important to realize that archaeology has revealed that Yahweh communities were interspersed peacefully amongst other Canaanite 'Ba'al' communities for a significant period of time, because the actual transitional process wasn't exactly how the Bible wanted us to believe.
I hope you don't mind my dredging up old threads, but From Cleo is getting pretty long and wandery.
Yes, Berbers, Basques and other current life issues have gotten me off track. Hopefully I'll get that back on track soon.
As I understand, Yah was junior to Baal in the Canaanite pantheon and corresponded to Dionysus as well as Seth. Yah was popular as a war god with various peoples that had come into the Levant as he was easy to 'syncretize' with their tribal gods. Evidently, there came a transition with the old god El retiring in favor of Baal with Yah moving up into the secondary role. This would make Yah a good vehicle for an outside agency looking to take over. If Yah merged with El, then Baal would be outflanked.
Generally yes. It's interesting that El represented the Father in Heaven relationship to his various earthly sons and daughters. As such, the process of distilling things down to El and Yahweh ... and eventually the two becoming equated in the various OT 'doublets', seems to me to be very similar to Jesus being the Son on Earth to his Heavenly Father (Yahweh/El).

And so, yes, I generally think this is how Ba'al and his other siblings got aced out. The Canaanite sea god, Yam, of course, merely got reduced in status through clever literary means. And, in becoming a sweet potato I guess. :rolleyes:
I've been reading Margaret Barker's THE GREAT ANGEL: A STUDY OF ISRAEL'S SECOND GOD, where she looks at all the manifestations of God in early Jewish sources. Her conclusion is that they saw a great creator God ruling above and an emissary God who descended to earth. El (Elyon) was the supreme god of heaven, while Yah was his presence below. Yah was often seen as having male and female sides. The returning Deuteronomists brought back a singular male deity and attempted to enforce it on the population, but a separate Yah persisted in a messianic undercurrent into the Christian era.
Yes, this is a good book. Here's what we said:

The gradual transition of religious form can also be seen when reading the Old Testament, or Tanakh. The oldest texts acknowledge the existence of all the polytheistic gods, but the focus gradually shifts jealously to the ‘one’ real god, confusingly known by several names. The plural elohim were originally part of the wider Canaanite pantheon. Yahweh was possibly a rank outsider, mirroring Abraham’s insinuation into Canaan. (For more on Judaic polytheism, also see Margaret Barker, The Great Angel: A Study of Israel’s Second God). The rise to the top by this junior sibling god is echoed in the Judaic narratives of Jacob and Joseph, among others. These were younger brothers who also arose to prominence, defying cultural norms of primogeniture.
The triumphs of younger brothers like Jacob and Joseph may also be taken as a metaphor for the otherwise odd (fictive) rise of Israel and Judea. In reality, the two regions had been relative backwaters and vassals to their much more powerful neighbors. While some might see this as something akin to a divine version of The Beverly Hillbillies, where the anointing ‘oil’ of God was bestowed on seemingly unlikely beneficiaries, we rather see it as further evidence of elite human planning. From the failed Amarna experiment, the elites learned that the imposition of monotheism was not a quick and easy thing. Thus, Palestine’s circumstances and geographical positioning (in the politically convenient middle of nowhere) was ideal for such a project.

If the takeover is coming from the displaced Yahuds of Egypt, then they are going to need a replacement for Aton. (I think these are the religious masterminds Barbiero is calling the family of Moses.) Where do they obtain bonafides as Yahwists? From Reuel, the Kenite priest of Midian. They can now sheep-dip Joshua as the army of Yah and proceed with the conquest. Soon we encounter Melchizedek, another mysterious foreigner with a special relationship with Yah.
Yes, and the Aton is craftily honored as Adonai. Yes, these may indeed be Barbiero's 'family' of Moses, more loosely speaking that what seemed to be Barbiero's more literal appearing take. This priesthood would have eventually dispersed amongst the Canaanites, acting as political agents provocateur (neocons and neoliberals :eek:), likely helping to foment the collapse of the Late Bronze Age.

This is also what happened with the Jesuits in the immediate years before the American Revolution, when the Jesuits were 'disestablished' by the Church. They became disbursed into the French Grand Orient Freemasonry, the Bavarian Illuminati, and made alliance with the American Protestant colonists cum revolutionaries (as the enemy of my enemy is my friend). Then after ~40 years in the metaphorical Wilderness they were restored to the good graces of the Church.
You make a good case for a veiled elite utilizing religion to take power. I think we can see it clearly in these events and again in the launch of Christianity. What are your thoughts about their origins? Could this be a global elite, a remnant of an early high civilization?
Yes, it is my opinion that all of this represents a continuous thread, and that the growing evidence is now undeniable that at least one prior global civilization existed and was knocked back to the stone age. Mainstrean Science is now admitting that 'modern' humans have existed for at least 300K years, so what were they up to, besides acting like boorish cavemen?
 

Seeker

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Yes, it is my opinion that all of this represents a continuous thread
Starting with the Jesuits and working back through time, I found the late Tupper Saussy had the hypothesis that Jesuit Founder Inigo de Loyola received the Knights Templar resources from the Knights Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem (later the Knights of Malta) in 1523, after becoming an "Illuminati" member, with both of these groups, along with the Rosicrucians, Teutonic Knights, Scottish Rite Freemasonry, and Knights of Christ having carried on from the "dissolved" Templars of 1312. Going by other accounts, the Templars themselves are supposed to have split off from the Priory of Sion in 1188, which was founded by the Crusader "King" Godfrey de Bouillon, also a de Vere, according to Nicholas de Vere, and descended from Charlemagne, the Merovingians, Roman Emperors, Jesus, and ultimately the red-haired Egyptian Pharaohs and their Yehud/Mosaic priesthood (all of them "real players"). The Pharaohs supposedly descend from Atlantis and the Annunaki, who after coming here in 432,000 BC had genetically engineered a new hybrid race with the prehistoric inhabitants of Earth, who then mined gold for them, but some of those "gods of creation" later found these workers unsatisfactory (boorish cavemen?) and let most of them be destroyed when a Great Flood arrived, while they fled to safety, leaving Noah and his sons to literally "inherit the earth". Or something like that.
 
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Charles Watkins

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Probing further into the origins of Atonism, I see that Akhenaton was raised in the Delta region, away from Thebes. As the second son of Amenhotep III by the great lady Tiye, he was sequestered away from the palace intrigues until his brother died and he became the heir. Amenhotep had gifted Tiye with a pleasure lake and palace in the land of her ancestors. No doubt, Tiye made sure he had the best tutors who instilled in him his love of Aton. He is a creature of Tiye's ambitions, playing out under her brother Ay.

However, Tiye and Ay were children of the mysterious Yuya, along with another brother Anen. Yuya is supposed to have come from Akhmim in the south, but this comes just from a reference to the local fish god Mim. (Interestingly, Akhmim also had a temple devoted to Perseus.) Perhaps Yuya was not from Akhmim, but from the Delta area, Hyksos territory.

Marrying into the royal family, Tiye introduced a new bloodline into what had been a matrilineal succession. By all rights, Amenhotep should have married a sister or niece. It is possible Tiye was so attractive, or Yuya was so influential, that precedent was set aside, but it could also be that she represented a different branch of the same imperial bloodline.

Now Osman, among others, argues that Yuya was the Biblical Joseph. In Joseph's family, that bloodline would have been carried by Dinah, the comely lass at the center of the Shechem saga. She's the daughter of Leah, and there is a midrash that says Dinah was born male and somehow changed to a female to avoid the wrath of Jacob. She ends up a ward of Simeon and has a son named, um, Saul. Joseph's sons Manasseh and Ephraim could be Anen and Ay, but where is Tiye? Might she be Dinah? (This is not an original thought, but I can't run it down. I seem to recall some speculation about Dinah in Domain of Man, but Pope's search is not working.)

Now Atonism is usually lauded for its introduction of monotheism, though as was observed in Aton Bomb it started as henotheism with Aton merely the top dog. The move to strict monotheism could be a political response to opposition by the old guard. I think the more important innovation was the ban on divine images, the animal headed gods we see on the temple walls. Akhenaton even had these removed from the heiroglyphic alphabet. The only remaining divine image was the omnipresent disk of the sun. (And if one stares at the sun disk, one becomes dazzled and enters an altered state of consciousness, so worshipers would experience the touch of the Aton.) Akhenaton also banned the use of blood sacrifice and magic spells, which further undermined the mainstays of the traditional religion. As I mentioned elsewhere, the priesthood had long used animated statues and images to deceive worshipers through masks, puppetry, and prestidigitation.

Atonism is introduced as a new form of Ra worship, still a solar cult with similar invocations. Amehotep's Ra priesthood would have converted to Atonism and formed the base of the Yahuds. Aaron might have been the Ra high priest. As Akhenaton built and populated Amarna, he would have brought in kindred from the Delta. I think Akhenaton may have been the devoted Atonist he appears to be, but mainly a figurehead for Ay.

So rather than being religious revolution as it is often portrayed, Atonism was a political vehicle for takeover by a foreign elite. We see that same move from henothesim to strict monotheism in the reformulated Judiasm returning from the captivity. It was a devised construct that enabled its masters to dispose of inconvenient rivals, while preparing to seize absolute authority as the personification of the singular god.
 

Seeker

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when the Jesuits were 'disestablished' by the Church.
It looks as though now that the Jesuits are "disestablishing" the Church in turn, going by the remarks of Jesuit Superior General Arturo Susa, who has been quoted as saying that (1) the Gospel was "written by human beings", (2) "We have formed symbolic figures such as the devil to express evil. Social conditioning can also represent this figure", and (3) "the pope is not the chief of the Church, he's the Bishop of Rome". Truth in plain sight, how much more honest can he be? It reminds me of the story about Tupper Saussy being allowed to write and have published so many copies of "Rulers of Evil" because there was a unwritten protocol among the "Rulers of Evil" allowing this, and this is why on the inside back cover his photo is placed within the sign of Anu, to show that he was protected. Also remember that Adolf Hitler wrote and had published "Mein Kampf", where he told the world exactly what he was going to do, but no one listened, but they had been warned. Unknowingly, could "Postflaviana' be allowed to write and publicize under the "All-Seeing Eye" of the Internet for the same reason?
 

Richard Stanley

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Starting with the Jesuits and working back through time, I found the late Tupper Saussy had the hypothesis that Jesuit Founder Inigo de Loyola received the Knights Templar resources from the Knights Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem (later the Knights of Malta) in 1523, after becoming an "Illuminati" member, with both of these groups, along with the Rosicrucians, Teutonic Knights, Scottish Rite Freemasonry, and Knights of Christ having carried on from the "dissolved" Templars of 1312. Going by other accounts, the Templars themselves are supposed to have split off from the Priory of Sion in 1188, which was founded by the Crusader "King" Godfrey de Bouillon, also a de Vere, according to Nicholas de Vere, and descended from Charlemagne, the Merovingians, Roman Emperors, Jesus, and ultimately the red-haired Egyptian Pharaohs and their Yehud/Mosaic priesthood (all of them "real players").
All of that 'history' should be conditioned by such that it appears that the Hyksos phenomenon and its 'resolution' seems likely to be a merger (hostile takeover (or the appearance of such) / cuckolding ...) somewhat similar to what later took place with the Ptolemids. The so-called Hyksos shepherd (saba)-kings likely were not of the same Semitic stock as their 'operative' shepherding nomads - possibly and sardonically being Arya (consistent with DeVere's claim). If Abraham is really an Arya name, it would indicate 'not Brahman' and possibly reflective of the Persian / Indian moral inversion and schism, and outflow of the apocalyptic collapse of the IVC.

I listened to the following yesterday, and he discusses the collapse of the Bronze Age, as I do, in apocalyptic terms. Imagine the similarity of the later Sea Peoples tribes with the Hyksos, being displaced by a combination of famine and geopolitical machinations, of which their human shepherds take advantage to reposition themselves, continuing their lineal prerogatives, perhaps transplanting themselves root and branch. Doing so as the global climate ever shifts.

Once Ramesses XI dies, his more important cousins have long before moved to parts north, under different, more culturally appropriate names, literally merged with other royal bloodlines.


It is also important to realize the manner in which various organizations functioned in terms of memberships. For instance, the Templar knights consisted of the younger sons of the nobility. The later freemasons once consisted mostly of gentry and nobility. Interestingly, I just read a typical Ellis digression about the confusing use of the term Illuminati, which I'm guessing was introduced and employed for just such effect. The 'real players' are more than happy for the term to point to other convenient targets.

Unknowingly, could "Postflaviana' be allowed to write and publicize under the "All-Seeing Eye" of the Internet for the same reason?
We are safe as long as most 'know' that we are just kooks.
So rather than being religious revolution as it is often portrayed, Atonism was a political vehicle for takeover by a foreign elite. We see that same move from henothesim to strict monotheism in the reformulated Judiasm returning from the captivity. It was a devised construct that enabled its masters to dispose of inconvenient rivals, while preparing to seize absolute authority as the personification of the singular god.
Yes, some people today might call it a psy-op.
 

Jerry Russell

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Yes, it is my opinion that all of this represents a continuous thread, and that the growing evidence is now undeniable that at least one prior global civilization existed and was knocked back to the stone age.
If the evidence was really undeniable, then the question wouldn't be so hotly debated. The pyramids are sometimes cited as evidence of an ancient civilization, but at this thread I contended that their construction was very feasible using technology available to ancient Egyptians.

Rick just recently posted this other thread about Graham Hancock's new book. Rick and I have been debating about Graham Hancock's ideas since long before we launched this website, without ever reaching any agreement. Watching this video of Hancock's lecture is on my "to do" list.

Unknowingly, could "Postflaviana' be allowed to write and publicize under the "All-Seeing Eye" of the Internet for the same reason?
I think that what we're doing is sufficiently obscure and esoteric, that it's unlikely we're on anyone's radar. And, there are literally millions of people publishing views on Facebook and Twitter and other Internet sites, that are more troublesome than we are.

So far, all attempts to censor the Internet are failing pretty dramatically IMO. Folks like Alex Jones have no doubt suffered some temporary setback from being banned at YouTube and all the other major social media sites. But they're still able to publish, and I expect at some point the Streisand effect will kick in. That is, the more the PTB try to censor some content, the more the Internet will simply route around the damage, and the more attractive the forbidden fruit will appear.

As for "publicizing", we haven't really ever made any attempt. I'm not sure how we would go about building our audience. And we would love to be famous, and make a difference in the world.

But in truth, as the webmaster of the site: I'm more motivated by curiosity and the pleasure of understanding, than I am by any hope that the oncoming apocalypse can be averted.
 

Seeker

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(1) So you don't believe that the PTB control the Internet, as they seem to control everything else, and that "the Internet will simply route around the damage"?
(2) "I'm more motivated by curiosity and the pleasure of understanding". Ditto.
(3) Do you also believe "that the oncoming apocalypse" will occur 2066-2070?
 

Jerry Russell

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(1) So you don't believe that the PTB control the Internet, as they seem to control everything else, and that "the Internet will simply route around the damage"?
I don't believe that the PTB control "everything else", either. Nor do I believe that the PTB are monolithic: they engage in competitive activities and factionalism, as well as frequent bouts of cooperation. Rick usually doesn't agree with me.

With the recent end to net neutrality, and DARPA planning to use AI robots to scan the web looking for "fake news" and "disinformation", the situation could change.

(3) Do you also believe "that the oncoming apocalypse" will occur 2066-2070?
I think it would be amazing if we make it that far.

Since we are talking about ancient elites, let me point you to Miles Mathis' series on Spookery.
See this thread, beginning at post #20: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/ot-series-takeaways-so-far.1335/post-11196
 

Charles Watkins

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Jerry, the link in the article on the pyramids gives me a 404 error.

I'm always ready to read theories on pyramid construction -- there are quite a few of these, you know. One that's gotten attention recently is the internal ramp theory by Jean-Pierre Houdin https://www.realmofhistory.com/2016/03/06/animated-documentary-shows-great-pyramid-construction/ As to the purpose of the Great Pyramid, check out Christopher Dunn's The Giza Power Plant. Or Joseph Farrell's Giza Death Star.

There's a lot more discuss about the pyramids than what's in your short article. For example, isn't it odd that they aren't in the Bible?
 

Jerry Russell

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Jerry, the link in the article on the pyramids gives me a 404 error.
What we need is a robot that would search for dead links on the site and try to fix them. Unfortunately, the target was probably removed because of copyright issues. It's been purged from archive.org. The article was "Building the Great Pyramid in 385 Days: A Case Study in Energy Management" by Gerard Fonte. The current links (all paywalled in one way or another) are:

https://ascelibrary.org/doi/10.1061/40754(183)64

https://ascelibrary.org/doi/10.1061/(ASCE)CO.1943-7862.0000633

https://amzn.to/2ObCqAX

There's a lot more discuss about the pyramids than what's in your short article. For example, isn't it odd that they aren't in the Bible?
Ralph Ellis in Tempest & Exodus said that when Moses went up Mt. Sinai to get the Ten Commandments, he was really walking up the side of the Great Pyramid.
 

Richard Stanley

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The great pyramid dating is dependent upon some highly dubious (as to a forged provenance) construction scribbling. The Sphinx is much more definitive, unless one asks an Egyptologist, as to clear evidence of significant water erosion. Such a level of water erosion is not even possible during the First Dynasty, when wall art from even then depicts flora and fauna not possible there for thousands of years now.
Atonism is introduced as a new form of Ra worship, still a solar cult with similar invocations. Amehotep's Ra priesthood would have converted to Atonism and formed the base of the Yahuds. Aaron might have been the Ra high priest. As Akhenaton built and populated Amarna, he would have brought in kindred from the Delta. I think Akhenaton may have been the devoted Atonist he appears to be, but mainly a figurehead for Ay.

So rather than being religious revolution as it is often portrayed, Atonism was a political vehicle for takeover by a foreign elite. We see that same move from henothesim to strict monotheism in the reformulated Judiasm returning from the captivity. It was a devised construct that enabled its masters to dispose of inconvenient rivals, while preparing to seize absolute authority as the personification of the singular god.
It is important to remember that Amun-Ra was a previous merger of two prior domestic (solar) entities, so these priests and other elites, even internal to Egypt, understood the process.

And, it was Amenhotep III himself that had started the campaign of antagonism with the powerful priesthood of Amun-Ra, before the cult of Aton began. The culture war that developed and lead to the apocalyptic meltdown provided a nice pretext for the court and priesthood of Amarna to depart for the 'Wilderness', likely the comfortable confines of the Petra region IMHO. With the destruction of the Canaanite city-states, this exiled Yahud priesthood is in perfect position to insinuate itself into urban power vacuum of the 48 largest cities ... only now known as the Levites.

In Robert Feather's The Copper Scroll, he makes a good case for that the treasure list on the scroll actually being references to hidden caches of money and such at the rapidly abandoned city of Amarna and not a list of Jewish treasure from the Jewish War. This is yet another linkage of such as the Essenes to original Egypto-Judaism.

In my discussion of the Sabbah brothers' Secrets of the Exodus they strongly imply that 18th Dynasty generals Seti I and Horemheb (future 19th Dynasty pharaohs) play leaders of the smaller, post-Hyksos, exodus when out in the field, while later becoming 'good' pharaohs back at home. As such, there were not being treasonous, but rather performing their covert roles. Such is cryptically referenced by having Jacob wrestle with God all night long, whereby the outcome is that Jacob becomes 'Israel'. Israel is thus created by the covert fiat of Egypt. Such is why Akhenaton refused to send aid to his Canaanite vassals, to help protect them from such as the 'Apiru'.

Maybe Akhenaton was a 'true-believer', used by his father and Ay, or maybe he was just playing his role. His mummy has never been found (like Moses), and I think it may be possible that he went to the Hidden Resort of the day, either Petra and/or back to his maternal side kin of the Mittani.
 

Tito101

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Could "Iah" (pronounced Yah) the ancient moon god have anything to do with Yahu?

I would think the solar (Aten and previously Amun) worshippers would have persecuted the moon worshippers. It's interesting to note overall the moon god (Iah) strikes at the Egyptians at night prior to exodus.
 

Richard Stanley

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Hi Tito, welcome to Postflaviana.

I think that somewhere on the forum we have discussed the moon aspect, and yes I think that it may indeed be related. The problem in creating a new monotheistic schema is that one must select one aspect, or name at least, over another or many others. The Jews retained such as the lunar calendar, but there are also various remnants of prior solar worship.
I would think the solar (Aten and previously Amun) worshippers would have persecuted the moon worshippers.
I think that the most important question (using our specific lens of analysis) is what was the primary goal? Was it to create a new and unique exoteric religion for whatever purpose and/or whatever name, or to advance a specific god (in this case of the Sun) because there are true believers that must be satisfied? Whatever the case, such as the Sun could still be worshiped by the elites, at least, in an esoteric manner. There were complaints of such going on in the Temple (or Tabernacle?) confines.

It is our thesis, under the Genesis of the False Dialectic (Jews versus Gentiles) of Western Civilization, that Judaism was synthesized almost 100% as a inversion of prior cultural practices and laws (the 613 Mosaic Laws minus the 10 Commandments) and the moral inversions (from the Mesopotamian corpus) in the Genesis creation mythos. It is our thesis that Judaism was cynically created, for among other reasons, to act as a useful foil for geo-political purposes, and it remains so till today as discussed by James Carroll in his Constantine's Sword. To wit, Catholic theology and the papacy (until JPII) has overtly stated that the Jews are needed as just such useful foils for Christianity, therefore, please don't kill them all. It's all an advanced form of "divide and conquer".

With the advent of Xianity, the lunar and solar aspects become somewhat more openly reunited, albeit still esoteric. See depictions of the crucifiction with the Sun and the Moon, also mimicking depictions on the typical tauroctonies of Mithraism.

Look at all the ya-mmering that goes on by such as those mostly from Catholic cultural traditions about the evil Freemasons, all the while there is so much pagano-masonic symbolism throughout the Vatican and their churches. This is where the prior elite system goes into a 'quiet' submergence from those without eyes to see.

Why would anyone go to such trouble? Well, one reason might be that hiding behind such artificial cat fights enables the elites of Egypt and such to move north, into Europe, evading climate change. It is with this same 18th Dynasty that Egypt begins to become imperialist in military adventurism, and in the 19th Dynasty that Egypt solely survives the collapse of the Late Bronze Age, with the help of its proxies, such as the Danoi.
 

Seeker

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Just from memory, I seem to recall, from reading Rosicrucian literature, that Thutmose III and Akhenaten of the 18th Dynasty were major figures in their traditional history, and also that the Rosicrucians are supposed to have alternate cycles of 108 years of activity and 108 years of dormancy. I wonder if they were going into a "quiet submergence" period even way back then, if any of this is true?
 
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