TV and Film Typology Database

[Craig_Bickford]

I'd Like to start this thread to post potential pop-culture and media programming for investigation. Now I understand that one could go hogwild here grabbing every single reference and perceived symbolic relationship, engaging in pareidola or apophenia, to fill up a thread on a forum like this into infinity with potential examples of typology in modern television and film media. I think that's definitely something we need to guard ourselves against doing. However since I become aware of the system of typology and symbolism being used presumably by some high level oligarchical cliques within our society, and the idea of transferring concepts (some of which are high-level concepts) through literature art and film , as well as the technique of intra/intertextual parallelism, I'm starting to see a lot of things in science-fiction fantasy media that I would've written off before as just creativeness and or the borrowing of ideas.

Now one quick disclaimer; Since I'm only have a very new understanding of typology and everything connected with it, I'm in no way going to try to put forward my analysis as anything worthwhile at this point. I think I clearly need to get a better grasp on how this works and that starts by reading Joes books (reading Caesar's Messiah right now) and the articles he publishes with Jerry and other people on this website before I can get an accurate understanding of how typology works. Another thing I need to do is to read Joe's third book coming out in this year about typology itself specifically. That being said I think I have a few examples that people might want to check out to see if they're worth further examination in the context of a typological analysis.

Now there's two ways you can do this I suppose. One would be to just throw the names up here and let people go and view or analyse them in their free time. The second way I think would be to throw in some data from the media question. This way maybe with the second method we could have some idea of whether there is any potential for spending time looking at the media in question or make a value judgment on whether some media might have more potential then other media listed there.

Also I'm not sure this thread should be used for any kind of longform analysis. Maybe if people are interested they could set up alternate threads for each of the subject/topic TV, film or media in question, but it seems like this thread should probably just be kind of database for listing potential media for analysis.

Lastly I just want to make sure this is within the spirit of what Joe, Jerry and the other contributors that work on this website wanted to do. I believe this is what I have heard them call for over and over again on their RBN radio show, specifically listener and reader contributions and investigation. So hopefully this is in the spirit of that request, and I am not taking any liberties with this forum. Happy hunting folks.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

My first proposal for investigation would be the SyFy network TV show Helix.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_(TV_series)

Now on the face of it there's some pretty obvious fingerprints of oligarchical archetypes in the show in my opinion, specifically the fact that there is a corporation named Ilaria ( a very secretive corporate entity with seemingly endless funding and resources ) that is doing viral and microbiological/biowarfare research in the Antarctic with potentially nefarious goals (genocide and population control). That is season one, which I have not really thought about or reviewed again to look for typological connections , I'm mostly noticing some pretty weird symbolism in season two of this television show which aired several months ago (I just got around to watching it recently as I had it recorded on my DVR). The basic conceit of the show is that some massive level 4, highly dangerous pathogenic outbreak takes place, and a very specialized CDC team made up of shows protagonists shows up to deal with it.

Season two deals with an island cut off from civilization that hosts a cult that is potentially been around for several hundred years. Now to understand the dynamic longevity of this cult you need to understand that there is a concept in the television show Helix of immortal people. This was first recognized in season one with some of the Ilaria directors being discovered as immortals, and in season two the person who leads the cult on the island is one of these immortals who for whatever reason has been separated from the rest of the immortals on earth for very long time. I want to mention here that I have somewhat of a subscriber to a concept that a writer named Thomas Sheridan has put forth, that entities in folklore and fairytale like this may actually just be metaphors for psychopaths. Just throwing that little co concept out there not as a non-sequitur but to let you know where my analysis might be going in the future with the show.

So specifically some of things I noticed this season that caught my attention were the island itself, a cult, and the fact that the whole show has this immortal oligarch element behind-the-scenes pulling levers and manipulating everyone and everything. Now this island has an Edenic feel to it . There is a tree called 'mother', which appears to be very similar to one of the trees in the garden of Eden story . This tree provides some sort of biological material that allows the cult on the island to do a lot of different things such as advanced plant splicing and breeding, human genetic manipulation, and it can also mitigate the effects of a mycotoxin that has caused a lot of problems for the cult on the island.

There is also a Cain and Abel dynamic between two brothers who are prominent characters on this television show, and this dynamic seems to be playing out right alongside that type of script or typology in the second season, which leads me back to a relationship to the progenitor humans in the Old Testament in Genesis with the children of Adam and Eve. And I said I wasn't gonna going to typological analysis here I was just going to list examples, but some of the examples need to be explained in the context obviously otherwise it just sounds like someone just posting random anecdotes or randomize connections between character types and events and what not . So I guess I am doing a type of limited analysis by providing examples here so that I can understand where I'm coming from , especially if you don't have any background with the television show itself.

There is also very heavy-handed and prevalent use of the concept of drugs, hallucinogenics and other manipulated biochemical substances to control human beings. This has been used several times to my knowledge throughout the course of the second season to directly manipulate people's minds and have them do things that they would not normally do. Then there is a lot of references to eugenics themes like blood, heredity, breeding , fertility, and of course one of the main background themes of the protagonists and protagonist groups in the show is that of biology and virology which all leads me in the direction of genealogy, eugenics and the concepts behind eugenic social engineering .

There is also an element of social engineering on the micro and macro level, as well as genocide on the micro and macro level. This seems to be displayed with the ideas and plans of Ilaria versus the island cult, and Ilaria's plans for genocide versus the cult's plan to kill everyone on the island when the experiment didn't work out towards the end of season two. This genocide aspect is also reflected apparently with the a Ilaria security force's decision to go ahead and sterilize the whole island when it look like there was no way to contain the virus on the island.

So there's a lot of work with here. I guess the only question is whether any of it makes any sense typologically or in the context of oligarchical manipulation in the media. I think there's something going on with this TV show kind of like some of the other shows that have been comeing out recently. One that would mention is Utopia, a BBC show that came out a few years ago. I'm not sure if this stuff meets the bar for predictive programming, but it at the very least it is very suspicious.

 

[Jerry Russell]

I believe this is what I have heard them call for over and over again on their RBN radio show, specifically listener and reader contributions and investigation.

Yes, this is what we were hoping would happen with the website, the RBN radio podcasts, and the forum: that we would start to grow a movement made up of individuals who would like to carry on this analysis. There's a lot of work to be done.

Of course, ultimately, we would also like to see these ideas translated into political action. But, there's a lot of consciousness-raising that needs to take place first.

We've been concentrating on historical material, from biblical times to Shakespeare to JD Salinger. But there's a flood of new material coming out all the time. We've discussed just a little bit on the podcasts: for example, computer games, or the Z-Nation show that we discussed yesterday. Between the two of us (Joe and I) we've only watched one episode of that show. There's a whole season of it, and another season coming.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

Have you guys looked at The Walking Dead ? I've seen the Z-nation show and it's pretty horrible, it's basically B movie garbage. I tried watching it and it just wasn't even up to my standards for drama, so to me it's really painful to watch stuff like that. The Walking Dead at least has some pretty good stories and drama behind it and some pretty well-thought-out characters, even if it does have some obvious genocidal typology in it. The Walking Dead also has some pretty obvious biblical connections to with characters names, with places etc. I'm not saying the Z-nation isn't worth looking at, but it's at least from my perspective being involved with viewing this kind of material for years, it's an attempt to cash in on the zombie craze it's going on and it doesn't have a lot in the way of quality behind it .

While this would appeal to some viewers and you could get some messages across in the way that we're discussing with typological narrative, it just comes down to the fact of which one has more viewers in my mind. Last time I knew the largest walking dead season opener got 17 million viewers. I don't think Z-nation has any kind of viewership like that at all, so that's another reason why I might persuade people to take a look at The Walking Dead before I take a look at Z-nation although in defensive what you guys are trying to do I can see where they're both just different off shoots of the same branch so to speak, the branch of horror media being used to inject genocidal typology into culture.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

Then there's the video game H1Z1 which was a recent addition to the MMO survival horror market for PCs and soon on consoles. Then we have got the classic Day Z which was a mod to the Arma III game for PC survival horror, we've also got the war Z which recently had to change their name because a lawsuit with Sony international, and there's a few others in the works for the interactive massive multiplayer online survival horror zombie games. So it's become well entrenched in the video game online world as well and it's going pretty strong .

 

[Craig_Bickford]

I should have titled this TV film and video game typology database. I'm not really sure how to change titles of threads or if that's even possible, but I guess we'll just go ahead and include video games and any other media in this list as well ?

 

[Craig_Bickford]

Yes, this is what we were hoping would happen with the website, the RBN radio podcasts, and the forum: that we would start to grow a movement made up of individuals who would like to carry on this analysis. There's a lot of work to be done.

Of course, ultimately, we would also like to see these ideas translated into political action. But, there's a lot of consciousness-raising that needs to take place first.

We've been concentrating on historical material, from biblical times to Shakespeare to JD Salinger. But there's a flood of new material coming out all the time. We've discussed just a little bit on the podcasts: for example, computer games, or the Z-Nation show that we discussed yesterday. Between the two of us (Joe and I) we've only watched one episode of that show. There's a whole season of it, and another season coming.

It's always good just to doublecheck.

 

[Jerry Russell]

I haven't seen "The Walking Dead", but agree that the level of production quality & the audience size might influence what we choose to look at.

"Game of Thrones" might be worth looking at, based on Barack Obama's tweeted self-portrait sitting on the Iron Throne of the "Westeros Wing":

http://www.infowars.com/white-house-releases-image-depicting-obama-as-game-of-thrones-king/

The White House tweeted out an image of Barack Obama depicted as a king from Game of Thrones, a gag that cuts a little too close to the bone for some critics given Obama’s lust for executive power.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

I keep forgetting about the two hour editing window on posts, or I would have included the Helix season two cover art which is rather appropriate for a discussion about why I saw typology in Helix.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2758950/

The season two finale episode being titled 'O Brave New World', and Ronald D. Moore's connection to the project (with his rewrite/re-imagining and influence over the Battlestar Galactica reboot and it's associated religious and theological themes, but that's a whole other story) was a potential tip off as well.

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

I signed in today specifically to bring up the 1951 The Day The Earth Stood Still. Since Wikipedia has a perfectly good write up on it and accepted metaphors in the film I ask the people review this page before the read what I will write below the link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still

Although the relationship to Jesus and Klaatu is seemingly the end of the meaning of Klaatu taking the alias of Mr. Carpenter, those familiar with Mister Atwill's work will be able to go beyond this to the free-masonic connection. I am sure there must be other bits and pieces in this film and the short story it was based on Farewell to The Master by Harry Bates a title which is ripe with multiple meanings I am sure. Anyone else have any other observations about this film that has seemed to have defined a lot of UFO and Alien culture since it came out?

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

Wayward Pines is definitely worth a look at in regards to typology and implanting of ideas into the culture. an 11 episode mini series on Fox Network, which has two episodes to go. It will be released soon so those who have not been watching it can view in in one shot I am sure. I think they are trying to create a cultural meme on views of dealing with terrorism. In the latest episode they put out the catch phrase "Clear and Severe" in relationship to how terrorist should be dealt with and in this case the terrorist would be domestic terrorists. It would take a viewing of the show to understand that it is referring purely to domestic terrorists. Considering the timing of the show and such things as it takes time to write a script, get approval, do pre-production, production, and post production is suspect in light of the events in S.C. recently. Also there is a Lovecraftion or Crowleyian element to the show that those unfamiliar with the fictional works of Crowley or Lovecraft will pass off as nod to fundamentalist Christian views on demons, but anyone who knows the work of Lovecraft or Crowley's fictional work, as well as his magickal work for that matter, will see the link to Lovecraftian and Crowleyian themes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayward_Pines

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

Have you guys looked at The Walking Dead ? I've seen the Z-nation show and it's pretty horrible, it's basically B movie garbage. I tried watching it and it just wasn't even up to my standards for drama, so to me it's really painful to watch stuff like that.
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I have found the same thing between these two shows. Joe's take on Z Nation being blatant cannibal humor of a junk nature is spot on. I can see this being a continuation of the F.U. to the gentiles begun in Shakespeare. However, with The Walking Dead I am just not finding the connections to that crowd for lack of a better word and I am looking for it. The Walking Dead is actually good drama, writing etc. It's edgy and if there is humor in it that humor is hiding. I am not sure The Walking Dead is coming from the same type of people as Z Nation. The Walking Dead started as a Comic Book and so it did not come out of Hollywood to begin with. Although I have not looked at the creators of the comic book connections beyond what I have been able to find on Wikipedia. It could be a case of it coming out of some angst of the comic book writer and it seems to have had a bit of problems getting even into a black and white comic "Kirkman began The Walking Dead (2003). Kirkman said in 2012 that Image had balked at publishing a comics series featuring what it felt was simply another zombie story, prompting him to say the zombies were part of an alien plot — a notion he had no intention of using except as a mean of selling the project.[7] Artist [Charlie Adlard]] replaced Tony Moore with issue #7.[8] Moore continued to draw covers until issue 24 as well as the first four volumes of the trade paperbacks for the series." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kirkman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_(comic_book)

 

[Craig_Bickford]

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I have found the same thing between these two shows. Joe's take on Z Nation being blatant cannibal humor of a junk nature is spot on. I can see this being a continuation of the F.U. to the gentiles begun in Shakespeare. However, with The Walking Dead I am just not finding the connections to that crowd for lack of a better word and I am looking for it. The Walking Dead is actually good drama, writing etc. It's edgy and if there is humor in it that humor is hiding. I am not sure The Walking Dead is coming from the same type of people as Z Nation. The Walking Dead started as a Comic Book and so it did not come out of Hollywood to begin with. Although I have not looked at the creators of the comic book connections beyond what I have been able to find on Wikipedia. It could be a case of it coming out of some angst of the comic book writer and it seems to have had a bit of problems getting even into a black and white comic "Kirkman began The Walking Dead (2003). Kirkman said in 2012 that Image had balked at publishing a comics series featuring what it felt was simply another zombie story, prompting him to say the zombies were part of an alien plot — a notion he had no intention of using except as a mean of selling the project.[7] Artist [Charlie Adlard]] replaced Tony Moore with issue #7.[8] Moore continued to draw covers until issue 24 as well as the first four volumes of the trade paperbacks for the series." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kirkman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_(comic_book)

Fair enough. I had started noticing some biblical names here and there and wasn't sure if there was anything happening in the background. I agree it's pretty good drama, and I'm actually a big fan of the show. The flip side of that however is I definitely have no problems with the shoe in general fitting into the categorie (of my own categorization) of near future programming for the preper/apocalypse/economic down turn crowd.

To this I will reference a CDCP ( centers for Disease Control and prevention) manual that was put out a while ago for dealing with a zombie outbreak.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

What was interesting was that an astute observer on another website I viewed pointed out that the zombie manual could easily be used in the context I'm speaking if you swap out Zombies for refugees. Now this is a whole lot of nothing to do with the production of the walking dead I realize or its creators, but it's still kind of interesting I think. I would agree were probably not looking at any typology in this circumstances however so strike that from the list.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

Wayward Pines is definitely worth a look at in regards to typology and implanting of ideas into the culture. an 11 episode mini series on Fox Network, which has two episodes to go. It will be released soon so those who have not been watching it can view in in one shot I am sure. I think they are trying to create a cultural meme on views of dealing with terrorism. In the latest episode they put out the catch phrase "Clear and Severe" in relationship to how terrorist should be dealt with and in this case the terrorist would be domestic terrorists. It would take a viewing of the show to understand that it is referring purely to domestic terrorists. Considering the timing of the show and such things as it takes time to write a script, get approval, do pre-production, production, and post production is suspect in light of the events in S.C. recently. Also there is a Lovecraftion or Crowleyian element to the show that those unfamiliar with the fictional works of Crowley or Lovecraft will pass off as nod to fundamentalist Christian views on demons, but anyone who knows the work of Lovecraft or Crowley's fictional work, as well as his magickal work for that matter, will see the link to Lovecraftian and Crowleyian themes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayward_Pines

Reanimation, degenerate human racial subsets, cannibalistic practices, yeah there is some Lovecraftian tie in that I didn't even see until you mentioned it. Good eye. Lovecraft has been sneaking into a lot of pop culture lately, true detective being an example (though I think the King in Yellow though erroneously tied to HPL entires later is actually from Bierce and Howard or Chambers respectively, and a couple others?). I have read a few times that according to some HPL scholars, the Cthulhu cycle (or mythos if you are into the Derleth interpretations or tropes that came later) isn't much more than a reselling of revelations though I have a hard time understanding how it lines up.

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

What was interesting was that an astute observer on another website I viewed pointed out that the zombie manual could easily be used in the context I'm speaking if you swap out Zombies for refugees. Now this is a whole lot of nothing to do with the production of the walking dead I realize or its creators, but it's still kind of interesting I think. I would agree were probably not looking at any typology in this circumstances however so strike that from the list.

My thoughts on The Walking Dead are that this somewhat independent comic was picked up because it was good writing secondly, however firstly because it fits an agenda of those who are creating this general paranoia and wishing to get people back into a Feudal system by any means. The creation of the Zombie paradigm is where we have to look I think. IE Night of the Living Dead, Rabid, Cannibal Holocaust etc back in the 60s and 70s as it is sort of on auto-pilot now. Thus my feelings that The Walking Dead is not conscious typological writing but unconscious because the genre. I agree that Z Nation is conscious and an F.U. to gentiles and also to fans of Zombie films mocking more serious ones like The Walking Dead again the producers low view of the public.
As for the CDC manual I think it is for both. I think it is possible to create a virus based on rabies, that would create zombies combine it with drugs that have the side-effects of Bath Salts and Krokodial and you have a Zombie epidemic. Also there is the whole issue of making people view others as less than human to get them to kill and I think at least some part of the public from what I heard from fans of The Walking Dead would love a chance at revenge at folks they hated if they became zombies.

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

I have read a few times that according to some HPL scholars, the Cthulhu cycle (or mythos if you are into the Derleth interpretations or tropes that came later) isn't much more than a reselling of revelations though I have a hard time understanding how it lines up.

I am more going by what I have read in the work of Peter Levenda, Sinister Forces, The Dark Lord, etc His works points to a mystery tradition that pre-dates Christianity was the system that the mound builders in North America had. Still trying to fit all of this with Levenda's Work, Saturn Theory, Electric Universe Theory and Mr Atwill's work on Shakespeare and Christianity. I have a basic outline in my head but not ready to completely share my theory as I don't have it outlined on paper or disk at this point. However I believe this is what is being hidden from us.

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

Two other points I wanted to bring up in regards to this thread.

The Television series Lost. Now the creators of Lost came out and stated their writing was metaphorical or typological although they did not specifically use the word typological. Viewers who watched what Lost episodes that were re-aired as Pop-Up Lost had a sort of introduction to typological thinking in regards to watching a television series. Again I stress they did not use the specific term typological in reference to this but they did have Pop-ups saying this character was based on this person in History, the book a character is reading is by so and so and is about this or that and how it related to the episode story line. One character was named Richard Alpert after the Psychedelic researcher Richard Alpert(Ram Dass) and explained why he was named after him. One character was John Locke and later his name was changed to Jeremy Bentham after his demeanor changed to a nastier one. This change was because Locke was more about Natural rights and Benthem was more Utilitarian and invented the concept of the Panopticon Prison System. Thus the viewing public of Lost has been subtly indoctrinated into typological thinking.

To my next point there are a lot of screenwriting courses and software helpers that are basically teaching people to write typologically without telling them this is what they are doing. Basically they use the terms archetypal and make it appear as benign without actually having the student understand the power of such writing in either direction positive or negative. There is one such program that is often recommended to up coming screenwriters in story creation. That being James Truby Blockbuster he is a link to an online demo and if one knows what to look for this program in my opinion is putting a lot of negative typological themes on auto-pilot out into the world by unwitting and unwilling screenwriters to make the job of those of us looking for clues even harder. Here is a link to the online demo http://www.writersupercenter.com/blockbuster/demo.htm

 

[Craig_Bickford]

My thoughts on The Walking Dead are that this somewhat independent comic was picked up because it was good writing secondly, however firstly because it fits an agenda of those who are creating this general paranoia and wishing to get people back into a Feudal system by any means. The creation of the Zombie paradigm is where we have to look I think. IE Night of the Living Dead, Rabid, Cannibal Holocaust etc back in the 60s and 70s as it is sort of on auto-pilot now. Thus my feelings that The Walking Dead is not conscious typological writing but unconscious because the genre. I agree that Z Nation is conscious and an F.U. to gentiles and also to fans of Zombie films mocking more serious ones like The Walking Dead again the producers low view of the public.
As for the CDC manual I think it is for both. I think it is possible to create a virus based on rabies, that would create zombies combine it with drugs that have the side-effects of Bath Salts and Krokodial and you have a Zombie epidemic. Also there is the whole issue of making people view others as less than human to get them to kill and I think at least some part of the public from what I heard from fans of The Walking Dead would love a chance at revenge at folks they hated if they became zombies.

Excellent and well stated insights! I appreciate the feedback. You've opened up a new perspective on this for me.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

Two other points I wanted to bring up in regards to this thread.

The Television series Lost. Now the creators of Lost came out and stated their writing was metaphorical or typological although they did not specifically use the word typological. Viewers who watched what Lost episodes that were re-aired as Pop-Up Lost had a sort of introduction to typological thinking in regards to watching a television series. Again I stress they did not use the specific term typological in reference to this but they did have Pop-ups saying this character was based on this person in History, the book a character is reading is by so and so and is about this or that and how it related to the episode story line. One character was named Richard Alpert after the Psychedelic researcher Richard Alpert(Ram Dass) and explained why he was named after him. One character was John Locke and later his name was changed to Jeremy Bentham after his demeanor changed to a nastier one. This change was because Locke was more about Natural rights and Benthem was more Utilitarian and invented the concept of the Panopticon Prison System. Thus the viewing public of Lost has been subtly indoctrinated into typological thinking.

To my next point there are a lot of screenwriting courses and software helpers that are basically teaching people to write typologically without telling them this is what they are doing. Basically they use the terms archetypal and make it appear as benign without actually having the student understand the power of such writing in either direction positive or negative. There is one such program that is often recommended to up coming screenwriters in story creation. That being James Truby Blockbuster he is a link to an online demo and if one knows what to look for this program in my opinion is putting a lot of negative typological themes on auto-pilot out into the world by unwitting and unwilling screenwriters to make the job of those of us looking for clues even harder. Here is a link to the online demo http://www.writersupercenter.com/blockbuster/demo.htm

Wow Lost was on my radar a while back for its what you mentioned and some other clues (the number 23, the admission that Robert Anton Wilson influenced them to some extent, and the obvious MK-ULTRA and monarch related themes of room 23, swan and other stations as panopticon of sorts), but before I knew what typology was. That software is outrageous. I didn't even realize this kind of thing existed. But what do I expect really, we've got about a $2 billion dollar a year worldwide market where automated software rights copy for all kinds of news outlets as it is right now. I heard that one on NPR a few weeks ago. I guess software that helps people right typologically isnt that surprising, but it is very disturbing to me regardless.

This is similar to the story I heard on NPR.

http://www.wired.com/2012/04/can-an-algorithm-write-a-better-news-story-than-a-human-reporter/

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

Craig I have never had anything produced on a level other than stage that I have written. However, I have written a lot of screenplays and had private mentor-ship from people in The Hollywood System. Came close a couple of times. There is a big emphasis on archetypal writing which is what they call it more so than typological but they are closely related styles in my opinion. Diverting for a moment to illustrate a point, the failure to get that writer both ancient and contemporary interlace these two types of writing is where some one like D.M. Murdock would think that Mr. Atwill's Theory was incorrect. But if you understand that archetypal and typological writing styles are used concurrently then her work and Mr. Atwill's fit together quite nicely. So therefore we get all these stories based on fairy tales, myths, Jesus, Moses, etc and now then things in current times, political figures warnings and manipulations. I don't think the elites give a sod if writers produce warnings that are not of their making since people who were from their camp already created the meme that then auto-pilots others into writing the stories that they want out there.

Onto to Wilson I have read a lot of his work as well as other stuff from New Falcon Press. The 23 thing came from Burroughs who was CIA passed that on to RAW, Chris Hyatt, Israel Regardie. Leary and all those at New Falcon Press (Falcon=Horus). Lost whole show for the last scenes to create an idea of a new religious system. Setting up that idea of eternity, basically the same message being put out as in film The Tree of Life, exactly the same vision of soul groups coming together in the afterlife.

So now I will interject another aspect of this group that was inspired so much of modern media. IE Crowley, Burroughs, Brion Gysin, Israel Regardie, Tim Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, Chris Hyatt. Starting with Crowley then to Burroughs and Gysin the destruction of rational thought through bizarre writing techniques to change the way people think. This then was taken on by New Falcon Press Writers Israel Regardie (although his work was the most coherent of these writers) Tim Leary, Robert Anton Wilson and Chris Hyatt. Hyatt's work is perhaps the most dangerous work coming out of New Falcon Press Undoing Yourself, Extreme Individual Training, and other works which are all designed to basically help a person to achieve personal greatness by becoming a psychopath. His work has exercises to help one achieve this state of transcendence into psychopathy. These writers have inspired so many others and Robert Anton Wilson for example claims to be a part of The Illuminati. Mr. Atwill and Jan Irvin have done a lot to expose Tim Leary's CIA connection. So yes understanding the connection to MKUltra and Robert Anton Wilson and the show Lost because of its nature is very important to our quest to find out what is the message that is being put out because I feel that we are just on a surface level with it all still. The works of New Falcon Press I believe are something that all of us in this search should look at a little bit more. However with the caveat that stuff at New Falcon Press is designed to transform by reading and transform in some ways that seem really suspect and dangerous.

Sorry for being so disjointed in my responses but this is like sorting out a 1000 balls of yarn all mixed together.