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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

Randall Carlson admits that humans are influencing the climate, and that there's a worthy controversy going on. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has ben dramatically increasing over the last 100 years, and he doesn't question that. And, I don't see how anyone can question that the climate is getting warmer and more violent. So the question is: correlation, or coincidence?

Carlson says that naturally occurring factors such as changes in the sun also effect the climate. I suppose it's possible that some other natural factor (independent variable) is causing this, but I don't know of anything that's been identified as a likely candidate. Carlson makes the point that the change in CO2 is less than 100ppm, and that the changes are small in comparison to global carbon stocks; but it's disingenuous to claim that this means the change in CO2 is not significant. On the contrary, CO2 is a very potent greenhouse gas, and small changes in CO2 can cause big changes in climate, according to models of the global energy balance.

I would agree that the "scientific consensus" is driven by politics & funding. In spite of all the money that's been spent, some crucial variables in the climate change debate are still unknown. Models of the influence of CO2 levels on temperature predict much larger effects than we're actually seeing, and the difference is thought to be caused by aerosols (dust) primarily from coal burning, but the predominance & effects of these aerosols are very poorly understood. But, some of the dissenters & debunkers of the "human driven global climate change consensus" are also unsavory characters with a history as hired guns of industrial capitalism.

At the end of the video, Carlson claims that there is 200-year-old atmospheric sample data that contradicts widely-accepted ice core data regarding pre-industrial CO2 concentration. Well, umm, maybe?....
 

lorenhough

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Hi Loren,
I am something of a Catastrophist myself, and as exemplified by all your recent posts today I often wonder whether the entire tableau of religion, occult phenomenon, etc. is merely a means to focus everyone away from what its purveyors might know about the cosmos and our Earthly home. Hence, as in Genesis it tells us to go forth and multiply, and conversely in Revelation and elsewhere we are told of great destruction. This is accompanied by historic evidence and accounts of people surviving underground, and now we hear of the elites rushing off to prepare their survival roosts.
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lorenhough

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Hi Loren,

Randall Carlson admits that humans are influencing the climate, and that there's a worthy controversy going on. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has ben dramatically increasing over the last 100 years, and he doesn't question that. And, I don't see how anyone can question that the climate is getting warmer and more violent. So the question is: correlation, or coincidence?

Carlson says that naturally occurring factors such as changes in the sun also effect the climate. I suppose it's possible that some other natural factor (independent variable) is causing this, but I don't know of anything that's been identified as a likely candidate. Carlson makes the point that the change in CO2 is less than 100ppm, and that the changes are small in comparison to global carbon stocks; but it's disingenuous to claim that this means the change in CO2 is not significant. On the contrary, CO2 is a very potent greenhouse gas, and small changes in CO2 can cause big changes in climate, according to models of the global energy balance.

I would agree that the "scientific consensus" is driven by politics & funding. In spite of all the money that's been spent, some crucial variables in the climate change debate are still unknown. Models of the influence of CO2 levels on temperature predict much larger effects than we're actually seeing, and the difference is thought to be caused by aerosols (dust) primarily from coal burning, but the predominance & effects of these aerosols are very poorly understood. But, some of the dissenters & debunkers of the "human driven global climate change consensus" are also unsavory characters with a history as hired guns of industrial capitalism.

At the end of the video, Carlson claims that there is 200-year-old atmospheric sample data that contradicts widely-accepted ice core data regarding pre-industrial CO2 concentration. Well, umm, maybe?....
 

lorenhough

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Greetings Jerry, I think you need to see some more dots to help and hold them in your mind at the same time, connect to see the big picture hope I can help here, get past, the because a few hand picked scientists say so.

IPCC History Lesson by http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/
February 17, 2014

The impetus to create this page was the assertion that Maurice Strong wrote the terms of reference for the IPCC Climate Assessments to cover only man-made causes of climate change. Terms of Reference are the de-facto “thou shalt only speak of these things” in this realm of study. While Mr. Strong is currently living in China-unresponsive to all attempts for contact- and while his signature is found on no official documents for that reference that I can find on the internet, I can say this… “U.N., we have a problem.”
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Climate Change: A Catastrophist’s Perspective

Ok how do you explain that the earth has had no ice in the past (definition of Ice Age is any ice on the earth) and has been a snow ball with out the humans doing any thing ?? Can you say crocodiles in Greenland? One must consider the weather changing from warm to cold and warm again every few hundred years in Europe to understand the history.

350 ppm is what percentage of CO2 in the air? Do you know? What Percentage is a 50 point per million increase, thats parts per million?

What is the total percentage of CO2 in the air?

.04% is the total CO2 in the atmosphere of the earth;

what percentage of .04% is man-made? Do you know?

Most of of the CO2's in the ocean & in the earth. When it gets warmer the CO2 from the ocean goes into the air, when it's gets cold it's back into the ocean. All of There own models say that heat rises before CO2. What's that mean?

Let me show you how you can question whether it's getting warmer; the scientist I see shows it's 50-50 a matter fact the north pole is hotter while the south pool is getting colder. Record temperatures for heat and cold or even now, record ice on great lakes for 2 years now. they love to use climate denier but there the science deniers. saying no one event is telling then they talk about a event as if it is.

The guys who study plant fossils will tell you there was lot more co2 then today.

30 years ago they said it was going to get colder we need to put more minerals in the soil to correct the problem, than they it was going to get hotter because of all the oil were burning & coal, now they say it's just going to change they can't be wrong now! And you can't use wood for your stove, and the world bank wants a world carbon tax, for what?

The Canadian thought they wouldn't be taxed because they have so many trees, but no then they found out they had the wrong trees to fit the bill! ha ha

To say the sun is not affect the big picture is not see its cool at night warmer in day lite. As the sun rotates through it's 26,000 year cycle! It snows in July in the winter north America reverse climate in the southern hemisphere every 13000 years. you know the earth has three movements spinning wobbling & it's circling the sun all of those affect our temperature climate weather.

In My greenhouse I add CO2 to 1000 ppm I grew more food by 30% giving me more precious oxygen !!! more CO2 the plants will grow more on the earth and will have more food. Wow!

Pick a stable of scientists pay them off make them famous (I know the personal friends with Dr. West Jackson genius award winner,) to find out in 20o9, thousands of their emails were all discrediting what they were saying. The world would found out they had fudge their records and data. Remember?

As you just mentioned at the end of the first video; Is everyone ignoring the chemical analysis data for CO2? how do we know how much CO2's in the air right now?, how long have been able to do it? 180 years! they can sample the air anywhere it's been as high 500 ppm in the past 200 years in different parts of the earth all the time, it's never the same any where, did They tell you that? I will present that data next. below.

Science is not a consensus it either is or isn't it's never a vote!

There data depends on ice cores thousands of feet under the ground at the north and south pole. Does that represent the earth? How does that ice get there? Comes from snow hundreds of years it turns to ice packs down gases out to 250 ppm under high pressure under the earth. Bring it up it cracks and gases is off.. This is their proof?

How do you make a computer model of c02 when you don't know the out come?

Sorry I did not get the other videos up I invite you to watch them I've been studying this for 30 years and did not change my mind until I saw them.

Good day ya they made it up to tax us. Read the book 'the first global revolution' a report by the council of club Road. 1991 Climate change will fit the bill to bring about a one world government. Etc. how did they know back then.. o ya the planed it. prince Philip [wish I was a killer bug] gives a opening to the book.

Carbon is life from the stars. As thay say co2 no PU yes. As China builds all the new coal plants they want. You remember the English people in London freezing? No coal just cold for them. You know save the earth for you know who? Thank God we are coming out of an Ice Age! Please see references

SGI Climate Change Presentation References. Bibliography

Here is Randall's site. See. References also here and more go home page from there.

http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/climate-change-a-catastrophists-perspective

Carbon dioxide - Wikipedia,

Carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2) is a naturally occurring chemical compound composed of two oxygen atoms each covalently double bonded to a single carbon atom. It is a gas at standard temperature and pressure and exists in Earth's atmosphere in this state, as a trace gas at a concentration of 0.04 per cent (400 ppm) by volume, as of 2014.

A carbon dioxide "sensor" or CO2 sensor is an instrument for the measurement of carbon dioxide gas. The most common principles for CO2 sensors are infrared gas sensors (NDIR) and "chemical" gas sensors. Measuring carbon dioxide is important in monitoring air.

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My friend I was at a big conference at Stanford University packed room for the new electrical grid system smart grid, the guy giving the lecture said it doesn't matter if you believe in global warming or not this what we are going to do.

Loren, I drink the Kool-Aid too. As joe a said we've all been fooled, But thx to joe A. And you all, Etc. and gnostic media, trategy and hope site; I'm waking up. Thx again
 
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lorenhough

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  • I rest my case. Loren
 
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Jerry Russell

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Loren,

Perhaps we can agree that a controversy is raging -- and that fear of Global Warming is part of the intellectual zeitgeist of our time, whether or not the fears are justified?

From as much reading as I've been able to do, looking at both sides of the question: I still feel that important measurements haven't been made, the climate is more complex than anyone can understand, and no one is in any position to make predictions. But on the other hand, folks like James Hansen also appear to have some valid concerns, and it's not so easy to prove them categorically wrong.

The advocates of the catastrophic AGW hypothesis are well aware of their critics. For example, Meijer (& Keeling?) reply to Beck here:

http://multi-science.metapress.com/content/c332k41405021514/fulltext.pdf?page=1
 

lorenhough

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JERRY SO YOU SAY because James says so!! really? I wish you could give me evidence where I am wrong. LH

JERRY SAID; folks like James Hansen also appear to have some valid concerns, and it's not so easy to prove them categorically wrong. LOREN SAYS; funny look at what I posted I just did prove him wrong.

http://multi-science.metapress.com/content/c332k41405021514/fulltext.pdf?page=1
Loren says; ok because James says so!! really? I wish you could give me evidence where I am wrong.

James Hansen ? he loves nuclear power ... doesn't like dams for elec. ok mmm do you? what does james say about the The guys who study plant fossils? They will tell you there was lot more co2 in the past then today. nothing; ok mmmmm co2 records for 180?? nothing to say ok mmmmm..

James is from nasa nazi military group you know rockets for bombs! ok mmmm I think James should go help clean up fuckshima. ya we can watch him save the earth.
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be careful what you add weight to as it my be you is carbon taxed into freezing like in England! whats wrong ? THERE ACTING ON BAD SCINCE as you said we still studding the problem but they have voted so they don't want to talk about contradictive evidence.

here in this vid. in big boys own words how they made up carbon taxes joke about it .. you know a bag of carbon that you can weight?<ifra="
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George Hunt interview – “Say What Is UNCED – The Elite and the Environmental Movement” – #135
January 31, 2012 • 90 Comments maybe joe a can help you hear this
Rothschild talks about making dry ice to take it to the poles, his black joke; ab0ve video, how his bank alone will handle the world co2 tax, low gas prices now? getting you ready. For $7 a gallon with carbon tax.

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This episode is an interview with George Hunt titled “Say What Is UNCED – The Elite and the Environmental Movement” and is being released on Tuesday, January 31, 2012. My interview with George was recorded on Monday, January 30, 2012. George Washington Hunt served as a naval officer on cruisers and destroyers, held corporate positions…

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un said you know don't tell ssss Un ced get it?

Fukushima “To the people of the world, DANGER! HELP! vomiting blood, skin inside mouth peeled out, contamination is all over Japan. Speaker nearly cries when revealing babies in rain waiting for food.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Loren, I think Global Warming is a perfect example of a wedge issue that's used to drive conservatives & liberals apart. Yes, Hansen thinks nuclear power is preferable to fossil fuels. So now we suspect maybe there could be an option to use cold nuclear fusion, which would be preferable to both.

Have you read & studied any of Hansen's books and papers? Your attack on him seems to be pure ad hominem.

Why is it so important to you, that you beat me into submission about this? The position you're taking seems to be much more extreme than that fellow Randall Carlson in your video, who admits that humans are affecting the climate.
 

lorenhough

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Loren, Yes, Hansen thinks nuclear power is preferable to fossil fuels.

Have you read & studied any of Hansen's books and papers?

Why is it so important to you, that you beat me into submission about this? The position you're taking seems to be much more extreme than that fellow Randall Carlson in your video, who admits that humans are affecting the climate.
please don't take it personal, I know what its like, as I to was a big believer in co2 being bad for you for 0ver 30 years reading ever book I could to see they didn't know for sure what co2 would do. watch Randall you didn't hear his whole talk, he will say what I am saying with more details; extreme? if you call that being right.

is a dam that makes elec, fossil fuel? does nuke power that takes god knows how much co2 to make better then natural gas which we have in spades? ask Helen she has a book on why Jim is so wrong! I am on your side, wishing you well L

Helen Caldicott - Official Site

Crisis Without End

Nuclear Power is Not the Answer
In a world torn apart by wars over oil, many politicians are increasingly looking for alternative sources of energy – and their leading choice is often nuclear. Among the myths that have been spread over the years about nuclear-powered electricity are that it does not cause global warming or pollution (i.e., that it is “clean and green”), that it is inexpensive, and that it is safe. But the facts belie the barrage of nuclear industry propaganda:





    • Nuclear power contributes to co2


    • The real costs of nuclear power are prohibitive (and taxpayers pick up most of them)

      • There’s not enough uranium in the world to sustain long-term nuclear power


    • Potential for a catastrophic accident or terrorist attack far outweighs any benefits; you read James book? why doesn't he get it? DO YOU? the world bank un all want nuke power as they cant build them fast enough in china and 40 more going up all over the world. as they walk away form the 100 40 year old plants here in usa.
Dams to Be Removed in Washington to Replenish Salmon ... the most contaminated river in usa. is from the nuke site Hanford which is killing the fish+ fukshima , who eating salmon now from north pacific and why? o ya its the dams damming them.

Jul 30, 2011 · The New York Times. ... Biologists say that will change once the dams are fully removed, now the fish will be ok?

****you ask why its important to me; just see the sea: but so happy to share what I have learned, please forgive me for my passion on this subject. I am weeping for the sea and you and me; not because of co2, but because of the man made mox fuel spent fuel rods tons and tons in to dust; making very bad Bucky balls when mixed with ocean ..... not tons of co2. which is it nature, to mix with the sea.*****

see here I wrote,

"Buckyballs" Uranyl peroxide enhanced nuclear fuel corrosion in seawater: Weaponizes nano radioactive hot particles so they more readily float in the air and Ocean and travel farther.

January 27th, 2012
Journal: Unprecedented phenomenon from using saltwater in Fukushima reactors — Forming new uranium compounds able to travel long distances… “like carbon buckyballs”


TV: “This is really kind of scary… a grim reality” for West Coast — Alarm as baby whales keep dying; Since 2011 none have survived over a year — Biologist: We see them pregnant for weeks, then no longer pregnant — NOAA: “Not what we’re used to… Incredibly poor condition… Skeleton with skin”

‘Mysterious Phenomena’ off U.S. West Coast: Fish disappeared, whales nearly absent, no krill, high rates of egg failure among birds — California Fishermen: “There’s almost nothing there, just a lot of warm clear water”

October , 2014
Professors: Fukushima has emerged as global threat — Major health concerns along west coast — Bioaccumulation expected to keep rising for decades Gov’t failing to inform public of looming long-term radioactive hazard Instead, official gives tips on how to disguise radiation levels from public.

August t, 2014 |
“We’re Alarmed”: Chunks missing from bodies of salmon from Pacific Lesions in over 50% of fish being reported — Experts: “Looks like traumatic insult… followed by bacterial invasions”;

‘Unusual Troubling News’: Only about 1% of sockeye salmon coming to US waters from Pacific, normally 50 times higher Lowest rate ever recorded — Had expected best numbers ever Scientist: ‘Warm blob’ off West Coast may be to blame Chinook salmon numbers also low


TV: “Mysterious die off of young salmon” in Pacific Northwest — “Healthy and then they die” heading out to sea “Far less plankton than normal There are too many questions” Researchers now testing for plankton and Fukushima contamination off West Coast

August 6th, 2014
Alaska: “Scientists alarmed by new mystery disease” Pacific Northwest: “Alarming changes” “Couldn’t believe my eyes” Scientists really stumped. It’s kind of an alien thing” “Gotten much, much worse… a horror show… could wreak havoc on entire ecosystems from Mexico to Alaska"

July 31st, 2014
Report: “Worst he’s ever seen” says Alaska boat captain — Fishermen “talking about Fukushima… convinced it has something to do with it” Salmon “not showing up… many have lesions or worms and parasites” Crabs “more easily damaged… a lot of dead catch” — Herring, cod, halibut, pollock catches “dropping off cliff”

July 29th, 2014 |
Video: Fukushima debris “waist high” on Canadian island; “Catastrophic death” it’s horrifying; 15-mile long lines of floating trash Journalist: Radioactive tsunami debris found far from Fukushima plant Global concern over spread of contamination

April 17th, 2014 |
L.A. News Outlet: Fukushima plume worries to sink fishing industry? newspapers “warning readers to avoid eating locally-caught fish”

Baby survives parents' global warming suicide pact - Telegraph
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Mar 01, 2010 · South America » Argentina; ... by her parents as part of a suicide pact over their fears about global warming. ... brother before killing themselves.

the weather man cant get the weather right 7 days out how do they do it for a 100 years? well I can do it for mox pu bucky balls; for the next 1 billion years over a billion people will be effected by the NP oceans death ..and there own shorten life's.

click on this and see my site on mox;

Fukushima concentrated plutonium Mox fuel, contaminating billions of people, shorting their life span, for the next billion years! Rise up say no to nuclear power!
 
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lorenhough

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Fallout Over "ClimateGate" Data Leak Grows
December 2, 2009 / CBSnews.com

"ClimateGate" continue to spread, with congressional attention growing and the head of a prominent climate change group stepping aside.

Phil Jones, the head of the Climactic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, said on Tuesday that he will relinquish his post while the U.K. school conducts an investigation into allegations of scientific and professional misconduct.
East Anglia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

East Anglia, United Kingdom
GB at the level of NUTS 2 for statistical purposes.

Jones' announcement comes as he and his allies, who published some of the foundational data used to support the claim that global warming exists. As CBSNews.com reported last week, the leaked files show that prominent scientists were so wedded to theories of man-made global warming that they ridiculed dissenters who asked for copies of their data, plotted how to keep researchers who reached different conclusions from publishing, and concealed apparently buggy computer code from being disclosed under the Freedom of Information law.

The reverberations have extended beyond the campus of the University of East Anglia and the CRU. E-mail messages from Michael Mann, a professor in the meteorology department at Penn State University who has argued that mankind is threatening "entire ecosystems with extinction in the decades ahead if we continue to burn fossil fuels at current rates," appeared in the leaked files. Now Penn State has opened an investigation into Mann's work (A: That’s the guy who invented the graph that goes up like a rocket; where he turned it upside down because we’re actually declining in temperature. So he reversed it.), and the U.K.'s weather agency has been forced on the defensive as well.

Some mainstream academics working in the area have distanced themselves from Mann, Jones, and other researchers whose correspondence has drawn allegations of impropriety. Aynsley Kellow, a professor at the University of Tasmania who was an expert reviewer for a U.N. global warming report, told ABC Radio there was evidence of a "willingness to manipulate raw data to suit predetermined results, (A: That’s totally faking it.) you've got a resistance to any notion of transparency (A: They wouldn’t let anybody look at their books.), an active resistance to freedom of information requests or quite reasonable requests from scientists to have a look at data so that it can be verified."

Hans von Storch, director of the Director of Institute for Coastal Research who was assailed by Mann in one e-mail message, calls the CRU axis a "cartel" (A: That’s exactly what they are; a POLITICAL, ideological cartel, and a well-paid bunch at that, getting millions of dollars thrown at them, but for an ideal and it’s not their idea. It’s the big boys like Rockefeller, the Fabians and so on.

Miss Stewart 1998
In another statement quoted by the Herald, Ms. Stewart gave another reason for adopting the religion of global warming. 'Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.' (A: So we’ll have justice and equality, the good commie that she is.) Here she gets closer to the core motivation of some of the leading global warming activists. Where socialism's attempt at a global redistribution of wealth ended in economic catastrophe, global warming is being wheeled in as the next new economic crusade.


Climate talk collapse better for planet: NASA's Hansen
Mr. Hansen of NASA. If you want a fervent who’s utterly dedicated to the agenda, where scientists should rule over the planet, this is the guy here. Remember, he was arrested at different demonstrations trying to close down mines and all the other means of alternate energy. He literally says that he doesn’t want something to be the same as the previous Copenhagen agreement because they’ll drag their feet on it. He wants IMMEDIATE ACTION, totalitarian action, to save the world.)

Don’t you see how this fanatical politicization of agencies is not a very safe or comfortable thing to have? You see that? Do you understand NASA is supposed to be non-political? But the head of every organization that does anything at all OVER us - over us, I repeat; literally, in the case of NASA – should not be politicized, with its belief systems, in a world socialist state, with the priesthood of science handing out the law. Believe you me, if you want totalitarianism in the most horrific way, as Bertrand Russell says, “I believe there will be a scientific dictatorship” he says, “It will be absolutely murderous” and completely intolerant but Russell says “I’d rather have that than any other kind of dictatorship.”

Copenhagen climate summit: global warming 'caused by sun's radiation'
Global warming is caused by radiation from the sun, according to a leading scientist speaking out at an alternative "sceptics' conference" in Copenhagen.

By Louise Gray / 8 Dec 2009
As the world gathered in the Danish capital for the UN Climate Change Conference, more than 50 scientists, businessmen and lobby groups met to discuss the arguments against man made global warming.

Although the meeting was considerably smaller than the official gathering of 15,000 people meeting down the road, the organisers claimed it could change the course of negotiations.
Professor Henrik Svensmark, a physicist at the Danish National Space Center in Copenhagen, said the recent warming period was caused by solar activity.

He said the last time the world experienced such high temperatures, during the medieval warming period, the Sun and the Earth were in a similar cycle.

Professor Nils-Axel Morner, a geologist from Stockholm University, said sea level rise has also been exaggerated (Alan: I’d say, by quite a few meters.) by the “climate alarmists” using computer models. (A: That’s how they’re telling you that everything is rising in the sea. They’re using computers. The facts don’t count and the measuring sticks don’t count, just like the thermometers don’t matter any more. It’s the COMPUTER MODELS they go by. That gives them the information they WANT to hear.)

He said observational data from lake sediments, coast lines and trees show sea levels have remained stable. (A: That’s right, no islands have sunk.)

Professor Cliff Ollier, another geologist from the University of Western Australia, also said the environmental lobby have got it wrong on ice caps. He said the melting of ice sheets is caused by geothermal activity rather than global surface temperatures.

Professor Ian Plimer, from the University of Adelaide, claimed carbon dioxide from volcanoes rather than humans is driving warming as part of a natural process. (A: It warms and it cools and it warms and it cools. That’s how it’s been for an awful, awful long time.)
So, at least not everyone is fooled. Believe you me, there’s no consensus on this rubbish of global warming… far, far from it. There are thousands of scientists that can’t even get a paper published. We’ve gone through the stuff, the leaked emails, to show HOW they were BLACKLISTED from getting stuff published in major publications. In the world of science AND medicine, you’ll find this is how things are. If you get your name published with a theory in one of these major journals, it’s then acted upon as some sort of gospel truth; at least it’s up for examination. If you’re blacklisted and they won’t put your theory in there or your findings in there, then no one has ever heard of you and all they’re left with is the PRO-warming nonsense. You think politics doesn’t come into areas of life, like science?

It’s ALL political. Science is all political. Everything they get at the scientific level is from massive grants, GRANTS. They live on grants all the time from government and private organizations. When you look into – and you should look into – the various groups who are given grants by the big foundations for instance, like Rockefeller, you would be surprised at some of them and what they’re looking in to.

This link will take you to Breitbart.tv where you will hear Al Gore in the early days with a totally different view of CO2 where he said that CO2 FOLLOWED global warming whereas now he is saying that CO2 is CAUSING global warming.
(breitbart.tv)

This article is from Spiked Magazine. It’s to do with a big ad that was put out through the newspapers by The Optimum Population Trust, another backer of the global warming stuff since they want to reduce the population with all the laws they’re going to bring out. Remember, The Optimum Population Trust advises Prince Charles AND the British Parliament AND other countries’ Parliaments because – through this foundation – they’ve got branches ACROSS THE WORLD with the same mantras and the same psychopaths at the top all working their way up just like Orwell’s sheep –

Below a picture of 12 black babies, the caption warns: ‘Babies in Dakar, Senegal.’ Then, with a literary sigh of relief, the subtitle to the caption points out that a ‘cost analysis commissioned by [the Optimum Population Trust] claims that family planning is the cheapest way to reduce carbon emissions’ (1). In other words, the destructiveness of such babies, these carbon emitters, can be counteracted if we prevent them from being born in the first place.


by allen watt, http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_468_Copenhagen_Treat-y__a_Treat_for_the_Greedy_Dec092009.html

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lorenhough

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Loren,

Perhaps we can agree that a controversy is raging -- and that fear of Global Warming is part of the intellectual zeitgeist of our time, whether or not the fears are justified?

From as much reading as I've been able to do, looking at both sides of the question: I still feel that important measurements haven't been made, the climate is more complex than anyone can understand, and no one is in any position to make predictions. But on the other hand, folks like James Hansen also appear to have some valid concerns, and it's not so easy to prove them categorically wrong. o ya co2 in my green house sinks to the floor and builds up! I good place to find it??
Carbon sink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

... and represent the largest active carbon sink on Earth, ... Mid-to-high latitude forests have a much lower albedo during snow seasons than flat ground, ...
The advocates of the catastrophic AGW hypothesis are well aware of their critics. For example, Meijer (& Keeling?) reply to Beck here:

http://multi-science.metapress.com/content/c332k41405021514/fulltext.pdf?page=1
where does hes show what that the 'conclusions' are wrong without explaining what they were, as they are based on poor understanding of the atmosphere? re-interpreted? The Netherlands mmmm the measurements were taken on mountains air planes windy days all time of day and night and with mixing etc.you get over 180 years and good idea, with 1000s of mes. but this has nothing to do with there saying its never been over 25o ppm; as the plant fossils guys will say, that's it been much higher that's co2 in the past.

The core ice samples at the poles 1000s of feet down little air bubbles from snow meling over a 100 years to make ice, Is that mixed? they love it, and they are laffin all the way to the bank in davouus $ as they mix us up. it all adds. if you really look at what Randall is saying ...

co2 in my green house sinks to floor and builds up. a great place to look for it wouldn't you say? and when they say co2 is 400 ppm were did they measure that?

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COMMENT ON “180 YEARS OF ATMOSPHERIC CO2 GAS ANALYSIS BY CHEMICAL METHODS” BY ERNST-GEORG BECK
Energy & Environment, Vol. 18(2), 2007
By Harro A.J. Meijer Centrum voor IsotopenOnderzoek, University of Groningen, The Netherlands
Beck has re-interpreted various 19th and early 20th century chemical CO2 measurements, and derived very far-reaching conclusions. His work, however, contains major flaws, such that the conclusions are wrong, as they are based on poor understanding of the atmosphere. The concentration of CO2 as measured close to the earth’s surface is fully governed by atmospheric mixing, and lack thereof. The two main effects are: (1) The general build-up of an inversion layer during the night, causing the lowest parts of the atmosphere (some nights lower than 100 meters) to be isolated from the large free troposphere. The normal nocturnal production of CO2 by soil and vegetation mixes only into this small layer, and this leads to highly elevated concentrations of CO2. During the day, the contact between the lower layer and the free troposphere is gradually restored, causing the CO2 concentration to sink towards the free troposphere background concentration. The lowest concentrations of CO2 are generally reached in the local afternoon, when the mixing between lower layer and free troposphere is near to completion. Yet, close to ground level, a distinct difference in concentration will remain, its size depending on weather conditions. At an elevation of only 2 meters, one will never observe background concentration (unless in vast, completely source/sink free areas such as deserts or polar ice caps), but at higher elevations (say >40 meters) one can get close. Still, also at those elevations, one measures a CO2 concentration signal that is far from “Mauna Loa-like”. If one uses the daily period between 2–4 PM, however, one gets a reasonable average CO2 concentration and seasonal cycle. At much lower elevations, such as all the measurements used in the article, however, this is doomed to fail. (2) The difference in atmospheric behaviour in summer and winter. Generally, the process of nocturnal inversion and lack of daily mixing is stronger in winter than in summer. This is the reason why CO2 take-up through photosynthesis is much harder to observe than CO2 production through organic material decay and respiration: During the day in summer the atmosphere tends to be well-mixed, and the CO2 loss to photo-synthesis is diluted in the total atmosphere, whereas during night in winter the decay and respiration only mix into a thin layer of atmosphere and are thus clearly visible as considerable increase of the CO2 concentration.
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the GAS ANALYSIS BY ERNST-GEORG BECK; if wrong maybe true I haved looked but that is not to mix it up with the data taken for 180 years that he is Analyzing, to be wrong ! 500 ppm. up and down mixing never the same any where. .<" src="
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Hi Loren,

Sorry for the delay in responding to this. Regarding the article by Meijer, I believe what he's trying to say is that for accurate CO2 readings that are relevant to the global situation, it's necessary to take samples from high mountain peaks such as Mauna Loa. Other readings are difficult to draw conclusions from, because of many confounding effects. I'm not saying it wouldn't be possible to get some useful information from historical readings such as Beck is reviewing, but there's always going to be an element of uncertainty.

The Climategate fiasco surely does make the IPCC & other global warming scientists look really bad, and what's worst is that they aren't willing to admit how disastrous it has been for their "consensus building" project. On the other side of the coin, most of the GW detractors get funding from oil & gas companies or car companies. It's almost impossible to find an objective, honest scientist working on the question.

FWIW, Hansen's most serious concern is that there might be some sort of runaway positive feedback effect that could get triggered, releasing huge amounts of carbon into the atmosphere from peat bogs, deep ocean sediments, dying forests, and other sources shown in your drawing above. It's hard to evaluate a speculative hypothesis like that.

About the ice core data, it's widely respected and it does show a high correlation between CO2 concentration and proxies for global average temperature. But, the temperature seems to lead rather than lag CO2, suggesting that temperature is the cause and CO2 is the effect, rather than vice versa. I'm sure you'd like this report by Francesco Gil-White:

http://www.hirhome.com/climate_change/global_warming01.htm

Loren, you've also pointed out that AGW activists tend to favor either nuclear power, population reduction or both, as solutions for the problem; whereas I would advocate simpler living, solar & wind power and cold fusion R&D, as no-regrets approaches.

I don't know the full truth about AGW, and I'm not convinced anyone does. It's too easy to get swept up in propaganda for one side or the other.
 

lorenhough

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Greeting DR. Jerry Russell,

Thank you for helping Joe A and taking the time to be on GMedia. Also thanks, to let me be a small part of trying to help also. Lets keep a eye on co2 but see there is bigger problems that need to be fixed like man made pu that they mix up with back ground and bananas .

We only need to find one contradiction inThere most fundamental assumption, to find out some one not telling the truth, then there entire argument collapses!

The most fundamental assumption of the AGW hypothesis is that 'MAN MADE' CO2 concentrations plays an important role producing in major shifts in planetary temperatures by 'rising over 350 pm' which they say has "NEVER happed IN THE PAST [ over 350 ppm]; we have proof this is not true form plant fossils. And co2 chemical analyses. Contradiction! 4 min int0 part 4 Randall shows in there own ice core data that it was up to 500ppm! Contradiction, some one must be wrong.

There most serious concern is that there might be some sort of runaway positive feedback effect that could get triggered,{which they say has my never happened in the past][ some say it has?], releasing huge amounts of carbon into the atmosphere from peat bogs, deep ocean sediments, dying forests, and other sources shown in your drawing above. If so did it really run away. Its ok now. Look it came back.
Contradiction!

AND THE ONLY PROOF THEY HAVE IS ICE CORES. watch the 4th video above in the 1st few min. Randall talks to that issue and why ice cores are not reliable , as the atmospheric pressure increases per depth.
Contradiction!

It turns out that CO2 ppm was higher; up to 500 ppm+; SO the entire argument collapses.

For in this case human production of CO2 cannot be responsible for current global warming.

Becouse the temperature does lead rather than lag CO2, means that temperature is 'the cause' and CO2 is the effect, rather than vice versa. In there own records.
Contradiction! SO the entire argument collapses

I will show more about fossil records later. Randall says it all if you really want it from the horses mouth. Notice Randall's website and Jan's at Gnostic media link.


The same people who own the oil co.'s own the carbon tax banks, they have all their bases covered. Controlled opposition; How will the energy oil gas coal guys make $ selling less? o ya raise the price, + using carbon tax to save the world and move to china. so the oil guys are on board. The sky is falling! and the world is in austerity. well not everybody some will be living high on the HOG>
or should I say geo-engineering high attitude contrails what who and why are they spraying? Wall st journal said they can make it rain in s Arabia, all most any time they want . who effects the weather? controls the world in secret. Caesars new religion is a lie ssssss don't tell.

Loren

ps when the banks wanted the federal reserve in 1913 they pretended not to want it.
 
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Hi Loren,

My "DR" is in psychology, so I'm as much as a layman as anybody when it comes to climate science. But, Carlson's video (at 4 minutes in) is just showing that there were a few outlier points in that ice-core sample from one particular location, and those few outliers had very wide error bars. I'd say it would be reasonable to just throw those points out, and it doesn't necessarily follow that the entire ice core technique is worthless. It certainly doesn't justify the conclusion that those few points prove that co2 actually has ever been 500ppm over the last several hundred thousand years.

I agree that carbon tax is an ineffective boondoggle at best, murderously regressive austerity at worst.

Geo-engineering is an unknown wild card. I haven't looked into it much, so what I have to say is just so much wild speculation. But, if it is happening, wouldn't the effect be to inject aerosols into the stratosphere, which would be a strategy designed to combat AGW? What if that's the reason the oligarchs are doing it? And how do we know it isn't working (at least in some madcap half-baked fashion, similar to Fed money printing keeping the economy alive?) That is, maybe it will work until it doesn't any more.
 

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Hi Loren,
At the end of the video, Carlson claims that there is 200-year-old atmospheric sample data that contradicts widely-accepted ice core data regarding pre-industrial CO2 concentration. Well, umm, maybe?....
hi Jerry

Part 4 above is were he gets into the evidence; 12 min in part 4 Carlson talks about evid. for higher and very variable c02 by the best way to get evid. the chemical method. this show that after ww2 co2 goes down when its is said to go up. ?? they take it as gospel that co2 has not ever!! been over 300 ppm. also he talks .

15 min in about how it takes up to a 1000 years for snow to turn in to ice from where there ice core samples are coming from. and how it gases off. and that air bubble from the south pole does not represent what was on ave on the earth at that time. which is a huge leap of faith.

21 min in C show how co2 always follows heat . for me this is the smoking gun;

23 min c talks about gores graft & how it was skewed.

27 min show the real chart show clearly the co2 always follow heat.

56 min in he uses ice core mes. to see true temperature in the past not the same as there telling us.

1;05 min he talk about the ice that was in Kansas 14,000 yrs ago was when we had our last real warming.

1:10 he talks about how they only want to look at man made and not natural forces for climate change; which may not be good; for not to understand the big picture is to be not prepared for, he goes on to say that in history we learn that the weather is 'always' changing [not the same as they say ] and has big effects on us. Showing how in history warming is always good and colder is very bad for us.

1;13 min talks about Antarctic ice, the ice show us that it is getting warmer since the last ice age.

1;16 says more polar bears in the last best count.

1;22 he talks bout who is in there camp, and whos funding like oil co. you will find the oil guys funding both sides. One must do your home work on this. hope this helps

Published on Sep 16, 2012
As a professional designer/builder, student of Sacred Geometry and long time Freemason, Randall Carlson is uniquely qualified to interpret the hidden meaning of the great masterpieces of mystical architecture. It is his aspiration to affect a revival of lost knowledge towards the goal of creating the new world based upon universal principles of harmony, freedom, and spiritual evolution. Randall emphasizes the cyclical nature of time and the periodic catastrophes responsible for the collective amnesia of our species. He'll discuss cosmic events and recapitulate disaster scenarios. In the member's hours, Randall talks about impact events and ancient foreknowledge of coming catastrophe. We'll discuss where we presently are in the cycle of catastrophe, climate change, water cycles and interglacial periods. Randall explains how we are much more likely to head into a cold period. We'll end discussing dark and golden ages and their literal meanings.

http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/

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Hi Loren,

My "DR" is in psychology, so I'm as much as a layman as anybody when it comes to climate science.
more.
hi jerry

I have a bs psych and 2 minors in phil and bio.

I think the best science for understanding people is history.

jerry said; But, if it is happening, wouldn't the effect be to inject aerosols into the stratosphere, which would be a strategy designed to combat AGW? What if that's the reason the oligarchs are doing it? And how do we know it isn't working (at least in some madcap half-baked fashion, similar to Fed money printing keeping the economy alive?) That is, maybe it will work until it doesn't any more.

asking why 1st can keep u from looking, better to ask 'why last; who where what when why then you know how

dr. teller dr strange love made a big bomb H. said lets put aluminum dust in the air to make a better environment for radio microwaves. can you say agent orange mr Monsanto from the sky? history. etc.

I know there not spraying in Uruguay is the only place I know for sure.

there has been people say they have collected rain after seein them in the sky; had it tested and it had high aluminum content ..

as a side, I had the Fluoride from the sack in my home town WDep. from china (china doesn't put it in its water) tested and found high amounts of aluminum that's not good for you.

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do you know what just one speck of aluminum will do in your lungs? here major gen Stubblebine talking here about just that;
lorenhough
The Ongoing Fukushima Crises, Major General Albert Stubblebine III & Dr Rima Laibow, Find out why they moved to the southern hemisphere to live! or??

20 min in his 911 discovery [I was to fly that day. had to rent car to get home]
31 min genocide, useless eaters, he says they want 90% to be gone! [they made a moive about burt to make him the fool][looking at goats]
37 min in warns about vaccines autism delta workers,
39 min how genocide is done.
41 min. Fuckushima; radiation in water food soil in usa. turning off all gov. detectors. info about japan,
47 min the gen. has new book were radiation around many nuke plants is higher then Tokyo in usa.
49 min new religion to be happy to die for the earth.
51 min. talks about gnostic media.
56 min wipp new mex deep underground deposit for nuke waste with I love you with fire there in on valentines day ya.
104 min gen talks about deep underground cites Caesars says why?
108 gmo
111 min humpty dumpty

**112 min in 'chem trails' [mixing with radiation ] what 'aluminum' does in your lungs at 7 mic. usnews what going to happen? [ keep dust down in your house take shoes off use hepa filters.LH ] Fires?

*** 118 min fukushima omg!
131 min. the lost word NO on mass.
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General Albert Stubblebine & Dr Rima Laibow
2 June 2014

General Bert is a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy (West Point, class of 52) who enjoyed a distinguished 32 year career in the U.S. Army. He retired as the Commanding General of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Prior to this assignment he commanded the US Army Electronics Research and Development Command (ERADCOM). During his active duty career he commanded soldiers at every level. After his retirement he served as the VP for Intelligence Systems with BDM, a major defense contractor. He has brought these experiences to leading-edge medical research and development in collaboration with his wife Rima E. Laibow, M.D.

He is a long-term out-of-the-box thinker who redesigned the U.S. Army’s Intelligence Architecture while serving as the Commanding General of the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. This intelligence restructuring earned him his place in the Intelligence Hall of Fame.
Among his other accomplishments, he participated in a special task force which defined the requirements of the U.S. Army for future conflict. Many of the innovations he developed helped the U.S. to conduct the First Gulf War effectively and swiftly with a very low casualty rate.
Having defended his country for 32 years and having then worked for the remainder of his career to build better ways of being and becoming well, Bert is determined not to let the forces which are threatening American’s health freedoms prevail. Formerly a warrior for America’s military, now he is a warrior for America’s health and personal freedom.

Urgent Warning: Fukushima Estimate of Situation!
With Maj. Gen. Burt Stubblebine III

.….thinking About moving to the southern hemisphere.. To escape the continuing accumulating radiation…that You're being exposed to in the environment. Gen Burt has moved to chile. He tells you why here.. Gen. Burt tells us to move to South Hemisphere at the very end of this video.

.Dr. Simon Atkins, CEO, A. F. C. On the next topic speaks more about his expertise of weather and the exchange between the northern and have southern hemisphere of radiation…and why there so much less radiation, In the environment of the southern hemisphere..

He also talks about why he moved his family To South America..
http://radiationdebate.com/for…..tion-japan

Urgent Warning: Fuk u shima Estimate of Situation!

With Maj. Gen. Burt Stubblebine III
Is about 20 minutes long… One of the most important information you will ever hear.. For the future of your family, friends and yourself!
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy59HAUx7Vc

http://www.thevinnyeastwoodsho…..-june-2014
 
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Hi Loren,


Geo-engineering is an unknown wild card. I haven't looked into it much, so what I have to say is just so much wild speculation. But, if it is happening, wouldn't the effect be to inject aerosols into the stratosphere, which would be a strategy designed to combat AGW?

What if that's the reason the oligarchs are doing it?

And how do we know it isn't working (at least in some madcap half-baked fashion, similar to Fed money printing keeping the economy alive?) That is, maybe it will work until it doesn't any more.
HI Jerry

HERE IS 1 resson, TO KEEP rad dust OUT OF THE SOUTH H ETC. BETTER NOT TO BREATH in the north & THEY CLEAN THERE WATER AND eat clean FOOD.

Radioactive rain
As such, no one can say for sure what will happen to people in the contaminated zone in five or ten years, or what diseases they may get.
He believes aircraft should be used to release reagents over the radioactive clouds, causing radionuclides to fall into the ocean in rain.

The deadly clouds released by the explosion at Chernobyl could have reached Moscow and other large industrial centers otherwise, but reagents were used to stimulate rain near Tula, Ryazan, Bryansk and Kaluga.

The current situation is simpler in one way: The ocean is much better at neutralizing radioactive particles than the soil.
The views expressed in this article are the author’s and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

Radioactive Rain Over Pacific Will Save Lives - Eurasia Review
www.eurasiareview.com/18032011-radioactive-rain-over-pacific-will...
Radioactive Rain Over Pacific Will ... Environmental expert Alexei Yablokov said ... this is the first time in human history that several reactors have been ...
look up and look like typology when you know what to look for; you can see it if its there! don't say well the planes have window so there just normal air-'craft' AS MECARTHER AWARDED FRIEND SAID TO ME.
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Loren,

Where did you get those pictures of what appears to be a commercial jetliner that has been modified to release chemtrails?
 

lorenhough

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Loren,

Where did you get those pictures of what appears to be a commercial jetliner that has been modified to release chemtrails?
P>O>E

Jerry

see this; https://www.google.com/search?q=modified air planes chemtrails&biw=1366&bih=641&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=tAMBVdrXH4KwogSe4oCICw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

also wislel blowers https://www.google.com/search?q=modified air planes chemtrails wislel bloweres&biw=1607&bih=754&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=fQcBVd2LH5WxogTEooKgDg&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAA&dpr=0.85#q=modified airplanes chemtrails whistleblowers&spell=1


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A government report just ... These involved US and UK military scientists spraying ... The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare ...

"project paperclip" "project overcast" "evergreen air base" "chemtrails" "climate engineering" "geo-engineering" "project cloverleaf" "geoengineering chemical-trails" "aluminum barium spraying" "agenda 21" "nwo" "great culling" "population control" "population culling" "new world order" "Illuminati eugenics" "crown jewel" "Muad'Dib" "project future earth" "climate modification" "operation future earth" "operation cloverleaf" "operation overcast" "operation Muad'Dib

Climate scientists convene global geo-engineering summit; a dr friend was at this and told about it'
Meeting in California in March will discuss possible field trials of schemes that would tackle climate change by reflecting sunlight or fertilising the ocean with iron

Geo-engineering techniques, such as filling the sky with shiny dust to reflect sunlight, could curb such temperature rises without the need to restrict greenhouse gas emissions Ben Curtis/AP
Tuesday 12 January 2010

Scientists are to hold a high-level summit to discuss how the world could take emergency measures such as blocking out the sun to slow dangerous global warming.

Experts from around the world have been invited to attend the meeting in March in California, which will examine possible field trials of so-called geo-engineering schemes, such as pumping chemicals into the air and oceans to combat climate change.

Mike MacCracken, a global warming expert at the Climate Institute in Washington DC, , said: "Most of the talk about these geo-engineering techniques say they should be saved until we get to an emergency situation. Well the people of the Arctic might say they are in an emergency situation now."

Geo-engineering techniques, such as filling the sky with shiny dust to reflect sunlight, could curb such temperature rises without the need to restrict greenhouse gas emissions. The meeting aims to assess risks and benefits, establish ground rules for research and plan experiments that would be needed before a full scale geo-engineering attempt.
Calls for such research have increased as pessimism grows about the likely course of global warming.

In an influential report last year, the Royal Society, Britain's premier scientific academy, concluded that geo-engineering methods that block out the sun "may provide a potentially useful short-term back-up to mitigation in case rapid reductions in global temperature are needed".

Bob Watson, chief scientist at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, told the Guardian in November he backed such research. Watson said. "I think it should be a real international effort, so it isn't just the UK funding it."

MacCracken said: "If there is going to be funding for this kind of research and you are someone in the UK government, then what kind of safeguards do you want to have in place that nothing can go wrong? Because if something does go wrong then you could be up before parliament or worse."
He added: "We also have to be mindful about how we communicate these ideas to the public because some of them can sound a little like Doctor Strangelove."


if you live in the country you get sprayed in the spring every year, as it floats to your house near by; on your garden, animals, water etc. Quick run in side do not breath life style; hard too stop; its 'strange' as farmers seem to 'love' it.

Dr. Strangelove
or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, is a 1964 political satire black comedy film;

Edward Teller
(January 15, 1908 – September 9, 2003) was a Hungarian-born American theoretical physicist "the father of the hydrogen bomb".

He was a vigorous advocate of Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative.

Global Climate Change;

Teller was one of the first prominent people to raise the danger of climate change driven by the burning of fossil fuels. At the American Chemical Society in December 1957, Teller warned that the large amount of carbon-based fuel that had been burned was increasing the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which would "act in the same way as a greenhouse and will raise the temperature at the surface",he had calculated that if the concentration reached 10% "an appreciable part of the polar ice might melt."

Idaho Observer: CHEMTRAILS: Nationwide reports indicate ...
We know aerial spraying that results in "chemtrails," Dr. Edward Teller wrote a white paper about refractory agents using aluminum.
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