The Trumputin versus Globalists False Dialectic

Richard Stanley

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The following is the first draft of my 'concise' perspective of the Trump tableau. Note that I have created the dialectic distinction of neoRome and neoZealot.

Presumed points of agreement:
  1. Trump is a high-order criminal, no matter the lens of perspective
  2. There is a 'global' network of individuals pressing for increased Globalization (neoRome)
    1. Those with the most influence appear to have little concern with various profiteering leading inevitably to income inequity and large scale economic disruption to vulnerable segments
  3. There is a looser global coalition of cultural nationalists of both Right and Left stripes (neoZealots), (imperfectly) known variously as populists, 'patriots', NRA gun rights zealots, race nationalists, evangelicals, progressives, etc.
    1. Many of this diverse coalition are Putophiles [sic], based upon various motivations (more below)
    2. Per Vladimir Pozner, 'America' (the Real Deep State) created today's Putin. (more below)
Points of departure:
  1. Trump is indeed an 'actor' (a so-called Lifetime Actor), either witting (most likely IMO) or unwitting, ultimately working for the corrupt Globalist enterprise
    1. The propagandic obverse of George Washington, Trump cannot tell the Truth
    2. The Globalist enterprise is an historical continuum, operating on the hundreds of globalist expressions found in the Bible, the cultural backbone of Western Civilization (which includes the (fake) East, e.g. Russia
    3. As such Trump is reprising the roles of Samson, the curious (double) agent of chaos, and an agent of one of the Beasts of Revelation (in a Futurist millennial interpretation)
      1. This branding is what provides Trump strong political purchase amongst his Low Church religious base
    4. Trump has masterfully adapted fascio-populist messaging (ala Hitler) and co-opted disaffected white elements of the Democratic base (ala Bill Clinton)
  2. A key common component of Putophilia is: "the perceived enemy of my enemy (e.g. the American/Globalist Deep State) is obviously my friend"
    1. Putin is portrayed domestically, including by the Orthodox Church, as a literal apocalyptic millennial messiah
    2. Putin plays the role of a foil, where via numerous circumstances Judaic Israel cannot fulfill this specific role as the 'West's' institutional antithesis
      1. 'America' (writ large) indeed 'created' Putin
        1. If you don't have a sufficient enemy for the globalist task at hand, you must create one
          1. So, provide the pretexts, such as the Wolfowitz Doctrine
        2. Such synthetic foils creates the justification for increased military budgets, pretexts for various foreign deployments and 'defense' missions, leading to third party weapons sales, i.e. profits
 
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Jerry Russell

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Trump is indeed an 'actor' (a so-called Lifetime Actor), either witting (most likely IMO) or unwitting, ultimately working for the corrupt Globalist enterprise
I'm not sure how it's possible to be an unwitting 'Lifetime Actor'. I agree that Trump's interests & actions are well aligned with the "Globalist enterprise". He seems to be a perfect choice for that shadowy entity that is re-enacting the Book of Revelation, if indeed there is such an entity. But i don't think the evidence is solid enough to convince a Bayesian naysayer like some people we know.

Furthermore, I can't help but imagine that we would have come up with some sort of Biblical narrative for Hillary, if she had won. I admit it's hard to believe that it would be as good a parallel.

A key common component of Putophilia is: "the perceived enemy of my enemy (e.g. the American/Globalist Deep State) is obviously my friend"
We have to ask, first of all, in what sense was Putin 'created' by the "Globalist Deep State". On the one hand, it's possible that he has been a secret asset of this "Deep State" ever since his KGB days, and was deliberately selected by Yeltsin exactly because of his reliable alliance to that cause. In that case, Putin's public enmity to the American aspect of that Globalist Deep State would be completely fake, a matter of "perception" only.

But I don't think that's what Pozner was saying. He sees Russia as a genuine outsider to the West, and believes that Putin was force into his role by US and European actions. If that's correct, then Putin is not just a perceived enemy of America and the Globalist Deep State, but he is an actual enemy.

It's possible that Putin could be a friend of the Globalist Deep State, and an enemy to America, at the same time. Maybe the true home of the Globalist Deep State has never moved from Rome. Or, maybe it will move next to some underground lair in Argentina.

Whether Putin is only a perceived enemy of America, or an actual enemy, in either case the nuclear weapons and missiles are real. And so are the propaganda machines on both sides, whipping up enthusiasm for this upcoming war. Russophobia and Russiagate are propaganda tools of war hawks.

If Putin is America's enemy, does that make him my friend? Not hardly. Undoubtedly, he has a nuke targeted for the Eugene airport, three miles from my house. Nothing personal, I'm sure.
 
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Richard Stanley

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One would also have to consider the word "directly" when parsing this legalese. I don't see it as a general fishing license.
Surely any legal challenge would examine the use of the word 'directly' as well 'any'. As to 'any' this has always been the concern for opponents of so-called independent investigations, because they have been able to go off in all sorts of tangential directions.

As to 'direct' the issue then becomes what possible quid pro quo might be involved between Trump and various Russians and their government. We are talking here about an individual with massive amounts of money flow with Russians (as publicly stated by one of his sons) and who lied, during the late campaign, that he had no business interests after having just signed a 'business' letter of intent to proceed with Trump Moscow. In my book this is "direct', and those aspects are not the end of the story.

I'm not sure how it's possible to be an unwitting 'Lifetime Actor'. I agree that Trump's interests & actions are well aligned with the "Globalist enterprise". He seems to be a perfect choice for that shadowy entity that is re-enacting the Book of Revelation, if indeed there is such an entity. But i don't think the evidence is solid enough to convince a Bayesian naysayer like some people we know.
While it seems counter-intuitive to consider the 'unwitting' possibility, the narratives of Trump's days from childhood do seem consistent with that he is a born pathological liar, a narcissist and psychopath, and that the 'nurture' component may have fed into this rather than mitigate such tendencies. He was born with not only a golden spoon in his mouth but a golden butt plug as well; made an entitled, literal millionaire by the age of eight. As such, he could easily have been profiled, such as to be steered to believe that he had this destiny to fulfill. Maybe he got to watch the TV show made especially for him, where the con man Trump fake saves a town and wants to build a wall in doing so.

Maybe plausible deniability was invented to deal with Bayesians eh? And, I wonder what percentage of Bayesians limit their analyses to surface narrative (e.g. official stories, etc.) versus allowing the possibilities of hidden agendas to guide historical affairs?

Furthermore, I can't help but imagine that we would have come up with some sort of Biblical narrative for Hillary, if she had won. I admit it's hard to believe that it would be as good a parallel.
"If she had won". There is no 'if' in my book. The Republican Party primary process and the Fox and Breitbart noise machines made him the preferred candidate, while Hillary had too many negatives going in, and failed to campaign in key areas - against advice.

Do we have election audit ability for the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? Or any other 'swing' state for that matter?

But I don't think that's what Pozner was saying. He sees Russia as a genuine outsider to the West, and believes that Putin was force into his role by US and European actions. If that's correct, then Putin is not just a perceived enemy of America and the Globalist Deep State, but he is an actual enemy.
You are correct that Pozner was not implying this, but I agree with his words in any case. If Putin is sincerely, now, an antagonist then America, as neoRome, created the enemy it wanted. But still, I'm pretty sure Putin is schmart enough to understand the Great Game.

I'm sure that such as the NYT and the WaPo would dissallow that Putin is such an actor, so should you?

The evidence that the USSR was a controlled opposition front is pretty strong IMHO. Evidenced by such as how many complete purges Stalin had of his intel agencies top strata. How many hih level traitors to the cause could they have had? And Putin rose out of all that, from the KGB.

Whether Putin is only a perceived enemy of America, or an actual enemy, in either case the nuclear weapons and missiles are real. And so are the propaganda machines on both sides, whipping up enthusiasm for this upcoming war. Russophobia and Russiagate are propaganda tools of war hawks.
Fear is the stampede lubricant of the masses. That's what makes for more Dead Presidents. The junior countries become forced to choose sides, take in military and economic advisors, and then the Dead Presidents party.

If Putin is America's enemy, does that make him my friend? Not hardly. Undoubtedly, he has a nuke targeted for the Eugene airport, three miles from my house. Nothing personal, I'm sure.
Well, you are exceptional in this regard.

In any case the Wolfowitz Doctrine has been darkly successful for the profiteers, as was the infamous PNAC document talking about a need for a new Pearl Harbor.
 

Richard Stanley

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Alright Jerry, here it is, my outline of the Trump tableau, framed as Trump (and his frenemy, Vladimir Putin) against the Globalists. The real dialectic is the global elites (including the so-called 'American' Deep State, Trump and Putin) against everyone else.

(I still need to add the (The Intercept and Wikileaks) data leaks tableau into all this.)

Presumed points of agreement:
  1. Trump is a grifting criminal, no matter the lens of perspective
  2. There is a 'global' network of individuals pressing for increased Globalization (neoRome)
    1. Those with the most influence appear to have little to no concern with various incidental profiteering, leading inevitably to income inequity and large scale economic disruption to vulnerable segments
      1. In fact, the historical and present class inequality is parlayed upon
  3. There is a looser 'global' coalition of respective cultural nationalists of both Right and Left stripes (neoZealots), (imperfectly) known variously as populists, 'patriots', gun rights zealots, race nationalists, evangelicals, nationalist-progressives, etc.
    1. Many of this coalition are Putophiles [sic], based upon various motivations (more below)
    2. Per Vladimir Pozner, 'America' (directly or indirectly) created today's Putin. (more below)
Presumed points of departure:
  1. The Globalist enterprise is an historical (and genetic) continuum, operating on the hundreds of globalist expressions found in the Bible, the cultural backbone of Western Civilization (which includes the (fake) East, e.g. Russia)
  2. Trump is an 'actor' (a so-called Lifetime Actor), either witting (most likely IMO) or unwitting, ultimately working for the corrupt Globalist enterprise
    1. The propagandic obverse of George Washington, Trump cannot tell the Truth (because he is not supposed to)
    2. Trump is typologically reprising the roles of Samson, the curious (double) agent of Chaos, and an agent of one of the Beasts of Revelation (in a Futurist millennial interpretation)
      1. This branding is what provides Trump strong political purchase amongst his Low Church, fundamentalist religious base, aka the New Zealots, nationalists to be sacrificed in the furtherance of the Globalist enterprise
    3. Trump has masterfully adapted fascio-populist messaging (ala Hitler) and co-opted disaffected white elements of the Democratic base (via the Clinton stench)
  3. A key common component of Putophilia is: "the perceived enemy of my enemy (e.g. the American/Globalist Deep State) is obviously my friend"
    1. Putin is portrayed domestically, including by the Orthodox Church, as a literal apocalyptic millennial messiah
    2. Putin plays the role of a foil, where via numerous circumstances contemporary Judaic Israel cannot fulfill this specific role as the 'West's' institutional antithesis
      1. 'America' (writ large) indeed 'created' Putin
        1. If you don't have a sufficient enemy for the globalist task at hand, you must create one
          1. So, provide the pretexts, such as the Wolfowitz Doctrine
        2. Such synthetic foils creates the justification for increased military budgets, pretexts for various foreign deployments and 'defense' missions, leading to third party weapons sales, i.e. profits
 
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Richard Stanley

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The first video below is Robert Reich in a discussion where he lays out the proper dialectic of the elites versus everybody else, and that the old Right / Left dialectic is bankrupt. It mostly always was a sham IMHO.

The second is from the populist right Duran where they take this approach, albeit as far as I can tell they haven't completely figured out that Trump is a fake populist, just as the Clintons et al. are fake populists. Maybe I am wrong on this though, as I have only a limited exposure to what they may have said?


Don't be fooled by Coronavirus in the title.
 

Richard Stanley

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The following is an interesting articulation by Ken of the notion that Trump is the Globalist's Antichrist while Putin is their Christ (which the Russian Orthodox Church also proclaims): http://redefininggod.com/2019/12/chabad-rabbi-greets-trump-as-a-jewish-king-a-repost-of-israels-chief-sephardic-rabbi-confirms-putin-is-a-jew/

My term Trumputin implies, superficially at least, that the original bromance was 'real'. It's fraying now, but we have to remember that Jesus parlayed with his 'brother' by a different mother, Satan in the desert, and Hitler had that 'non-agression' period with Stalin.
 

Richard Stanley

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The following discussion by The Duran shows the problem with sticking to the surface narratives, of so and so is allied or against whom.

The discussion first focuses on Putin's unhappiness with recent European attempts to change the WWII script in their favor. All of which, fails to consider that Hitler, Stalin, et al. seem to have been operating with other (hidden) agendas in mind. The discussion moves on Putin's relationship with Trump and touches on terrorism. Mercouris mentions the US intel tip off to Russia about a terrorist operation, but then can't grok why the US is yet in bed with the Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, ISIS terrorist combine. He thus feels to compelled to assert that US (no doubt Deep State) intel operatives are still up to evil shenanigans against the wishes of Chief Squawattle. Chief Squawattle is not able, for some reason, to say Fuck No!! This despite Mercouris is sure that Chief Squawattle is dead set against terrorism, and he really would like better relations with Russia. Of which, even Bernie will not openly, at least, support.

But, we know that the Islamic terror enterprise was started back in the times of WWI (via Kaiser Wilhelm, Max von Oppenheim, and the last of the Ottomans), which the Nazis continued, and then passed onto the USA's covert operators, the seeming new masters of the ever globalizing empire.

The real PTB wanted both world wars, and if they didn't have Hitler and Stalin at hand they would have used somebody(s) else. I see no reason to dispute Suvorov's Soviet archive researched claims in his Icebreaker that Stalin abandoned his massive defensive line to race Hitler to attack the other first. Without which the Germans could not have made such rapid initial advances, even with their horse-drawn [sic] supply lines.

Once the Cold War was entered, the generally hidden royal scions of the real PTB eventually delivered the West into the hands of Neoliberal economic and political policies, which have so polarized the modern world, again. This is the way that Divide and Conquer works, you don't openly tell the peeps that they are being so manipulated, otherwise the 'magic' deception is ruined.

 

Richard Stanley

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In the following excerpt from redefininggod.com, Ken provides an example of how the false East/West dialectic is constructed, via the mindfucking done by numerous paid operatives in widespread media outlets. The excerpt is from a long page dedicate to Putin.

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VETERANS TODAY AND DIALECTIC PROPAGANDA
Now that we’ve explored what Putin and the BRICS are really about, it’s time to turn our attention back to the laughably absurd Veterans Today article that inspired this essay. As we look upon it, let’s make some observations, address some key points, and find a reason for hope.
POINT 1 — The first thing of note is the author, Preston James, who describes himself as a Social Psychologist with “numerous” intel contacts.

prestonsp
If you wanted to mindfuk a person – change his or her thoughts, feelings, and behaviors using social stimuli conveyed through mass media – whom would you employ? Why, a social psychologist of course. The controlled mainstream and alternative media are all staffed by such professional mindfukers. Their bios will show a background in psychology, intelligence, think tanks, and/or military psywar. Just have a look at who else sits on the Veterans Today Editorial Board of Directors

khrus
It’s important to realize that when you read Veterans Today, you are subjecting yourself to psywar. Their job is to mindfu*k you into accepting both the East/West geopolitical dialectic and the Christ/Antichrist spiritual dialectic.
POINT 2 — Take note of the fearful imagery…
horsemen
…and fearful words they use in the article…
>>> And these “most evil criminals in history” fully realize that in order to take over the whole World they will eventually need to establish their own centralized massive military forces and secret police power.
Most normal folks would define such crimes against humanity as raw tyranny and psychopathy beyond imagination.
And that is exactly what the system is that these Globalists are trying to engender, Worldwide Tyranny and their own 24/7 surveillance system coordinated together to produce what is best described as a virtual boot in the face of all humanity 24 hours a day, seven days a week with no end ever. [“with no end ever”: this sounds like hell, doesn’t it, and hell is the same concept they use to scare you in the Christ/Antichrist dialectic] <<<
Fear is a very powerful force within the human psyche, and it is the mind-killer. If they can keep you in fear and present you with a simple good guys vs. bad guys fairy tale that requires no thought, they are doing your thinking for you. You can no longer afford to allow that. Here is something I previously wrote about their use of fear in the East/West dialectic…

As such, use the false dialectic filter of Ken's and mine to view the following recent documentary series, ironically(?) named Bosom Bullies. The two segments are a good history of the Trumputin history, with balanced commentary from Eastern and Western individuals, at least regarding the surface narrative. Left out, of course, is the older developmental history context regarding players like Kissinger, Nixon, and others.

 
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