The Third Industrial Revolution

Richard Stanley

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Jeremy Rifkin lays out his case for the next Industrial Revolution, underway right now. This addresses issues of climate change, labor utilization, 5G, generational cultural transformation of worldview and behaviors, etc.. Near the end he discusses how developing countries will make rapid leap-frogging changes, driven largely by women, that will flatten population growth as discussed elsewhere. Also discussed are the considerable issues that must be dealt with politically. The good news is that all this will require several generations of human workers to implement.

At about 1H:05 he discusses how the revolution will necessarily destroy the traditional social hierarchy. So long Claude's Fascism, we hardly knew ye?

Rifkin was also involved with the Chinese, who apparently were enamored of the concept, and as such Rifkin claims that the Belt and Road Initiative is part of the Chinese plan to implement. If so, is the current tense situation with China really being driven, wholy or partly, a backlash from the global Second Industrial (Fossil Fuel) Revolution players desire to maintain their dying status quo?

 
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Claude Badley

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Jeremy Rifkin is a crook - as he preaches the idea of entropy-as-decay in a finite (Einsteinian) universe, and so is Walter Benjamin, that chess-chump in a dwarf machine. They are part of the problem, not the solution, being part of the Judaeo-Christian elites. But I'll have to finish the video first, lest PC Principal intervene with complaints about me drawing Einstein into economics thru Cartmanesque outbursts.:rolleyes:

And yes, he peddles the Big Bang entropy-decay prejudice here too - along with fanciful beliefs in free power from zero marginal cost. He thinks the internet will allow everyone to "produce their own solar and wind" power (42 mins). Total BS! "Energy flow through value chains", classic Rifkiin-speak, ignores the price of energy and the fact that small renewable-energy generators will go broke (due to market shrinkage from unemployment and low wages among the consumers) and be taken over by rent-seeking financial organizations which will grow by scooping up all these small renewable-energy companies. This is because the notion of local energy production producing enough for local needs is BS, meaning that larger-scale organization is required.

Here Rifkin exhibits typical Jewish cultural prejudices - an overweening optimism combined with the ability to manipulate the chumps into believing the future will be ever better (and so securing mob-rule i.e. democratic support) without admitting that this will only be for the few, such as the very rich he described at the beginning, and whose wealth he dare not touch - because they pay him to spout his optimistic BS!

At 38 minutes he invokes Adam Smith's individual actions somehow leading, collectively, to a better future. The claim is BS since the new enterprises have no ability to sustain themselves since the profit-motive has ended with zero marginal cost. Fall in wages and increased unemployment are ignored entirely where he extols driverless cars etc.

Methane from cows is nonsense - rice paddies produce even more methane; methane has a half-life of less than 10 years in the atmosphere, unlike CO2. His vegetarianism is lies and deceit, as well as pandering to Peter Singer's animal liberationism.

He ignores Rosa Luxemburg's discovery that when the whole world is capitalist (as is the case today) there is no source for profit, since the ultimate source for capitalist profit is the non-capitalist world, the latter now being reduced to the homeless and the destitute as capitalism monopolizes the remaining land (and sea) worldwide. Instead he babbles about a shared economy where a toy passes from one child to the next (presumably then just an electronic toy on a video screen since real toys wear out), an entirely fanciful conception of access and networks providing the answers to humanity's difficulties. Rifkin's revolution is like Einstein's i.e. just nonsense.

Power does not reside in mere networks; the idea that power devolves into horizontal structures is mere pluralism, a Jewish idea peddled by the likes of W. D. Rubinstein in "The Left, the Right and the Jews" p. 43. The world's resources are scarce therefore there will always be pyramid power relations - the new one will be to protect the biosphere thru new laws, not PC parochial police! The high school kids are not yet clever enough to see thru Rifkin's agenda of creeping privatization and control thru a financial elite who employ parochial PC police and democratic ideology to disempower the 99% thoroughly. The failure of parliaments and ecosystem collapse is worsened thru Rifkin's ideology of networks, democracy and the pluralistic devolution of power. Ordinary people will only wake up when they find their local initiative simply don't work - or they will just die off instead.

How is "fee for service" medicine meant to help those employed in the non-profit economy? These latter will be unpaid slaves, forced to work for food. Young people sharing knowledge? Sharing BS too - but Rifkin provides no way to tell the difference.

100% renewable energy by 2040 is bunk, since only new technology (e.g. B-H fusion) will produce the energy needed by heavily populated areas. Young people who become smarter than Rifkin will want to romper-stomp him thoroughly! :D

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Jerry Russell

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Claude, I agree that there's a lot of wildly optimistic word salad in this presentation, with very little substance.

Wind farms are best at very large scale, solar requires panel locations with sunny southern exposure, and both are very capital intensive. We don't know what the costs are going to be when the windmills & solar panels (and batteries) need to be built themselves with renewable energy. Wind and solar aren't zero marginal cost, any more than information on YouTube. If somehow fossil fuels get phased out in the future, and there's no nuclear replacement, we are going to find ourselves making do with much lower primary energy supplies.

Methane from cows is an issue with massive industrial feedlots, but not so much with sustainable grazing. "Horizontal" and "vertical" structures are always competing, but there's no reason to think current trends are horizontal. I'm not sure why you blame Jews alone for pluralism.

Unlike Einstein's revolution, Rifkin's is just nonsense?
 

Claude Badley

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Happily Jerry, I agree with your first part...
Claude, I agree that there's a lot of wildly optimistic word salad in this presentation, with very little substance.

Wind farms are best at very large scale, solar requires panel locations with sunny southern exposure, and both are very capital intensive. We don't know what the costs are going to be when the windmills & solar panels (and batteries) need to be built themselves with renewable energy. Wind and solar aren't zero marginal cost, any more than information on YouTube. If somehow fossil fuels get phased out in the future, and there's no nuclear replacement, we are going to find ourselves making do with much lower primary energy supplies.
...so I just reduce the size of the text. :cool:
Methane from cows is an issue with massive industrial feedlots, but not so much with sustainable grazing.
Grazing cattle is the normal way in Australia. The methane production by ricefields is very great too - but methane has a half-life of <10 years in the Earth's atmosphere. Arguments for vegetarianism based on that are merely tendentious.
"Horizontal" and "vertical" structures are always competing, but there's no reason to think current trends are horizontal.
Politically, I would infer that 'horizontal' means egalitarian democratic procedures for industry but my interpretation might be quite wrong and very different from what you intend.
I'm not sure why you blame Jews alone for pluralism.
Why? Because while pluralism is also upheld by other elites, it provides the ideological justification allowing Jewish control of large economies despite Jews being a minority in such host countries. As Marx said "the Christians have become Jews" by which he actually meant Protestants, and among them particularly the Evangelicals with their love for Israel and Jews above the chumps who profess their own Christian sectarianism!!!!

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And you complain when I identify the pernicious Judaeo-Christian control over the Western countries????

And you ask why ordinary Christianity, whether Roman Catholic or Putin's Orthodox Russian Church, is a better option than Schofield-Bible-soaked Evangelical Protestantism (a.k.a. Judaeo-Christianity)???????

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Jerry Russell

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Politically, I would infer that 'horizontal' means egalitarian democratic procedures for industry...
I thought Rifkin would include government in that concept, not just industry. But I'm not sure either. Rifkin word salad is hard to decode.

And you ask why ordinary Christianity, whether Roman Catholic or Putin's Orthodox Russian Church, is a better option than Schofield-Bible-soaked Evangelical Protestantism (a.k.a. Judaeo-Christianity)???????
Since most of this post has hardly any connection to Rifkin, I've moved the bulk of it, and replied (briefly) at the "Postflavian Guide to Fascism" thread.
 
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