The Jordan Peterson Biblical Series

Jerry Russell

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I have no idea what this has to do with Jordan Peterson, I think you should post it and this here or on a new thread. Or on the thread about Globalist Warming Denial.
I continued to listen to the Peterson-Zizek debate to the end, and now I'm more confident that this belongs here.

Zizek continued to emphasize his belief that environmental issues are the primary challenge facing civilization today. He says some sort of cooperative international response is necessary. He attacks Peterson's emphasis on personal growth and individual responsibility on that basis.

A rough transcript of the debate is available at this link:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rUhYdqB2Jh7CU5Le0XgktKaoXQmnTdbv0-_kE5BQL6Q/edit

The closest thing I could find to a reply on Peterson's part, is this at 2:12:48:


I believe that a central psychological message of the biblical corpus fundamentally is ... the idea that it's necessary to... confront the devil, and to accept ... the unjustness of your tortured mortality. If you can do that, ... and ... it's a challenge, as you just pointed out, that is sufficient to challenge even God himself -- that you have the you have the best chance of transcending it, and living the kind of life that will set your house in order and everyone's house in order at the same time.

I think this is perhaps the essence of the difference between the Left and the Right, at least as far as Peterson and Zizek are concerned. That is, Peterson's Right is primarily concerned with personal freedom, responsibility, and growth, combined with a strong recommendation to let politics take care of itself. (Of course, in practice that means leaving politics to authoritarian politicians.) Whereas Zizek's Left is looking incoherently to some sort of collaborative social response to civilization's problems, combined with a dearth of effective ideas of how to accomplish that.

I have no idea what this has to do with Jordan Peterson, I think you should post it and this here or on a new thread. Or on the thread about Globalist Warming Denial.
I will compromise as follows: I'll combine those other two threads, and copy some of these posts over to that combined thread. I recommend that specific discussion of Climate Science and Technology continue in the other thread, while discussion about Peterson and/or Zizek's criticism of Peterson, should be posted here.

The new combined "Globalist Warming Denial & the Green New Deal" thread is at this link:

https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/globalist-warming-denial-the-green-new-deal.1536
 
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Richard Stanley

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I continued to listen to the Peterson-Zizek debate to the end, and now I'm more confident that this belongs here.
My objection mainly was motivated by the fact that there was no information provided about the debate that suggested there was any significant discussion of environmental issues, and therefore, that someone not inclined to watch the 3 hour debate, based upon the critiques or otherwise, would get confused about what this thread is really about, i.e. Peterson's curious 'creative' takes on religion -- and that these are even partially endorsed by a Catholic bishop (of Los Angeles).
 

Richard Stanley

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The following is only tangentially related to religion, but I decided to post it here, on my only Peterson thread, because it is a must see show -- Joe Rogan absolutely destroying Peterson. This is the same kind of deficient logic and thinking that Peterson employs in his Biblical analysis.

Pederson starts out on some baseless semantic talking point about liberals wanting equality of outcomes, and then Rogan leads Peterson into admitting that he wants the same thing.

 

Iconn2222

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That is not brain surgery. They are both liberals! Liberty Fraternity and Equality duh.
On Joe the toe Rogan a creature of the CIA with license from Jack Dorsey. Joe Rogan EXPOSED CIA Elon Musk, MAPS, Esalen, Military MK Ultra Brave New World (((IDW))) - YouTube
Joe Rogan EXPOSED CIA Elon Musk, MAPS, Esalen, Military MK Ultra Brave New World (((IDW))) - YouTube

(22) Jordan Peterson Dismantled - YouTube

13 A Consistent Theology – The Magic Bible

Notice Joe Atwil does not go around bashing Catholics. That is because Catholics until they were infiltrated and until 1814 and the readmitting of the Jesuits were anti-liberal crusaders doing Gods work.
Check out the Spanish inquisition for the real truth.
Augustin Barruel - memoirs on the history of jacobinism
Chris Kamen - Spanish Inquisition
 

Richard Stanley

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That is not brain surgery. They are both liberals! Liberty Fraternity and Equality duh.
While it is difficult for various reasons, Jerry and I have tried to divorce ourselves from the freighted terms, Left and Right, Conservative and Liberal. One man's Conservative is another man's Liberal.
Notice Joe Atwil does not go around bashing Catholics. That is because Catholics until they were infiltrated and until 1814 and the readmitting of the Jesuits were anti-liberal crusaders doing Gods work.
I say that the Catholic Church was infiltrated from day one. Atwill refuses to deal with the implications of the 'narrative' (at least) fact that Berenice was in bed with Titus ... and ... and ...

You've been a member of the forum for some time. As such, have you read such as our False Dialectic of Western Civilization or Saussy's Ruler's of Evil? With the latter you will learn the real history of the Protestant nation of the USA, and how those Jesu played a central role, with their controlled opposition friends, the Freemasons.

The Magic Bible looks extremely Liberal to me, and if you have been a reader here much then you'd know that I strongly believe that the Bible is not a History, .... except that it is. It is a highly encrypted and propagandized History, written in a way to allow metaphorical insights to be employed (and also disguise the underlying history).

Others besides me have noticed the seeming paradox of having the Liberal takedown of the Christian paradigm presented by such as Caesar's Messiah followed by Atwill's subsequent neoCatholicism, ranting on and on about the 'vengeful' Jews. As I related to Joe on day, it only makes sense that the age of Jesus is near its end, and it is time for him to be replaced (by Space Jesus, the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss). The Sameness will come from the use of the same dialectic ruse of Divide and Conquer, because humans are just complicated sheep (and/or chimpigs) at the end of each day.

As such, the CM approach focusing on only the gospels allows for the Mythicist critique to profit, and replace the dying late denominational (Liberal) Protestant metaphorical approach to Christianity to live on. It only came to exist because of the historical critiques of the German School). But to take the logical extension to applying the same approach to Josephus forces one to deal with what this encrypted 'Jesus' was all about and expose the False Dialectic.

The dark beauty of this False Dialectic comes from the fact that humans are inveterate tribalists, always wanting to join and root for a team. Joining one team inherently means there must be at least one OTHER team, and that team is 'evil'. One prays to God for help in destroying that OTHER team. And so it goes ...
 

Richard Stanley

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Thx again Sarge.

As Saussy still claimed to be a Christian, after writing such about the Catholic Church (the Whore of Babylon), and how he came to accept the reality (in Rulers of Evil) the inherent Duality, much as I discussed in the prior post, it shows the otherwise bewildering ambiguity involved in the term 'Christian'. Which 'Jesus' is which.

Life is a "Which Hunt"!!!
 

Jerry Russell

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Richard Carrier just posted a massive article entitled "That Jordan Peterson Is a Crank: A Handy Guide."

Carrier has long maintained that we Postflavians are "Cranks". So now Carrier has elevated Peterson to that same illustrious category. But, I think Carrier makes the case that Peterson is even crankier than we are. And Peterson gets to be a tenured professor.

I'd suggest that a Postflavian action item, is to review Carrier's text and see if there are any significant observations about Peterson here in our thread, that Carrier has missed. If we have anything to add to Carrier's take, I have rights to post to his comment section as one of his Patreons.

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16013
 

Richard Stanley

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BTW, besides denying that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical human, does Carrier have a theory of how the NT and Xianity (as the imperial religion) came to be, perhaps that is not some cranky conspiracy theory?
 
I suspect not, Richard...
BTW, besides denying that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical human, does Carrier have a theory of how the NT and Xianity (as the imperial religion) came to be, perhaps that is not some cranky conspiracy theory?
...since I think he has left that to us, since he has to call many people cranky in order to give himself an audience!;)

Good laugh for us though!

Yours faithfully
Claude Cranky
 
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