The Hidden History of Jesuits

Richard Stanley

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The suppression of the Jesuits in the Portuguese Empire (1759), France (1764), the Two Sicilies, Malta, Parma and the Spanish Empire (1767) is a highly controversial subject. It has been argued that it was a result of a series of political moves in each polity rather than a theological controversy.[1] Monarchies attempting to centralize and secularize political power viewed the Jesuits as being too international, too strongly allied to the papacy, and too autonomous from the monarchs in whose territory they operated.[2]
The Jesuits had also made the pre-existing practice of confession a much bigger deal. Because of other reasons, such as their reputation for running schools (based upon the Classical pagan curriculum of the ratio studeorum) they became the personal 'confessors' for most of Europe's royalty and Catholic nobility. In the process they became notorious for injecting themselves into secular (if I can really use that word here) political intriques, which became the pretext ruse for the Disestablishment. Intriques such as the infamous Gunpowder Plot with Guy Fawkes, and the claim that the Jesuits had assassinated Earl Fernandino Stanley after he refused their desire to have him assume the crown after deposing Elizabeth I. Maybe this had something to do with Stanley's greatgrandfather being Elizabeth's step-greatgrandfather, having helped put Henry VII on the throne?

Funny that these supposed Jews in the SoJ established a widespread and relatively respected school system based upon pagan knowledge that stems back to Pythagorean Harmonics and such. Sneaky devils.

The Jesuits took refuge in non-Catholic nations, particularly in Prussia and Russia, where the order was either ignored or formally rejected.
As Saussy discussed, the Jesuits also quietly took up crypt-residence in the new USA (and Catholic Quebec), having just become "the enemy of our enemy", that is the papacy who had suppressed the Jesuits. This is one reason that American Catholicism is significantly different that the rest of the world's Catholicism in measures such as social liberality and such.

Saussy discusses what happened to the Jesuit Black Pope (Richie?) at the time of the suppression, who vanished after having been imprisoned for a short period. He compared the attributes of this man to the description in an account of the Constitutional Convention about an otherwise anonymous old man that made a lot of suggestions to those designing the Constitution.

Of course, people in general, much less the nobility, were not greatly enthused to have to go to confession, where they might be subject to blackmail and coercion based upon with the revealed. And whatever the case with that, such confessions from the right people would be very useful for an erstwhile intelligence agency - operating under the cover of religion.
 

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Tyrone McCloskey

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There is an interesting article with many references:
" Edward Bulwer-Lytton: Agharta, Shambhala, Vril and the Occult Roots of Nazi Power"
that discusses the blatant plagiarism of Bulwer-Lytton's book, "The Coming Race".
Here is a link to that article by Joseph Caldwell:
http://www.foundationwebsite.org/OnBulwerLytton.htm
Caldwell refers to several books, including "The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology" by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke.

Here is a link to a review of "The Coming Race" that gives some background on the influence of the novel:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3KLYPMOWRS9BT/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0082UPBF4
Tyrone, I quoted you above. Would you please provide the documentation that shows that Bulwer-Lytton was a "spook", and the gay lover of Disraeli?
Mike Dexter- Sorry for the delayed response- I'm not getting e-mail alerts about threads like I used to, plus I've been dealing with a balky back- Here's a link with many links, though I don't support everything on this particular site- There is a lot to ruminate about, though.. Bulwer-Lytton's estranged wife made a second career out of denouncing her husband's various dalliances- http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-gay-father-of-nazism-and-zionism.html
 
Mike Dexter- Sorry for the delayed response- I'm not getting e-mail alerts about threads like I used to, plus I've been dealing with a balky back- Here's a link with many links, though I don't support everything on this particular site- There is a lot to ruminate about, though.. Bulwer-Lytton's estranged wife made a second career out of denouncing her husband's various dalliances- http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-gay-father-of-nazism-and-zionism.html
Thanks for the link, previously unknown to me. It looks like it will take some time to dig through it. I knew about his mistreatment of his wife. I'm trying to find a book of letters that she wrote in my local library, but they can't find it on their shelves. My mind races with conspiracy theories to account for the possible theft of the book! ;-)

Bulwer-Lytton was obviously interested in some pretty esoteric stuff. Even the relatively innocent Last Days of Pompeii features the Isis cult prominently. I know that part isn't fiction, at least based on other archeological findings. The prominent featuring of Christians at that time, c. 70AD, was pure fiction, however, because Xianity was just being invented at the time, as we know. (Sorry about all the commas.)

(Edit): I just found this on the site you referenced:
""The 1870s saw the emergence of several high-level coordinating agencies for international cult manufacture, in particular the Vril Society (founded in 1871) ... headed by Edward Bulwer-Lytton... the mother-cult for the later Thule Society and related groups which created Hitler and the Nazis..." "

I will look for further references to this, but I find it hard to believe. Bulwer died in 1873, and had been deaf and ill for some time before that. I find it hard to believe that he would have "founded" the Vril Society. Plus there are some interesting ellipses there. What is omitted?

Also, I sometimes get alerts re: posts and sometimes don't. I think it may be that on 2nd posts in the same thread email alerts aren't sent out.
 
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Tyrone McCloskey

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Thanks for the link, previously unknown to me. It looks like it will take some time to dig through it. I knew about his mistreatment of his wife. I'm trying to find a book of letters that she wrote in my local library, but they can't find it on their shelves. My mind races with conspiracy theories to account for the possible theft of the book! ;-)

Bulwer-Lytton was obviously interested in some pretty esoteric stuff. Even the relatively innocent Last Days of Pompeii features the Isis cult prominently. I know that part isn't fiction, at least based on other archeological findings. The prominent featuring of Christians at that time, c. 70AD, was pure fiction, however, because Xianity was just being invented at the time, as we know. (Sorry about all the commas.)

(Edit): I just found this on the site you referenced:
""The 1870s saw the emergence of several high-level coordinating agencies for international cult manufacture, in particular the Vril Society (founded in 1871) ... headed by Edward Bulwer-Lytton... the mother-cult for the later Thule Society and related groups which created Hitler and the Nazis..." "

I will look for further references to this, but I find it hard to believe. Bulwer died in 1873, and had been deaf and ill for some time before that. I find it hard to believe that he would have "founded" the Vril Society. Plus there are some interesting ellipses there. What is omitted?

Also, I sometimes get alerts re: posts and sometimes don't. I think it may be that on 2nd posts in the same thread email alerts aren't sent out.
Mike Dexter- Indeed, Bulwer-Lytton did not create the Vril society that engulfed "Hitler"- That iteration was concocted as a front for German/British intel prior to and during WWI to give a facade to the PR people tasked with creating the demi-god that became "Hitler"- (Karl Haushofer was the key player for this Vril Society) In my view, beginning in and around 1840 as the nascent republican movements were gathering steam, the great controlled demolition of western culture and the construction of the corporate globalized replacement state began in earnest, with, among other things, the marriage of Victoria of House Hanover with her first cousin, Albert of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha- The solidification of German/British protestant monarchs assured that Germany would be unified and then split, allowing the Anglo-American alliance (the Venetian/British oligarchy) to continue its dominance of the seas and, with Germany under its thumb, the continent- The far east was well on its way to subjugation by the various Venetian/British East India companies by the mid-19th century-
 
The solidification of German/British protestant monarchs assured that Germany would be unified and then split, allowing the Anglo-American alliance (the Venetian/British oligarchy) to continue its dominance of the seas and, with Germany under its thumb, the continent- The far east was well on its way to subjugation by the various Venetian/British East India companies by the mid-19th century-
Right, whether they actually planned it or not, things sure did turn out that way! I also agree that the Venetians are frequently overlooked by commentators. Webster Tarpley wrote what amounts to a book about them among his various articles. As Webster says, "Gold is where you find it."
 

Richard Stanley

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People form their own good or bad analyses, which are their own responsibility. They are formed through their own cultural perspective lens, of which mine is somewhat different than Scrivener's. That said, if one cares to wade through his writings he does have some interesting ideas. He appears to be a Fifth Monarchist, and in this regard he sees the British Crown as in league with the Vatican, as do I. One interesting page is his claim that Winston Churchill was the bastard son of Prince Edward the Confessor. The photos are fascinating.

I also discovered that I spent most of my life on land that almost became part of the failed (and previously unknown to me) Mcnamara Concession, a deal between the Jesuits, Brits, and the Mormons to deny California to the USA.

So looking for useful data, one must look under whatever dirty or seemingly clean rug one can.
 

Tyrone McCloskey

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People form their own good or bad analyses, which are their own responsibility. They are formed through their own cultural perspective lens, of which mine is somewhat different than Scrivener's. That said, if one cares to wade through his writings he does have some interesting ideas. He appears to be a Fifth Monarchist, and in this regard he sees the British Crown as in league with the Vatican, as do I. One interesting page is his claim that Winston Churchill was the bastard son of Prince Edward the Confessor. The photos are fascinating.

I also discovered that I spent most of my life on land that almost became part of the failed (and previously unknown to me) Mcnamara Concession, a deal between the Jesuits, Brits, and the Mormons to deny California to the USA.

So looking for useful data, one must look under whatever dirty or seemingly clean rug one can.
There are always nuggets in disinfo- They have to give you some good stuff to sell the bad- The distorted premises are what foil the researcher- The premise of official history hides the proper context within which to place the agreed upon facts- The old rugged trivium method inverted- Logic before facts and you run off the rails sooner than later- Why do I think my premise (ie, no real Hitler) is at least more plausible if not nail on the head accurate? First, its as far from official history as you can get and retain many of the agreed upon facts- Second, the literary tropes that are largely what official history is made of, aren't needed to tell the story- My version requires no "mad man" and an utterly hypnotized nation- Honestly, how would that possibly work? Only in movies, like, say, Triumph of the Will- I think anyone with a synapse still working will agree that the current actor-in-chief is as genuine as Homer Simpson- The manufactured enthusiasm for the O'bama character is straight out of the Riefenstahl playbook- Most of us have lives in progress and don't bother with rallies and door to door volunteerism- Only the television cameras need to edit a few actors together to get people to believe we citizens look to Washington DC for insight or guidance- There are no mandates, unless the NY Times says there are- There are no Democrats or Republicans, just shifting nomenclature to push people's buttons- Party politics is an infestation of tropes to feed the hackneyed plots of the "news"- There are no Hitlers today, just actor/agents playing a good guy or a villain- Why would anyone think it was any different 70-80 years ago?
 

Richard Stanley

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You don't think that I am arguing with you, do you? I don't have a dog in the hunt as to whether H was authentic or not. I consider that the likes of Saddam had at least a body double, in which case Saddam at least went to the Hidden Resort. But his body double(s?) had to disappear too, in one fashion or another.
 

Tyrone McCloskey

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You don't think that I am arguing with you, do you? I don't have a dog in the hunt as to whether H was authentic or not. I consider that the likes of Saddam had at least a body double, in which case Saddam at least went to the Hidden Resort. But his body double(s?) had to disappear too, in one fashion or another.
Jumpin' Jehosaphat, Richard, no, this isn't an argument- I was initially thrown by the link you posted which contains a few stretchers to say the least- I know you and I agree on the hidden resort concept and that's a key element of their method- Despite the exile, the rewards are probably beyond comprehension, at least for the Saddam level actors-
BTW, I think I have a candidate for the Hidden Resort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Catarina_(state)
 

Richard Stanley

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Jumpin' Jehosaphat, Richard, no, this isn't an argument- I was initially thrown by the link you posted which contains a few stretchers to say the least- I know you and I agree on the hidden resort concept and that's a key element of their method- Despite the exile, the rewards are probably beyond comprehension, at least for the Saddam level actors-
BTW, I think I have a candidate for the Hidden Resort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Catarina_(state)
I should probably make some boilerplate disclaimers for whenever I give links and similar.

I may have posted about a documentary mini-series about a recent post-War hunt for H (or his double?). Caveat being it centered around former(?) CIA /media player Robert Baer. They traced the path through old Berlin tunnels to Templehof Airport and onto Spain to a U-boat facility (in neutral northwest Spain). Then onto the coast of Argentina for a surreptitious beach landing that someone had reported. But I don't remember exactly where. Maybe just a rabbit hole?
 

Richard Stanley

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thx gilius

I made the following excepts from the Introduction. The whole construction mostly, but with some exceptions, paints them in a positive light, as one would expect them to do. Whatever the case, as presented, they are the global Johnny on the spot organization trying to grease the skids of globalization. Admitted is the major role that the USA Jesuits play, as discussed by Saussy, and as well is the role of the Disestablishment, aka the Suppression. As Saussy found it incredulous that the staunch Catholic kings would be interested in expelling the Jesuits, unless it was part of a hidden agenda stratagem. Namely to gain easy social entree into the nascent Protestant USA.

From the concluding paragraph of the Intro:

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Excerpts from the opening of the Intro and beyond:

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Richard Stanley

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I also watched Independence Day 2 recently - has the all-seeing eye about 4 times! Remember: the Jesuits are the only organisation that have used to the all-seeing eye as their symbol of power - and they were the ones who globalized the earth and founded all education institutions.... go figure!
Hmmm?

I don't know what happens back in the old country, but here in the colonies everyone thinks that the all-seeing eye is Masonic (Egyptian), and as such I'm not aware of associations of it to the Jesuits.
 
I may have posted about a documentary mini-series about a recent post-War hunt for H (or his double?). Caveat being it centered around former(?) CIA /media player Robert Baer. They traced the path through old Berlin tunnels to Templehof Airport and onto Spain to a U-boat facility (in neutral northwest Spain). Then onto the coast of Argentina for a surreptitious beach landing that someone had reported. But I don't remember exactly where. Maybe just a rabbit hole?
I haven't seen a film on this topic, but I've read this book. I thought it was entirely plausible, but that's all I can say about it.
https://www.amazon.com/Grey-Wolf-Escape-Adolf-Hitler/dp/1402796196
 

gilius

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Nice quotes, Richard! Thanks for highlighting that... very revealing texts.

Hmmm?

I don't know what happens back in the old country, but here in the colonies everyone thinks that the all-seeing eye is Masonic (Egyptian), and as such I'm not aware of associations of it to the Jesuits.
And that's the single biggest thing that's been overlooked in the history of conspiracy theories.
 

Richard Stanley

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And that's the single biggest thing that's been overlooked in the history of conspiracy theories.
Well, you have my rapt attention.

Similarly, on the subject of the "eye of Horus", on my other thread I am going to soon debunk the claim, recently re-stated by Jerry, that there was/is only one eye. One depiction related to Amenhotep II has two such stylized paired eyes, right and left. All part of a larger and abstract cosmic depiction - that in turn displays linkages to even deeper things.
 
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