The Case for De Vere

Charles Watkins

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Hmmm, so are we now a part of the conspiracy without realizing it? Snap!
To go full meta here, is it possible the recent stir over 'conspiracy theories' is itself a conspiracy? If you were perpetrating a genuine conspiracy, you'd want people to disbelieve in conspiracies in general. So publicize the silliest one you can think of: Flat Earth. The Devil's greatest trick...
 

Richard Stanley

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The very term 'conspiracy theory' was created to marginalize anyone who dares look under the carpets of our system.

Yes, the Flat Earth is a classic marginalizer.
 

Seeker

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In that case, I might as well stream the Palm Sunday service of my local Roman Catholic Church, they invited me, and I get to join a small group online, and leave a prayer request, so I can't say I "haven't a prayer" in this world. If they believe in showing "truth in plain sight", maybe that will set me free, because right now I feel like Pontius Pilate exclaiming "What is truth?" Besides, watching this helps me to save the world by staying home.
 
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Seeker

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Just my feeble attempt at sarcasm, I meant that if everything is to be regarded as a conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy, then I might as well go back to the original "source" of it all, the Roman Catholic Church, and start from scratch all over again, with what I have learned from Postflaviana, to understand it better. Anyone for online RCIA, you won't get "infected" that way.
 

Richard Stanley

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The below is one reason why people felt compelled to discuss sensitive matters encrypted in poetry and such, rather than as Postflavians do. The latter inspired by the late J. Orlin Grabbe's quote of Horace: "What forbids us to tell the truth laughingly?"

As such, the following is one of a series in demonstrating just how many of the intelligentsia of the day understood that De Vere was Shake-speare. And that Penelope Rich was the Dark Lady. The Dark Lady is encrypted as Cleopatra and in other ways.


Here is another one, where Waugh invokes the name Uranea(?), which is the same as in the name Thea Muse Ourania, the Goddess of Heaven (aka Isis, aka Cleopatra and lineage).

Of course, the parallels aren't perfect, but Cleopatra and Penelope were indeed rich, and had bastard sons of the nobility.
 

Richard Stanley

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Look what Alexander Waugh teased out of Ben Johnson's intro:

"Ver had his wit, Ver writ his Booke."

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One could have just scanned through and parsed these out, but Waugh shows there was a system employed, which is in itself indicative.

 

Seeker

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Look what Alexander Waugh teased out of Ben Johnson's intro:

"Ver had his wit, Ver writ his Booke."
Stritmatter did the same thing by just using the gematria of Ben Jonson's initials "B" and "I" on that title page, right? So the score so far on figuring out the true Shakespearean author on the basis of that page is de Vere 2, Bacon 1, if I have this right. This is sort of like de Vere being an imperial Roman (which the de Veres supposedly descended from) being helped by an important member of the imperial Roman court (Bacon as Josephus) with a commoner (Shakespeare) being given credit for the writing, just as fishermen, tax collectors, tentmakers, physicians, etc. were given credit for the New Testament.
 

Richard Stanley

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Yes, Bacon and Neville were included in the other decryptions, which were multifactorial in nature. It seems that De Vere was the central element with Bacon, Neville, Dee, and others providing various functions. Like I said before, there are a large number of fairly recent works focusing on this, including friends and enemies of De Vere that display awareness of what was going on -- in the day, shortly after, and some time after.
 

Seeker

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Edward de Vere was supposed to have passed away on June 24, 1604, the feast day of John the Baptist, and the celebration of the summer solstice. The vault of Christian Rosenkreuz was also supposed to have been discovered that year, along with the Hampton Court Conference with King James I, to discuss creating a new Bible. As Francis Bacon was supposed to have been the leader of the Rosicrucians at this time, and the editor of the King James Bible, was this when Bacon took over for de Vere as the head of the esoteric and exoteric propaganda teams? Was the Feast of the Nativity of St. John the Baptist, along with the commencement of the shortening of the days, the symbolic time when de Vere would echo the words of John the Baptist, "He (Bacon) must increase, but I must decrease" (John 3:30 KJV).
 

Seeker

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Perhaps 400 years ago Oak Island was intended to become the "New Atlantis", but instead suffered the fate of Roanoke, which Jamestown and Plymouth Colony escaped by timely reinforcements and supplies.
 

Richard Stanley

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Oak Island is pretty small, with no sign of colonization as far as I know. It would be pretty easy to have the whole thing sink under the ocean though.
 

Seeker

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Point taken, I should have said "secret headquarters" of the New Atlantis, sort of like Chester was for Jesus/Izates, at the end of the known world.
 

Richard Stanley

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The following is an explanation of 'Shake-speare's' contribution to the development of Western law. This as to the difference between 'Justice' (the letter of the law) and Equity (the mitigation of strict Justice by the wider context). Here, we have an interesting parallel between De Vere and the gospel Jesus and his relationship to the Pharisees and the Law. Which begs the question as to why this had to be reiterated in a long "Christian" culture?

 
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