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Jerry Russell

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Then trake a break fora few days
Enjoy your break, see you when you get back.

( my friends above are CIA who I know like tune back of my hand years and years of study and Joe and. Jans insights)
Are you trying to say that you knew Chris Korda and 'Vermin Supreme' as friends for years and years, you knew them like the back of your hand, but you didn't realize they were CIA until Joe and Jan clued you in?

On the contrary, I suspect you're jumping to conclusions here. Joe and Jan showed that the CIA had connections to Timothy Leary; Freemasons had connections to Grateful Dead; and Ken Kesey was suspiciously close to that orbit. There may very well be direct connections between CIA, Freemasons and the founding of Rainbow Gathering and/or Burning Man.

But how exactly does that incriminate Chris and 'Vermin'? Aside from falling under the general influence of New Age concepts, that is.

here is my answer
I don't believe Outtrim in this video has anything at all specific to say about Chris Korda, or 'Vermin Supreme'.

But he does say, starting about 40:15 --

When the Illuminati gets put together, they're trying to attack the church, but it's really the judeo-christian values of Western civilization, which is a family unit. A man, a woman, children all stay together. Be married for life, and you raise a family, and you raise your children to have children in the same way as well. And that has been completely under attack quite some time, and you can see it that really is a specific target of the counterculture.
Actually, most Hebrew patriarchs had many wives and concubines, while Jesus (at least according to the official narrative) had no wife or children at all. And in Augustinian Rome, any man was entitled to as many prostitute visits as he could afford. But leaving all that aside: here we have Outtrim promoting this one-size-fits-all description of the human sexual ideal.

And whatever else you can say about the family values model, it certainly can lead to a lot of children in each generation. Especially if combined with Catholic scruples regarding contraception and abortion. And let's leave aside questions of exactly how many human beings can be packed like sardines onto our planet, or how many years we have left before disaster strikes.

Just as a simple matter of arithmetic, can't we all agree that these "Judeo-Christian Values of Western Civilization" put us on a path to an ultimate existential crisis?

Paul and Wes says pop goes to 9 billion then falls fast so there is nothing to worry about in there own words
No, you don't get it at all. When the population falls fast, that means that people are dying fast and young. And the reason for the collapse (aside from war and civil strife) is that resources per capita are collapsing. A used-up cinder of a planet is left to future generations. Or: "in their own words", there's Plenty to worry about.
 

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Here's a 2014 article that compares recent statistics to the predicted "Business As Usual" scenario from the 1972 "Limits to Growth" study by the Club of Rome. The world economy is tracking remarkably close to the Club of Rome model.

Yes, I know, there are rumors that the Club of Rome was founded by David Rockefeller at his estate in Bellagio, Italy. (Rumors which I have been unable to trace to any primary source, and which don't correspond to the memoirs of the founder.) No matter. The basic conclusions in "Limits to Growth" are good, solid, basic science.

And yes, the world is round, even if the Freemasons also say so. A finite ball floating in space, less than 8,000 miles in diameter.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/limits-to-growth-was-right-new-research-shows-were-nearing-collapse

Notice the death rate in this graph, which has just bottomed out and started increasing, at about the same time as predicted:

 
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Richard Stanley

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Actually, most Hebrew patriarchs had many wives and concubines, while Jesus (at least according to the official narrative) had no wife or children at all. And in Augustinian Rome, any man was entitled to as many prostitute visits as he could afford. But leaving all that aside: here we have Outtrim promoting this one-size-fits-all description of the human sexual ideal.
Yes Jerry, and Augustus was the one who is on record (Suetonius - Twelve Caesars) as promoting today's Christian Family Values schema, while at the very same time violating it by screwing the wives of his political rivals in the Senate. It was a dirty job, but apparently somebody had to do it.

How can one be "wild" and "civilized" at the same time? What we need is coherence, and yet all we constantly get from such as Joe Atwill is a recapitulated Caesarian hypocrite system, from which he is no longer even interested in advancing his Roman Origins thesis. It is quite abundantly clear that such as Freemasonry, writ large, is a child of the elite Judeo-Roman power structure, as its 'modern' lodges operated under the official aegis of the various royal houses. The parallel Knights of Columbus sit around in their lodge equivalent is an almost identical seating order, only they answer ultimately to the pope.

The 13 children in Riverside County, CA, had parents who stayed together. They protected their children by chaining them up, they loved them so much they gave them all bicycles, only they were never allowed to ride these bicycles. Probably because they were always in chains.

There are people who are working to promote the xenophobia and paranoia of today's (relatively) ignorant zealots and others who are trying to get to the source of the problem. Constantly ranting hysterically about Freemasons while at the same time constantly denying or running from what the phenomenon is inherently connected to seems to be the former and not the latter. Instead all we get is that 'Freemasons' and Jesuits are a (relatively) 'recent' 'degradation' and solely tied to the Jews desire for revenge upon Titus et al. This POV curiously mimics the traditional position of the Roman Catholic Church .. and probably the Eastern Church as well. And sardonically profits upon the continuously dark depiction of the tribe of Judah, from the Jews own Holy Book. Evidence of 'controlled opposition' or .... what?

In this regard Joseph Atwill typologically reprises the role of Josephus Flavius, where the latter and his Maccabee relatives helped fan the flames of the relatively ignorant Jews who bought the Kool-aide of their synthetic nationalist narrative. Their Chosen apex Culture was obviously superior by divine dint, and the globalizing Greeks (originally also from Egypt) were now degrading their culture.

The shadows prove that the Earth is a sphere, and we all need to stop being distracted from the real problems because some are wanting us to be afraid of our shadows ... by making false arguments and such.
 

lorenhough

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Greetings
I give you my opinion
Hard for me to give details
You could be right and ask. Good questions
Could I be wrong?
Yes
I just wish to ask the question
For others
To see what they find
To find me right ? Maybe
To look at all sides

Is good. Don't you think

No, you don't get it at all. When the population falls fast, that means that people are dying fast and young. And the reason for the collapse (aside from war and civil strife) is that resources per capita are collapsing. A used-up cinder of a planet is left to future generations. Or: "in their own words", there's Plenty to worry about.

Ok I understand
What you say and agree
But. I was telling you what Wes Jackson said the land institute in my home town Salina ks
Part of world bank
That population is no problem as the big boys are in control management of the herd
 
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Jerry Russell

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To look at all sides
Is good. Don't you think
Yes, of course.

And especially when it comes to 'Vermin Supreme', you could be right. He could be a provocateur, a paid CIA shill. He's your old friend, while I don't know the man from Adam.

It's just that when there's no evidence, I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt.
 

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But. I was telling you what Wes Jackson said the land institute in my home town Salina ks
Part of world bank
That population is no problem as the big boys are in control management of the herd
As in, for example, this paper? http://crawfordstewardshipproject.org/download/Wes Jackson RestoringEarthIsland 2014.pdf

Jackson is optimistic that by using perennial-based agricultural systems, it will be possible to reverse the trends of soil degradation as projected by "Limits to Growth". He anticipates that world population will peak by 2100 AD and then start a slow trend downward, driven by economic and political incentives. It is, he admits, a Utopian vision. But I don't think he's trying to say that there is no problem with industrial, economic & population growth as usual. And I don't think he's saying that "the big boys are in control".
 

lorenhough

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Be wild, not cow
Next book next million years
He says the big boys must stay
Wild
Look up
Wild. Is going. To be helpful in this now world
 

lorenhough

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As in, for example, this paper? http://crawfordstewardshipproject.org/download/Wes Jackson RestoringEarthIsland 2014.pdf

Jackson is optimistic that by using perennial-based agricultural systems, it will be possible to reverse the trends of soil degradation as projected by "Limits to Growth". He anticipates that world population will peak by 2100 AD and then start a slow trend downward, driven by economic and political incentives. It is, he admits, a Utopian vision. But I don't think he's trying to say that there is no problem with industrial, economic & population growth as usual. And I don't think he's saying that "the big boys are in control".
I know Wes sense 1978
He loved my grandfather
1966
My grandpa leader of. Peace march
That Wes was was a
Part of bring. Him to. Tears

The people wes Hosted did say those things at his event once a year in the barn
Wes may not put I writeing
But has said it in his own words over the years
To my own ears
 
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lorenhough

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It's also worth noticing that some of Ehrlich's "scenarios" haven't materialized on schedule, because of developments like GMO, mass use of herbicides, and fracking to increase oil production. Those inventions have allowed the explosion of the economy & population to continue longer than he expected, but at a long-run cost that will only make things ultimately worse.
. The big boys plan to kill us off in the brave new world order 1984 is here 9-11 ww3 coming your way
 

Jerry Russell

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Tarpley blames Malthus and Darwin for the situation. The fact is, Malthus and Darwin were both straight talkers who saw the world as it really is. Tarpley, in the final analysis, is another cultural Catholic. For that matter, he often speaks favorably of the Pope and the entire Catholic hierarchy, and never sees that apparatus for what it is, either.

In his talk above, Tarpley says he thinks the earth could support human population of 35 billion. In order to get there, I'm pretty sure Tarpley is relying on nuclear energy. When it comes to problems related to radioactive pollution and nuclear waste management, he's completely in denial.

But even if Tarpley's 35 billion number is correct, it only puts off the problem for a few generations. From the current level, we have a bit more than two doublings to go before the Tarpleys of the future need to confront the fact that the "Multiply and Subdue" game is over.

Tarpley and Marrs have some good points, though. Some population control techniques are evil and immoral and unlikely to be endorsed by any democratic political system. And aside from being immoral, some proposed techniques just don't work.

It was evil for the government to use the CIA and taxpayer funds to promote LSD and rock-and-roll. And besides that: as a population control technology, it was not very effective. The women were still having babies, even if out of wedlock.

Killing off hoards of impoverished third world peoples does very little to reduce the level of economic activity, pollution, or resource consumption. Those people are a very small part of the real problem.

Simply stabilizing the population of rich people doesn't help much either, as long as those rich people are dedicated to economic growth and increased consumption on an annual basis. Economies can grow exponentially even if population doesn't. There seems to be no limit to the number of mansions, Lear Jets, and yachts that rich people need.

Sugar, saturated fats, GMO's and agricultural chemicals generally kill by causing heart disease and/or cancer. And people mostly don't succumb to those diseases until they're well past child bearing age. So these killers generally don't do much to cut off exponential growth. And these technologies make it possible to produce an abundant supply of cheap, tasty food that helps lots of economically marginal people stay alive, multiply and subdue.

Nuclear war is a really bad idea for population reduction, because it could easily reduce the population all the way down to zero. Meanwhile, militaries are the world's largest consumers of energy and materials.
 

lorenhough

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Tarpley blames Malthus and Darwin for the situation. The fact is, Malthus and Darwin were both straight talkers who saw the world as it really is. Tarpley, in the final analysis, is another cultural Catholic. For that matter, he often speaks favorably of the Pope and the entire Catholic hierarchy, and never sees that apparatus for what it is, either.

In his talk above, Tarpley says he thinks the earth could support human population of 35 billion. In order to get there, I'm pretty sure Tarpley is relying on nuclear energy. When it comes to problems related to radioactive pollution and nuclear waste management, he's completely in denial.

But even if Tarpley's 35 billion number is correct, it only puts off the problem for a few generations. From the current level, we have a bit more than two doublings to go before the Tarpleys of the future need to confront the fact that the "Multiply and Subdue" game is over.

Tarpley and Marrs have some good points, though. Some population control techniques are evil and immoral and unlikely to be endorsed by any democratic political system. And aside from being immoral, some proposed techniques just don't work.

It was evil for the government to use the CIA and taxpayer funds to promote LSD and rock-and-roll. And besides that: as a population control technology, it was not very effective. The women were still having babies, even if out of wedlock.

Killing off hoards of impoverished third world peoples does very little to reduce the level of economic activity, pollution, or resource consumption. Those people are a very small part of the real problem.

Simply stabilizing the population of rich people doesn't help much either, as long as those rich people are dedicated to economic growth and increased consumption on an annual basis. Economies can grow exponentially even if population doesn't. There seems to be no limit to the number of mansions, Lear Jets, and yachts that rich people need.

Sugar, saturated fats, GMO's and agricultural chemicals generally kill by causing heart disease and/or cancer. And people mostly don't succumb to those diseases until they're well past child bearing age. So these killers generally don't do much to cut off exponential growth. And these technologies make it possible to produce an abundant supply of cheap, tasty food that helps lots of economically marginal people stay alive, multiply and subdue.

Nuclear war is a really bad idea for population reduction, because it could easily reduce the population all the way down to zero. Meanwhile, militaries are the world's largest consumers of energy and materials.
Thanks jerry for your insights
Let us hope population is not. A big problem
In the future.
You sure can't see it and Fiji
And can't move here unless you can take care of your self
And there is so much land that rent to the people at very low rents
We have free health care. And layers
Bus any were for $1
I pay $70 rent
$25 mo. For Internet
Un less you are in a big city there is not to many people
 

Jerry Russell

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You sure can't see it and Fiji
Fiji is not a closed system. It consistently runs a huge trade deficit: in 2016, total exports were $788 million and total imports were $2.26 Billion! Fiji exports raw materials such as water, raw sugar, gold, and fish, as well as some manufactured goods. It imports huge amounts of electronic equipment, petroleum, automobiles, and food.

These statistics don't include tourism, which was ~$1 Billion in 2011. It's not clear how much of this income stays in Fuji, and how much is taken out by foreign owners of the resort hotels. But, I believe income from this source is probably the reason why Fiji is able to maintain such a huge trade deficit otherwise.

If Fiji had to feed itself, it might not seem like there's so much room.

Sources:

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/fji/

http://fijihighcommission.org.uk/about_3.html

Un less you are in a big city there is not to many people
Big cities rely on the surrounding countryside for food and raw materials. Where I live, in the Willamette Valley of Oregon, much of the available land is growing grass seed for use in wealthy suburban areas globally.
 

Richard Stanley

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It was evil for the government to use the CIA and taxpayer funds to promote LSD and rock-and-roll. And besides that: as a population control technology, it was not very effective. The women were still having babies, even if out of wedlock.

Killing off hoards of impoverished third world peoples does very little to reduce the level of economic activity, pollution, or resource consumption. Those people are a very small part of the real problem.
Part of the 'global' White cultural angst today stems from that most white begetting rates are falling below unity, and thus immigration by non-whites only exacerbates the various employment issues, whether blue-collar or not. So, one might argue that some policies did indeed work, albeit I say that the impact of the perception of familial economic sufficiency and stability has played a bigger role than anything. Want to stop excess population growth and mitigate or neutralize immigration (for whatever reason), then create the reality and perception of economic sufficiency for the Second and Third World peoples. http://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/the-population-bomb.1643/

Rapidly growing populations of Third World peoples are creating massive environmental problems via such as the cutting down of forests for grazing cattle for the First World and for firewood to cook and keep warm.

Access to sufficient, not excessive, energy is vital for people to perceive a good future, as to bettering their health and access to education (which is potentially almost free via the Internet - via such as Khan Academy). Traditional nuclear power is indeed problematic, but thorium power has numerous advantages over it. Problem is that there is too much thorium available (compared to uranium) for making good profits, and small collectives might want to buy their own reactors. Same problem for Cold Fusion, which numerous reputable scientists have stated is indeed a real phenomenon.

While Fiji Water may indeed come from Fiji, the owners of it, the Resnicks, consume more water in their Kern County agricultural empire than the entire greater metropolitan region of Los Angeles does. They somehow finagled free access to a local Kern County water bank to slake their thirsty almonds, pomegranates, and other crops. BTW, the name of their company was once Roll Global, now it is The Wonderful Company.

'Liberal' California is having a problem now in that the CA Public Utility Commission is actively favoring such as private monopoly water companies over the interests of their captive homeowner consumers, enabling them to charge 4 to 5 times the otherwise surrounding 'market' rates. Of course, one might ascribe other political motivations than besides merely protecting profits. For instance, maybe Californians don't need otherwise cheap lawns that make it almost (not) look like they live in green Europe.
 

lorenhough

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Fiji is not a closed system. It consistently runs a huge trade deficit: in 2016, total exports were $788 million and total imports were $2.26 Billion! Fiji exports raw materials such as water, raw sugar, gold, and fish, as well as some manufactured goods. It imports huge amounts of electronic equipment, petroleum, automobiles, and food.

These statistics don't include tourism, which was ~$1 Billion in 2011. It's not clear how much of this income stays in Fuji, and how much is taken out by foreign owners of the resort hotels. But, I believe income from this source is probably the reason why Fiji is able to maintain such a huge trade deficit otherwise.

If Fiji had to feed itself, it might not seem like there's so much room.

Sources:

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/fji/

http://fijihighcommission.org.uk/about_3.html



Big cities rely on the surrounding countryside for food and raw materials. Where I live, in the Willamette Valley of Oregon, much of the available land is growing grass seed for use in wealthy suburban areas globally.
Fiji 150 years ago feed it self
London made it a part of empire / commanweath hurt it

The city's of could not feed itself but villages could wich is most of Fiji on 400 islands with intact families
 

Jerry Russell

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So, one might argue that some policies did indeed work,
Yes, and I left some of the alleged depopulation strategies off my list because I don't consider them evil or immoral. Encouraging women to have careers if they want them, and babies later in life (if at all). Allowing and even encouraging gay men to get married to other gay men, rather than forcing them to have wives and children for appearances' sake.

China's one child policy has been effective, though I consider it dubious from the moral point of view. It's actually tax on children. Conceptually I don't have a problem with that. But it's a flat tax with draconian add-on penalties for poor people who can't pay. But Chinese elites can easily afford to pay the tax. So it's really class-based eugenics. And, apparently you need to have a higher tax on male children, otherwise the gender ratio is out of whack.

Traditional nuclear power is indeed problematic, but thorium power has numerous advantages over it. Problem is that there is too much thorium available (compared to uranium) for making good profits, and small collectives might want to buy their own reactors. Same problem for Cold Fusion, which numerous reputable scientists have stated is indeed a real phenomenon.
Yes, if either of these technologies can live up to their aspirations, there's a potential to create enough energy to support a larger population. With abundant energy, a lot of other problems can be solved.

Fiji 150 years ago feed it self
Yes, and that was probably the sustainable population level that could be supported with pre-industrial technology. Fiji population in 1950 was a bit more than 1/4 of what it is today. Before that, there is no real data I could find.
 

lorenhough

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The big boys control with food and fear war media schools army judges police dumb down paid to be stupid canon fodder
They don't want you to feed your self..that's a Nono
 
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