The bomb that went boom the boomers they called us

lorenhough

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i know Paul he lived in Palo Alto ca.
Wife part of the club of Rome
Friend of my friend Wes Jackson
Who gets 13 million from world bank to say co2 is bad for you
And we need only 500 million people

JANUARY 18, 2018

Ehrlich peddled his eco-doom snake-oil to millions but not one of his bombastic predictions have come to pass in the last 50 years. In short, Ehrlich demonstrated a Technocrat mindset by claiming his ‘science’ was the only truth of the matter and all other ‘deniers’ would pay a big price for rejecting his warnings. Nevertheless, he became an academic rock star even as global demographic trends rolled over into a steep nose-dive. ⁃ TN Editor
This year marks the 50th anniversary of Paul Ehrlich’s eco-doom bestseller The Population Bomb. Maybe we should all stage a mass die-in to spare the distinguished Stanford biology professor his embarrassment.

Well if Ehrlich is not embarrassed, he should be. His book sold over three million copies – presumably making him a very decent amount of money. It turned him into an academic rock star, helped win him numerous prizes (often with large sums of money attached) and may well have been responsible for winning him the post he still occupies aged 85 as Bing Professor of Population Studies at Stanford University…

…And all for writing a book which is essentially junk. Not just junk but dangerous junk. It’s bad enough that it got its predictions – about a disastrous population collapse due to resource depletion – wrong. But far worse was the damage it did to public and political consciousness, doing much to generate the environmental hysteria we see gripping the world today.

In fact, The Population Bomb did the one thing which science books aren’t supposed to do: it actually made the people who read it more stupid.

You see its malign influence today everywhere from the whispery prognostications of gorilla-hugging Malthusian David Attenborough to all those people who say they agree with me on climate change but then go on to tell me with a knowing, conspiratorial tap of the side of their noses that “Of course, the real elephant in the room is overpopulation.”

No, overpopulation is not the elephant in the room. If it were the elephant in the room it would mean that Paul Ehrlich’s book was right and he thoroughly deserved all that money and that tenure at Stanford – and I wouldn’t be writing this piece, would I?

My point, just to be clear, is that Paul Ehrlich’s The Population Bomb was not only wrong but demonstrably wrong.

The ‘demonstrable’ part is that he made the fatal mistake of putting a date on his doomsday predictions.

His book claimed:

The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate.

Remember all those hundreds of millions of people who starved to death between the release of Led Zep III and Tom Petty’s Full Moon Fever? Nope, me neither. That’ll be because like most of the things predicted by the future Bing Professor of Population Studies at Stanford University, it didn’t actually transpire.

Nor – another of Ehrlich’s predictions – did the average age of death in the U.S. by 1980 fall to 42 years old.

Nor – yet – have ocean levels risen by 250 feet, despite Ehrlich’s warning that this was a distinct possibility if the polar icecaps started to melt.

Nor yet – though he might be closer to the mark here, showing how important it is to hedge your bets when predicting climate – are we in the midst of a ‘new ice age.’

As Nicholas Vardy notes in this essay for the Oxford Club, Ehrlich’s ‘population bomb’ theory was a fail for the same reasons Thomas Malthus’s 1798 An Essay on the Principle of Population was a fail:

Human ingenuity has always been successful in overcoming crises that once seemed inevitable.

Ehrlich’s promised mass-starvation in “overpopulated” countries like India, for example, was foiled by the Green Revolution of the great American agronomist Norman Borlaug. Borlaug’s experiments with crop mutations dramatically increased productivity, enabling India and its neighbors to feed a population which Ehrlich had predicted would starve.

Read full story here…
Hope this helps
 

Jerry Russell

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First of all, let me say this. If we are going to start reducing populations in order to save the environment, we need to start by reducing the population of billionaires. Their consumption and environmental impact per capita is off the charts.

But as to whether Ehrlich was wrong, or is wrong, Chris Martenson has the opposite view:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/93685/paul-ehrlich-population-bomb

In 1968, Paul Ehrlich released his ground-breaking book The Population Bomb, which awoke the national consciousness to the collision-course world population growth is on with our planet's finite resources. His work was reinforced several years later by the Limits To Growth report issued by the Club of Rome.

Fast-forward almost 50 years later, and Ehrlich's book reads more like a 'how to' manual. Nearly all the predictions it made are coming to pass, if they haven't already. Ehrlich admits that things are even more dire than he originally forecasted; not just from the size of the predicament, but because of the lack of social willingness and political courage to address or even acknowledge the situation.
In his interview with Ehrlich, Martenson directly addresses the criticism above, and here's Ehrlich's answer:

Chris Martenson: .... I have to ask this – some say that your dire warnings were so far off the mark in '68, surely you must be equally off base today, or something like that. How do you respond to your critics?

Paul Ehrlich : Well, first of all, many of the things that are reported as which were predictions in 1968 were actually scenarios. In other words, if you look at The Population Bomb it will say "what follows are not predictions, they are little stories about the future that won’t come true, but will help you think about it."

 

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It's also worth noticing that some of Ehrlich's "scenarios" haven't materialized on schedule, because of developments like GMO, mass use of herbicides, and fracking to increase oil production. Those inventions have allowed the explosion of the economy & population to continue longer than he expected, but at a long-run cost that will only make things ultimately worse.
 

Richard Stanley

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The video that I posted here, discusses the various social dynamics that naturally self-limits human population growth, as respective societies gain sufficient access to relative economic status typical for the so-called modern world. As couples perceive economic stability and access to such as decent health care, they naturally begin to reduce offspring to a stable level.

Unfortunately our tax policies incentivize benefits for the upper 1% at the expense of everyone else, and Trump's big tax deal (and more) will only accelerate this problem for the USA.

Ironically, we could possibly beneficially reduce corporate tax rates even more, if we offset them via increasing progressive marginal income tax rates on individuals. Doubly ironic, was that this approach was generally that of the original income tax system, where a large bottom segment of society did not even qualify for filing. The incentives realized by doing both would allow corporations to grow and employ more, as stock owners and management are heavily incentivized to recirculate profits back into the corporation, rather than cashing out to buy more mansions, yachts, and helicopters.

This was also basically the system during the highest economic growth spurt of the USA (including the middle class), during the 1940's and 1950's period acclaimed by some to be the apex of American culture. The peak marginal income tax rate was 90%. The rates were reduced under the notion that the Randy 'job creators' would naturally create more jobs with their increased bank accounts, but the metrics disprove this in that they are rather inefficient producers of jobs via such means. Better, for them, to blame such as LSD and such.
 

lorenhough

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Give thanks to trump as he plays the game
Give a little to take a lot
He is controlled by the big boys who control all sides
But we still must point out the good useful helpful things any one does no matter how bad they are
Joe and I think
The big boys want you to kill your children...????? what ???
Well that's what the do at grove on the Russia river in ca. The burning of there problems makes it ok to do bad things ??
Women has the right to kill there children? the father who's baby is to has no say???
The new age religious thinking is do as they will
???
It's not life
But they have to kill it???
Were have all the children gone?

Joe atwill said his daughters are not having any ????
500 million no room for more
On there train
They will pick who has children and how many like cattle

Be wild be free of slave masters
Be with your wife
No sex till you are married to bond
For the children for families for our future

Or 1984 brave new world will be owr future
In mega smart cities
With world governing
Rich technical money mined rulers
Who will do anything they want
No bad or good just
How to stay in power and have maximum fun

7 min.

 
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Jerry Russell

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I moved Loren's latest post here because overall, the post is more about population issues than about Trump.

Give thanks to trump as he plays the game
Give a little to take a lot
He is controlled by the big boys who control all sides
Just in passing, I'd like to ask: in what way has Trump "taken a lot"? What are we supposed to thank him for?

Why would you say that he is only "controlled by the big boys" when he is, in so many ways, a "big boy" himself? (Billionaire real estate speculator, media celebrity, etc.)?

But we still must point out the good useful helpful things any one does no matter how bad they are
On this point I agree. Few people are completely black or white.

Also, just because an idea is promoted by someone who we consider an elite insider, doesn't automatically make the idea wrong in itself.

Joe atwill said his daughters are not having any ????
500 million no room for more
If Joe Atwill's daughters don't want to have any more children, what right do you or Joe have to complain about it? How is this your business?

500 Million: We now know that the text of the Guidestones was written by Herbert Hinie Kersten, a doctor from Fort Dodge, Iowa. So how do we know that this 500 Million isn't just Kersten's opinion?

Ben Davidson thinks that some of the elite would like to see 100 billion people on the planet, all enslaved. How do you know he's wrong?

Be wild be free of slave masters
Be with your wife
No sex till you are married to bond
For the children for families for our future
What if a man doesn't want to be servant to his wife and children?

The Catholic church is well known for its opposition to all forms of birth control.

Catholic countries are notorious for their tremendous population growth rates, but it doesn't make them the most prosperous. What good is it to have a lot of children, if they all wind up being serfs on the plantation?

Perhaps the Catholics are the other side of this false dialectic, in opposition to some Zionist Neocons who would like to see 500 million Elect in a post-apocalyptic world?
 

lorenhough

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O give me a wall
To keep the Huns out and
Let's those who don't want to pay taxes for baby killing
And if people don't want to be a part of it let them be
And the sky is not cloudy all day
Home home on the range
Written by a man in Kansas

The big boys tell the ladies they don't need men
Big government will take care of them
Give the men sex dolls and porn

Gmo pesticides kill ya
And don't give as much food over time as organic
The soils keep water better during dry times

Go kill your children if you want
My girl friends killed 8 of my children and I could do nothing
Sex drugs and rock gods I was feed and I drank the cool aide

Trump takes from the poor and gives to the rich tax cuts o yes
Trillion men tell the billionaire what to do.

China killed how many people??
Then put gun to your head if you had more then one child
Is that ok ??

All just my 2 cents
Trying to give a old mans wisdom
May not be yours but thank you to let me give my thoughts

Paul and Wes says pop goes to 9 billion then falls fast so there is nothing to worry about in there own words
I didn't have children
Did you ??

Pauls says if you don't think like what he says you are insane?????what??
Go after the messager
Name calling is not logical

They call us cancer ..
They are the cancer
How many houses
How many cars
How many airplanes
Etc.



Go kill your self if you think there to many
I meat a man from New York
From the kill your self church
He said eat fetus for Jesus

Girls not have children
We must as why
Yes ??

Thanks wishing all well I am ok with all who think not like me
Let's us talk is all I ask ..

Any one thinks the big boys love the there cattle are dupe or payed off
They us good things for bad and control

Who gives us drugs Paul? the war is on us ..
Go to jail and be a salve ..work for nothing!!
Eyes wide open


Green house with fish and vegetables feeding each other how much food per square foot.?
People not feed today is because of the big boys
Blood diamonds

Don't worry all is ok let world governing take care of you
No thanks
They don't want good things for us
Use green mask
Pop
To get what they
Want
Wolf in the sheep skin
Ready to eat us

They can kill us
But no one can kill the earth over time it will always come back.

Look up ice ball earth when ice covered all the earth and when there was no ice on earth
In the past
Look out for rocks from the sky
Sun flare
Hold on to your hat

Snowball Earth - Wikipedia
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Jerry Russell

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Original 1872 version of the poem that evolved into "Home on the range", written by Brewster Higley of Kansas.

http://www.cowboypoetry.com/Homeon.htm#orig

The Western Home

Oh, give me a home where the buffalo roam,
Where the deer and the antelope play;
Where never is heard a discouraging word
And the sky is not clouded all day.

Oh, give me the gale of the Solomon vale
Where life streams with buoyancy flow,
On the banks of the Beaver, where seldom if ever
Any poisonous herbage doth grow.

Oh, give me the land where the bright diamond sand
Throws light from the glittering stream;
Where glideth along the graceful white swan,
Like a maid in her heavenly dreams.

I love these wild flowers in this bright land of our;
I love, too, the curlew's wild scream.
The bluffs of white rocks and antelope flocks
That graze on the hillsides so green.

How often at night, when the heavens are bright
By the light of the glittering stars,
Have I stood there amazed and asked as I gazed
If their beauty exceeds this of ours.

The air is so pure, the breezes so light,
The zephyrs so balmy at night,
I would not exchange my home here to range
Forever in azure so bright.
 

Richard Stanley

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Does Kansas have a wall to keep the red man and the Beaver out?

BTW, in that Red Ice video on Russia it opens discussing that Trump's Wall will do no good, a boondoggle.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_on_the_Range

The Lomax version:

Oh, give me a home where the buffalo roam,
And the deer and the antelope play,
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the skies are not cloudy all day.
Chorus
Home, home on the range,
Where the deer and the antelope play;
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the skies are not cloudy all day.

Where the air is so pure, the zephyrs so free,
The breezes so balmy and light,
That I would not exchange my home on the range
For all of the cities so bright.
Chorus
The red man was pressed from this part of the West
He's likely no more to return,
To the banks of Red River where seldom if ever
Their flickering camp-fires burn.
...

From the Higley version:

...
Oh! give me a gale of the Solomon vale,
Where the life streams with buoyancy flow;
On the banks of the Beaver, where seldom if ever,
Any poisonous herbage doth grow. ...​

Beaver .... what Beaver?
 

lorenhough

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The people in the past sins our not ours
I would not have killed all the buffalo to kill off the children
I walked on the longest walk to save there land
I date a princess of a tribe in Kansas and lived in a cone like them in the snow
What have you done to help them now days ?? Just asking in a friendly way
As you say things to me when you don't know me
Maybe ask not just think what you what about me please
And was in my school news paper 20 k students center fold for living in tent like Indians
Made a poster child
Very rich girls wanted me
But no
I want 100 girl friends
That gave nothing but short time fun
We don't think like we did after the mind control has done it work and we think it normal now what never was
 
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lorenhough

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STATE SONG
House Bill 198
An Act establishing a Kansas state song.


WHEREAS, The words of the song "Home on the Range," originally entitled "My Western Home, " were written by Dr. Bewster Higley, a pioneer Kansas physician, in his cabin on Beaver creek near Smith Center in 1871 or 1872; and
WHEREAS, "My Western Home" as originally written consisted of six verses. Those most often used are the first and fifth. The second verse mentions the "banks of the Beaver" which refers to Beaver creek in Kansas and the "gale of the Solomon vale" which refers to the Solomon river valley in this state; and

WHEREAS, Dan Kelly, a local druggist and friend of Doctor Higley, composed the music to "My Western Home" at the request of mutual friends of Doctor Higley and Mr. Kelly; and

WHEREAS, Although "Home on the Range" has become known as a cowboy song, the phrase, "Home on the Range" does not appear at all in the original words. While "Home on the Range" has become more popular than "My Western Home," any examination of the changed version of the music or verses reveals it as the same; and

WHEREAS, The song, "Home on the Range" is as truly Kansas as the sunflower and the jayhawks and has grown to such immense poularity that admirers in other states have often tried to change the words to make them applicable to their locality: Now therefore,

Be it inacted by the Legislature of the State of Kansas:

SECTION 1. That the song, "Home on the Range" as originally written with the words by Dr. Brewster Higley and music by Dan Kelly is hereby established as the Kansas state song. The words to such song shall be:

Oh, give me a home where the buffalo roam,
Where the deer and the antelope play,
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the sky is not clouded all day.

Chorus:
A home, a home where the deer and the antelope play,
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the sky is not clouded all day.

Oh, give me the gale of the Solomon vale,
Where life streams with buoyancy flow,
On the banks of the Beaver, where seldom if ever
Any poisonous herbage doth grow.

Oh, give me the land where the bright diamond sand
Throws its light from the glittering stream
Where glideth along the graceful white swan,
Like a maid in a heavenly dream.

I love the wild flowers in this bright land of ours;
I love too the wild curley's scream,
The bluffs and white rocks and antelope flocks
That graze on the hillsides so green.

How often at night, when the heavens are bright
With the light of the glittering stars,
Have I stood here amazed and asked as I gazed
If their glory exceeds this of ours.

The air is so pure, the breezes so free,
The zephyrs so balmy and light,
I would not exchange my home here to range
Forever in azure so bright.


My grandpa father and I and grand children born nest
3 rivers one is the Solomon river were my great grand father farmed

People come and take the land from the plants and animals
Then people fight over land
When can we for given
As the sins of the fathers are not ours
And live all together today

Jerry rich as L look at all your stuff
98% I agree with
That's why I am here




(The official words can be found online at the Kansas Statutes website. There is no direct link. Click on the link below, "Kansas Statutes Online," and in the search box titled "Search by keyword or phrase" put in: home on the range, and click on the SEARCH button. Within the hit list that comes up click on the one that is titled: 73-1301.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Thanks wishing all well I am ok with all who think not like me
Let's us talk is all I ask ..
OK, let's talk. But let's be honest here, it seems we have some serious disagreements going. We might agree about 98% of topics (or maybe less) but the 2% we disagree about are key issues.

Pauls says if you don't think like what he says you are insane?
What Paul Ehrlich said is this: "If you think that you can solve a problem by having the human population on a finite planet grow forever, then basically what you need is medical help and there is nothing I can do for you. ... [An end to population growth] is absolutely inevitable unless you are insane." And Chris Martenson agreed with him: "...instead of saying "wow, we've saddled ourselves with an economy and a monetary system that is either growing or collapsing; that seems like maybe we should fix that," we are putting everything we possibly can into assuring that we don’t have to confront the inevitable reality of that. It seems—is there a better definition if insane out there?"

Harsh words, yes. Perhaps from the point of view of winning friends and influencing people, this is not the most effective presentation.

But quite frankly, Loren, I agree with them. It's just plain bat shit crazy to think that the human race doesn't need to confront the infinite growth paradigm sooner or later.

Genesis 1 verse 28: "God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it." News flash: it's been subdued. But it's not being replenished of anything except more people.

Dear jerry just 2 min please listen to the part about the Indians
What I heard is exactly the same as Richard posted in red typeface above:

The red man was pressed from this part of the West
He's likely no more to return,
To the banks of Red River where seldom if ever
Their flickering camp-fires burn.

That's what you heard too, Loren?

As a person who has fought for Indian rights in Kansas, and lived with the Indians in their native condition: do those lyrics sound OK to you? To me, it smacks of smug satisfaction at a genocide thoroughly done.

Kudos to the Kansas legislature for leaving this out of their official state anthem.

The people in the past sins our not ours
True, and I feel the same way. But as Richard is trying to point out, Kansas would not belong to White people today if it weren't for what happened in the past.

The USA defeated Mexico and took California as the spoils. And I'm not saying that white people need to evacuate California and give it back. But where does the justification come, to build a wall?

If it would not be OK to build a wall around Kansas to keep Indians out, why is it OK to build a wall across California and Texas to keep Mexicans out?

O give me a wall
To keep the Huns out
Huns, a racist slur against Germans (aka White People)? Mexicans, the new Huns?

Do you have any idea, Loren, how offensive this is?

But no
I want 100 girl friends
That gave nothing but short time fun
We don't think like we did after the mind control has done it work and we think it normal now what never was
So what would your younger self have thought, if old man Loren had been able to force him to settle for just one woman? Wouldn't young Loren have been outraged at the infringement on his freedom?

New age mind control teaches men to want many women, and no kids. Catholic mind control teaches men to want at most one woman, and many kids. We've been mind controlled six ways to Sunday.

What if we could learn to think for ourselves. Do you believe we would all reach the same conclusion?

Some men are monogamous, some are gay, some polygamous, some celibate, some trans. Live and let live? (I'd make an exception for pedophilia, which is obviously not OK for the kids involved.)
 

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Go kill your self if you think there to many
I meat a man from New York
From the kill your self church
He said eat fetus for Jesus

It's true, there actually was a "Church of Euthanasia" whose slogans were "Save the planet, kill yourself" and, yes, "Eat a gay fetus for Jesus". It seems to have been a joke, a self-parody of environmentalism, and yet also ultimately very serious. The church (as such) seems to have folded around 2005 or so, but lives on in this documentary movie (now in production and seeking funding).


At 4:38, church founder Chris Korda seems to be speaking from the heart when he says:

We were testing the limits of free speech, definitely. In theory, we're committed to having earth stay habitable for humans indefinitely. That's what it says in the United Nations Charter. We're committed to intergenerational justice, which means not consuming everything that there is to be consumed in this lifetime, so that everybody in the future gets nothing. We've claimed that people in the future have a right to exist, but in practice we've declared war on the future.
Also "Who is Vermin Supreme", available on Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Who-Vermin-Supreme-Outsider-Odyssey/dp/B01N2NLS1T/

And, the archived church website: http://churchofeuthanasia.org

According to the FAQ,

9. Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

I'll kill myself when I feel like it. Suicide is OPTIONAL. Maybe if people stopped having so many babies, we could build a compassionate, sustainable future, and I wouldn't want to kill myself anymore. Just kidding!
 

lorenhough

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Yes I know kris and helped hiM
But he met rainbow people at gatherings and said we more of them not less
Vermin is a good friend of mine he is a life time actor also a rainbow person see my new post non linear war fare.

I was I elder long time supporter
I think rainbows gatherings now is part of CIA
I know as I have said here the guys who started it 1972 1st earth day

Kris and vermin use eat a fetus to make fun of right to life protest kris says people from outer space told him??? Ha ha
Spirt cooking ? Eating fetus ..Rothschilds part where they eat people fake blood and people on table as food.

4 min.


All part of the same game
Hurt families
Harden your hearts

Think how does vermin get on prime time and not you or Joe he doesn't talk about 9-11
If you watch the prime time show you will see dead heads on his vest.. Mmmm
Are people vermin?
The big boys think so

The same people who gave you 911 killed JFK gave us ww1 and 2
Do you trust them to tell us how many people there are in the world?
They count but we don't
We are asked to trust them
And then make life decisions
I didn't have children
Joe Jan opened my eyes

Ok,ok enough 2 on one
Have Said what I want
Let it be
Never want to make you upset with me,

Now many new people in Germany
How many rapes
Is that the boys plan yes there books say so.
Jerry you Joe talked about it
You can't see it happening here ? And they make our taxes take care of them ..

Ok but I do.

Please be easy on me
Let's be friends
If you want me to agree
If that wil make you happy
Ok sorry
More important for me to get along
 
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Jerry Russell

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Vermin is a good friend of mine he is a life time actor also a rainbow person see my new post non linear war fare.
What makes you so sure "Vermin Supreme" is a "lifetime actor"? Where does it say anything specific about him in "Non-linear warfare"?

Vermin's style of humor is not exactly to my taste. But can't you see that he is making a spoof of the Rothschilds and their Illuminati parties, and not endorsing them?

Why are you so quick to throw your ex-friends under the bus?

Now many new people in Germany
How many rapes
Is that the boys plan yes there books say so.
Jerry you Joe talked about it
You can't see it happening here ?
Yes, it's happening here.

The question is, what do we do about it? Circle the wagons around our white supremacist neighborhoods, and keep bombing the crap out of Islamic nations? Or advocate for peace, tolerance and understanding among races and religions?

If you want me to agree
If that wil make you happy
We don't want you to agree with us because we've bullied you into it. We hope you'll agree with us because we're right.

Ok,ok enough 2 on one
Have Said what I want
Let it be
Not fair. You want to say what you want, but you don't want to let us answer??
 

Richard Stanley

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"Seeing double with the wrong .... " eight.

There's your trouble!


The problem with most people and such as the main Cultural institution of Western Civilization (which may be why "most people" are this way) is the binary, "either/or", good/evil", one-size-fits-all approach to life they take. Yet they know that they must buy the appropriate size shoe, or not doing so will create massive problems.

Ironically, Jerry and I have just discussed that the Holy Mother Church, in the last few hundred years has evolved to a much more sophisticated approach to societal economy than before (albeit while cynically promoting both of the economic extremes to either side of its new desired position). This, while it still promotes a one-size-fits-all solution for human sexuality, excepting commands and dispensations for celibacy and pedophilia for priests that is.

You went from discovering one extreme didn't suit you, to spouselessly espousing the opposite extreme, after neurotically wanting babies so bad. Why didn't you make sure next mommie candidate #X, Y, or Z didn't want babies as well ... in the first place? Now your biological clock is running out and you want to provide us defective one-size-fits-all moral lessons from the Church. At least the Jews and the Muslims could get a divorce when things didn't work out.

BTW, Did you ask Joe's daughters if they mind you discussing their personal lives?

More advice: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/female-personality-traits-qualities-women-smart-honest-positive-kind-compromises-kind-a8174116.html

Of course, even the above is yet too simplistic. For instance, it states that your prospective wife should have a good relationship with her parents. But what happens, if her parents had kept her and her siblings locked up and starved, like those kids in Riverside County, CA recently? Well, those girls will be off-limits for you Loren. (I mean when they grow up that is.)

Plato said one should "know themselves" and now you know, "there's your trouble".
 

lorenhough

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We don't want you to agree with us because we've bullied you into it. We hope you'll agree with us because we're right.

Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
'Til there are no rich no more?
I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you
Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, Monopoly
I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you
World pollution, there's no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Them and us, stop the war
I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you
 
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lorenhough

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One more Then trake a break fora few days ( my friends above are CIA who I know like tune back of my hand years and years of study and Joe and. Jans insights) here is my answer
Thanks

 
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