Tattvas/Tattwas Another Hidden Method of Control like NLP

[Mark Gordon Brown]

Hi Misters Atwill and Russell,

I would like to introduce another method of control into the mix. That being Tattvas or Tattwas. Traditionally these are colored shapes used in meditation. Coming originally from a Hindu/Hindoo source these were and are also used by The Order of The Golden Dawn and other Magickal orders.

When a person looks at a Tattva or Tattwa for a period of time a reverse of the image will remain in this vision and in their mind for a period of time afterwards. These are said to open doorways to other planes of existence and such.

However, why I am presenting this as a method of control like NLP is because Tattva/Tattwa effect (for lack of a better term) is used often in advertising and in other forms of media.

Tattvas/Tattwas use Two or More colors of the same intensity to achieve this effect of reversing the image on the retina and possibly in the brain. Most country flags make use of same intensity colors for example. Much product packaging uses same intensity colors as do commercials for products. Every so often films and television will make use of this Tattva/Tattwa effect.

One film that used it very overtly was Jodorowsky's The Holy Mountain, although I will say I believe Jodorowsky to be a connected person who was and is disgusted by his connections and tried to warn not the general public but the willful idiot( as Jan would call them) underground to take another look at the things they are into. This film has characters in the opening scenes very much like Vito and Sus Paulekas and a lot of occult themes. But that is another issue and I only brought this film up because the use of Tattva/Tattwa effect used therein.

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

I did not bring up another aspect of Tattvas/Tattwas along with this color intensity issue because I believe it is unrelated to the effect I am trying to discuss here. That being the sacred geometry aspect oin Tattvas/Tattwas which I feel is another avenue being used for mind control, however much bigger issue then this same intensity color thing. Sorry for this disjointedness of that last idea. I just am not quite sure how to put it into words.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Is this the sort of thing you're talking about? (Cover for Derek Murphy's new book.) The colors clash severely enough that they seem to vibrate.

 

[Mark Gordon Brown]

Hi Jerry,
That is a variation of it but it can be as simple as a Tide or Captn Crunch box. I must admit I have been making my own alternative media memes based on this principle. Like this one for instance

The ones used in Hinduism and in the Golden Dawn are like this

Then we look at advertising

or

These are not just bright colors these are colors with the same intensity.Thus the image imprints on the retina and in the brain.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but are these Golden Dawn Tattvas also incorporating the somewhat esoteric psychological/neuropsychology (sorry I don't know which field this idea is more relatable or connected with) concept of phosphenes? The images generated by the subconscious presumably, when human minds experience sensory deprivation, also called the prisoners cinema. I am not that well studied in the GD techniques though I have some of their second hand teachings from other authors do I have to admit I have never seen these particular images. I am very interested though in the idea that these groups were using subtle neuroscience techniques to manipulate and or control in a broad sense which I think is where you were going with this.

As a cautionary note I found this concept in a Thomas Sheridan book a while back and was intrigued but found it hard to verify what he was talking about when I looked into main stream sources on the subject, so this could be a question with an inadvertent red herring inside of it. I apologize in advance if that is the case.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Phosphenes are visual perceptions that aren't caused by visual scenes projecting light on the retina. In sensory deprivation experiments there is no light, nothing to see, but cells in the visual system go right on firing anyhow for various reasons, causing illusions. As Wiki points out, "pressure phosphenes" can easily be experienced by rubbing your palms against closed eyes. It's easy to imagine that drugs or sensory deprivation could cause much more intense phosphenes. Pressure phosphenes apparently originate in the retina, which is "subconscious" in a sense, but involves the same neural pathways as ordinary perception of the visual scene. I don't know any reason to doubt that other types of phosphenes could originate elsewhere in the cortex or subcortex, similar to dreams, in the deep subconscious (whatever that is.)

It's also very possible that intense colors, or intense phosphenes, might have subconscious effects different from more pastel (ordinary) situations.

I don't know how much real & unclassified research has been done on the effectiveness of any of the psychological manipulation tactics we discuss on the website. It's definitely a question I'm interested in looking deeper into.

 

[Craig_Bickford]

Phosphenes are visual perceptions that aren't caused by visual scenes projecting light on the retina. In sensory deprivation experiments there is no light, nothing to see, but cells in the visual system go right on firing anyhow for various reasons, causing illusions. As Wiki points out, "pressure phosphenes" can easily be experienced by rubbing your palms against closed eyes. It's easy to imagine that drugs or sensory deprivation could cause much more intense phosphenes. Pressure phosphenes apparently originate in the retina, which is "subconscious" in a sense, but involves the same neural pathways as ordinary perception of the visual scene. I don't know any reason to doubt that other types of phosphenes could originate elsewhere in the cortex or subcortex, similar to dreams, in the deep subconscious (whatever that is.)

It's also very possible that intense colors, or intense phosphenes, might have subconscious effects different from more pastel (ordinary) situations.

I don't know how much real & unclassified research has been done on the effectiveness of any of the psychological manipulation tactics we discuss on the website. It's definitely a question I'm interested in looking deeper into.

Yeah I think you said at the end what I was trying to get at, the use of the knowledge of phosphines possibly a psychological mechanism or subconscious element ithat is connected with them and their use in programming based on prior said knowledge. As in using these images that appear as phosphines because it's known that these objects will be recognizable at some level of consciousness in people's minds, which I know is very speculative concept. This is all based on a premise which may not be true, and I promise that I understood was that there are are ASETS of phosphines that are common to all humans and have been cataloged in the form of symbols.

It's a fascinating one to me though .