Shake a spear oligarchies here; The trilateral commission & technocracy Brave New World is end Game

lorenhough

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Patrick wood has worked with Anthony Sutton intimately on a magazine has studied the trilateral commission for over 25 years, Who picks the presidents? What is king Hubert have to do with the price of gas? Beyond capitalism to energy credits, better then kings bankers we get technocrats?

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    . Between Two Ages: America and the Technetronic Era by Zbigniew Brzezinski

    1. Prof. A In his book Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era (New York: Viking Press;1970), Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote: “For impressive evidence of Western participation in the early phase of Soviet economic growth, see Antony C. Sutton's Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917–1930, which argues that 'Soviet economic development for 1917–1930 was essentially dependent on Western technological aid' (p.283), and that 'at least 95 per cent of the industrial structure received this assistance.' “(p. 348).

    2. John Taylor Gatto on Brzezinski: "Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote his famous signature book Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era in 1970, a piece reeking with Fabianisms: dislike of direct popular power, relentless advocacy of the right and duty of evolutionarily advanced nations to administer less-developed parts of the world, revulsion at populist demands for "selfish self-government" (homeschooling would be a prime example), and stress on collectivism. Brzezinski said in the book:14 It will soon be possible to assert almost continuous control over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date files containing even the most personal details about health and personal behavior of every citizen, in addition to the more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. Power will gravitate into the hands of those who control information."

    10. Professor Antony C. Sutton

    1. Wall Street and Hitler

    2. Wall Street and Bolshevik Revolution

    3. Wall Street and FDR
 
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Jerry Russell

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Sutton's stuff is all fantastic material, and well worth reading & study. Trilateral & CFR are obviously important, but I suspect that the whole "Technocratic" agenda is a smokescreen for what's really an old-fashioned oligarchical feudalist agenda.
 

Richard Stanley

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I don't understand your use of the term 'smokescreen' here Jerry. Perhaps better would be that the "Technocratic" agenda, as depicted, is just one means, among several, of implementing the "old-fashioned oligarchical feudalist agenda"? One means, among several, such as 'old-time' religion, and 'new-time' religion.

Also, as we've discussed before, I think that the real problem, like with false dialectics vs. real ones, the dilemma for all of us is just who gets to wield the appropriate tools of governance and this 'Technocracy'. How do we separate their agenda from the best interests of wider humanity and our ... uhmm 'environment'? Do we throw the technological baby out with the bath water?
 

lorenhough

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Richard, Jerry; Here is the baby we want; Volitional science


Volition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Volition may refer to: Volition (psychology), the process of making and acting on decisions Coherent Extrapolated Volition, hypothetical choices and the actions ...

By Andrew Joseph Galambos
(born Ifj. Galambos Jozsef Andras, June 28, 1924, in Hungary; died in Orange County, California on April 10, 1997) was an astrophysicist and philosopher who innovated a social structure that seeks to maximize human peace and freedom. While Galambos had much in common with his classical liberal contemporaries, his most unique contributions concerned his theories on intellectual property, and his advocacy of a stateless society totally free of coercion, political or otherwise. He also is noteworthy for his integration of a wide variety of scientific, economic, and historical inputs in the creation of his ideal social structure, which he termed "The Natural Republic." [1] Galambos distinguished his theory from that of Ludwig von Mises, subscribing to the same 'subjective theory of value' in economics but deriving it from his own definition of property.[2]

The well-known libertarian author and 1996 Presidential candidate of the Libertarian Party, Harry Browne wrote of Andrew Galambos after his death:

“He was an influential libertarian, but I refer to him as ‘the unknown libertarian’ because he never wrote a book or appeared on national radio or TV. His renown will be limited mostly to those who came in personal contact with him. But he had a profound effect on thousands of individuals who took his courses — who in turn affected others. Undoubtedly the ripples from the stones he dropped eventually touched some of today's leading libertarians.”[3]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Joseph_Galambos


Volitional science
Galambos rejected the term social science, in part because most social scientists do not employ the scientific method to test their hypotheses. Jay Snelson suggested the term "volitional science" for its implication that volition, meaning the act of choosing, is at the center of Galambos' philosophy.[10]

In course V-50, Galambos laid out his two postulates of volitional science:

  • "Postulate Number One: All volitional beings live to pursue happiness,"[11] and
  • "Postulate Number Two: All concepts of happiness pursued through moral action are equally valid."[12]
Galambos equates immoral action with coercion[13][14] and defines freedom as "the societal condition wherein every individual has one hundred percent control over his own property."[15][16] Galambos derives his theory from these postulates. The essence of Course V-50 is Galambos' elaboration of his theory of volitional science and his application of that science to solve the problems of human society.


Golden Rule
Galambos explained that the positive version of the Golden Rule (“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”) was problematic because it implied that it was acceptable for person A to “meddle” in the affairs of another provided person A would likewise appreciate the same thing done “unto” him/her. Galambos instead preferred the double negative version of the Golden Rule as the foundation for his philosophy. The double negative version is: “Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you.” Galambos explained that this version is “not subject to meddlesome interpretation.”[23]

Property
Galambos’ concept of property was basic to his philosophy. He defined property as a man’s life and all non-procreative derivatives of his life.

Galambos taught that property is essential to a non-coercive social structure. That is why he defined freedom as follows: “Freedom is the societal condition that exists when every individual has full (100%) control over his own property.”[17]Galambos defines property as having the following elements:

  • Primordial property, which is an individual’s life
  • Primary property, which includes ideas, thoughts, and actions
  • Secondary property, which includes all tangible and intangible possessions which are derivatives of the individual's primary property.
Property includes all non-procreative derivatives of an individual’s life; this means children are not the property of their parents,[18] and also "primary property" (a person's own ideas).[19]

Galambos emphasized repeatedly that true government exists to protect property and that the state attacks property.

For example, the state requires payment for its services in the form of taxes whether or not people desire such services. Since an individual’s money is his property, the confiscation of money in the form of taxes is an attack on property. Military conscription is likewise an attack on a person’s primordial property. In the U.S. as of the early 21st century, there is a widespread public impression that military conscription no longer exists. To the contrary, it is required that all men between ages 18 and 26 register for conscription. Failure to do so is punishable by imprisonment and substantial fines.


Intellectual property

In course V-201 Galambos focuses on primary property, which in his usage is quite similar to what has been called “intellectual property”. Galambos argued that intellectual property owners should have primary control over their own ideas and over how others might use those ideas. According to Galambos, all forms of property come from a combination of "primordial property" (a person's life)[18] and "primary property" (a person's own ideas).[19] By using the natural resources available in the physical universe, individuals use their primordial property, guided by primary property (actions, guided by ideas, respectively) to create "secondary property".[20][21]

Galambos posited that intellectual property deserved every bit as much, if not more, protection and recognition as secondary property. His rationale for this can be explained by the following example:

Few would question that Ludwig van Beethoven’s music was his intellectual property and that it should be protected. Current copyright laws do protect musical compositions but only for a limited period of time. Galambos taught that protection of artistic creations should be perpetual.
 
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lorenhough

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While most would acknowledge Beethoven's intellectual property in the form of his musical compositions, almost everyone would deny that Isaac Newton’s discovery and description of the universal law of gravitation is Newton’s property. Newton’s law of gravitation, as he expounded it, is no less a creation of his mind than Beethoven’s 5th symphony. Beethoven created his music by his unique skill in the musical arts of composition, melody, harmony, counterpoint, and orchestration. Newton created his description of the universal law of gravitation by his unique skill in integrating the discoveries of his intellectual antecedents such as Galileo Galilei and Johannes Kepler. Furthermore, in order to work out his theory of gravitation, Newton had to innovate a completely new form of mathematics, the calculus. (Newton's contemporary, Gottfried Leibniz, also developed the calculus independently of Newton.)

Galambos recognized that more than one person could create a specific new idea, including a scientific theory, independently of each other. He allowed for that in course V-201 by innovating a method to determine whether two or more innovators of the same thing are independent of each other.

In the spirit of his teaching on intellectual property, some of Galambos' students were required to acknowledge a "proprietary notice" which asked those students to give credit (both intellectually and financially) for the information gleaned from his courses; later he required that all participants in his lectures sign a non-disclosure agreement to prevent publication of his ideas before he published them himself. Students were allowed to take notes for their private use and most lectures were taped.

Galambos acknowledged and gave credit to antecedent sources such as Thomas Paine's writings, as typified by Common Sense and article 4 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen -- "4. Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law.".


Government versus the State

Galambos defined government as “any person or organization that sells services to protect property to which the owner of the property can voluntarily subscribe.” He described the term "state" as any person or organization that claims to protect property by coercing the owner of the property to use and pay for its services, claiming ‘legality’ as justification. According to these definitions, a government mechanism can be an insurance company that protects an individual’s home from criminal activity and casualty loss such as fire or storm damage. A state is any political entity with coercive power, from a municipality to the political organization known as the United States of America.[22]

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***** Andrew Galambos in hid own words; here for your self!*****

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T&H Presents: The Peace Revolution Podcast — July 26, 2012 9:11 am
Peace Revolution episode 061: Cybernetics, Technocracy, and Agenda 21 / The Revolution is in Between Your Ears
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Reference Map to Episode 061:
(minutes 0-2) Star Trek and Books (on YouTube)
(2m-9m) Agenda 21’s Public-Private Partnership Strategy by Joan Veon (on YouTube)
(9m-13m) Learned Helplessness (on YouTube)
(13m-20m) Richard’s opening monologue
(20m-1h) Technocracy by Patrick Wood (on YouTube)
(1h-2h) Corbett Report # 230 Social Engineering by James Corbett
(2h-3h20) Agenda 21 Explained, by John Anthony (on YouTube)
(3h20-4h) U.N. Earth Summit 1992: Making World Government A Reality by George Washington Hunt (on YouTube)
(Document) 1992 U.N.C.E.D. (Agenda 21) Documents from George Washington Hunt (on Scribd)
(Person) Maurice Strong (on Wikipedia)
(Person) Edmund de Rothschild (on Wikipedia)
(4h-4h-40) History of U.N. Disarmament and U.N. gun-ban treaty July 2012 by Bob Dacy and Alex Jones (on YouTube)
(4h40-5h) Samples from “The Net” cybernetics and psywar documentary (on YouTube)
(5h-6h20) Hour 1 of a 6-hour Cybernetics Tutorial and History by Professor Umpleby (on YouTube)
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Alan Watts thoughts on
technocracy
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/cutting-through-matrix-alan/id154490096?mt=2&i=319394015
 

lorenhough

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Technocracy

The dark horse of the New World Order is not Communism, Socialism or Fascism. It is Technocracy.

With meticulous detail and an abundance of original research, Patrick M. Wood uses Technocracy Rising to connect the dots of modern globalization in a way that has never been seen before so that the reader can clearly understand the globalization plan, its perpetrators and its intended endgame.

In the heat of the Great Depression during the 1930s, prominent scientists and engineers proposed a utopian energy-based economic system called Technocracy that would be run by those same scientists and engineers instead of elected politicians. Although this radical movement lost momentum by 1940, it regained status when it was conceptually adopted by the elitist Trilateral Commission (co-founded by Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller) in 1973 to be become its so-called "New International Economic Order."


In the ensuing 41 years, the modern expression of Technocracy and the New International Economic Order is clearly seen in global programs such as Agenda 21, Sustainable Development, Green Economy, Councils of Governments, Smart Growth, Smart Grid, Total Awareness surveillance initiatives and more.

Wood contends that the only logical outcome of Technocracy is Scientific Dictatorship, as already seen in dystopian literature such as Brave New World by Aldous Huxley (1932) and Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell (1948), both of whom looked straight into the face of Technocracy when it was still in its infancy.

With over 250 footnotes, an extensive bibliography and clarity of writing style, Wood challenges the reader to new levels of insight and understanding into the clear and present danger of Technocracy, and how Americans might be able to reject it once again.

http://www.technocracyrising.com/

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/04/RIR-150422.php

Patrick Wood - Hour 1 - Technocracy Rising April 22, 2015 Patrick Wood is an author and lecturer who has studied elite globalization policies since the late 1970's, when he partnered with the late Antony C. Sutton to coauthor Trilaterals Over Washington. Patrick is with us to introduce his latest book, Technocracy Rising: The Trojan Horse of Global Transformation. This follow-up to his works on the Trilateral Commission details how the organization quietly adopted a modified version of historic technocracy to craft a movement it called a “New International Economic Order.”

brave new world was write in the age of techentronic 1930s


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Between Two Ages
: America's Role in the Technetronic Era is a book written by Zbigniew...

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Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era [Zbigniew K. Brzezinski] on …
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[The author's] range of investigation sweeps from New Left politics to the bureaucratization of Soviet communism. Mostly, he examines the ambivalence inherent in America's dual role as disseminator of the technetronic revolution and principal preserver of the international status quo. Brzezinski's optimistic conclusions may comfort a few, but his cavalier treatment of contrary analyses, combined with his past record of undistinguished prognostication, can hardly leave them smug. The opinions are strong and, in general, challenge everyone, from the concerned layman to the practicing scholar
 
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Peace Revolution episode 088: The U.N.-American Agenda / World Federalism and the United Nations Gambit

Understanding why some scientists think they are superior to all men there the new priest beyond banks beyond religion!

Download This and listen to it when you came some of the best good stuff in the land. LH
3:50 in here mr wood say 30,000 scientists do not believe that CO2 will hurt you.

But the scientific priest that work for the big boys want to make the green mask be your slave master. As they Say cow toots will kill us. And your breath is bad becomes they say so!


Reference Map to Episode 088
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Introductory Montage

1. Warren Buffett / AI will decide who lives and dies

2. McLuhan / Medium is the Message

3. Barney Miller / Tambor + theme song

4. Rosa Koire / Brzezinski

5. UN 1972

6. Rockefeller U.N. founding

7. Cronkite / Pay your UN dues

8. Dacy UNIDIR

9. 1972 pollution

10. Rosa Koire / Agenda 21

11. McLuhan 1 global village

12. UN conf 3 population control

13. David Rockefeller population control

14. Koire / Population Control

15. Dacy / U.N. wants to collect and destroy small arms

16. Napolitano 1 individual rights

17. Dacy / U.N. 29a

18. Cronkite anarchy

19. McLuhan 2 global village

20. Dick Gregory / Rodney King

21. Koire / Defining the NWO

22. Lee Camp MOC

23. Dick Gregory / Wire tapping

24. Napolitano 1a

25. Veon PPP 2

26. McLuhan 3 / Collectivism

27. Hillary PPP dept state aspen cocacola

28. Koire / PPP = Fascism

29. Veon / World Fed

30. Cronkite world federalism

31. Adam Curtis / Fuck You Buddy

32. Koire / Delphi Technique

33. Hillary Cronkite

34. Rosa Koire / Why would anyone do that?

35. On government land

36. Veon PPP sample

37. Koire / community vs individual

38. Rachel Maddow / 9-11 comic book

39. Hillary Al Qaeda

40. Dick Gregory / Hillary + Mena

41. “they are the ones you should be arresting” Barney Miller Trilateral Commission

42. Rachel Maddow / Infowars Conspiracy Theory

43. Koire / Sophisticated warfare

44. Veon 2 U.N. great Britain

45. Dacy / UN summary cockroaches

46. Barney Miller Destroys David Rockefeller

47. Barney Miller “world government” quote

48. Napolitano 2 presidents

49. Ben Swann Militarization of Police

50. Adam Curtis / Bing Crosby Freedom

51. Dacy 2 / 2nd amendment for freedom

52. Veon central banks / UN

53. Dacy / UN 1961 disarmament

54. Koire / you are the resistance

a. D Gregory / know who you are

56. Richard’s Introductory Monologue

57. Rosa Koire Agenda discussing 21, interviewed in Denmark by Age of Truth TV

58. Caravan to midnight #260: John B. Wells interviews Patrick Wood on Technocracy

59. Joan Veon: Is one world govt coming?

60. Stanley Monteith with Michael Shaw/ Speaking of Agenda 21

61. 1972 United Nations Environmental Commission video

62. PBS American Experience: Rockefellers documentary (pts 1&2)

63. Nelson Rockefeller / History Channel

64. Walter Cronkite accepts World Federalist Global Governance Award (in its entirety so you have full context)

65. Marshall McLuhan “The medium is message” lecture

66. Bob Dacy documents the timeline of UN disarmament agenda for America

67. Hidden influence documentary by Richard Heathen

68. Dick Gregory 911: The America Too Few Know About

69. The Trap- F*ck you buddy (A*am C*rtis)

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Peace Revolution episode 027: DIAMONDS / The Jewel of Denial / Outgrowing Stockholm Syndrome

Peace Revolution episode 023: How to Free Your Mind / The Occulted (Hidden) Keys of Wisdom

Peace Revolution episode 046: Liberty is Life / Practical Applications of Rationality

Peace Revolution episode 047: Slavery is Death / Practical Applications of Irrationality

Peace Revolution episode 048: The Philosophy of Life / This is John Galt Speaking

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lorenhough

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I don't understand your use of the term 'smokescreen' here Jerry. Perhaps better would be that the "Technocratic" agenda, as depicted, is just one means, among several, of implementing the "old-fashioned oligarchical feudalist agenda"? One means, among several, such as 'old-time' religion, and 'new-time' religion.

Also, as we've discussed before, I think that the real problem, like with false dialectics vs. real ones, the dilemma for all of us is just who gets to wield the appropriate tools of governance and this 'Technocracy'. How do we separate their agenda from the best interests of wider humanity and our ... uhmm 'environment'? Do we throw the technological baby out with the bath water?
. To all with open mind.

keep the baby yea it's ours to LOVE. Science can help us or can be used against us. Yes?

I love Science and what it can give us; but I do not want to be ruled by it I am not a slave to scientist priest Masters Who think only they know if all, as some scientist think they are superior to all men and have the right to tell us how to live. Or to give us no privacy, Or to kill us if they think there's too many people. In their brave new world. Mother and father for me I do not want to come from a test tube please! Have met so many women in Fiji that cannot have children. Even though they try so hard. Diabetes is a ramp almost all overweight some science has brought hell to Paradise unfortunately. Why? Diet could be (is ) the key and that is the lock I wish to open.

LH
 
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lorenhough

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Peace Revolution episode 088: The U.N.-American Agenda / World Federalism and the United Nations Gambit

Understanding why some scientists think they are superior to all men there the new priest beyond banks beyond religion!

Download This and listen to it when you came some of the best good stuff in the land. LH
3:50 in here mr wood say 30,000 scientists do not believe that CO2 will hurt you.



But the scientific priest that work for the big boys want to make the green mask be your slave master. As they Say cow toots will kill us. And your breath is bad becomes they say so!


Reference Map to Episode 088
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/peace-revolution-podcast-archive/id170612809?mt=2&i=341392892

Introductory Montage

1. Warren Buffett / AI will decide who lives and dies

2. McLuhan / Medium is the Message

3. Barney Miller / Tambor + theme song

4. Rosa Koire / Brzezinski

5. UN 1972

6. Rockefeller U.N. founding

7. Cronkite / Pay your UN dues

8. Dacy UNIDIR

9. 1972 pollution

10. Rosa Koire / Agenda 21

11. McLuhan 1 global village

12. UN conf 3 population control

13. David Rockefeller population control

14. Koire / Population Control

15. Dacy / U.N. wants to collect and destroy small arms

16. Napolitano 1 individual rights

17. Dacy / U.N. 29a

18. Cronkite anarchy

19. McLuhan 2 global village

20. Dick Gregory / Rodney King

21. Koire / Defining the NWO

22. Lee Camp MOC

23. Dick Gregory / Wire tapping

24. Napolitano 1a

25. Veon PPP 2

26. McLuhan 3 / Collectivism

27. Hillary PPP dept state aspen cocacola

28. Koire / PPP = Fascism

29. Veon / World Fed

30. Cronkite world federalism

31. Adam Curtis / Fuck You Buddy

32. Koire / Delphi Technique

33. Hillary Cronkite

34. Rosa Koire / Why would anyone do that?

35. On government land

36. Veon PPP sample

37. Koire / community vs individual

38. Rachel Maddow / 9-11 comic book

39. Hillary Al Qaeda

40. Dick Gregory / Hillary + Mena

41. “they are the ones you should be arresting” Barney Miller Trilateral Commission

42. Rachel Maddow / Infowars Conspiracy Theory

43. Koire / Sophisticated warfare

44. Veon 2 U.N. great Britain

45. Dacy / UN summary cockroaches

46. Barney Miller Destroys David Rockefeller

47. Barney Miller “world government” quote

48. Napolitano 2 presidents

49. Ben Swann Militarization of Police

50. Adam Curtis / Bing Crosby Freedom

51. Dacy 2 / 2nd amendment for freedom

52. Veon central banks / UN

53. Dacy / UN 1961 disarmament

54. Koire / you are the resistance

a. D Gregory / know who you are

56. Richard’s Introductory Monologue

57. Rosa Koire Agenda discussing 21, interviewed in Denmark by Age of Truth TV

58. Caravan to midnight #260: John B. Wells interviews Patrick Wood on Technocracy

59. Joan Veon: Is one world govt coming?

60. Stanley Monteith with Michael Shaw/ Speaking of Agenda 21

61. 1972 United Nations Environmental Commission video

62. PBS American Experience: Rockefellers documentary (pts 1&2)

63. Nelson Rockefeller / History Channel

64. Walter Cronkite accepts World Federalist Global Governance Award (in its entirety so you have full context)

65. Marshall McLuhan “The medium is message” lecture

66. Bob Dacy documents the timeline of UN disarmament agenda for America

67. Hidden influence documentary by Richard Heathen

68. Dick Gregory 911: The America Too Few Know About

69. The Trap- F*ck you buddy (A*am C*rtis)

Would You Like to Know More?

See also:

Peace Revolution episode 027: DIAMONDS / The Jewel of Denial / Outgrowing Stockholm Syndrome

Peace Revolution episode 023: How to Free Your Mind / The Occulted (Hidden) Keys of Wisdom

Peace Revolution episode 046: Liberty is Life / Practical Applications of Rationality

Peace Revolution episode 047: Slavery is Death / Practical Applications of Irrationality

Peace Revolution episode 048: The Philosophy of Life / This is John Galt Speaking

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I don't understand your use of the term 'smokescreen' here Jerry. Perhaps better would be that the "Technocratic" agenda, as depicted, is just one means, among several, of implementing the "old-fashioned oligarchical feudalist agenda"? One means, among several, such as 'old-time' religion, and 'new-time' religion.

Also, as we've discussed before, I think that the real problem, like with false dialectics vs. real ones, the dilemma for all of us is just who gets to wield the appropriate tools of governance and this 'Technocracy'. How do we separate their agenda from the best interests of wider humanity and our ... uhmm 'environment'? Do we throw the technological baby out with the bath water?
To those you wish to here.

we keep the baby ! I love science it has given us so much but I did not want to be ruled by the scientist priest masters who some believe they are superior to all man and have the right to give us no privacy and to kill us if they think there's too many people. Fiji people have been given some science that has made them sick overweight diabetic and cannot have children. Diet is the key and this is the lock I wish to open. I do not wish to be a child of the test tube but want a father and mother beyond the brave New World to where we could all love one another. Is my dream i see could be where science is our friend. Not our master.

LH
 
I notice a lot of postings for PR podcasts on here. Has anyone heard or seen the video version of the two new Gnostic Media podcasts with Bill Joslin (#229 and 230)? They are specifically talking about shows in the second interview, that use NVC/NLP, one of which is some of the media that T&H produce. I used to listen to alot of their media, and still occasionally do, but they have incorporated NVC into their work, as has the School Sucks Podcast, and the work of Darrell Becker whom I think is the one who modified NVC for it's use in an integrated Trivium. This is false and erroneous use of the trivium, and Jan and Bill explain why. This has been brewing for the last year or so, when I first saw the threads on Jan's Facebook page where he took on Darrell, T&H and others for their corruption of the trivium method with NVC. I have to say these two interviews make a compelling argument against NVC, as do others who have looked into this as well like Greg Renouf and Ryan Ellson. I like some T&H material, but I no longer recommend them at the drop of a hat any more, and I warn people to be very careful when they consume their media, because of the NVC usage that has saturated their work, and their corruption of the trivium methodology.

I can testify to the use of this NVC in those same FB threads, and with some of the private messaging conversations I had with Becker about the system. He was actively manipulative and would dodge certain questions and assertions, even when they were put to him in a straight forward manner. I also gave up contributing to T&H and wrote a short little piece about why I was stopping contributions until this was settled last year. I got a little bit of some negative attention, but it was largely ignored I believe. I know Richard Grove responded too it a few weeks back suspiciously right before Jan's interviews were being done, but since I no longer am a member over there I can not see the responses any more. Once again, if anyone wants to friend Jan Irvin on FB, or maybe ask him if he has a transcript of that thread with Becker and company on it, it's pretty enlightening (I believe it was a post abut his feud/disagreement with Joe Rogan where it all started, but I'm not 100% on that, and I left FB about a year ago so I have not seen what is going on with that thread now). Bill covers this overt NVC manipulation that Becker and others were using, and it's dissected in the end of part one I think (of the GM NVC interviews). Pretty scary stuff in my opinion, considering the little bit i know now about Rosenberg's history, his Esalen and CIA connections and the role that NLP and the Delphi technique play in manipulation and it's connections to the same people. Consider your selves warned about the T&H media, and others who use NVC.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/
 
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Hello Craig,

Thanks for your comments.

My experience with NVC is mixed: I think in some situations, careful use of NVC can defuse conflicts and facilitate discovery of underlying common motives. But, in a situation where there is a lack of good will, it can't create it. I've seen claims that NVC has been used successfully in conflict situations such as the Middle East, etc., but I see very little sign of real improvement.

I feel that this little essay does a good job of summing up the problems with NVC.

http://realsocialskills.org/post/91609471897/nonviolent-communication-can-hurt-people

Nonviolent Communication can hurt people
People who struggle interpersonally, who seem unhappy, or who get into a lot of conflicts are often advised to adopt the approach of Nonviolent Communication.

This is often not a good idea. Nonviolent Communication is an approach based on refraining from seeming to judge others, and instead expressing everything in terms of your own feelings. For instance, instead of “Don’t be such an inconsiderate jerk about leaving your clothes around”, you’d say “When you leave your clothing around, I feel disrespected.”. That approach is useful in situations in which people basically want to treat each other well but have trouble doing so because they don’t understand one another’s needs and feelings. In every other type of situation, the ideology and methodology of Nonviolent Communication can make things much worse.

Nonviolent Communication can be particularly harmful to marginalized people or abuse survivors. It can also teach powerful people to abuse their power more than they had previously, and to feel good about doing so. Non-Violent Communication has strategies that can be helpful in some situations, but it also teaches a lot of anti-skills that can undermine the ability to survive and fight injustice and abuse.

[....]

NVC places a dangerous degree of emphasis on using a very specific kind of language and tone. NVC culture often judges people less on the content of what they’re saying than how they are saying it. Abusers and cluelessly powerful people are usually much better at using NVC language than people who are actively being hurt. When you’re just messing with someone’s head or protecting your own right to mess with their head, it’s easy to phrase things correctly. When someone is abusing you and you’re trying to explain what’s wrong, and you’re actively terrified, it’s much, much harder to phrase things in I-statements that take an acceptable tone.

Further, there is *always* a way to take issue with the way someone phrased something. It’s really easy to make something that’s really about shutting someone up look like a concern about the way they’re using language, or advice on how to communicate better. Every group I’ve seen that valued this type of language highly ended up nitpicking the language of the least popular person in the group as a way of shutting them up.
 
Agreed, it may be a good system for diffusing or navigating the world of negotiations in violent conflict.

But it's use has been inserted into the integrated trivium as promoted by Richard A. Grove, Lisa Arbacheski, Paul Verge, Darrell Becker, Brent Vinnotte etc., and that absolutely is a fact. The reason I commented on it to begin with is related to how prevalent it is in this alternative community (T&H), and how well defended it is. Also there seems to be a few people on here who promote T&H, which is fine, but I wanted people to be aware that this element is deeply entrenched in that community. It started around the early podcasts in the teens on PR podcasts and continues to this day as far as I know. There is also an absolute unwillingness to address this from the T&H community as far as I know. Again I no longer have a membership to T&H so I do not know if there are any new and ongoing discussions about this issue, but I suspect not or the NVC critics would have highlighted it by now, but again I don't know this with any amount of certainty. Again anyone interested in this should look at Jan Irvin's and Bill Joslin's work, they CLEARLY show how this is used to subvert cognition, change the focus to an emotionally deceptive exchange and to mind control people. Or at least this is the point of it and the argument from effect when it is considered in the context of it's use by Tides Canada, Rosenberg, CNVC.org etc., and the deep green movements and their particular brand of violent and crazy environmentalism (ref: Greg Renouf and Ryan Ellson's work at Genuine Witty blog and Dissembling.org respectively).
 
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Hello Craig,

Thanks for your comments.

My experience with NVC is mixed: I think in some situations, careful use of NVC can defuse conflicts and facilitate discovery of underlying common motives. But, in a situation where there is a lack of good will, it can't create it. I've seen claims that NVC has been used successfully in conflict situations such as the Middle East, etc., but I see very little sign of real improvement.

I feel that this little essay does a good job of summing up the problems with NVC.

http://realsocialskills.org/post/91609471897/nonviolent-communication-can-hurt-people
The methodology is strikingly similar to NLP methods also, as far as I understand how NLP is deployed and used as a tactic against people, as is hinted at in the second half of this quote you posted. Communication disruptions, insertion of value oriented words and phrases by the programmer, the ability to confuse people mid stream and remain very vague at all times so as to never let the programmer be pinned down by anything (equivocation). What they are describing is text book NLP post hypnotic suggestion, as pioneered by Milton H. Erickson, and modified by Bandler and Grinder in their seminal work on the Nuero-linguistic Programming system in the 70's. They even have endless praise for Erickson in the form of forwards in their books, and even dedicate on of their books to Erickson and his name is all over their work as well (sometimes on the covers I believe), so the path from NLP back to modern hypnosis systems is very clear.
 

Jerry Russell

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Craig, the warning on NLP and also T&H is very much appreciated. I haven't listed to any of the T&H podcasts myself, the material is so voluminous. And for the most part we try not to filter materials that our forum participants post, although I have take that step in a couple of specific instances.
 
Fair enough. I wouldn't want anyone censoring this type of information either.

I'll leave it at that and just say anyone can message me and I'll email them a copy of Mr. Grove's court decision (or search for it online, it's a publicly available document that may have been scanned into digital existence on the web) and some relevant T&H material with Grove describing his case as a whistle blower and let the person who requests it make up their own mind.
 
Fair enough. I wouldn't want anyone censoring this type of information either.

I'll leave it at that and just say anyone can message me and I'll email them a copy of Mr. Grove's court decision (or search for it online, it's a publicly available document that may have been scanned into digital existence on the web) and some relevant T&H material with Grove describing his case as a whistle blower and let the person who requests it make up their own mind.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/RBN_016
 

Jerry Russell

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Hello Craig,

Thanks for the pointer to the podcast & article by Clint Richardson. I see the concern that Grove and T&H are spinning a false reality about Grove's credentials as a whistle-blower, and that they are making inappropriate use of NVC. But I'm not sure I understand the analysis about what agenda is ultimately being promoted at T&H. Are you associating them with "deep green movements and their particular brand of violent and crazy environmentalism"? Do you see them as part of "9/11 half truth"? Or all of that, and more?

https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/spin-job-the-odd-case-of-richard-andrew-grove/

If there is one thing that needs to happen within this community of those who seek the reality of things, it must certainly be that all of our hero’s must be killed (figuratively speaking). Hero worship leads generally to acceptance of the hero’s claims not because of evidence, but because of that hero status – a personification of correctness based on the costume of legitimacy. But here we see that Captain Spin and his selling sidekicks are neither deserving of this hero (whistle-blower) status (not legally or in reality) nor of the trust that has been granted them because of this falsely presented persona. This whistle-swallower, as the judge refers to him, must not be placed upon any pedestal, be believed, or given some special credit or pass because of his claims, for no man’s pedestal should symbolically replace his burden of proof.
 
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Hello Craig,

Thanks for the pointer to the podcast & article by Clint Richardson. I see the concern that Grove and T&H are spinning a false reality about Grove's credentials as a whistle-blower, and that they are making inappropriate use of NVC. But I'm not sure I understand the analysis about what agenda is ultimately being promoted at T&H. Are you associating them with "deep green movements and their particular brand of violent and crazy environmentalism"? Do you see them as part of "9/11 half truth"? Or all of that, and more?

https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/spin-job-the-odd-case-of-richard-andrew-grove/

the deep green movement was a reference to the use of NVC in that particular area only. I have no evidence and no idea yet what T&H is spinning besides one possibility; Joslins concept that they are a lynch pin or an actual panopticon of sorts for alternative truth/911 truth media to co-opt and mix arbitrary ideas and concepts with established ones. That's about as far as I got with that, and anything beyond that would appear to be unsubstantiated and very arbitrary speculation. Short version is I don't know.
 
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