Sept. 8: Craig Rice, Anatoly Fomenko, Flat Earth. Sophistry!

[Jerry Russell]

Why would the previously unnamed entity want (us) to fry the whole world?

This is an excellent question. Loren (who has now been officially named) has long made the allegation that we are shills here. This allegation has now been seconded by Giles Gaffney. According to Jan Irvin, Joe Atwill is the head of our "cell" and is also a shill, and we are his minions.

Now, the fact is that we have clearly stated and diagnosed here that part of the elite agenda seems to be population reduction. We have furthermore acknowledged that there is a risk of nuclear annihilation and incineration of the entire planet should the elite agenda go awry.

So this does indeed raise questions of what our motivation could possibly be, if we have gone over to the dark side and are on their payroll. What could the elite possibly offer us, that would persuade us to help them in their evil schemes? Thirty pieces of silver hardly seems adequate compensation, but I can't think of anything that would be.

I know that red-headed Alexander the Great (and his elite Hellenistic Jewish friends) wanted to have the whole world, but as his fried oyster?

Excellent point. Nobody wants to own the whole world if it's nothing but a fried oyster. No sane world leader today wants a nuclear world war.

But there are legitimate questions about whether Trump might be insane and/or stupid enough not to understand likely consequences of his actions.

Also, we have arrived at a moment in history when the elite don't need nearly as many slaves as they used to, not to mention the abundance of unemployed would-be slaves world wide. Robotic technology is advancing rapidly. There is a very reasonable concern that the elite could be planning a precipitous population crash. Indeed, such an event may be beyond anyone's ability to prevent.

Numismatists attempt to give some sort of explanation to this mysterious "medieval gap" in coinage history. It is suggested that "gold coinage had been ceased by an order issued by Pepin" [8th century CE]. The council at Reims [1148 CE] allegedly forbade the use of the golden solidi of imperial Rome, and the type of coinage used allegedly "became barbaric" in the VIII century ([64], page 151).

Aside from Fomenko, several other authors are suspicious about the chronology of the 8th thru 10th centuries. If indeed there is a "phantom dark age" extending across 300 years, as these authors boldly proclaim, then there is universal agreement that there must have been a gigantic conspiracy involved at some point. (It's possible that various calendar confusions might have set the stage for the caper.)

Indeed, it is alleged that the emperor Otto III wanted to portray himself as the ruler over great millennial pageantries. Alas, the calendar said it was 300 years too early, so he needed to take charge of the situation and rewrite the course of then-recent history to fit his propaganda needs.

Islamic rulers allegedly cooperated because it helped them cover up their invention of Muhammed.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Here's Larry Lipton from a sleaze classic, The Hypnotic Eye (1960), one of the most nihilistic pieces of cinematic crap to ever grace the silver screen. Also, the script was co-written by William Woodfield, an associate of Lawrence Schiller (great name for a spook) who, with Woodfield, shot the last set of studio photos of Marilyn Monroe (another spook/fake death IMO) and Schiller then went on to record the last testament of Jack Ruby who confesses he was all alone in killing Oswald before being fake killed by fake cancer. Like swinging from branch to branch, all spooks connect some how-

Thanks Tyrone! I hope it doesn't look like we're trying to divert attention from the mysteries of Joe's grandmother and her relationship with Larry Lipton. Lipton himself was mentioned on our podcast, and Joe said he remembered Lipton as a rather evil and undesirable character. (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist.) Also, we agreed that it was certainly possible that Lipton was Craig Rice's handler, although we can't prove anything one way or the other.

 

[Richard Stanley]

The common thread of what we are witnessing with Jan, the previously unnamed entity, Trump and Bannon, etc. is indeed the purposeful employment of mass incoherence, such that the underlying mindscape can be switched out, with the main agenda, global real estate consolidation (for the Shepherd's sake) being veiled. For those that begin to focus on the problem the blame can be shifted to the convenient foil, designed for this very purpose as part of the project.

Thus Zionism narrow cast, constructed minimally or maximally, profitably distracts from the fact that the Classic Greek oligarchs (and the goy descendants till today) are engaged in the continuance of Alexander's project. Julius Caesar (second messiah of the Jews - explicitly stated) was jealous of Alexander's accomplishments when JC was the same age as Al.

But, in Jan's and Mr. Odening's mind the aristocratic land grabbing, under the virile, manly guise of Conquest is 'civilizing', yet when the Zionist Jews do so, even explicitly participating in the gentil project, there is some problem. This is a shibboleth, and the master triviator gnows it.

Steve Bannon, on last Sunday's 60 Minutes interview with Charley Rose denied that immigrants built the USA. Well, in one partial sense he was correct. First it was virtual conquistadors that conquered the USA, like the Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors did to the south. Only later did actual immigrants, like Bannon's great-great grandfather immigrate to the USA (in the 1860's) with no questions asked. An actual Catholic fifth column arrived here to degenerate the purity of White Protestant North America. And now, since the profitable sacrificial assassination of the Kennedy brothers, they have taken over.

Truly Bannon is correct that we must fix such as the immigration problem. Icksnay on all atholicsnays to start? But where will it end? Protestants were [sic] just faux Nicene Catholics. Thankfully, I do not have this Abrahamic problem. And the indigenous peoples have never said that don't love me.

I suggest a solution. I will declare a non-revocable Flash Conquest of the Entire Earth. As a consequence, I am due a humble 1% rent from all Eaters, on all Earthly assets. Who agrees with this?

Oops, too late. I pressed the button. I have appointed Jerry the treasurer, and collector of said rents. You will be happy, or else.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Here's Larry Lipton from a sleaze classic, The Hypnotic Eye (1960), one of the most nihilistic pieces of cinematic crap to ever grace the silver screen.

So you're still around. Looks like you've been busy?

This genre was just before my time in terms of being able to view, and by the time I grew up, it was only a curiosity not worthy of distracting me. Watching it now, at least, it looks very contrived and inauthentic, and as such, I wonder what relative impact it had, compared to the rest of the Beatnik genre (of which I'm also mostly unaware)?

 

[Richard Stanley]

This is an excellent question. Loren (who has now been officially named) has long made the allegation that we are shills here. This allegation has now been seconded by Giles Gaffney. According to Jan Irvin, Joe Atwill is the head of our "cell" and is also a shill, and we are his minions.

Now, the fact is that we have clearly stated and diagnosed here that part of the elite agenda seems to be population reduction. We have furthermore acknowledged that there is a risk of nuclear annihilation and incineration of the entire planet should the elite agenda go awry.

So this does indeed raise questions of what our motivation could possibly be, if we have gone over to the dark side and are on their payroll. What could the elite possibly offer us, that would persuade us to help them in their evil schemes? Thirty pieces of silver hardly seems adequate compensation, but I can't think of anything that would be.

Well, my Flash Conquest, a fait accompli, has resolved this matter Jerry, Flat Earth, or Round. All local, regional, and global inquiries and disputes must now be put before either the Effete Septivium and Octivium Grandee Councils, depending upon their respective jurisdictional relevance. One can, and preferably should, wear their (best) clothes while doing so.

The Earth today, the (Almond) Milky Way tomorrow!!!! I don't do dairy, except for cheese and kefir.

Excellent point. Nobody wants to own the whole world if it's nothing but a fried oyster. No sane world leader today wants a nuclear world war.

But there are legitimate questions about whether Trump might be insane and/or stupid enough not to understand likely consequences of his actions.

I think that my other threads, and my Apocalypse How? article make clear that Trump is indeed a controlled opposition agent of the Globalist enterprise, merely sowing confusion, ala Samson, such that the new paradigm can be installed. But, the process might indeed, or likely involve massive apocalyptic conflagration, as the apocalyptic Book of Revelation script [sic] directs [sic]. An aspect of this I have not mentioned before, I believe.

Using such a 'prophecy' as a script, enables the psychological entrainment of a significant, and highly motivated, proportion of a populace, especially it being within the norms of the dominant culture. This entrainment, in seeing their holy book unfold right in front of them, is a major determinant of the success of the 'expected' new order, sardonically with a likely outcome that is inverted for such as take the Zealot bait.

For merely reporting our interpretation of the underlying and more than uncomfortable, bloody dynamic, we, the messengers, get rhetorically killed, at least. All the while, the assassin snowflakes scream to beware the Zionists. They give acid parties and don't imbibe. By their actions shall ye gnow them.

Aside from Fomenko, several other authors are suspicious about the chronology of the 8th thru 10th centuries. If indeed there is a "phantom dark age" extending across 300 years, as these authors boldly proclaim, then there is universal agreement that there must have been a gigantic conspiracy involved at some point. (It's possible that various calendar confusions might have set the stage for the caper.)

Indeed, it is alleged that the emperor Otto III wanted to portray himself as the ruler over great millennial pageantries. Alas, the calendar said it was 300 years too early, so he needed to take charge of the situation and change it to fit his propaganda needs.

Islamic rulers allegedly cooperated because it helped them cover up their invention of Muhammed.

Even acknowledging that mass media, of any kind, was rather limited and that the feudal caste system kept most ignorant altogether, such a vast conspiracy seems even too much for me. Besides, one still has to acknowledge that, chron compression or not, the later West significantly regressed from a technological aspect with respect to the incredible engineering aspects of the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians, at least. If there was no Dark age, then why these regressions evident in numerous artifacts for each period?

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

RS- I'm still here. I've been holding forth at a blog called Piece of Mindful for a year or so. Lately I've been working on a conceptual art piece, a personal library. I'll leave it at that for now. Jerry Lewis croaked recently so here's a sample from POM. If you like outside the box conspiracy, POM has it in spades. For example, Dr. Phil was once known as Freddie Mercury. No lie. https://pieceofmindful.com/2017/01/22/old-show-biz/

 

[Richard Stanley]

Thx for the link Tyrone. Very interesting story about Lewis, but it seems that you are saying that much of that was made up "whole cloth". So I don't get it what your trying to accomplish, or am I completely confused?

In any case, I saw the following excepted article by your associate, Mark Tokarsky, and his quoting from Mathis. My take is almost exactly the same, it's all distractionary psy-op, and fear porn. Further, I believe the PTB wanted Trump, to fulfill the typological chaos roles of Samson and the apocalyptic Beast of the Sea. And that agent Hillary went along and sandbagged her own campaign.

...
I have read things about Pizzagate. I have decided not to waste time on it. Gnostic Media wants to believe it is real. That surprises me, as I like those guys and think they are really smart. I know there are pedophiles – I imagine they are isolated and do most of their business via the Internet and in their basements, alone. After all, how would pedophiles hook up with other pedophiles? Why would they want to? Are there trafficking rings out there that supply children to wealthy men? I doubt it. Most of that stuff, when it happens, is going to be in family settings, where adults have power over children, and children do not know they are in danger. And I would guess there are amazingly few people who actually commit such crimes, so few as to be negligible.

The reason I sat down to write this is because I just got done with a paper by Miles Mathis, and I thought since only a select few of us traffic in his direction, I would offer up his words on the matter of Pizzagate to our audience here. He does a lot more traffic than us, and this will augment it a bit more. This link will take you to the paper, which is about the mating ritual as it stands today, most people damaged by media perceptions, women having illusory power and men feeling like shit about themselves. At the end, he tosses this in:

As a tack-on, I will quickly address the Pizzagate scandal. I am getting a lot of emails on it, but I have no wish to write a long paper on it. Why? Because it is faked. It is like the Flat Earth project: it was created to divert attention away from the real problems, and also to blackwash real researchers. First of all, it came out of the Wikileaks papers, which are controlled leaks. Assange and Snowden and all the rest are agents, and they are running controlled opposition. They leak small stuff to keep you off the big stuff. More specifically, the Pizzagate scandal is the attempt to keep your eyes on Congressmen and other politicians, and off the trillionaires. That’s why they still have a Congress and a President and political candidates: as puppets to draw your attention. It is a constant “look over here!” But all those politicians, including Trump, the Clintons, Biden, Podesta, and the rest are just actors, paid to keep your eyes off the prize. You should know that by now, but if you didn’t the form of the Pizzagate scandal should have clued you in. It is ridiculous, and has signs of being manufactured all over it. It shouldn’t fool anyone. Plus, please notice that it is being pushed in the mainstream, by places like the New York Times and the Washington Post. You will say the mainstream is trying to debunk it, but ask yourself why they would give it legs at all? The media covers up all real news, so why would these places be publicizing Pizzagate at all? Because they want you wasting your time studying it. ...​

https://pieceofmindful.com/2016/12/01/pizzagate-nothing-there-move-along-folks/​

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

RS- It was whole cloth. Yet another tragic attempt at humor. POM took off when Miles reworked Mark's Paul McCartney is twins post and provided a link. Josh, a writer for Miles from time to time, was at POM but now has his own blog. https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/ Seeding the blogsphere with acolytes of Miles Mathis is probably a good thing though it reduces the audience at each blog when bifurcation takes place, I think. Maybe not. I bookmark any blog that at least kinda gets it.
I'm not surprised Jan Irvin has bailed on Postflaviana's own Joe Atwill. He bailed on the Peace Revolution crowd after bailing on Joe Rogan of all people. Some people are like that. I keep links even when I hear or read stuff I don't agree with. You can't align perfectly with everyone. I admit John Bartram is a better fit for me than Caesar's Messiah, but I don't play winner take all so I still listen to Jerry and Joe's podcasts, even if they are still scared of nuclear weapons. I do indeed like the Shakespeare theories, though. I admit, I cherry pick. It's one way to guard against limited hangouts, not that I'm implying anything here. Honest.

 

[Richard Stanley]

It's one way to guard against limited hangouts, not that I'm implying anything here. Honest.

Thx.

In any case, as I've explained to Jerry, my accidentally on purpose, preemptively pressing the Flash Global Conquest button has made all such matters moot. I am now the first Flash Emperor (with no clothes) of the Earth. Jerry will soon be informing all where to send the now rather affordable rent, albeit Jerry is yet uncertain as to whether this is a tragic attempt at humor or not. I can assure you ...

 

[Jerry Russell]

the purposeful employment of mass incoherence,

I am firmly convinced that a whole lot of mass incoherence occurs without any purposeful deployment or intention whatsoever. The PTB need only hire and/or blackmail a very small cadre of secret spooks to hasten the incoherence along.

This is a shibboleth, and the master triviator gnows it.

He may Gnow it at some Gnawing subconscious level, but I doubt that he has achieved the extreme level of Postflavian mastery necessary to truly Understand it.

I suggest a solution. I will declare a non-revocable Flash Conquest of the Entire Earth. As a consequence, I am due a humble 1% rent from all Eaters, on all Earthly assets. Who agrees with this?

I most certainly do not. This is a Gjoking manifestation of a Gnowing ironic awareness of powerlessness. Or worse, perhaps something Gnawing at the base of the brain of our poor Richard.

Giles Gaffney (clearly a suspicious name, starting with G-G) must have had a premonition of Richard's act. He predicted that we shall soon show our true colors at Postflaviana, as a cult with a donation button. Unable to collect enough money as shills direct from our paymasters, he predicts we will need to turn for support to our vast throng of followers.

Well, we already had a donation button. If anybody wanted to send us 1%, they could have already done so. But dividing the spoils amongst Postflavians proved problematic. So when software problems caused the demise of our donate button, I did not attempt its resurrection.

And besides, sending money to me is like sending coals to Newcastle. One percent of world GDP would not add an iota to my happiness, and only serve to paint a target on my back.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I most certainly do not. This is a Gjoking manifestation of a Gnowing ironic awareness of powerlessness. Or worse, perhaps something Gnawing at the base of the brain of our poor Richard.

You mean you want more than 1% for me? This is generous of you Jerry, but the others have wanted 10% and up. Given the clear relative benefits, most all, rational or not, will happily choose this happy course for humanity. Clearly, you have not thought through all the implications.

Once everyone starts stopping [sic] their existing high rents to those the Flash Conquest has so bigly (so to speak) and Providentially dispossessed, the PTB structure will collapse almost as quickly.

And besides, sending money to me is like sending coals to Newcastle.

You always have the authority to delegate Jerry, and donate your compensation). The Effete Septivium and Octivium Grandee Councils have unanimously and jointly decided in my favor, naturally. Let it be so Dogod.

 

[Jerry Russell]

All local, regional, and global inquiries and disputes must now be put before either the Effete Septivium and Octivium Grandee Councils, depending upon their respective jurisdictional relevance.

I hereby put the case of Richard Stanley before the court. I've seen his Imperial residence. It is already far more opulent than my own, and I have already admitted to being among the Undeserving. Unless he has acquired some strange Trumpian fetish for golden toilets and bathtubs, I don't know what he's going to do with all this proposed revenue.

I was going to suggest that we should take this case to the Infogalactic.com Star Chamber, but they seem to be suffering a denial-of-service attack at the moment. Or maybe they forgot to pay their web registration fee.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Jerry, obviously I should have spent some time splaining all this to you before pressing the button, but It's All Settled. I control these councils, or 'courts' as you so put them. The New Order trumps all other methods and constructions ... for the good of all humanity. Don't you think that this is worth a measly 1%? Why do you care what I do with what is rightfully mine, and as Dogod has so ordained (because I told him to).

 

[Jerry Russell]

I consider the case closed, then.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Excellent, now it is globally unanimous. Ironic that you, among all others, were the last human on Earth to agree.

 

[Jerry Russell]

I didn't say I agreed. I'm only recognizing that there is no point in arguing with Dodog.

 

[Richard Stanley]

A distinction without a difference. Dodog?

OMD(ogod), I made a mispelling and you emulated it, just like a good subject. I'm so impressed.

But I'm going to correct my spelling of Dogod, so as to make sure we (Dogod and I) remain in Pythagorean harmony.

 

[Jerry Russell]

I thought maybe you had gone polytheistic, or that Dogod was perhaps Janus spelled.

 

[Mike Dexter]

Too bad about Yawn Irvin finally going off the deep end. His work, especially on the Trivium and exposing MKULTRA, was very interesting and useful for several years. I have always wondered if all the drugs he admitted to ingesting would have a deleterious effect on his cognitive abilities.

The mental gymnastics required to become a Fomenkian (believing that the New Testament was written before the OT, etc.) remind me of similar magical (non)thinking performed by Creationists, who believe that fossilized dinosaur bones were put there by Gawd to test our faith.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Too bad about Yawn Irvin finally going off the deep end. His work, especially on the Trivium and exposing MKULTRA, was very interesting and useful for several years. I have always wondered if all the drugs he admitted to ingesting would have a deleterious effect on his cognitive abilities.

I suppose its possible that the drug usage is catching up to him, but in my experience of others, most such damage is more immediately noticeable. If nothing else, then if all his drug argumentation is true, then maybe he is/was an uberman, the exception to the rule? I know several people who have used hallucinogens and other drugs who still seem to have all their faculties long after. From what I can see on the internetz, many of his critics on the hallucinogen issue seem to be quite articulate. Is this evidence that they are merely agents, or ...?

The mental gymnastics required to become a Fomenkian (believing that the New Testament was written before the OT, etc.) remind me of similar magical (non)thinking performed by Creationists, who believe that fossilized dinosaur bones were put there by Gawd to test our faith.

This whole alt-reality field is littered with rabbit holes, and it naturally lends itself to various frustrations that might lead one to lash out at others, especially if one is unwilling to turn over some rocks or go clean out your own rabbit hole.

Upon waking I was thinking how ironic that Odening's "uncivilized" men are more manly than civilized "men", who have been denatured and wussified, well at least the beta males and/or non-psychopaths (the psychopaths another 1% and likely much of the economic 1%) among us.

The other day I also recalled something someone said from my (strict) libertarian days about the US (and other most nation's) military ironically being an actual communist organization. This, from the way it is structured and operates. Yet it is the most respected institution in American society, especially amongst the most rabid collectivist haters. It even parallels political communism in that its leaders get to profiteer from their elite, revolving door, corporate positions (e.g. General Michael Flynn). Well, at least when Trump's wimpy troop expansion in Afghanistan fails on purpose and the new, godly Capitalist approach of Erik Prince takes over, we can finally civilize those Afghans properly.

BTW, Further ironic how the Communist Chinese military is a capitalist - profit making institution. Hmmm, the Septivium and Octivium may not be sufficient here, and we may have to resort to the Infinivium for help.