(New!) Podcast at this link: Craig Rice; Anatoly Fomenko; Flat Earth. Sophistry! Fri. Sept. 8 Most of our long-term podcast listeners (and I know there are at least two or three of you out there) know that Joe has also been doing a series of podcasts with Jan Irvin. Those podcasts came to an end at Unspun #65. After simmering for awhile, the disagreement between Jan vs. Joe came to a head this weekend, in a thread at Jan's Facebook page. Jan makes the following accusations against Joe, and also against us here at Postflaviana: (1) Jan believes that Anatoly Fomenko's chronology is correct, and that this disproves the thesis of Caesar's Messiah. (The headline of the Facebook thread is "What if... Judaism came from Christianity, rather than the other way around?") (2) Joe's grandmother was the well-known novelist Craig Rice. One of Rice's three husbands was Lawrence Lipton, a Jewish beat poet. Jan believes that Joe should have revealed this while they were discussing beat poets. (3) Renate Hecht joined the thread with her testimony to the effect that Joe was not a founder of Ferguson Tool / ASNA, that he can't play chess, and furthermore that he broke down her door, stole her furniture, and terrorized her 11-year-old child. (4) Giles Gaffney is affiliated with Joe, which makes him also a shill in Jan's opinion. Giles advocates for Flat Earth, which Jan takes as further evidence that Giles is a spook. Giles Gaffney writes about Flat Earth here at Postflaviana, which has led Jan to believe that we here also endorse Flat Earth. (5) For some reason, Jan thinks we're Zionists. Our answers: (1) Fomenko has been discussed in this thread, http://postflaviana.org/community/i...it-hole-anyone-else-wanna-take-the-trip.1542/ (2) Re Joe's grandmother, Craig Rice: Joe has often made arguments that so-and-so is a Crypto-Jew and/or a lifetime actor, based on similar evidence. But just as often, I've tried to point out that such genetic relationships are circumstantial evidence at best. (3) Joe has provided me with the following statement about Renate Hecht, and given me permission to post here. Quote: I have a vivid memory of my lawsuit with Ms. Hecht, though it was resolved over thirty years ago. My memory of the events at issue is somewhat different than Ms. Hecht’s however. In fact, Ms. Hecht's recent public statement concerning me is essentially the same pack of lies she presented during the lawsuit. In the trial, the judge ruled that she was a complete liar and awarded her nothing. A sore loser, she is now presenting her lies again simply to slander my reputation. Renate Hecht was judged by a court of law to be neither a starter, an owner, a founder nor a financier of either of Ferguson Tool or ASNA. Thus, this is not a case of ‘he said, she said’. This is a seven-year legal case in which ‘she said’ and then judge decreed her a liar based upon the evidence. I was a co-founder of Ferguson Tool Company and ASNA. No one who understands this term would contest this claim because when I took over as President I faced the following conditions; on the Ferguson Tool side there was a product but no revenue because our tiny start up list of customers had all been maliciously named by Ms. Hecht as co-defendants in her frivolous lawsuit and this, of course, shut down their rent of our product. On the ASNA front, the product was not even in development. Not one single line of the code that would become the product had been written. Renate’s claim that David left her “just before” the System 34 product was saleable is a lie. The product was not commercially viable for nearly two years. There were no employees, cash in the bank or place of business and all that we ‘owned’ when I became part of the founding group was Ms. Hecht’s lawsuit. Thus, neither company had been in any way “founded” before I became part of the group that worked without salaries for nearly two years to bring a business into existence. There are only three people who can claim to have been the founders of what became an internationally successful software company – Anne Ferguson (perhaps the most tireless, competent person it has ever been my privilege to work with) David and myself. As co-founders we absorbed all of the ‘business risk’. If our products failed, or Ms. Hecht’s lawsuit succeeded, we would have received nothing for our efforts and I would have lost the money I had loaned to the business to keep it afloat during the foundation era. Neither of the products sold by Ferguson Tool or ASNA was an operating system as claimed by Ms. Hecht; one was a data management system the other was an emulator. With her attempt at ‘computer speak’ Renate is trying to show she had some understanding of the businesses, but instead only reveals what an obvious liar and fraud she is. Renate’s claim to have “not known” about my role at ASNA during the lawsuit is also a lie as her attorneys deposed me in her presence during the suit. In the deposition I, of course, stated what my role was in the Company being sued. During discovery it was shown that Renate’s claim to have “financed” both companies was another lie. She could not produce a single piece of evidence showing she had invested a penny into either company. Bear in mind that she was represented by some of the most powerful attorneys in Los Angeles and the suit went on for seven years, so if there were one iota of evidence she had even partially financed either company it would have been brought to light and the judge would have awarded her something. The fact that she received neither a single share of stock nor single dollar of compensation shows that the judge recognized she was a complete liar and had not contributed anything – money or labor - to either company. Neither of the incorporation documents of Ferguson Tool and ASNA listed her an owner. Therefore, Renate lied and claimed that she had a “secret document” which, she kept under the bed that we took from her house. She claimed that the “secret document” was an agreement with David, which gave her ownership in the companies and then claimed that we stole it when we took the bed. Like the nonexistent records showing her financial investment into the company there were, amazingly, no other copies of the “secret document” in existence. The judge didn’t buy this lie either because you can only claim the dog ate the homework once. Her claim that we ‘broke into’ her house is another lie. David had a key as he had been living there until a few weeks before we removed his furniture. Renate had said nothing to David about not being allowed to enter the residence. As Renate and David had broken up, he simply wanted his furniture. We entered using the key and took nothing but the furniture that David owned long before he met Renate. The child was not even in the house. Nothing was damaged. Renate tried to get the police involved but they reviewed the matter and would not even file it as a case since the house had not been broken into and David was able to prove he had prior ownership of all the furniture. We were not “severely sanctioned” by anyone. This is a lie. Because a lawsuit had been filed, the judge ruled that everything needed to stay where it was the day the suit began and await legal resolution. We complied and returned the furniture. I was able to code in Assembler – trained mainly by David though I did not write either product. One product, Elimin8, was written before David met Renate, the other Acceler8 was written entirely after he left her. I have achieved in sanctioned chess tournaments and documented games the title of Expert from the USCF and Master from ICC. I have over 100 victories in blitz chess with internationally titled masters. David and I often played and studied chess together, though never with Renate as she did not have the skill to play with rank beginners let alone masters. Claiming that she played with David and me is a lie. After what I recall was his third stroke David was basically brain dead. After the stroke his mind was so vacant that we had to take away his cigarettes because he couldn’t feel them burning into his flesh. Thus, Renate’s claim that he ‘died lonely’ is a lie. Before the stroke he lived in a retirement home five houses down from mine. I saw him almost every day. He was the closest friend I ever had in my life. After his mind left him we sent him to spend the final days with his daughter in Oregon as – if memory serves - we thought she would welcome some financial compensation for doing so. I doubt Renate saw him once in his final fifteen years. This is not hard to understand, as David hated her. He constantly told me that he saw Renate as the most pathological liar he ever met in his life. I am certain if he was alive he would say the same thing today. (4) Giles Gaffney is, I believe, a good-hearted individual who is seriously mistaken about the shape of the earth. Apparently he doesn't hold me in the same esteem. Bygones. (5) We (Rick, Joe and I) all agree that the project of establishing a Jewish religious state in Palestine is a sadly misguided, racist effort. It's an attempt to right past wrongs on the back of the Palestinians, and it's resulted in the creation of an apartheid situation. The Zionist project is one of the main factors that's driving our planet to nuclear destruction. I feel we've made this abundantly clear. On the other hand, I also don't believe that rank-and-file Jews are primarily responsible for Zionism. It's basically an elite secret society project, and Christian Zionists are also implicated. Jan thinks that quantum physics is a Zionist plot. Postflavians endorse certain aspects of quantum mechanics. I also think honey is sweet, but that doesn't make me King Samson.