Saturn Theory

There is an aspect in the world that very few people are covering that being Saturn Theory. Books like Saturn Death Cult go into this a bit and also it seems that Stanly Kubrick was trying to tell people about these folks who have this sort of Saturn cult in movies like Eyes Wide Shut which is from a novel Dream Story by Arthur Schnitzle. Saturn cult legends always are associated with child sacrifice and such. This sacrifice may be considered as actual ritual murder or some sort of sexual rites involving children as in Magickal rituals often the sacrifice is not ritual murder but ritual sex. Saturn Theory although not well known is a rather complex issue and from what I have read on the subject it seems like it would explain a lot of the actions of the elites and their motives for those actions.

Basically a sort of longing for a Golden Age when life was easy for everyone and then now it is not and these elite families going back years and years wish to get back to that Golden Age on the backs of everyone else. It is worth a look into it. Takes about two weeks of study to really get it all. Not saying that it is what really happened but that if there is a group that bases their spiritual and ritual beliefs on this model then we got problems.
 

Jerry Russell

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Hi MGB,

I just took a look at Troy McLachlan's "Saturn Death Cult" website. He says his approach is an "intuitive rather than intellectual investigation of the evidence". And that's what it looks like to me: a personal, intuitive approach to the same data that we're working with here, with respect to secret societies ranging from the CIA and corporate boardrooms, to the Freemasons and many para-masonic groups, to the Catholic Church and other organized religions. Does this seem like a fair assessment of Saturn Theory, or do you think they have some special insights we're missing? Are there any other "Saturn Theory" authors that you'd like to recommend aside from McLachlan?
 
Hi Jerry,
The only thing that might be missing is this element that maybe all of this stuff stems from this longing to get back to this golden age before Earth became disconnected from Saturn. My personal opinion is that a Saturn Cult is at the core of what these groups believe and thus spawns a lot of the messed up sexuality that these groups seem to be into. I think that this Saturn aspect has been kept as a tight secret at the top of these groups going back to Mahabharata times and perhaps before. Other than that I believe that you an Joe are really getting to the core of the way things work and have worked over time.

As for other authors dealing with this Saturn thing I am only finding sparse tidbits here and there. Most of the Electric Universe Theory Crowd Wallace Thornhill, David Talbott etc hint at Saturn Theory and folks like Jay Weidner, Laird Scranton, Veilokovsky touch on this subject. Weidner goes so far as to suggest a Brotherhood of Saturn. Each bring up some interesting aspects that point to this Saturn thing in varying degrees.

This may be a piece of the puzzle and it may not be, but it is one I think it worth exploring as information comes up. The Kubrick connection especially and that weird film Eyes Wide Shut I insist that stuff like that happens but that it happens involving Children as well. Also Kubrick died mysteriously (an official story of a heart attack but this is contested by people close to him) after filming it and the editing of the film was completely messed up. Weidner claims Eyes Wide Shut was about The Brotherhood of Saturn. Saturn in mythology ate children. BTW the ritual scenes in Eyes Wide Shut were said to have been filmed at a Rothschild Castle.

I hope I am being somewhat coherent in all of this because at this point what I have gleaned from my personal research into this subject is still in a nascent stage.
 

Richard Stanley

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It is interesting to note that one of the initial and key Abrahamic social precepts was the termination of the sacrifice of the first born male to Ba'al Hadad, where this was curiously done by having Abraham appear willing to go through with the ceremony before being informed that he could substitute a ram in Isaac's place. Thus his subsequent progeny and converts would no longer be following this particular human form of sacrifice. And maybe a coincidence, but the 7th day sabbath was Saturn Day and still is for such as the Jews and others.

Ironically, this sacrifice of the first born male is then revisited upon Egypt as a divine show of power against pharaoh by this very same 'moral' god in the Exodus narrative. Why inflict such punishment upon innocents, especially done by one whom the Pro-Life people today adore so much, and is credited for having Abraham stop such practice? To me it hints at the understanding of ancient realpolitik in such things as why such verses as Isaiah 45:7 have to be watered down for the masses, and similarly with Plato's Noble Lie.

The Titan chief god, Chronos (Father Time) ate his children and thus was usurped by his son Zeus. That this eating of the children was originally meant to be a metaphor for the passing of the ages might have been taken too literally by some of the masses (who like to imitate their gods' practices), and thus such practices, including from the Semitic (writ large) side may likely have survived in certain pockets, maybe even what Collectivist inartfully tried to introduce here.

I think that this Saturn aspect has been kept as a tight secret at the top of these groups going back to Mahabharata times and perhaps before.
Jerry and I are currently dissecting the Old Testament and its starting to appear that such as the Mahabharata Wars and the catastrophic collapse of the Indus Valley Culture may have been a prequel to the formation of Western society's development, cleverly encrypted in such as the Bible. Even Josephus (and other contemporaries) makes comments that support this.

As such, do your sources indicate any connection between the Saturn cults and such as the Roman Saturnalia?
 
I believe the Christmas/Yule to the Saturnalia festival can be traced back through time to Saturn cults. I believe it was Jay Weidner who brought up Father Christmas/Santa Claus/Father Time as being a type for Saturn/Chronos. (he did not use the phrase type but used other phrasing that would imply a type)

Additionally I personally believe that understanding early Judaism, Mystical Judaism (The Zohar) and The Mahabharata is paramount to our mutual quest to find the root source of this group that controls and manipulates the world. However, I will say that I believe that Europe has a great tradition that has been obscured by these other things and that if you can piece together what was going on in Europe and in The Americas in Mahabharata times we can get an even clearer picture. One key to this might be the Armenian Language, Its script looks an awful lot like Tamil and also like Easter Island Script. But beyond this it seems that the Armenian Language spawned the Indo European Languages. There is an author suggesting this, except for the Tamil and Easter Island script part that is my own theory. Getting back to The Mahabharata since most has not been translated into English the best way for none Sanskrit or non Hindi readers it to get the Indian television series based on The Mahabharata which is very long but not too costly. Not the Western version that is artful but cut all the hell in content. I believe that Judaism especially The Zohar and the Hindu Mahabharata point to this myth or reality of this ancient war and this Saturn Cult looking to create a new golden age.

Here is a link to Vahan Setyan's book on the Armenian Alphabet and Language he might be a great guest for the show. http://vahansetyan.com/shop/uncategorized/enigma-of-the-armenian-alphabet-letters-protons-and-paradoxes/

I do realize I am jumping all over the place but it is all like a puzzle and just pointing to pieces as I see them or have seen them.
 
I am hoping Jerry can make more sense out the physics references with Armenian than I can. My strength is a good memory and putting obscure references from various sources together quickly for examination for correlations, and a couple of other things. I do feel this is all related. Look at for instance the bird figures at Göbekli Tepe then look at similar artwork on Easter Island. Göbekli Tepe is in what was considered The Armenian Highlands. As I stated in previous posts Armenian, Tamil, and Easter Island script look very similar. Thus an understanding of The Armenian Language might just be a way of dissecting other parts of Language to understand where words are coming from and their meaning as related to some of these secret societies and such. Sorry for being vague or disjointed but I am trying to put these thoughts together in my mind and share in the event that others will be able to fill in pieces I can not.

I a pretty convinced that this site and Gnostic Media and Red Ice have a grasp or are getting a grasp on what has happened since Roman times, but I am thinking there is a constant line back to pre-Mahabharata times that is known by a few and if we can find out who that few is then we can do something about it. That line just might be Weidner's Brotherhood of Saturn.

Again sorry for being disjointed.
 

Richard Stanley

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Göbekli Tepe is only a few kilometers from Urfa/Edessa (and Haran), where the Abraham narrative starts.

Andrew Collins (or Adrian Gilbert?) theorizes that some of the imagery at GT represents comets, and given the relative time frames of the first temple dating there, its not a terribly long time in terms of catastrophic memory retention from the dating of the North American impact (Clovis people and the black mat, Carolina Bays, the Younger Dryas period, etc.). As such he proposes that such as the so-called Swiderians came in and, in addition to monopolizing trade in such as flint and obsidian (for hunting and tools), that they realized that they could provide the other peoples a (faux) spiritual means to ward off subsequent too close encounters with the comets.

This all gets to the issue of the relationship of Semitic languages and such as PIE, and just who is responsible for such as the Vedic corpus. Who are the real Arya: a people or an elite caste, indigenous or invaders? Too many questions, that's why we need more like you.

And, yes, you may be onto something with this, and Urartu.
 
Thanks Richard,
That is interesting and helpful. I had just acquired a copy of Fire and Ice. The History, Structure, and Rituals of Germany's Most Influential Modern Magickal Order. The Brotherhood of Saturn. Stephen E. Flowers PHD. I finished it in a day and still trying to absorb all it was saying. I might pass it off as some sort of sensationalism accept for the fact that it talks about this group being into Electronic Magick. Which considering the other the fact that this is briefly mentioned in the book in a matter of fact manner and my personal understanding of that field radionics and psionics makes me believe this book to be legit in its claims. Makes me believe that this Saturn angle is one to further watch. Things like elites doing weird electronic and sex magick to harness energies in some alternate physics that has been kept from the general public. Keeping the reality of a plasma based universe from us by promoting a gravity based universe to put it in simple terms. I know that Jan over at gnostic media always talks about things like the secret and magick being illogical because Quantum Physics is sort of illogical however things like law of attraction, orgone energy, and magick may be possible in some ways via a Plasma based Physics of Electric Universe and Saturn Theory sort. This must be the alternate physics that Descarte, Newton, Liebniez, Tesla, Gödel, Kozyrev, and Birkeland all eluded to or insisted on. Things like Santa myth being ways to ensure certain types of knowledge were preserved.
 

Richard Stanley

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Came across the following index clipping (via Amazon) in my notes, from Frazer's Golden Bough Scapegoat Volume, sorry about the quality:

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lorenhough

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Thanks Richard,
That is interesting and helpful. I had just acquired a copy of Fire and Ice. The History, Structure, and Rituals of Germany's Most Influential Modern Magickal Order. The Brotherhood of Saturn. Stephen E. Flowers PHD. I finished it in a day and still trying to absorb all it was saying. I might pass it off as some sort of sensationalism accept for the fact that it talks about this group being into Electronic Magick. Which considering the other the fact that this is briefly mentioned in the book in a matter of fact manner and my personal understanding of that field radionics and psionics makes me believe this book to be legit in its claims. Makes me believe that this Saturn angle is one to further watch. Things like elites doing weird electronic and sex magick to harness energies in some alternate physics that has been kept from the general public. Keeping the reality of a plasma based universe from us by promoting a gravity based universe to put it in simple terms. I know that Jan over at gnostic media always talks about things like the secret and magick being illogical because Quantum Physics is sort of illogical however things like law of attraction, orgone energy, and magick may be possible in some ways via a Plasma based Physics of Electric Universe and Saturn Theory sort. This must be the alternate physics that Descarte, Newton, Liebniez, Tesla, Gödel, Kozyrev, and Birkeland all eluded to or insisted on. Things like Santa myth being ways to ensure certain types of knowledge were preserved.
Good site on electric universe; http://www.suspicious0bservers.org

And see this guys vidos the master on electric univese!


“I Would Have Written to You”
From Einstein’s letter I learned that he had read my Stargazers and Gravediggers. Actually I had not intended to show it to him: as already said, on one of those two evenings in March when we read line by line my “"On the Four Systems of the World,” and Miss Dukas was present, I gave her the first file of those memoirs to read in order to keep her awake. But Einstein read it as well; in the first file the story is brought up to the time just before my parting with Macmillan.

A year earlier, upon reading the exchange of letters between Shapley and the Macmillan Company, Einstein said that the material must be made public but that somebody with dramatic talent should be entrusted with the presentation of the story; now, upon reading the manuscript, he obviously found that I had succeeded in the task.

The first folder of the “Memoirs” was returned to me—several of its sections were supplied with marginal notes by a pencil, not a sharp pencil to boot. On the back of one of the pages with the story of Larrabee’s article in Harper’s, Einstein wrote:



Ich hätte Ihnen geschrieben: Die historische Argumente für gewaltsame Vorgänge an der Erdkruste sind recht überzeugend. Der Erklärungsversuch aber is abenteuerlich und sollte nur als tentativ behandelt werden. Sonst verliert der wohlorientierte Leser auch das Vertrauen in das solid Begrundete.

Translation:



I would have written to you: The historical arguments for violent events in the crust of the earth are quite convincing. The attempt to explain them is, however, adventurous and should have been offered only as tentative. Otherwise the well-oriented reader loses confidence also in what is solidly established by you.

If one should compare this evaluation with his own of 1946 ("Blamage” )or of 1950 or of 1952 or even of 1954, one must recognize how much Einstein’s attitude had changed. He did not protest any more or argue against the events described, neither against the earth being disturbed in its rotation, nor against the role ascribed to Venus; even more remarkable was the fact that he no longer rejected outright the role of electromagnetism in the events and thus, in the celestial sphere in general: he would only have wished that I should not express myself with such finality. By this he made it clear that the explanation which I gave to the events was not undiscussable—but only that I should have offered it merely as a hypothesis.

Strangely, one of Einstein’s marginal notes to my chapter on Lafleur agreed with the latter’s argument that the Earth is neutral because of the behavior of the leaves of an electroscope touching the ground—they do not diverge. To me it was clear that the behavior of the leaves does not give an answer to the question whether or not the Earth is charged. The Earth being charged in relation to the upper atmosphere, the lines of force would pass in near-parallels vertically and, consequently, there would be no divergence of the leaves of the electroscope. Nikola Tesla was a great inventor, perhaps the greatest electrical engineer who ever lived; he would not have asserted that the Earth is a highly charged body if such a simple test with an electroscope could solve the problem. Actually, there is a permanent stream of electrons flowing from the ground upwards: it is calculated that between the feet and the head of a standing man of medium height there is a 150 volt potential. The source of this stream of electrons, or of the source of replenishment of the permanent discharge of the Earth, is not known.

The question of whether the bodies of the solar system are charged or not was from the beginning the question between Einstein and myself; as he acknowledged in a marginal note to my letter of June 16, 1954, this contention of mine was the main reason for the display of indignation against myself and my work. On that page of the letter, as the reader will remember, I offered a test to find whether or not the planetary bodies are neutral. At that time, in the summer of 1954, Einstein did not undertake anything in answer to my challenge and request; my offer to stake our debate on whether Jupiter is a source of radio waves, he dismissed in his marginal note, and I could not ask for the test again—it was the time when Einstein became sick, the sickness having kept him weak through the entire fall. But when we parted close to midnight on March 11, after having spent two long sessions at a week interval reading my essay, he said those words about the ability of a theory to predict and see its prediction fulfilled.


 
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