Regime change needed in Russia? A debate

Jerry Russell

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The wording of my question wasn't meant to imply that all pro-EU Ukrainians are Nazis, but your reply seems to go along with this approach. Is this what you meant?
I understand that not all pro-EU Ukrainians are Nazis. But, the pro-EU Nazis have taken control of the Ukrainian government, so they're the ones that signed the agreement with the EU.

Rather than dilly-dallying around on Facebook and such, Jerry is really supposed to be helping me to verify some relatively recent scientific research
Smiting the lazy worker, eh? First Marcilla, then Suchender (the true meaning of his post now emerges, he's trying to encourage us to work harder) and now you? I will do the research and there will be more articles, I swear it... maybe the day after tomorrow...
 

Suchender

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Suchender's logo is a 1931 Soviet Union poster. The legend means "Beat fake strike workers", or maybe "we smite the lazy workers"
The translation does not reflect the real meaning > "lying workers" (lying about the amount of production = faking production, fake producers).
The artist produces a great graphic.
Too bad i'm not good at Photoshoping. If I were, I would change it to mean just Liars.
 

Suchender

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"..... the real agenda of ....the Nazis...."

I guess you mean Hitler only ?
But if you mean the top brass, then look into Otto Strasser. He lost his position to Hitler....

As for the ordinary National Socialists, they wanted the same thing everyone would like to have : be in a position to determine their own future and not to be "exploited" (robbed by the Money Powers of which existence the masses don't know).
Too bad the people are statists and don't realise that they will never arrive at the desired state in this statist "game".
 

Jerry Russell

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"..... the real agenda of ....the Nazis...." I guess you mean Hitler only ?
Richard is working on a theory that the Nazis as well as the entire Zionist elite, are all convinced that the apocalypse is coming soon. Thus, their real agenda is to dig as many deep tunnels as possible, to survive the upcoming apocalypse.

All that Nazi stuff about hating and killing Jews, as horrible (or as real, or as fake) as it may have been, was just a smokescreen. When the time comes, the Hofjuden will take their places alongside the nobility and business elites, in their underground tunnels.

Digression continued at:

https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/eschatology-of-the-third-and-fourth-reichs.2422/
 
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Richard Stanley

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Former French President, Francois Hollande, claims in a new book that Vladimir Putin made a verbal blunder, while in a fit of anger, in effect admitting that Russian troops were fighting in the Ukrainian Donbass, posing as Ukrainian separatists. Not stated in the article or the UAWire piece, at least, is any mention of such as a corraborating recording or transcript, the latter being a common diplomatic norm (except for Donald Trumputin that is).

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But in a heated argument with Poroshenko at the 2015 talks to form the Minsk Agreement, a document that sought to end the conflict but that Russia has yet to implement, Putin apparently became so angry he tripped up.

"Poroshenko and Putin constantly raised their voices with each other. The Russian president was so worked up, that he started threatening to decisively crush his counterpart's forces," an excerpt from Hollande's 2018 book, "The Lessons of Power," says, according to a translation by UAWire.org, which writes about Russia and Ukraine.

"This showed that there are Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. Putin suddenly realized, and got a grip on himself," Hollande wrote, according to UAWire.org. ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-blundered-shoutingat-ukraines-poroshenko-france-hollande-book-2018-9

And here is a denial by Kremlin spox, Dmitry Peskov: http://uawire.org/peskov-calls-hollande-s-memoirs-on-putin-threatening-poroshenko-incorrect-information-disclosure
 
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Richard Stanley

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Just like President Trump is a 'real' Reality TV star, so is President Putin now. Only difference is -- Putin can even make otherwise naughty Russian bears behave.

Russian state TV has dedicated an entire show to documenting Vladimir Putin's activities and praising him.

In the first episode of Rossiya-1's new show, which aired on Monday, the Russian president can be seen hiking around the Russian countryside, while his employees compliment almost everything about him, from his physical fitness to his "very empathetic" personality.

The show — named "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin." — aired during prime time on Sunday evening, with the first episode lasting an hour long, The Guardian reported.

Clips from the episode showed wholesome activities such as Putin hiking with his ministers and picking berries in the Russian hills. Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu can be seen complaining about his legs hurting several days after his hike, in what is most likely praise for Putin's fitness levels.



Putin on holiday in Siberia in August. Alexei Nikolsky/AP

The episode also showed footage of Putin's recent hiking holiday in Siberia. Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin's spokesman and a guest on the show, said jokingly according to The Guardian: "This is wild nature, there are bears there. Bodyguards are armed in an appropriate manner, just in case. Although if a bear sees Putin - they aren't idiots - they will behave themselves properly."

Rossiya-1 also showed Putin meeting with schoolchildren and musicians. Peskov said: "Putin doesn't only love children, he loves people in general." ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tv-launches-new-show-dedicated-to-praising-putin-2018-9
 

Richard Stanley

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Putin's Rovian Brain? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladislav_Surkov

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One of Surkov’s many nicknames is the “political technologist of all of Rus.” Political technologists are the new Russian name for a very old profession: viziers, gray cardinals, wizards of Oz. They first emerged in the mid-1990s, knocking on the gates of power like pied pipers, bowing low and offering their services to explain the world and whispering that they could reinvent it. They inherited a very Soviet tradition of top-down governance and tsarist practices of co-opting anti-state actors (anarchists in the 19th century, neo-Nazis and religious fanatics now), all fused with the latest thinking in television, advertising, and black PR. Their first clients were actually Russian modernizers: In 1996 the political technologists, coordinated by Boris Berezovsky, the oligarch nicknamed the “Godfather of the Kremlin” and the man who first understood the power of television in Russia, managed to win then-President Boris Yeltsin a seemingly lost election by persuading the nation that he was the only man who could save it from a return to revanchist Communism and new fascism. They produced TV scare-stories of looming pogroms and conjured fake Far Right parties, insinuating that the other candidate was a Stalinist (he was actually more a socialist democrat), to help create the mirage of a looming “red-brown” menace.

In the 21st century, the techniques of the political technologists have become centralized and systematized, coordinated out of the office of the presidential administration, where Surkov would sit behind a desk with phones bearing the names of all the “independent” party leaders, calling and directing them at any moment, day or night. The brilliance of this new type of authoritarianism is that instead of simply oppressing opposition, as had been the case with 20th-century strains, it climbs inside all ideologies and movements, exploiting and rendering them absurd. One moment Surkov would fund civic forums and human-rights NGOs, the next he would quietly support nationalist movements that accuse the NGOs of being tools of the West. With a flourish he sponsored lavish arts festivals for the most provocative modern artists in Moscow, then supported Orthodox fundamentalists, dressed all in black and carrying crosses, who in turn attacked the modern-art exhibitions. The Kremlin’s idea is to own all forms of political discourse, to not let any independent movements develop outside of its walls. Its Moscow can feel like an oligarchy in the morning and a democracy in the afternoon, a monarchy for dinner and a totalitarian state by bedtime. ...

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/hidden-author-putinism-russia-vladislav-surkov/382489/
 

Richard Stanley

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The following video is Vladimir Pozner's talk at Yale University on 9/27/18 regarding his belief that the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine is responsible for making Putin what he is today in regards to his stance against the USA and the West. This seems very plausible, but it could also be a convenient cover as well.

 

Richard Stanley

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The following video is Vladimir Pozner's talk at Yale University on 9/27/18 regarding his belief that the so-called Wolfowitz Doctrine is responsible for making Putin what he is today in regards to his stance against the USA and the West. This seems very plausible, but it could also be a convenient cover as well.
Somewhat similar to Pozner's argument that the Wolfowitz Doctrine is responsible for making Putin, Princeton professor, Stephen Kotner, discusses in the lecture video below that the USA created the environment for what we see today. Kotner discusses an interesting parallel to the Versailles Treaty, which becomes a propaganda foil as the Nazis had used. But Kotner is more focused on that such as the banking arrangements for taking Russian dark money and such as the American technology situation with companies like Facebook have created th current Russian environment.

As such, Kotner posits that we should be using our leverage over the Russian dark money, because its mostly stashed in the USA (because of political stability) as the cudgel to influence Russia. This makes good sense to me, with the exception that I don't think we'll ever see such change. It was one thing to modify banking laws that allowed Russians and others to directly dump massive amounts of looted funds into Western banks, but it is another thing to stop the use of shell corporations to launder these funds. The problem with doing so is not that it could be accomplished, but that there is simply too much Western dark money squirreled away in the same fashion.

It is a little funny to watch Kotner make comments about placing more controls on money flows to an audience at the libertarian Cato Institute. The Cato Institute intro by Boaz was the typical binary approach in contrasting such as Von Mises against Communists. There is no grey in between with such.

 
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