Racism, Cultural Degradation, and Misplaced Paranoia Article Thread

Richard Stanley

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And if you'll excuse me for splitting hairs, I would think less like circumcision than orchidectomy/oopherectomy
Show off. I will have to retaliate by stating: think less like splitting hairs than short hairs.

That certainly sounds very "liberal" and just New Age enough to be reasonable. However, I would submit that the flesh will seek its own balance, and we are better off to mortify it to the extent we can, as people of the Spirit. Or to put this in the modern language of science: sublimate the libidinal drive to focus into our creative outlets our pro-creative energies.
I would say it is Old School, and thus depending upon one's perspective then it is conservative ... and/or liberal. And enlightened.

Some might consider that not being able to experience the 'release' of sexual experience leads to psychological issues, the frustration of which would lead to the lessening of "our creative outlets".

the wbcpgs (where did you even get all those letters from?)
wbcpgs -- workerbeechimpigs

drone r&r
Which would consist of what, singing hymns and playing Battleship ....?

As to #1, how can anything be rogue within the hivemind.
There are always bad bumblebees and whatnot.

As to #2, by current standards, all chimpigbees would be trans in some sense. I can't envision how someone could be a queen without a way to carry a child, but that may be an option for anyone with sufficiently advanced medical technology.
Why not just go for the Brave New World approach to procreation?

IN ANY EVENT... with regard to how we would upgrade from our current society, I think we would first need to try to create greater systemic integrity where we currently have systemic alienation. For example, replace the various national fiat currencies that represent abstract, arbitrary, and fluctuating value with a currency that represents a literal, material, and universal commodity such as the kilowatt-hour.
Agreed, but I don't know that the Kwh is the best representative for this currency.

Also, we could replace this silly reality television series "Who Wants to be a Presidential Candidate Idol with the Stars?" with a very straightforward demand that if anyone is going to be the chimpig with the most kilowatt-hours in the Energy Bank of America, Mr. Buffett, well then you don't get to just appear before Congress to castigate them for their unwillingness to put their money where their mouth is, you actually have to be willing to run the country (since you're the one with the most power to actually do anything worthwhile to change it.
I'm not sure how to interpret this.

 

Richard Stanley

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However, I would submit that the flesh will seek its own balance, and we are better off to mortify it to the extent we can, as people of the Spirit. Or to put this in the modern language of science: sublimate the libidinal drive to focus into our creative outlets our pro-creative energies.
So now you will have to teach them to hate Jazz, perhaps compensating by feeding them Danish empathy cake? :rolleyes:
 

Sgt Pepper

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Barbara Spectre is the founding director of Paideia (European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden). There are also Paideia schools are in the US.
In her opinion Jews are going to be at the centre of transforming Europe into a multi-cultural society, which must take place.

You can listen to her in this audio clip: http://naplay.it/844/3-02-25

Is this this misplaced paranoia, or are they supposed to play the part of escape goats?
 
Why would we have to settle on one particular commodity? I would think that consenting adults entering into a long-term contract, could choose any commodity that seems most appropriate. Labor hours, tons of steel, ounces of gold, whatever.
I'm sorry I was not more clear. I certainly would not try to impede people from using whatever units of exchange suit them. I am making a suggestion for a national currency the likes of which would replace the USD, for example. I'm disinclined to recommend metallurgic commodities. If "labor" = work, then I think that is a fantastic suggestion, considering the units in which work is measured.

Money is only one measure of power. The Pope could rightly ask, "Mr. Buffett, how many members has your congregation?"
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that Pope Francis should be President, or that Warren Buffet should be anointed as Most High Priest of the Temple of Mercury.

Some might consider that not being able to experience the 'release' of sexual experience leads to psychological issues, the frustration of which would lead to the lessening of "our creative outlets".


Why not just go for the Brave New World approach to procreation?
I'm not going to be responsible for bringing another chimpig into this world

I'm not sure how to interpret this.
I guess I'm going beyond One World Government and advocating for a strictly unitary society. IOW, the leader of the economy would set monetary policy, administer the State, chair the Party, be chief executive producer of all media, and head all market research and intelligence. One babysitter ultimately responsible for the global chimpig nursery.
 

Richard Stanley

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Barbara Spectre is the founding director of Paideia (European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden). There are also Paideia schools are in the US.
In her opinion Jews are going to be at the centre of transforming Europe into a multi-cultural society, which must take place.

You can listen to her in this audio clip: http://naplay.it/844/3-02-25

Is this this misplaced paranoia, or are they supposed to play the part of escape goats?
I played the clip where Spectre mentions they Jewish role in some multi-cultural program, and then went to the link in Sweden where it seems to be focused on regenerating Jewish culture in Europe. It seems hard to reconcile the two without digging further. So I don't have any specific idea how to address the first part of your question as to 'paranoia'. Are you paranoid about this?

As to the second half, I assume you mean 'scapegoat' and not 'escape goat', which I don't know what the latter would refer to. In any case, yes, it is my underlying thesis that this is the general role assigned to Jews within the Biblical scheme that is the backbone of Western Civilization. Collectively they take on the role of the Suffering Servant from Isaiah, and which Christ assumes this role in Christianity.

To me, all of this is part of the 'ugly sausage making', so to speak, of global harmonization. The irony we hear in such Jewish support of globalization is an inversion of the nationalism of the the Jewish zealots paranoid reaction against the Hellenizers of Christ Titus time. All part of 'God's Plan' IMO.

I was listening further on the audio clip about what the two hosts were saying about White Privilege. I got the sense that they share the common perception of a monolithic White Culture, as they brought up the question of what people from West Virginia would think about the concept of White Privilege. Of course, the people who coined the term White Privilege may have thought the same thing or understood that they were creating an imperfect classification. The more green you have the more White Privilege you have.
 
I don't understand how this responds to my question.
Pray for the Lord (or whomever) to take away one's desires of the flesh - to leave one content and not consumes with dependency. Either they will leave or they will be provided for - the unconscious mind Heavenly Father having the greater power and the wisdom to wield it than we
 

Jerry Russell

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Hi Marcilla,

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that Pope Francis should be President, or that Warren Buffet should be anointed as Most High Priest of the Temple of Mercury.
Neither. I'm suggesting that Pope Francis and Warren Buffet are both powerful men in their realms, and neither one needs to be President to wield that power.

IOW, the leader of the economy would set monetary policy, administer the State, chair the Party, be chief executive producer of all media, and head all market research and intelligence. One babysitter ultimately responsible for the global chimpig nursery.
What do you see as the motivation for this one world leader to take on so much work and responsibility?

Pray for the Lord (or whomever) to take away one's desires of the flesh - to leave one content and not consumes with dependency. Either they will leave or they will be provided for - the unconscious mind Heavenly Father having the greater power and the wisdom to wield it than we
Was there some reason why your cartoon directed this advice specifically to gay people? Doesn't it say in the canon somewhere that the Lord helps those who help themselves?
 

Richard Stanley

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Pray for the Lord (or whomever) to take away one's desires of the flesh - to leave one content and not consumes with dependency. Either they will leave or they will be provided for - the unconscious mind Heavenly Father having the greater power and the wisdom to wield it than we
So, the Heavenly Father made a SNAFU mistake when he placed us here is what you are saying, and you 'spiritual beings' have a right to intervene in his defective will. Just like those who want to extend their mortal existence.

The gnostics acgnowledged that they had descended to the material plane, where everything was corruptable and/or decaying, but so as to allow them to accomplish some feats of 'perfection' while within their material shell. Some of this took it to mean that they were meant to enjoy (rather than deny) the fruits of existence, such as sex, and as usual with most everything else, some took this too far.

When you are temporarily in your Father's Hotel you should enjoy its amenities, but not like a rock star.
 

Richard Stanley

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I was listening further on the audio clip about what the two hosts were saying about White Privilege. I got the sense that they share the common perception of a monolithic White Culture, as they brought up the question of what people from West Virginia would think about the concept of White Privilege.
The following excerpt from the September 2016 issue of The Atlantic has some trenchant comments about the internalities of the so-called White Race and its Culture in the USA. The article is a review of two recent books, White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America, and Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis, and well worth reading.

Please note that I have highlighted the term nonelect, as this is the correct context for the cryptic biblical term Elect, i.e. the highest temporal and secular class.

Class distinctions were maintained above all in the apportionment of land. In Virginia in 1700, indentured servants had virtually no chance to own any, and by 1770, less than 10 percent of white Virginians had claim to more than half the land. In 1729 in North Carolina, a colony with 36,000 people, there were only 3,281 listed grants, and 309 grantees owned nearly half the land. “Land was the principal source of wealth, and those without any had little chance to escape servitude,” Isenberg writes. “It was the stigma of landlessness that would leave its mark on white trash from this day forward.” This was not just a Southern dynamic. The American usage of squatter traces to New England, where many of the nonelect—later called “swamp Yankees”—carved out homes on others’ land only to be chased off and have their houses burned.

The Founding Fathers were, as Isenberg sees it, complicit in perpetuating these stark class divides. George Washington believed that only the “lower class of people” should serve as foot soldiers in the Continental Army. Thomas Jefferson envisioned his public schools educating talented students “raked from the rubbish” of the lower class, and argued that ranking humans like animal breeds was perfectly natural. “The circumstance of superior beauty is thought worthy of attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs and other domestic animals,” he wrote. “Why not that of man?” John Adams believed the “passion for distinction” was a powerful human force: “There must be one, indeed, who is the last and lowest of the human species.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-original-underclass/492731/

So much for "egalitarianism".

As I have suggested elsewhere, like the synthetic Palestine Jews of yore, (most) Americans have forgotten their true history (by design), and have been recast as the paranoid xenophobes of the Previous Promised Land. Look what good that got those Jews then. And same as now, with the different strata of Whiteness, those 'Jews' were divided along the same lines, with such populist faux heroes as the Maccabees really being Hellenists.

Ironic that we are also discussing beehive culture on this thread, as the bee was a symbol important to such Jews as the Maccabees, as they derived it from the Egyptian royalty. BTW, Josephus said the Maccabees were buried in pyramid shaped tombs (and Jacobovivi has found a site that matches the description). Coincidence?

End of Part 1.
 

Richard Stanley

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Part 2 prior post:

Here's some more from earlier in the article:

Equally jarring has been the shift in tone. A barely suppressed contempt has characterized much of the commentary about white woe, on both the left and the right. Writing for National Review [the neocon publication - RS] in March, the conservative provocateur Kevin Williamson shoveled scorn on the low-income white Republican voters who, as he saw it, were most responsible for the rise of Trump:

Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence—and the incomprehensible malice—of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs … The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin.

Analysis on the left has been less gratuitously nasty but similarly harsh in its insinuation. Several prominent liberals have theorized that what’s driving rising mortality and drug and alcohol abuse among white Americans is, quite simply, despair over the loss of their perch in the country’s pecking order. “So what is happening?” asked Josh Marshall on his “Talking Points Memo” blog in December. “Let’s put this clearly,” he said in wrapping up his analysis of the dismal health data. “The stressor at work here is the perceived and real loss of the social and economic advantages of being white.”

The barely veiled implication, whichever version you consider, is that the people undergoing these travails deserve relatively little sympathy—that they maybe, kinda had this reckoning coming. Either they are layabouts drenched in self-pity or they are sad cases consumed with racial status anxiety and animus toward the nonwhites passing them on the ladder. Both interpretations are, in their own ways, strikingly ungenerous toward a huge number of fellow Americans.

They are also unsatisfying as explanations for what is happening out there. Williamson, for one, mischaracterizes the typical Trump voter. As exit polls show, the candidate’s base is not the truly bereft white underclass Williamson derides. Those Americans are, by and large, not voting at all, as I’m often reminded when reporting in places like Appalachia, where turnout rates are the lowest in the country. People voting for Trump are mostly a notch higher on the economic ladder—in a position to feel exactly the resentment that Williamson himself feels toward the shiftless needy. As for liberals’ diagnosis that a major public-health crisis is rooted in racial envy, it fails to square with, among other things, the fact that blacks and Hispanics have hardly been flourishing themselves. Yes, there’s an African American president, but by many metrics the Great Recession was even worse for minorities than for whites.

The highlighted portion about Williamson is also apropos of the dubious claims about meritocracy. Practically speaking most meritocracies are quickly polluted by nepotism and other forms of brown-nosing political machinations, but leaving those aside, those who have managed to raise themselves up in such a supposed system are frequently the same who later vote to raise the barriers to entry, so as to protect their positions and garnered benefits.

And lastly:

For England, the New World beckoned as more than a vast store of natural resources, Isenberg argues. It was also a place to dispose of the dregs of its own society. In the late 16th century, the geographer Richard Hakluyt argued that America could serve as a giant workhouse where the “fry [young children] of wandering beggars that grow up idly and hurtfully and burdenous to the Realm, might be unladen and better bred up.” The exportable poor, he wrote, were the “offals of our people.” In 1619, King James I [of the Authorized King James Version Bible fame - RS] was so fed up with vagrant boys milling around his Newmarket palace that he asked the Virginia Company to ship them overseas. Three years later, John Donne—yes, that John Donne—wrote about the colony of Virginia as if it were England’s spleen and liver, Isenberg writes, draining the “ill humours of the body … to breed good bloud.” Thus it was, she goes on, that the early settlers included so many “roguish highwaymen, mean vagrants, Irish rebels, known whores, and an assortment of convicts,” including one Elizabeth “Little Bess” Armstrong, sent to Virginia for stealing two spoons.

One of America’s founding myths, of course, is that the simple act of leaving England and boldly starting new lives in the colonies had an equalizing effect on the colonists, swiftly narrowing the distance between indentured servant and merchant, landowner and clerk—all except the African slave. Nonsense, Isenberg says: “Independence did not magically erase the British class system.” A “ruthless class order” was enforced at Jamestown, where one woman returned from 10 months of Indian captivity to be told that she owed 150 pounds of tobacco to her dead husband’s former master and would have to work off the debt. The Puritans were likewise “obsessed with class rank”—membership in the Church and its core elect were elite privileges—not least because the early Massachusetts settlers included far more nonreligious riffraff than is generally realized. A version of the North Carolina constitution probably co-authored by John Locke was designed to “avoid erecting a numerous democracy.” It envisioned a nobility of landgraves and caciques (German for “princes” and Spanish for “chieftains”), along with a “court of heraldry” to oversee marriages and make sure they preserved pedigree.

So I guess depending upon where you're standing, your perspective (white or otherwise) will be different and whether or not one should be paranoid or not. And/or, we need to rethink this culture crap from the ground up.
 

Richard Stanley

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Part 3:

After the above book review finishes with White Trash it starts in with Vance's Hillbilly Elligy and this cuts further into the culture space between the highest and lowest white echelons in America. After this is discussed the book's author's 'conservative' misguided sentiments about where things had gone wrong and how his hillbilly kith and kin can and should get back on their feet via pulling on their own bootstraps. Forgotten here is the role played by the likes of the Bushes and Clinton's and their backers in fomenting such NAFTA and GATT, for the sake of advancing neo-Hellenistic globalism -- rigged for the benefit of the Elect. Albeit that the review author does mention such as the inclusion of China into the WTO as a contributing factor. (Remember fair trade is good, Free Trade is rigged.)

With the same appealing guilelessness that he brings to the story of his youthful ordeals, Vance describes the culture shock he experiences in New Haven. He doesn’t know what to make of the endless “cocktail receptions and banquets” that combine networking and matchmaking. At the fancy restaurant where he’s attending a law firm’s recruitment dinner, he spits out sparkling water, having never drunk such a thing. He calls his girlfriend from the restroom to ask her, ‘What do I do with all these damned forks?’ ”

His estrangement often reflects poorly on the echelon he’s joined, whose members, he says with understatement, could do a better job of “opening their hearts and minds to” newcomers. He is taken aback when law-school friends leave a mess at a chicken joint, and stays behind with another student from a low-income background, Jamil, to clean it up. “People,” he writes, “would say with a straight face that a surgeon mother and engineer father were middle-class.” To his astonishment, he is regarded as an exotic figure by his professors and classmates, simply by virtue of having come from a small town in the middle of the country, gone to a mediocre public high school, and been born to parents who didn’t attend college.

He adapts to his new world well enough to land at a Washington, D.C., law firm and later in a court clerkship, and is today prospering as a principal at an investment firm in San Francisco. But the outsider feeling lingers—hearing someone use a big word like confabulate in conversation makes his blood rise. “Sometimes I view members of the elite with an almost primal scorn,” he admits. And questions nag at him: “Why has no else from my high school made it to the Ivy League? Why are people like me so poorly represented in America’s elite institutions?” He is acutely aware of how easily he could have been trapped, had it not been for the caring intervention he received at key moments from people like Mamaw and his sister. “Thinking about … how close I was to the abyss, gives me chills. I am one lucky son of a bitch.” He asks:

How much of our lives, good and bad, should we credit to our personal decisions, and how much is just the inheritance of our culture, our families, and our parents who have failed their children? How much is Mom’s life her own fault? Where does blame stop and sympathy begin?

The irony here, with Vance, is that he got a rare ticket out of his ever degraded white culture and into the elevated Elect White Culture. The review author, Alec Macgillis, discusses Vance's typical reaction to those who didn't make it out of the white ghetto.

As Vance notes, resentment of this sort—which surfaces again and again in his book—helps explain why voters in the world he came from have largely abandoned the Democrats, the party of the social safety net.

Nor is the animus new: Isenberg traces it back to the days when poor Southerners were scorned for availing themselves of the aid extended to freed slaves—and joined in the scorn as soon as they escaped the dole. “The same self-made man who looked down on white trash others had conveniently chosen to forget that his own parents escaped the tar-paper shack only with the help of the federal government,” she writes. “ ‘Upscale rednecks’ had no trouble spotting those below them in their rearview mirrors.” In Vance’s book, those “below” are mostly fellow whites and the resentment is not primarily racially motivated, as many liberals would have one believe of all anti-welfare sentiment.

Macgillis, goes on to discuss how government programs reversed the previous downward spiral of lower class white America in the early and mid-20th century, thus forming the under(class)pinnings of what Joe Atwill himself considers the apex golden age of Western Culture. Separately, I have mentioned similar targeted programs at uplifting the American-Irish, whom everyone, at the time, assumed were genetically criminal, but some Harvard pinhead arbitrarily decided that they could indeed be saved, as opposed to the blacks who were left out of said program.

And to conclude:

A case can be made that the time has arrived for a major undertaking in, say, the devastated coal country of central Appalachia. How much to invest in struggling regions themselves, as opposed to making it easier for those who live in them to seek a livelihood elsewhere, is a debate that needs to happen. But the obligation is there, as it was 80 years ago. “We think of the left-behind groups as extinct,” Isenberg writes, “and the present as a time of advanced thought and sensibility. But today’s trailer trash are merely yesterday’s vagrants on wheels, an updated version of Okies in jalopies and Florida crackers in their carts. They are renamed often, but they do not disappear.”

Except they are now further out of sight than ever. As Isenberg documents, the lower classes have been disregarded and shunted off for as long as the United States has existed. But the separation has grown considerably in recent years. The elite economy is more concentrated than ever in a handful of winner-take-all cities—as Phillip Longman recently noted in the Washington Monthly, the per capita income of Washington, D.C., in 1980 was 29 percent above the average for Americans as a whole; in 2013, that figure was 68 percent. In the Bay Area, per capita income jumped from 50 percent to 88 percent above average over that period; in New York, from 80 percent to 172 percent. As these gaps have grown, the highly educated have become far more likely than those lower down the ladder to move in search of better-paying jobs.

The clustering is intensifying within regions, too. Since 1980, the share of upper-income households living in census tracts that are majority upper-income, rather than scattered throughout more mixed-income neighborhoods, has doubled. The upper echelon has increasingly sought comfort in prosperous insularity, withdrawing its abundant social capital from communities that relied on that capital’s overflow, and consolidating it in oversaturated enclaves.

So why are white Americans in downwardly mobile areas feeling a despair that appears to be driving stark increases in substance abuse and suicide? In my own reporting in Vance’s home ground of southwestern Ohio and ancestral territory of eastern Kentucky, I have encountered racial anxiety and antagonism, for sure. But far more striking is the general aura of decline that hangs over towns in which medical-supply stores and pawn shops dominate decrepit main streets, and Victorians stand crumbling, unoccupied. Talk with those still sticking it out, the body-shop worker and the dollar-store clerk and the unemployed miner, and the fatalism is clear: Things were much better in an earlier time, and no future awaits in places that have been left behind by polished people in gleaming cities. The most painful comparison is not with supposedly ascendant minorities—it’s with the fortunes of one’s own parents or, by now, grandparents. The demoralizing effect of decay enveloping the place you live cannot be underestimated. And the bitterness—the “primal scorn”—that Donald Trump has tapped into among white Americans in struggling areas is aimed not just at those of foreign extraction. It is directed toward fellow countrymen who have become foreigners of a different sort, looking down on the natives, if they bother to look at all.

It should be noted that Macgillis had some interesting comments as to the motivations for eugenics, that began in America before spreading to Europe.
 

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Macgillis, goes on to discuss how government programs reversed the previous downward spiral of lower class white America in the early and mid-20th century, thus forming the under(class)pinnings of what Joe Atwill himself considers the apex golden age of Western Culture.
This is revealing a sort of criteria by which to evaluate the state of a culture or civilization: that is, the extent to which all classes (including the lowest ones) are elevated to the greatest possible extent, in terms of education, productivity and prosperity. We also measure the level of integrity in the upper classes -- whether they use their power to benefit society as a whole, or whether they are bent on looting and racketeering. It's also a major concern, when the distance between the greatest and the most humble is grotesque and getting worse all the time.

And I am not denying that there are institutions, forces and cultural customs that have been more or less continually working throughout history as we know it. But we can also recognize that the situation is in flux, and Joe's model of cultural degradation has some merit.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Why not just go for the Brave New World approach to procreation?
I'm not going to be responsible for bringing another chimpig into this world
It just struck me that this was an odd dialog, and not just because it quoted me as the source of the question.

Marcilla: under the wbcpgs system, wouldn't you do whatever the system required of you, as far as bringing chimpigs into the world? That is, if the Gods determined that you were a Queen or husband, you would have no choice in the matter?

Whereas under the BNW system, everybody would be created in test tubes.
 

Richard Stanley

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This is revealing a sort of criteria by which to evaluate the state of a culture or civilization: that is, the extent to which all classes (including the lowest ones) are elevated to the greatest possible extent, in terms of education, productivity and prosperity. We also measure the level of integrity in the upper classes -- whether they use their power to benefit society as a whole, or whether they are bent on looting and racketeering. It's also a major concern, when the distance between the greatest and the most humble is grotesque and getting worse all the time.
It may be that the PTB recognized that they had to allow such 'elevation' so as to facilitate the wars (including the Cold one) that were orchestrated, and maybe facilitate certain psychological goals (e.g. crushing the expected ever higher generational gains) that are being exploited today. If so, their 'integrity' can not be tested by such means.

And I am not denying that there are institutions, forces and cultural customs that have been more or less continually working throughout history as we know it. But we can also recognize that the situation is in flux, and Joe's model of cultural degradation has some merit.
Of course there is cultural degradation going on just as asserted. My only contention is that this is not revenge based, but part of a larger machiavellian Maximalist plan, embedded in the central documents of our Culture. The lord(s) giveth with one hand and taketh with the other.
 
I'm suggesting that Pope Francis and Warren Buffet are both powerful men in their realms, and neither one needs to be President to wield that power.
Yes, granted. However, someone will be made Head of Government. "Democratically" speaking, if most people believe "the economy" is the number #1 issue, and consistently so, what is the justification for absolving the person who "objectively" could do most about it from the responsibility of having to be accountable for doing so?

What do you see as the motivation for this one world leader to take on so much work and responsibility?
I read somewhere it has something to do with compensating for an insecurity issue

Was there some reason why your cartoon directed this advice specifically to gay people?
Sorry, not "gay" as in "pertaining to attraction between persons of the same gender," but rather "gay" in the Josephan sense of "that flower of her age wherein women are the most gay"

Doesn't it say in the canon somewhere that the Lord helps those who help themselves?
Yes, granted, but to what end? According to St. Paul, "it is well for [the unmarried and widows] to remain unmarried as I am." -- 1 Corinthians 7:8 (NRSV)

When you are temporarily in your Father's Hotel you should enjoy its amenities, but not like a rock star.
I heard we were supposed to keep the linens fresh and help others with their baggage

It just struck me that this was an odd dialog, and not just because it quoted me as the source of the question.
I tried to fix this, but I am no longer able to edit the reply in question

Marcilla: under the wbcpgs system, wouldn't you do whatever the system required of you, as far as bringing chimpigs into the world?
According to me, yes. According to Richard, I might bee a bad chimpigbee

Whereas under the BNW system, everybody would be created in test tubes.
I must confess, I never read it :: shrugs ::

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As to the more general question, it occurs to me that perhaps some people have a tendency to view culture as a more monolithic thing than others do. I would say that within any culture of any size or time, there are pockets of high culture and low culture.

Also, as to what drives this culture, I'm concerned there is an unquestioned assumption that it is the result of an elite agenda, with little consideration for the corollary that the elite are "elected" by the agenda which is determined by the masses. Of course, I am assuming that what people tell pollsters and what are their unconscious desires are will often be alienated from one another.

In any event, as to the question of ideal culture, I am once again going to exercise my feminine prerogative and this time endorse, being the unreformable conservative that I am, a return to our anglophonic cultural roots in submission to T-w as head of the pre-Odinic Germanic Pantheon (although, having learned from our people's Christianization, I have not spelled out His ineffable name). No more lying about in the court of Y-hweh's Kingdom of Heaven, it'll be oh dark thirty eternal in General T-w's Army of Heaven, and that means fall in to formation for PT (that's Piety Training), and knock out push-ups from now until Ragnarock!
 

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I'm concerned there is an unquestioned assumption that it is the result of an elite agenda, with little consideration for the corollary that the elite are "elected" by the agenda which is determined by the masses.
We hold that the masses are enthralled by the mass media, as created by the elite. So, the elite seem to have more responsibility for the situation, as well as more freedom and power to do something about it if they wanted to. But, it does seem to be an interlocked system, and the masses do play their part.

Maybe we should be nicer to the elite in our rhetoric -- they may think of themselves as prisoners of the system as much as anyone, albeit they have more opulent prison cells.

What if T-w is the same as Yahweh? Old English Tiw, proto-Germanic Tiwaz, Proto-Indo-European Deiwos, Greek Zeus, Latin Deo-pater or later Jo've, proto-Semitic (or missing link?) Ya've? (All right, I made that last one up, but seems plausible.) Anyhow, if there's only one God, these must all be references to the same ineffable nature.

Reports are spotty, but Zeus (at least) seems to have rather enjoyed the pleasures of the flesh.
 
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Richard Stanley

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Also, as to what drives this culture, I'm concerned there is an unquestioned assumption that it is the result of an elite agenda, with little consideration for the corollary that the elite are "elected" by the agenda which is determined by the masses. Of course, I am assuming that what people tell pollsters and what are their unconscious desires are will often be alienated from one another.
I claim that you are professing a latter day, Postmodernist notion that has been institutionally fomented to instill an otherwise unsubstantiatable 'Feeling' (dark shades of the elite's dark Romantic Movement) that the peeps are in democratic control, when in reality they are yet 'white' sheeps.

Rather than yelling: "Soylent Green is People", we should be yelling "The Peeps are (white) Sheeps", and not just during Easter. Thus, in the metaphorical world telling some sheep to take the Blue Pill is the same as saying: "Once you go Black Sheep, you'll never go back."

In any event, as to the question of ideal culture, I am once again going to exercise my feminine prerogative and this time endorse, being the unreformable conservative that I am, a return to our anglophonic cultural roots in submission to T-w as head of the pre-Odinic Germanic Pantheon (although, having learned from our people's Christianization, I have not spelled out His ineffable name). No more lying about in the court of Y-hweh's Kingdom of Heaven, it'll be oh dark thirty eternal in General T-w's Army of Heaven, and that means fall in to formation for PT (that's Piety Training), and knock out push-ups from now until Ragnarock!
As with Jerry's reply to this, and my (and others) attempt(s) to link Jo've with Ya've, the evolved notions of 'Judeo-Christians singing in God's Heavenly court amusingly and ironically evokes images of mythic accounts of a court of spiritual elders at Shambhala that I've read before. Granted that much of what we know about matters like Shambhala are piecemeal and many likely apocryphal. And then there is the curious association of mystical Judaism with the Tantra, and that the Cabala can be found in many parallel forms in the goy world. In my view, it is all consistent with the Diffusionist and Catastrophist viewpoints, and what we have been watching unfold is nothing more than the efforts of some to put their prior global system back together.

Nevertheless, when one thinks of Shambhala one must remember others' attempts to find and create a perfect society:

Inspired by Theosophical lore and several visiting Mongol lamas, Gleb Bokii, the chief Bolshevik cryptographer and one of the bosses of the Soviet secret police, along with his writer friend Alexander Barchenko, embarked on a quest for Shambhala, in an attempt to merge Kalachakra-tantra and ideas of Communism in the 1920s. Among other things, in a secret laboratory affiliated with the secret police, Bokii and Barchenko experimented with Buddhist spiritual techniques to try to find a key for engineering perfect communist human beings.[13] They contemplated a special expedition to Inner Asia to retrieve the wisdom of Shambhala - the project fell through as a result of intrigues within the Soviet intelligence service, as well as rival efforts of the Soviet Foreign Commissariat that sent its own expedition to Tibet in 1924.

Similarly, Heinrich Himmler and Rudolf Hess sent a German expedition to Tibet in 1930, and then again in 1934-35, and in 1938-39.[14] Some[who?] later occultists, noting the Nazi link[citation needed], view Shambhala (or the closely related underground realm of Aghartha) as a source of negative manipulation by an evil (or amoral) conspiracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shambhala#Expeditions
 

Richard Stanley

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In regards to Marcilla's hivemind and its worker 'drones' I thought the following blog post was interesting as it relates to Culture, the 'workaholic' notion and such. It may also force me to rethink my notion of the Cynics. BTW, some (like myself) consider the Beatitudes of GMatthew as being cribbed from the itinerant Cynic philosophers as part of the co-optation plan of the authors. As such, and if true, does this mean that such were also meant to turn the nascent Xians into good 'workaholics' for the sake of the empire? And how does this relate to the later Protestant 'Work Ethic' then?

... Pieper traces the origin of the paradigm of the “worker” to the Greek Cynic philosopher Antisthenes, a friend of Plato’s and a disciple of Socrates. Being the first to equate effort with goodness and virtue, Pieper argues, he became the original “workaholic”:

As an ethicist of independence, this Antisthenes had no feeling for cultic celebration, which he preferred attacking with “enlightened” wit; he was “a-musical” (a foe of the Muses: poetry only interested him for its moral content); he felt no responsiveness to Eros (he said he “would like to kill Aphrodite”); as a flat Realist, he had no belief in immortality (what really matters, he said, was to live rightly “on this earth”). This collection of character traits appears almost purposely designed to illustrate the very “type” of the modern “workaholic.”
https://www.brainpickings.org/2015/08/10/leisure-the-basis-of-culture-josef-pieper/
 
We hold that the masses are enthralled by the mass media, as created by the elite. So, the elite seem to have more responsibility for the situation, as well as more freedom and power to do something about it if they wanted to. But, it does seem to be an interlocked system, and the masses do play their part.
The media oligarchs will tell you that they're just responding to consumer demand. IIRC, Roseanne said the "real power" is held by a few in media market research. I am not inclined to argue

Maybe we should be nicer to the elite in our rhetoric -- they may think of themselves as prisoners of the system as much as anyone, albeit they have more opulent prison cells.
"Golden handcuffs," as the saying goes.

To be clear, I'm not advocating on their behalf, but rather for what is "reasonable"


What if T-w is the same as Yahweh? Old English Tiw, proto-Germanic Tiwaz, Proto-Indo-European Deiwos, Greek Zeus, Latin Deo-pater or later Jo've, proto-Semitic (or missing link?) Ya've? (All right, I made that last one up, but seems plausible.) Anyhow, if there's only one God, these must all be references to the same ineffable nature.
Yes, right, please allow me to be more direct, then - theocratic militocracy, "G-d as general of the Armies of Heaven" and the faithful as His foot soldiers.

I claim that you are professing a latter day, Postmodernist notion that has been institutionally fomented to instill an otherwise unsubstantiatable 'Feeling' (dark shades of the elite's dark Romantic Movement) that the peeps are in democratic control, when in reality they are yet 'white' sheeps.
Yes, it is very fair to label it post-modernist. I think I, myself referred to it as a "DeLeuzian delusion" earlier.

Most people want someone else to "be in charge," they just want that person (Abba - Daddy) to care for them. Therefore, I do not see a logical conflict between the ideas that the masses are "sheeple," and yet that there is a democratic mechanism of control (systemically, not institutionally, if that makes sense).

BTW, some (like myself) consider the Beatitudes of GMatthew as being cribbed from the itinerant Cynic philosophers as part of the co-optation plan of the authors. As such, and if true, does this mean that such were also meant to turn the nascent Xians into good 'workaholics' for the sake of the empire? And how does this relate to the later Protestant 'Work Ethic' then?
My experience is that some people actually find their worklife fulfilling, and some others end up as workaholics, granted, but without others' encouragement as much as their own desire to escape some other reality :: shrugs ::
 
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