QAnon and John-John

[Seeker]

From the Hidden Kings article of Miles Mathis too, on page 84 - "I have one final prediction. I predict that before 2020, a man claiming to be John F. Kennedy III will arrive on the scene, and that he will be able to prove it. He will be about 20 years of age, and he will explain that he had to remain “underground” for his own safety—due to the murders of his father and grandfather. He will achieve immediate fame, of course. He will spend some time in the limelight and then die under mysterious circumstances, probably having to do with a plane crash. I think you can see that this prediction takes no supernatural power. I would suggest to you that most successful predictions are of this sort: they are due to the kind of logic you see in this paper, not to divining or inspiration."

I have no idea who this "John F. Kennedy III" is, but 9 years ago he had a blog - https://john-kennedy-iii-blog.tumblr.com/ I must say this, to me he certainly resembles JFK Jr., and even has a sister named "Rose"! If he was truly 17 years old, 9 years ago, as he claims on that site, then he was born before the marriage of JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette on Sept. 21, 1996, and Carolyn is probably not his mother.

If this is the same "John F. Kennedy III", he joined "Ron Paul Forums Liberty Forest" 9 years ago also - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?33800-John-F-Kennedy-III

Or could Miles be talking about this one? https://www.inquisitr.com/1316742/john-f-kennedy-jr-fathers-love-child-before-his-death-report/

By the way, in case anyone was wondering - https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-foll...ting-jfk-jr-return-leave-empty-handed-1652318

Oh, now I get it, JFK Jr. has actually become Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones, obviously a "Hidden King" front for him. https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/qanon-supporters-jfk-jr-rolling-stones-b1951467 Sure, he has to be, as the Stones mentioned his Dad JFK Sr., and Uncle Bobby, in "Sympathy for the Devil". I think I may have just discovered another clue in those lyrics, "Who, Woo, Oh yeah, What's my name?"!

 

[Jerry Russell]

While we're talking about the Hidden Resort: what about Marcus Lamb??

For those who haven't heard, Lamb was the founder, president & televangelist for Daystar Television, currently the 2nd largest Christian TV network, said to have a worldwide audience of 2 billion people. The network featured "prosperity gospel" programming. The Gideon Knox Group, an alt-right site with more of a Puritan-leaning outlook, posted the following information in their obituary:

Lamb was in the mainstream news a decade ago after he admitted to cheating on his wife and having an affair, after being blackmailed for 7.5 million dollars by employees who found out about it, and was later sued by another employee who filed a fraud claim, saying this wasn’t the Christian work environment she signed up for after revelation of the adultery hit. ​

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He was also in the news last year after he received a government bailout loan for 3.9 million dollars, and then shortly thereafter bought a private jet, a Gulfstream V, which he claimed was for ‘the ministry’ even though he was spotted using it for vacation purposes.​

Lamb is said to have died on Nov. 30th at age 64 after a bout with covid-19. Big pharma fellow-travelers are gloating about this:

Yet another anti-vax broadcaster has died of COVID-19. His name was Marcus Lamb, he was 64 years old, and he was a Christian television host who encouraged people to pray instead of getting the shots for coronavirus. Lamb questioned the effectiveness of the vaccines and whether getting inoculated would instead be harmful to the immune system. He said that as an alternative to getting vaccinated, “we can pray, we can get ivermectin, and budesonide and hydroxychloroquine.” This is a story we have heard so many times in only slightly different forms. There is now a long list of conservative and religious broadcasters who wrote off the vaccines as bad and instead pushed the usual suspect drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. In some of these cases, the people who pushed the alternative treatments wound up getting COVID and some percentage of them have died.​

Statistically, this should not be happening. Various doctors who treat covid-19 using IVM, HCQ, budesonide & etc. claim to have treated cumulatively thousands of patients with very few deaths. Lamb obviously had the necessary funds, motivation & connections to have sought the very best medical help available. He reportedly had diabetes, but otherwise appeared fit & healthy.

Of course nobody claims that early treatment can reduce covid-19 mortality all the way to zero. But if The Lord is smiting one famous televangelist after another with severe or fatal coronavirus, in spite of early treatment, something seems statistically amiss. There just aren't that many famous religious broadcasters, for any significant number of them to become IVM failures.

While the Catholic Church and liberal Protestant churches have enthusiastically joined the "vaccine" bandwagon, thus cementing the allegiance of Church and State on this critical bipartisan scam. Meanwhile, the Red State evangelicals have been steadfastly on the side of genuine science, touting the value of early treatments, and welcoming critics of experimental gene therapies.

Could it be that the "conservative churches" are teaching by example, showing the flock that the wages of sin (that is, IVM and HCQ) is death, and that true salvation lies in Pfizer Comirnaty, and failing that, Remdesivir?

Now, I don't have the slightest speck of evidence that Lamb (or any other televangelist) faked their own death by covid-19. I would normally be the first to express my disapproval of such baseless speculation.

But instead I'm going to put this out there. Does anybody want to take on the challenge of looking deeper into this? Should we ask Miles Mathis?

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

Case study- Take it for what it's worth: My father was a rake- he left a debris field of failure and questing children, some illegitimate, in his wake. He was in the show biz rackets, an art director (designing sets) and later a set designer (building sets- he built Archie Bunker's living room, ie). A union man with a gold mine of stories told to someone who he had no reason to lie to (that would be me, his accidental confessor), and he told me sooooo many stories. He never turned down a job, even if last minute, and it killed his marriage to my mother (and three other wives). He was a drinker and would do anything to stay in show business, even dropping so low as to be a production assistant on porn films (1970's when the producers didn't card). He regretted many things in his life, and, to get to the point, he was the most doctrinaire atheist who ever lived. But, the one job he did turn down, and the pay was phenomenal, was working for a televangelist, whose confessed cynicism regarding his ripping off of old ladies and invalids wanting miracles was so acute, it rankled my father's underfed morality to such a point that he turned down the work- a steady gig that would have resulted in a robust weekly paycheck, likely in perpetuity. So, yeah, I'm totally down with the idea that televangelists are just more propaganda porn stars engineered to fleece the gullible, even if many would label my old man an unreliable narrator. Lamb (o'gawd) faked his death? Probably someone was about to raid the money Laundromat and the prime suspect had to hot foot it to Brazil. A life insurance bonus to boot. If you ask Miles Mathis, he will conclude these "Christians" are circumcised and don't work after sundown on Friday, if you know what I mean.

 

[Marcilla Smith]

For more J'FK wasn't shot and killed', here's a repost of my take on the subject. https://pieceofmindful.com/2018/12/23/jfktv-new-revised/

So far, I've only gotten to the art where he wasn't killed. Everything up to that point had me nodding along, and then I was like, "what???"

... which isn't to say that I disagree, I will just have to return to finish reading.

In the meantime (perhaps "in my current ignorance") my prejudice is that beyond the "but first understand that you can't believe the media," the next thing to understand is the context that the USA was going to coup Cuba. Therefore, the CIA knew this, therefore the mob knew this. Both orgs felt threatened by the president (and his brother). Because of the planned coup, special directives had been put in place in the event of the death of any "prominent US official." This created the opportunity the mob needed to take their revenge, and why shouldn't the CIA look the other way, or even open up that opportunity a little wider, if they can (and they are so disposed - the nature of the work is that the right hand often doesn't know what the left is doing)? This synergy is reminiscent to me of how Valkyrie II aided the 20 July Plot (to take over Nazi Germany).

Therefore, as I understand it, Mr. Kennedy was to be homicided in Chicago - mob hotbed - but word got around, and then in Tampa - also foiled for probably similar reasons, and then finally succeeded in Dallas - perhaps because the plan was launched from Louisiana. The way I heard it, there were patsies set up in the two previous locations with profiles bearing some resemblance to Mr. Oswald :: shrugs ::

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

MS- Thanks for reading. The Cuber stuff is just more SOT theater. We, I mean T.H.E.Y. have always owned Cuba. Gitmo is possibly the largest base outside the US. What army does Cuba have? The Soviet tech was funded by Wall Street if you read Anthony Sutton, which means they were never a threat with phantom missiles.
Here's a take I find amusing regarding Castro: http://mileswmathis.com/castro.pdf
But the main point is that the Kennedy's were "them" and they don't kill their own. In my reckoning, famous people, like the Kennedy brothers, are "royal" bastards. They play public personas, are blood loyal to the hidden hands, but not of the main inheritance, so they crowd out real, unconnected, talent from the world stage.
Review Ned Beatty's harangue in "Network"- that should clean out your "current ignorance" as you put it.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Tyrone, I've been reading too. It's a nice break from my newly developed obsession, "all covid, all the time." I'm about a third of the way through. It's an excellent reminder that however voluminous the "evidence" might be, every element of it has dubious aspects.

They play public personas, are blood loyal to the hidden hands, but not of the main inheritance, so they crowd out real, unconnected, talent from the world stage.

Doesn't this somewhat undercut your argument? If JKF was "not of the main inheritance", why would the "hidden hands" go to such trouble as to fake his death, and preserve him on an island somewhere? What indispensable services could he provide?

And furthermore: even if they did save him, what difference would it make to us? According to this view, the "hidden hands" are determining all important policies, regardless of any of JFK's activities.

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

Jerry thanks for reading. My opinion is this: They don’t kill their own, illegitimate or otherwise. Blood loyalty and producing bastards as foot soldiers of sorts has been good for business for a long, long time. They stage killings of public personas; but JFK the human being, for example, was simply reassigned. Or, since he was so visible, he remained out of contact with those outside the loop and lived on various remote sites, like Skorpios, Martha’s Vineyard, likely a horse ranch Jackie and Ari owned in New Jersey- with the added advantage that if everyone in those days assumed he was dead, they would not see him even if he walked right by. “That can’t be JFK- he’s dead. The TV said so.” That was 1963.

Going back to at least Julius Caesar, who was a fake martyr, too, the process is probably easy at this point to keep the persona permanently dead while the host lives on as someone else, somewhere else. Consider the passage in JFKTV where I mention John Frankenheimer’s third film in his crypto-JFK trilogy, “Seconds” with a very Kennedy-esque Rock Hudson faking his death and re-emerging as someone completely different. That’s a tell, if you know how to look for it. It’s part, also, of the confession that the public always missed. That gives the perps a feeling of absolution. “We ‘fessed up, but you missed it. Not our fault. We’re clean.”

I also think it would be difficult to recruit these bastards if they were actually going to be killed. I also imagine that JFK and other dead stars introduce themselves to future agent/bastards to reassure the next one up to the plate that no one dies in these operations.

The reason for these hoaxes are varied- JFK appears to be a regurgitation on some levels of the martyred Christ, complete with a three year public ministry. These replays of archetypal personas, their deaths and the engineered turmoil that follows goes way back to the beginning of hierarchies, whenever that may have been. This position of mine has been reinforced to a large degree by the work of Charles N Pope, who has been considered here at PF.

Thanks again for taking the time.

 

[Marcilla Smith]

First of all, I have to say that I love Network. I think I last saw it all the way through about ten years ago, showing it to a group of anarchist friends. Already at the time, it had been profoundly predictive of the future of media. Now, I think we may have surpassed even the parts considered the most absurd at the time it was released!

Beyond that, I'm afraid I had some difficulty following some of the esoteric phraseology. Regardless of who anyone thinks owns Cuba, my understanding is that the Italian mob felt that the "Irish mob" had pulled a double-cross on them - accepting their help to get legit political power, and then pulling a Whitey Bulger once they got the White House and AG on lock.

Some say that they first tried in Chicago. However...

Information about Vallee [thought to be an alternate patsy], his similarity in appearance and background to Oswald and details of the Cuban hit squad in Chicago were never given to federal agents in Dallas.

[Secret Service Agent] Bolden said the information was not known to have been passed on to Dallas.

Some say they tried a second time, a few days later, in Tampa:

For three months in 1959, Skip was in a Cuban prison, along with Tampa mobster Santo Trafficante.

... Weeks after the president’s assassination, John [Pappas] recalls, Skip brought a rifle to him. Considering all the guns that Skip had, this one did not seem obviously valuable or special. “John, take this rifle,” Pappas says Skip told him. “Put it away. Don’t touch it. Don’t talk about it.” And when John asked, “What’s this all about?,” Skip replied, “You’ll know.”

The Carcano was the same make as the rifle Oswald got through the mail from a sporting goods company in Chicago. The rifles are poorly regarded as inconsistent and unreliable; Oswald happened to get one that shot straight. It was adapted so it could take a telescopic sight. So had the one that Skip Hall gave his stepson.

“Somebody was trying to make a hunting rifle,” said Al Offinga, a retired federal agent and firearms consultant. At the request of the Tampa Bay Times, he studied various photos of the Pappas rifle. “That would be the only reason for somebody to (add a scope), unless they were going to shoot the president.”

John Pappas sent the rifle for testing and examination to Lucien “Luke” Haag, a firearms expert in Arizona. Although it came from the same Italian armory as Oswald’s, Haag determined that it was an older version that took slightly larger bullets than the two that hit JFK.

Months after he handed over that rifle to his stepson, Skip told John something else about the assassination: there were two people on the Grassy Knoll, where witnesses said they saw a shooter. One was there to kill JFK. The other was there to make sure it happened.

If I had less regard for human life, I'd be tempted to make a "third time's the... " but, of course, I wouldn't dare.

Despite presenting a more mundane story, I do like the idea of "dead stars" making appearances to entice new recruits. It has a very MIB feel to it. Dead stars still burn, you say?

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

MS- The back stories are just that- stories. Like multiple “witnesses” who don’t know each other but tell the same story, it makes the basic lie they are telling seem credible. Multiple plans make the one that “worked” seem more real. Oswald was just the story that would calm people down. Rough justice served. When cooler heads started looking into that story, the rabbit trails had already been mapped out. The one thing the tricksters needed to hold “true” was that Kennedy was D.E.A.D. As long as that lie held, the who, the how and the why did not matter. More stories are being told to this day- Oswald was communicating with the KGB is the latest. Hadn’t heard that before. These historical lies need face lifts every now and then to remain official history.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Perhaps ’they’ choose from a variety of archetypal prototypes, depending on the evolving historical circumstance. Once JFK chose a path of peacemaking and advocacy for the common man, he fell into the ’Jesus’ archetype, and thus became a candidate for martyrdom with all the appropriate details. Similarly, Trump was more of a Samson type, thus his figurative demise afree destroying the Temple (that is, the Jan 6 insurrection). Are these events improvised, or planned decades or aeons in advance? It has the appearance of spontaneity; it’s hard enough to convince most people that we aren’t over interpreting coincidences.

 

[Tyrone McCloskey]

Jerry- The masks can be switched as the need arises, though I suspect they can plan and execute with precision because the whole thing is on paper some time before the curtain goes up on these passion plays. The modern addition of photography has required visual "confirmation" to sell these whoppers, but spontaneity is as you state: Mere appearance. Some like the idea there is an alignment with the stars element that is vital to the mass hoodwinking- that is, without this astro-addition, the magic tricks wouldn't work. I don't know how that applies, but the As above, so below juu juu is not for everyone, myself included. Same with gematria. I don't get it. Seems too granulated as analysis. But, if THEY believe it, does that really make it a thing? Maybe these "alignments" are part of the confessional segment of the hoaxing process.
As for Samson, that seems apt. Just prior to the election, I posted on another blog that Trump aligned with Pharaoh and Nero and Biden was slotted as Moses and Vespasian, thus assuring in my mind that Biden would "win". https://pieceofmindful.com/2020/11/02/moses-vespasian-biden-defeats-pharaoh-nero-trump/

 

[Seeker]

According to this view, the "hidden hands" are determining all important policies, regardless of any of JFK's activities.

Not sure if this belongs here, but found it intriguing nevertheless, as I seem to recall Rick and Jerry debating on whether one person is in total control, or that many actually determine all important policies in their various spheres of influence - https://isgp-studies.com/ngo-list-foundations-and-think-tanks-worldwide#superclass-index

 

[Jerry Russell]

https://isgp-studies.com/ngo-list-foundations-and-think-tanks-worldwide#superclass-index

Hello Seeker, happy new year!

Your linked resource is tremendously valuable for anyone favoring the view that power is more dispersed than concentrated. That is, if an oligarchy of roughly 400 individuals ruling over the world, could be considered "dispersed".

The rating system for these powerful people is based on the sheer number of NGO's linked to each person. Perhaps the rating system would be more useful if the organizations themselves were also ranked somehow in terms of their power & influence. Intuitively, I'd guess that the Federal Reserve and the Rockefeller Foundation are more relevant than the National Geographic Society or many others on the list. But a connection to each one, counts the same in the ranking.

Current relations to major mega-corporations or governmental organizations are conspicuously missing from the rating system. Most politicians have at least some NGO connections, but Joe Biden is completely missing from the list. Elon Musk ranks about the same as Murray Gell-Mann, which hardly seems accurate.

Getting back to the thread topic: there's no living member of the Kennedy family on the ISGP list.

 

[Seeker]

Joe Biden is completely missing from the list

He does have a rather dated mention on that site from "https://isgp-studies.com/forstmann-little-conferences-visitors" section, scroll down to "Biden, Joe".

Getting back to the thread topic: there's no living member of the Kennedy family on the ISGP list.

The search engine is lousy on this site, but Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is mentioned in a couple of articles as a "speaker" if you look for him.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is mentioned in a couple of articles as a "speaker" if you look for him.

Indeed, the ISGP site is a huge, sprawling, encyclopedic resource, full of amazing details. It's hard to imagine that anybody in the political / economic "establishment" isn't mentioned somewhere on the site. I was referring to Kennedy and Biden's absence from the "top 400" list.

Rick and I have been reading the ISGP site and talking about it for many years. I'm flabbergasted to find that we've never actually mentioned it here on the Postflaviana discussion board. It's almost like we've been hiding something!

At ISGP, webmaster Joel van der Reijden explains his political philosophy on his Intro page, "The Basics of Supranational Politics: NGOS, Superclass Index, Four-Establishment Model and Box Models."

His four-establishment model is shown in this figure:

Which is not something we could disagree with here in any structural way, except that Richard felt very strongly that the "Vatican" and "Zionist" boxes are very tightly interconnected as a consequence of their intertwined historical development, and that both the liberal and conservative secular boxes are in fact under control of the "Vatican" and "Zionist" boxes. Behind all of this, we are in agreement with van der Reijden that the structure is run by certain very wealthy and powerful people and families, including such as the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and von Habsburgs. The picture must also include relatively "new men" such as Henry Kissenger and Ted Shackley, tech giants like Gates and Musk, and many others.

Van der Reijden thinks that these multinational powers are implementing their globalist agenda primarily through NGO's. I think that this is increasingly turning out to be correct, especially with the increased role of NGO's like the WHO and WEF in creating the pandemic response and "Great Reset" projects.

Our main disagreement with Van der Reijden is probably his "Box Model for Conspiracy Handling". He has a litmus test for legitimacy of 9/11 researchers: whether or not they agree that the Pentagon was struck by Flight 77. He points out that "a whopping 95% of all prominent and less prominent 9/11 researchers" see some sort of problem with the Flight 77 story. But he presents a false dialectic: that if you don't buy the Flight 77 story, it's necessary to believe there was a drone or missile.

Actually, we've claimed here that Flight 77 did indeed approach the Pentagon, but overflew it; while the destruction at the Pentagon was accomplished by explosives. Van der Reijden doesn't even mention this theory, which has been advocated now by many researchers, and not just us. I've never claimed that the evidence is clear enough to exclude other viewpoints to 100% certainty, and I believe that reasonable people can disagree. Whereas, Rick tended to think that the level of "crazy" among 9/11 researchers, was sufficient to justify the view that the vast majority of them were "controlled opposition".

I'm seeing the covid-19 skeptic community now starting to disintegrate into chaos over similar disagreements. Do viruses exist, or not? Does Ivermectin help prevent the worst outcomes? Some are saying that IVM can't be a cure, because there is nothing to be cured.

Anyhow, the ISGP box model makes a lot of sense:

As long as you put Postflaviana in the "Reasonable" camp! We have an overflight theory, not a no-plane theory; we have JFK questions but we're short of definitive answers; & we don't push Holocaust denial & chemtrail theories, even though we also think there are legitimate questions about exactly what happened at the end of WWII, and what weather & climate control technologies might exist.

Also I do think it's highly likely that "disinformers" exist -- but also, that a certain level of creative yet wrong ideas is part of the human condition.

ISGP has a very nice JFK assassination page. Oddly, he doesn't discuss the controversy over the authenticity of the Zapruder film, although he does notice that it doesn't sync with the HSCA echo-location tape. He suggests that maybe the tape was stretched, but I'd say it's more likely that the Zapruder film has had some frames removed.

Van der Reijden is satisfied that JFK was killed, but it's surprising how little of the argument changes if he wasn't. All the reasons for "disappearing" him, would be the same as the reasons for killing him. And if it wasn't Kennedy in the Presidential limo, but it was a stand-in or look-alike, then everything else about the day's events would be unchanged. Tyrone could reasonably argue that maybe both of them are completely fake.

 

[Seeker]

By the way, Happy New Year to you also!

I was referring to Kennedy and Biden's absence from the "top 400" list.

No "real", living Kennedy family member appears to be active in politics anymore, and Biden may very well be a propped up figurehead by this time. If fellow Republican New Yorker David Rockefeller were truly backing Trump, as I believe I found an article about before, but then passed away at 101, two months after his inauguration, with no visible successor, maybe the still visible Rothschilds were able to put Biden in office by the next election (also with help from Jersey Girl/Hillary supporter/Rothschild wife Lynn Forester?).

Van der Reijden is satisfied that JFK was killed, but it's surprising how little of the argument changes if he wasn't.

I could believe that JFK Jr. were alive behind the scenes also, as Miles Mathis has it, rather than that travesty supposedly backing Trump, and ultimately "becoming" Keith Richards last November. Talk about a real life "Rocky Horror Picture Show" (lol) !

It's almost like we've been hiding something!

Aha, so I caught you, and Miles Mathis was right about those Russells and Stanleys!

 

[Marcilla Smith]

Aha, so I caught you, and Miles Mathis was right about those Russells and Stanleys!

Oh how deep the conspiracy goes! Good job, Seeker! (if that even is your name :: raised eye brow :: )

We have an overflight theory, not a no-plane theory; we have JFK questions but we're short of definitive answers; & we don't push Holocaust denial & chemtrail theories, even though we also think there are legitimate questions about exactly what happened at the end of WWII, and what weather & climate control technologies might exist.

Also I do think it's highly likely that "disinformers" exist -- but also, that a certain level of creative yet wrong ideas is part of the human condition.

Oh, Jerry, you know how that "reasonable talk" makes makes my heart melt! <3

 

[Jerry Russell]

(if that even is your name :: raised eye brow :: )

I noticed the following dialog in a Substack comment section.

Jessica Rose: Am I the only person on Substack who uses my real name?

Mathew Crawford: No. I use your name too, but only when I'm buying drugs.