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Claude Badley

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I wrote "...we have to look beyond the West to principles that work - the infinite universe of Chinese philosophy, the Mandarinal testing system and an elective caste system (derived from the Indian prototype) which pays workers more for distasteful jobs (abattoir, sewer and garbage workers) are what future Fuehrers require, not rule by the rabble...
This is one of the more intriguing proposals from Claude's many posts. "Elective" means that workers would opt into their low caste position, rather than having it thrust upon them? So, workers who sign up for the extra pay would be giving up their political rights, whatever they might be? I can see that some people might find this appealing. Not only would the extra money be a major boost in itself, but also there would no longer be any point in watching pundits on TV, or debating with friends and family on Facebook. No need to waste money on MAGA hats. And, political campaigns would save money since they no longer would have to pay for mass media, but could concentrate their efforts on reaching out to the decision making class.
That's correct, Jerry - they maintain their wages too, by being able to see what others get and by noting their privileges compared to others. Hence for the unskilled or lower skilled workers they could migrate from one job to another when comparing pay scales, time off and geographically varied tax rates. Their potential anger will be entirely assuaged by knowing that they will not be prejudged by their ethnic origin and that their children if they so choose individually, may end up becoming part of the topmost elite - a non-financier elite - governing this type of society.
If a lower caste worker becomes unhappy with his or her situation in life, and comes to believe that the Baddist system needs to be abolished and the Leader should be deposed: then, he or she could opt out of the system and resume full political rights, and would be free also to seek some lower-paying intellectual job, such as to become a librarian? Would professional political agitator positions be available?
This is why we have unions already - but under the new system, the unions (and hopefully everybody else) will be constantly pushing for full employment with decent wages, and know for themselves that they have to organize this for their own members and for the wider unskilled worker masses.

I.e. there will still be capitalism (taxed primarily according to Georgist rules) but these will not be financier capitalists speculating on land, but will rather be doing the economic organization and working hard for their profits - and paying for the privilege of using land and scarce resources. They are the Vaisya caste in the system - which is why the Jews became the de facto Vaisya caste in southern India.

Of course there are some people, anyone from lower caste worker to disgrunted ex-financial elitist hankering for those Ghizly old days, who will always want to overthrow the system. They shouldn't be suppressed at the bud - as the Communists did, fearing international capitalist subversion; rather, they should be indulged merely to show how silly they are. However there is an intermediate period of setting up the new system before such a position and such people can be indulged. Needless to say, Communism never reached this stage - and couldn't either.
In the Mandarin system, this examination was to select civil servants for positions in the government bureaucracy. In the Baddist regime, would these meritorious individuals have any actual political power, or would they be mere functionaries and rubber stamps? How would the pay grade compare to the low caste sewage workers?
For those in the lower parts of the bureaucracy their pay (for an average workday) would be lower than sewage workers, hence the sewage workers would know this and not feel too bad about it. In fact there will no doubt be migration between jobs, where people find the job that fits them best. Managing and repairing robots will certainly be one of these! The upper administration (a bureaucracy is a self-serving administration, like an institution is a self-serving organization - as Carroll Quigley will tell you) will get a bit more than sewer workers, but their task will often be hard as they have to deal with emergencies - fires, floods, disease etc. Generally there will be older people in upper administration, largely to avoid the sexual conflicts that otherwise mark the higher echelons so deeply (don't they Ghizly!?)
So how is this Baddite leader supposed to get into power? A Baddist coup?
Taking power will always be a coup in somebody's eyes - but the obvious answer here is that people will see that this is a viable alternative. After all, your excellent reply shows this, despite your perverse love for Big Al non-Capone.

After all, when the George Floyd Antifa-led riots asked not for the specific identification and trial of the police officers involved, but for the defunding of the whole police force - all this backed by the George Soros foundation, is it not obvious - without having to invoke Joe - that there is a nefarious agenda behind it? Read Soros's 'Fallibility' - I had his book somewhere but cannot find it at present; he loves his Big Al non-Capone!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Claude Badley

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Note that the ruling elite in the above post is a collective, though in times of trouble it may have a leading dictator - as the Romans did when they normally had two consuls. Fascism by its very definition is a collective leadership - not a dictator like Mussolini. This is because the term derives from the fasces, the bundle of Roman sticks or rods surrounding an axe and representing Roman legal authority. The sticks represent the collective, the axe the executive.

The different we-groups that emerge in any society approach each other with the principle "together we are stronger" but have to negotiate as to whether they can really cooperate at all on any level. The Leftist collectivist however wants everybody to join willy nilly, democracy for all ensuring that a manipulative demagogic apparatus establishes itself on the internal stupidity of the average rabble-member. Of course this does not always happen - so that's why we have "branch-stacking" in major Australian political parties, to remove those minorities who begin to think for themselves. Hence their perpetual stupidity and complicity with richer lobby groups.

PS: I meant to write "disgruntled" in the post above, not 'disgrunted' which suggests that the ex-financier elitist would have been a soldier previously. That is not what I meant!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Richard Stanley

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So, now you are invoking the Roman republican democracy as your Neofascist ideal? Interestingly, the American republican (not party) democracy, modeled deliberately upon the Roman model (sans the two consuls) also invokes the Roman fasces. Two of them prominently on the wall behind the plebians' Speaker of the House podium, and then again on the chair of Abraham Lincoln's statue, to name a few places.

All that is happening with you NeoCatholics is that you are complaining about the current phase of the CCCS Model's expansionary cycle that you are in. Just sit back and relax and watch it all unfold.

Oh, I keep forgetting that you cannot allow yourselves to see the inherent divide and conquer dialectic built into the Western system. How terrible it is that "JudeoChristian" Protestants mimick Roman and Orthodox Christian imperialist colonialism. Oh cluck, cluck says the moose. "The latters' genetic elites (The Elect) are acting in everyones' interests, don't you see"?

Continuous complaining about Jews and Protestants, baked purposely into the cake (for just such reasons) serves to (magically) distract from the real show. All while you paternalistically explain how some individuals must konform below some arbitrary bar despite demonstrating higher abilities. And worse, the vice-versa situation. No matter? Apparently genetic relativity matters. We'll just pay you more to do what you don't want to do with your life.

I do have to hand it to you that Western history has generally been organized this way, as we are studying here. Unfortunately the genetic elite tribe appears more like an organized crime family. And the cyclical CCCS Model is the way they 'roll' when herding their culturally trained 'sheep'. One phase monarchy suits them, then after the scripted schism and conquest of new lands, the strident anti-monarchists raise up their new republic, infected from the beginning by corrupting agents of the elite shepherds for the next cycle.
 

Claude Badley

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As any modern text will tell us, the West has become more democratic over the centuries.
Richard Stanley said:
More importantly, you (purposely) fail to understand the paradigm here in all regards. The destitute on the streets of LA has nothing to do with democracy and so proves nothing, especially if the elites have scripted it. If Jesus is their avatar, he said that the poor would always be with us, didn't he? Why, because the system that he and you advocate defaults to this.
Hence the destitute on the streets of LA are indeed the product of democracy - embodied e.g. in Proposition #13 in your state where the middle class majority voted to prevent earnings from property sales by councils to be spent on the local schools - entrenching the underclass thru lack of education.

Furthermore, we see the malignancy of democracy thru comparing the LA destitute with Black slaves in in the antebellum South. Whatever indignities the slaves were subjected to, they were producers, and produced the wealth upon which the plantation owners relied; therefore the slaves could not be treated too badly that they could not survive nor reproduce. The situation is exactly the opposite for the LA destitute. The elites just hope they'll go away and die off - just like Israel treats the Palestinians.

This is why the Protestant-Jewish alliance is the biggest show in the global town. Indeed, it is more highly evolved than Catholicism or Sunni Islam, but in that lies the West's ultimate downfall. The Jews would not be arrogant if they were not backed by the Evangelists - and the danger consists in that these Evangelists have no interest in protecting the Earth's environment either, which is why war is so likely.

Russia's and China's leaders do not have to put up with religious traditions in their countries as bad and hypocritical as that of Judaeo-Christianity - because those countries and their people already suffered socio-economic crises which weakened the hold of traditional religions (including Communism) and/or made them more responsive to human needs and a new government more interested in social solidarity. Hence US democracy is the prime enemy as through it the masses are lulled into a fake sense of security and the middle class bought off by government handouts.

People will wake up only as these handouts are reduced (due to economic decline, now especially from COVID lockdown), and the lower middle class finally come to understand that the LA destitute are WORSE OFF than Black Americans were during slavery times. They will come to understand this, however, only because that is the ONLY future they themselves will be facing if peace continues. (With war they will find employment in arms factories instead)

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Claude Badley

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Postscript to #164: They will come to understand the fact that antebellum slaves were not as badly off as the LA destitute, only because such destitution is the ONLY future they themselves will be facing if peace (i.e. democratic dumbing-down) continues. Conversely, with war they will find employment in arms factories instead.

Yours faithfully
Claude

PS: Internet very slow - the new normal I suppose before complete breakdown.
 

Richard Stanley

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Well Father, you have not advanced the state of Casuism very far, nor that of doing Plato proud. But you are preparing the 'lane' for Space Jesus, as a NeoCatholic talking points evangelist for your cause. But this is a forum for "dialogue" as another member put it, not propagandic diatribes. As such, you are failing at every turn to respond to my dialogue, and I am now asking Jerry to terminate your membership.

Hence the destitute on the streets of LA are indeed the product of democracy - embodied e.g. in Proposition #13 in your state where the middle class majority voted to prevent earnings from property sales by councils to be spent on the local schools - entrenching the underclass thru lack of education.
Leaving aside that the property tax system, as applied nationally, is a racist and classist problem, before Prop 13 California was the leader and crown jewel of American 'liberal' progressivism in terms of a wide range of social policies, excepting common race issues as with the nation more broadly. Ignoring race matters, all of that was created under the institutions of nominal democracy, and similar happened in other locales.

Prop 13 was an early manifestation of the pseudo-conservative Neoliberal coup remotely fostered by your shit-bag royal elite remnants in Austria. "The better to destabilize you my dear".

Similarly, beginning with Governor Brown and his son, Governor Moonbeam (the Jesuit seminary student), all kinds of excessive do-worse-than-gooder 'liberal' policies became commonplace, strangling the ability to do business.
Furthermore, we see the malignancy of democracy thru comparing the LA destitute with Black slaves in in the antebellum South. Whatever indignities the slaves were subjected to, they were producers, and produced the wealth upon which the plantation owners relied; therefore the slaves could not be treated too badly that they could not survive nor reproduce. The situation is exactly the opposite for the LA destitute. The elites just hope they'll go away and die off - just like Israel treats the Palestinians.
Once again, the American race problem isn't democracy, but that the freed slaves were never given a fair shake. And, American slavery, including in Catholic Central and South American, was instituted and religiously and academically (the Romance Movement) Justified by the institutions of Europe, to replace the royal losses in income streams from the emancipations and migrations of the feudal serfs.

Your friend, under the covert Jesuit covers, Confederate General Albert Pike, was the top Freemason and a top member of the KKK, and post-war USA was not about to let their cheap labor situation abate. Either with blacks and other minorities or labor in general. Official economic policy was against so-called "full employment" for this very reason.

So, once again, your Jesuit pharisee talking points are casuistically bankrupt. Despite your claimed exper-tease regarding Plato and Einstein, you have negative rigor to come to a proper conclusion, and repeatedly and doggedly so, agenda driven no less.
This is why the Protestant-Jewish alliance is the biggest show in the global town. Indeed, it is more highly evolved than Catholicism or Sunni Islam, but in that lies the West's ultimate downfall. The Jews would not be arrogant if they were not backed by the Evangelists - and the danger consists in that these Evangelists have no interest in protecting the Earth's environment either, which is why war is so likely.

Blah, blah, blah. Create the problem, provide the solution. I know, you're just following your marching orders from Fiji, where the Internetz are slow.
Russia's and China's leaders do not have to put up with religious traditions in their countries as bad and hypocritical as that of Judaeo-Christianity - because those countries and their people already suffered socio-economic crises which weakened the hold of traditional religions (including Communism) and/or made them more responsive to human needs and a new government more interested in social solidarity.
That's right, they just kill, imprison, or poison their opposition. Except you forgot that Putin has resurrected fascist Khristianity.
Yours faithfully
But you mean "Yours Disingenously and Contemptuously"
PS: Internet very slow - the new normal I suppose before complete breakdown.
Darn, you ruined my Nietzsche Moment. Not really, as I just found out that Jerry didn't save his change to fix the 'server' problem.
Postscript to #164: They will come to understand the fact that antebellum slaves were not as badly off as the LA destitute, only because such destitution is the ONLY future they themselves will be facing if peace (i.e. democratic dumbing-down) continues. Conversely, with war they will find employment in arms factories instead.
This is a really perverse comparison. This coming from a priest that ignores that American blacks (and others) are getting shot and/or killed by police (predominantly Catholic in the USA) without just cause, that said police are standing by watching property damage (conducted by provocateurs) before attacking otherwise peaceful protesters redressing their constitutional rights.

Trump recently stated that if Biden gets elected that there will be violence in the streets of 'Democratic' cities. A commentator astutely pointed out that this is already the case. But, the facts no longer matter, as we are living in overtly fascist times, the American Democracy and mass media now controlled by Jesuitic Georgetown Catholics in the White House, the House, and the Supreme Court, not by Protestants or Jews.

You will be happy to know that fake Presbyterian, Trump, is well emulating your equally fake hero, Hitler, in important regards: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/just-saying-whos-trumping-der-fuhrer.1548/post-16803
 
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Jerry Russell

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Claude, I notice that you haven't denied Richard's thinly veiled accusation that you are a Jesuit priest!

Confess, my son.... there is no shame in it. Even Joe Atwill went to Jesuit elementary school.

Fascism by its very definition is a collective leadership - not a dictator like Mussolini.
What an odd statement, considering that the term Fascism was coined by Mussolini to describe his own government and his own political party and orientation. Fascism, by definition, is a collective cadre that lifts up a sovereign dictator like Mussolini. And then the collective must sleep in the bed they've made up for themselves, for better or worse.

This is because the term derives from the fasces, the bundle of Roman sticks or rods surrounding an axe and representing Roman legal authority. The sticks represent the collective, the axe the executive.
In this imagery, the sticks are bound securely to the axe, and they act together in unity. Under the "Sovereign Master Commander Dictator Principal", the executive's commands are sovereign. The sticks had better not be questioning the axe, lest they find themselves unbundled and chopped.

The Leftist collectivist however wants everybody to join willy nilly...
Aren't you potentially describing a form of Fascism here? That is, if we have a Leftist collectivist achieving the post of "Sovereign Master Commander Dictator" then everyone is included as a stick in his bundle. The amount of "rabble" included makes absolutely no difference, since the SMCD is making all the decisions anyhow.

This is why the Protestant-Jewish alliance is the biggest show in the global town.
Claude, you keep ignoring Richard's point that there isn't just a Protestant-Jewish alliance, but also a Catholic-Protestant-Jewish alliance. Joe Biden is Catholic, are you expecting big changes if he wins and takes office?

... before Prop 13 California was the leader and crown jewel of American 'liberal' progressivism in terms of a wide range of social policies... all of that was created under the institutions of democracy, and similar happened in other locales.
Now I'm confused. Has the USA ever had democratic institutions? I thought your position was that it's all been a sham, more or less uniformly, from its inception until now.

As insufferable as Claude might be, he certainly has a valid point that American democracy has its problems.

PS: Internet very slow - the new normal I suppose before complete breakdown.
Please keep trying. I don't want to go into the embarrassing details, but I have every reason to believe that the problem is at our end. Hopefully it's fixed now and it will stay fixed.
 

Claude Badley

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Claude, I notice that you haven't denied Richard's thinly veiled accusation that you are a Jesuit priest!
I think he knows I'm not. I had an Anglican upbringing, my paternal grandfather an Anglican minister. When I was 6 he told me the story of God wanting Abraham to sacrifice Isaac - then saying "only kidding" to Abraham as a ram was found to be substituted instead. I wasn't impressed then - though I did think of the early Israelities and the British to be one and the same as a result.
Confess, my son.... there is no shame in it. Even Joe Atwill went to Jesuit elementary school.
That's where Joe and I differ. He has more Irish ancestry than me, and a Catholic upbringing. He had a relative who was a novelist (i.e. intellectual); my relatives' most noteworthy achievement comprised a great aunt who had a baby at 53 making Australian medical history in the early 1930s.

As for Fascism being a collective leadership...
What an odd statement, considering that the term Fascism was coined by Mussolini to describe his own government and his own political party and orientation. Fascism, by definition, is a collective cadre that lifts up a sovereign dictator like Mussolini. And then the collective must sleep in the bed they've made up for themselves, for better or worse.
...you've answered your own question. He had the biggest mouth - and his initial followers were an ignorant unselected group, and he didn't know how to choose them since he had based everything on feeling.
In this imagery, the sticks are bound securely to the axe, and they act together in unity. Under the "Sovereign Master Commander Dictator Principal", the executive's commands are sovereign. The sticks had better not be questioning the axe, lest they find themselves unbundled and chopped.
The opposite is also true in that if the axe dies, the sticks have to elect one of their own or find another axe.

Concerning the mass democracy all-inclusive movements.
Aren't you potentially describing a form of Fascism here? That is, if we have a Leftist collectivist achieving the post of "Sovereign Master Commander Dictator" then everyone is included as a stick in his bundle. The amount of "rabble" included makes absolutely no difference, since the SMCD is making all the decisions anyhow.
I can hardly disagree here since you can point to so many leftist leaders e.g. Stalin, who fit the "fascist" label in the populist sense.

But you do not mention the deeper (and very negative) implications of democracy - though Richard did in passing. Democracy is a movement designed for and functioning only in the good times - like a good time gal, but she'll leave you the moment things go wrong and she'll prostitute herself to someone who can pay her a bit more, leaving you feeling more than a bit "trumped" in both senses.
Claude, you keep ignoring Richard's point that there isn't just a Protestant-Jewish alliance, but also a Catholic-Protestant-Jewish alliance. Joe Biden is Catholic, are you expecting big changes if he wins and takes office?
A good point, in that so many Catholics have kowtowed to this situation - and you indeed find overt Catholic Zionists, and trace this too to the Vatican's opening an embassy for Israel. However, even E Michael Jones (EMJ) alone proves that there are Catholics who hold to the traditional Christian belief - i.e. the NON-Judaeo-Christian position* - and that Catholicism holds the Jews at arms length as it were - because they are made to stink of money, because the early Romans could NOT trust each other with the purse strings, giving it to Jews instead. Protestants outnumber Catholics in the USA but where o where, anywhere, in the USA or Australia, do you find a Protestant commentator who criticizes modern Judaism and its subversion of society the way EMJ does? Such a critical perspective in Protestantism is entirely absent - simply because those who do hold such perspectives, like myself, have abandoned Protestant culture and ways of thinking.

So I don't expect any change with Slumpy Joe - which is why I gave him that name - since his Catholicism is just the sanitized Western version, whereas Evangelican Protestantism created the West's modern culture (not traditional culture) in the first place!
As insufferable as Claude might be, he certainly has a valid point that American democracy has its problems.
Democracy works fine for small groups, and rules de facto in economic expansion, but to think that democracy will work when real political and economic difficulties emerge is naive in the extreme, beyond suffrage and sufferability.

Consider the work by Loren Goldner in 1993 here:

https://solidarity-us.org/atc/45/p4883/

This article was printed for us members when I was in that Marxist party that year. It took me over a year to understand what he meant - but the end result of it was that I disagreed fiercely with him and the common Marxist viewpoints (which are also pro-Einstein), leading to my coming to read Nietzsche and finally Heidegger's work on Parmenides and Heraclitus, and getting kicked out of that party. His hankering for "genuine democracy" is especially clear when he writes of the English Revolution i.e. Cromwell versus the Levellers and Diggers, the latter representing the extremes of religious democratic thought. What Goldner does not see is that "genuine" or "participatory democracy" is an idealized construct that does NOT admit that human differences are fundamental and that any successful future government has to recognize that as part of its ideology and its structure.

Yours faithfully
Claude

PS: The internet is working OK, Jerry, so you or someone did something really right!

*And if you still don't know what I mean about the difference between Christianity and Judaeo-Christianity then look at the South Park episode: "The Passion of the Jew" which reveals so starkly that Judaeo-Christianity is based on NOT finding out the facts!
 
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Jerry Russell

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I had an Anglican upbringing, my paternal grandfather an Anglican minister.
So you are an Anglican priest? Or, wish you had been one? Richard's guess was pretty close.

Democracy is a movement designed for and functioning only in the good times - like a good time gal, but she'll leave you the moment things go wrong and she'll prostitute herself to someone who can pay her a bit more, leaving you feeling more than a bit "trumped" in both senses.
Historically this seems right to me, that democracy is accompanied by good times -- at least for the citizens and beneficiaries, although not so much for the external victims of democratic colonialism, nor for the environment. Richard has made a case that democracy is neither the cause of the good times, nor the result, but that both are caused by a great elite-driven cycle.

Regardless of the cause, it is also true that democracies have repeatedly collapsed into fascist authoritarian tyranny.

We are looking for ways to keep the good times rolling, by fixing the flaws in democratic systems -- rather than celebrating the descent into authoritarian madness, and hastening the decline.

A good point, in that so many Catholics have kowtowed to this situation - and you indeed find overt Catholic Zionists, and trace this too to the Vatican's opening an embassy for Israel.
You are admitting to part of the truth here, and yet this doesn't go nearly far enough. Since Pope John XXIII greeted the Jews saying "I am Joseph your brother", and then backed this up with Nostre aetate declaration, the reconciliation of Judaism to Christianity has been a central policy of the Roman church. And of course, the Pope and the Vatican hierarchy hold themselves out as the Vicars of Christ, and the sole definition of true Catholicism.

However, even E Michael Jones (EMJ) alone proves that there are Catholics who hold to the traditional Christian belief ... where o where, anywhere, in the USA or Australia, do you find a Protestant commentator who criticizes modern Judaism and its subversion of society the way EMJ does?
I am curious how EMJ would defend himself against a Catholic who accused him of treason against the Pope and the Vatican? Because surely you must agree he has made himself a heretic against the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church by defying its decision to reconcile with the Jews. EMJ has a hell of a lot of nerve to still call himself a Catholic.

Thankfully, it is indeed hard to find such a rabid racist anti-Semite as E Michael Jones among modern Protestants. Or at least if they do harbor such hatred, they keep it hidden in their hearts.

And if you still don't know what I mean about the difference between Christianity and Judaeo-Christianity then look at the South Park episode: "The Passion of the Jew" which reveals so starkly that Judaeo-Christianity is based on NOT finding out the facts!
That episode is hilarious!! Sadly, the entire episode is hidden behind paywalls: I was able to watch it on HBO Max. But you can get the gist on youtube clips.

A young Traditional Catholic named Eric Cartman is harassing Kyle, who is Jewish. Cartman tells Kyle that he's afraid of the truth, and that if he wants to understand why Jews are hated, he needs to go see the "The Passion of the Christ" movie with Mel Gibson. So, Kyle goes to the theater, and is horrified to see the Jews killing Christ in the movie.


Kyle comes to the realization that the Jews need to apologize to the Christians for such cruel treatment, even if Jesus was only human. Kyle grovels to Cartman, admits his error, and begs forgiveness.

Cartman, feeling aggrandized, starts a Mel Gibson fan club and attracts many followers. He addresses the crowd dressed in his brown shirt with red armband. He tells them "we all know what needs to be done".


Lest anyone miss the point of Cartman's rant, a South Park fan has made a mash-up to drive it home.


Meanwhile, two other South Park kids think the movie sucks, and they hunt down Gibson himself and demand a refund. Gibson is revealed as kinky sado-masochist who desperately wants to be tortured. His neediness makes Gibson a laughing-stock, and Cartman's Christian followers realize that they've been played for fools.


On what planet is the "Revealed Truth" in this South Park episode, favorable to traditional Catholicism??

The episode does not address the more fundamental truth, that the New Testament tale is fiction, written for the explicit purpose of inciting Christians to hate Jews.
 
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Seeker

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It is very easy to become a "Messiah" in 2020, all you have to do to "save the world" is stay at home, or so we are told. Much earlier in time, we were also told:

Matthew 10:16


King James Version
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.



Of course, it would "wise" to continue posting on the Internet, or hardly anyone will notice this upgrade to your status.

PS- In my humble opinion, the following Dennis Hopper approach is not for an "Easy Rider", in this instance:

 
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Claude Badley

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So you are an Anglican priest? Or, wish you had been one? Richard's guess was pretty close.
Confusing one's upbringing as predetermining the outcome.
Historically this seems right to me, that democracy is accompanied by good times -- at least for the citizens and beneficiaries, although not so much for the external victims of democratic colonialism, nor for the environment. Richard has made a case that democracy is neither the cause of the good times, nor the result, but that both are caused by a great elite-driven cycle.
I have to agree that the good times tends to encourage democracy and vice versa - while also encouraging blindness and complacency about WHO is running the agenda. This will become clearer as those thrown out of work and provided only temporary relief suddenly find themselves on the streets.
Regardless of the cause, it is also true that democracies have repeatedly collapsed into fascist authoritarian tyranny.
Of course, because democracy is superficial in its attitudes. In early 1936 in Spain you had democratic elections - with 42% each, setting the stage for the Spanish Civil War; the set stage resulted from the severe economic decline, not something invented by Fascistic machinations.
We are looking for ways to keep the good times rolling, by fixing the flaws in democratic systems -- rather than celebrating the descent into authoritarian madness, and hastening the decline.
One really good way to help is to get people directed into meaningful travel to other stellar systems' planets - rather than overpopulating our solar system with 1,000X the present population, meaning that even if Earth's population increased by 100 times, California alone would have a population of 3,000,000,000, over twice that of China today.:p

IOW Believing in Einstein means clinging to a dead-end alley for science - since this SOC is the one telling you that "nothing can travel faster than light"!

You are admitting to part of the truth here, and yet this doesn't go nearly far enough. Since Pope John XXIII greeted the Jews saying "I am Joseph your brother", and then backed this up with Nostre aetate declaration, the reconciliation of Judaism to Christianity has been a central policy of the Roman church. And of course, the Pope and the Vatican hierarchy hold themselves out as the Vicars of Christ, and the sole definition of true Catholicism.
The reconciliation involves Israel today, but the hard core position of the original Church was that the Jews are needed as moneylenders but outside the Christian faith, where the death of Jesus is used to counterbalance potential Jewish domination.

It was Protestant Christianity that overthrew that position - ultimately to grant Jews equality and allowing them, eventually, to take over the Western economies, which mess we are now stuck in.
I am curious how EMJ would defend himself against a Catholic who accused him of treason against the Pope and the Vatican? Because surely you must agree he has made himself a heretic against the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church by defying its decision to reconcile with the Jews. EMJ has a hell of a lot of nerve to still call himself a Catholic.
When EMJ publicly stated his opposition to abortion, he was kicked out of his university position at a Catholic university. The Catholics here are modernized ones, falling for all the Western trappings of egalitarian democracy. Such Catholics will also fade away, as the Protestants have, only the stupidest ones supporting the Evangelicals, which is why they garner Republican support.
Thankfully, it is indeed hard to find such a rabid racist anti-Semite as E Michael Jones among modern Protestants. Or at least if they do harbor such hatred, they keep it hidden in their hearts.
EMJ is NOT an anti-Semite since that term refers to racial stigmatization of Jews, that Jews have some genetic DNA-based predisposition to usury, deceit etc. Rather, he is anti-Jewish in the traditional Christian sense - but does not realize that the Passion of Jesus was an invention of the Romans to control the Jews.

Only with the Jewish redefinition of anti-Semitism to cover anti-Israel and anti-Zionism does your criticism have any credibility - i.e. you are following modern Jewish prejudices here - merely falling in with the elite agenda as befits all "credible" websites.:D

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Claude Badley

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When I received the email notification, it had changed the spelling into Hartman so I wondered why you would be aware of my rather stout female Jewish-background English language senior high teacher? Seems there are glitches in the email system as you do not use the word Hartman anywhere! I pay enough for my website host - having had real trouble sending attachments just some hours ago - so I guess the extra money I pay enables me to access the good stuff.
That episode is hilarious!! Sadly, the entire episode is hidden behind paywalls: I was able to watch it on HBO Max. But you can get the gist on youtube clips.

A young Traditional Catholic named Eric Cartman is harassing Kyle, who is Jewish. Cartman tells Kyle that he's afraid of the truth, and that if he wants to understand why Jews are hated, he needs to go see the "The Passion of the Christ" movie with Mel Gibson. So, Kyle goes to the theater, and is horrified to see the Jews killing Christ in the movie.
Kyle's subsequent view is often that of many Jews, since they, like the Christians think this BS is real history.
Kyle comes to the realization that the Jews need to apologize to the Christians for such cruel treatment, even if Jesus was only human. Kyle grovels to Cartman, admits his error, and begs forgiveness.

Cartman, feeling aggrandized, starts a Mel Gibson fan club and attracts many followers. He addresses the crowd dressed in his brown shirt with red armband. He tells them "we all know what needs to be done".

Lest anyone miss the point of Cartman's rant, a South Park fan has made a mash-up to drive it home.
But you've missed the bigger point here re the Bible and the poor Protestant understanding of Christianity (almost as bad for Catholics though).

Improbably clever and devious, Cartman gets the Christian chumps to utter anti-Jewish Nazi slogans in German, telling the morons that it's Aramaic - and the Christian chumps turned Christian soldiers* believe it of course.:D
Meanwhile, two other South Park kids think the movie sucks, and they hunt down Gibson himself and demand a refund. Gibson is revealed as kinky sado-masochist who desperately wants to be tortured. His neediness makes Gibson a laughing-stock, and Cartman's Christian followers realize that they've been played for fools.
Gibson was already a laughingstock for making the movie in the first place. He merely revealed that the whole Christian story was absurd - and he himself too stupid to realize this. This is why they make fun of him, having him "come to the rescue" unwittingly at the crucial moment.

And that Cartman is leading the Christian adults is truly Biblical: the end of Isaiah 11:6: "And a little child shall lead them".
On what planet is the "Revealed Truth" in this South Park episode, favorable to traditional Catholicism??
Answer: Kyle's reply as to concentrating on the LIFE of Jesus rather than HIS DEATH is the modern Protestant sentimentality - Jesus as the "sensitive new-age guy" so beloved of Leftist Christians and even many Evangelicals. More discriminating Catholics like EMJ realize that it is JC's death that is the real issue, not the fairy story of His life!
The episode does not address the more fundamental truth, that the New Testament tale is fiction, written for the explicit purpose of inciting Christians to hate Jews.
Of course not, such things could not be stated openly. But when listening to Kyle's words - and the stupidity of Christians who think German is Aramaic - you can see clearly the low intellectual horizon of modernized Prot-type Christianity, even compared to Catholicism.

Yours faithfully
Claude

*And this is why one could be both a Nazi and a Christian.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Confusing one's upbringing as predetermining the outcome.
Richard may know you better than you know yourself. How can you be so sure what psychic scars could remain at an unconscious level from such an upbringing?

Believing in Einstein means clinging to a dead-end alley for science...
Please repost in the Einstein thread and I will reply there.

It was Protestant Christianity that overthrew that position - ultimately to grant Jews equality and allowing them, eventually, to take over the Western economies, which mess we are now stuck in.
This is an anti-Semitic canard. It is not true that the Jews have taken over Western economies. There are still vast fortunes in Protestant and Catholic hands -- for example, the vast Bill Gates empire in computers and pharmaceuticals, giving him virtual control of the WHO; the Warren Buffet empire; the Koch Bros empire; need I go further? If you say that Christian Zionists (or, if you prefer, Judeo-Christians) have taken over, that would be closer to the truth. But, lumping it all together and blaming it on the Jews is just a misdirection.

EMJ is NOT an anti-Semite since that term refers to racial stigmatization of Jews, that Jews have some genetic DNA-based predisposition to usury, deceit etc. Rather, he is anti-Jewish in the traditional Christian sense...
You mean that the traditional Christian sense of being anti-Jewish, is not anti-Semitic? It's totally OK to believe that the Jews and their descendants are damned for all time because they murdered Jesus?

Only with the Jewish redefinition of anti-Semitism to cover anti-Israel and anti-Zionism does your criticism have any credibility...
Quite to the contrary, we are also critical of Israeli policies (especially with respect to Palestinians), we believe that Israel should be a modern multicultural democracy instead of a theocratic apartheid-based state, and we are highly critical of Zionism in any form, Christian or otherwise. Our position is very different from EMJ, who as you say is ultimately motivated by his Catholic theology.

When I received the email notification, it had changed the spelling into Hartman so I wondered why you would be aware of my rather stout female Jewish-background English language senior high teacher? Seems there are glitches in the email system as you do not use the word Hartman anywhere!
I was cleaning up my virtual desktop and closing windows, when I noticed that I had misspelled the character's name. So it was probably several hours after posting, when I went back and fixed the error. Meanwhile, the system had already sent the email notification containing the original. Perhaps it was synchronicity that enabled me to make the connection to your stout Jewish mentor? Or perhaps it was just a coincidence.

I pay enough for my website host...
You have a website?

More discriminating Catholics like EMJ realize that it is JC's death that is the real issue, not the fairy story of His life!
How is JC's death any less of a fairy story than his life? If EMJ thinks that JC was literally resurrected and came back to life on the third day, and appeared even to five hundred believers -- doesn't that make him more of a delusional fool, rather than a discriminating Catholic? But if EMJ relates to the story on a more spiritual level -- then how is Jesus's resurrection any more or less spiritually inspiring than Osiris, or the Jewish messiah that is yet to come?

Improbably clever and devious, Cartman gets the Christian chumps to utter anti-Jewish Nazi slogans in German, telling the morons that it's Aramaic - and the Christian chumps turned Christian soldiers* believe it of course.
But every viewer of the show immediately recognizes that these are anti-Jewish Nazi slogans in German. Nobody is really moronic enough to believe that this is Aramaic. That's why we have a good laugh at the Christian chumps' humiliating degradation into Nazism. The deeper joke is that Christians have ever been stupid enough to fall for the entire anti-Semitic ruse, in whatever guise.

Cartman gets the Christian chumps to utter anti-Jewish Nazi slogans in German, telling the morons that it's Aramaic - and the Christian chumps turned Christian soldiers* believe it of course.... And this is why one could be both a Nazi and a Christian.
You mean, they can be both Nazis and Christians because they're chumps? I'd say that only a chump could be a Fascist of any kind; and it also takes a pretty amazing level of credulity to take the Biblical tales literally -- especially when it comes to believing that the blood of Jesus is on the Jews and their children for all time, as per Matt. 27:25.
 

Richard Stanley

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In the years immediately after 9/11 I came to the conclusion that what was happening to America was the bringing down of America by its own elites. But why? The most likely scenario to me was that it was in the furtherance of the cause of Globalism. This meaning that the USA was but a disposable steppingstone to the next or perhaps last phase. This seemed too incredible to most, as it seemed more likely that the USA would dominate at the end.

As such, the following two RT videos discuss this, the first talking about the planned destruction analogized to the phased demolition of a building. However, this actually started with Reagan's adoption of Neoliberalism, and oops, Nixon's opening the door to China. But Reagan was the one where the jobs really started leaving the country. And every president since, Republican or Democrat, added on more demolition charges.

The second video is with Colonel Wilkerson, and he provides the answer near the end, after criticizing all that has gone on. The answer likely being a ... global solution. Hmmm

Create the demolition, provide the new structure? The first video briefly ponders who might be behind all of this without an answer. Well, we Postflavians know that Neoliberalism and the corresponding libertarian movement was sponsored by the Mont Pelerin Society run by the 'remnants' of European royalty.

Wilkerson insists that Trump is a blithering idiot, while if true then he is at least capable of following a script handed to him every day. And, as I have documented on the Trump thread, Trump's presidential persona is not his Trump Tower persona.

 

Claude Badley

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Well, well, Schul... er... Richard, you shouldn't really be posting that Wilkerson video...
The second video is with Colonel Wilkerson, and he provides the answer near the end, after criticizing all that has gone on. The answer likely being a ... global solution. Hmmm
...on this credible website! After all, you might yourself be sent to tolerance camp - and I would not be surprised at that either! After all, the camp was run by jerrys but I didn't see you there in your fat-man suit covered by a sergeant's uniform.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=death+camp+of+tolerance+south+park+video&docid=608015121361604465&mid=4B4D815AAEB0F98AFDE84B4D815AAEB0F98AFDE8&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Just like you didn't bother to get me banned - after having promised to do so!

As for the chickens coming home to roost in your next posting - that someone should be "self-educated with eyes wide open" suggests that the someone will need prolonged or fatal internment in the tolerance camp where all absurdities are tolerated: e.g. "nothing can travel faster than light" i.e. not being tolerant towards all sorts of popular prejudices will not be tolerated - the key to a 'credible' website!:p

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Richard Stanley

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Did Wilkerson say that the solution to the American Problem (my term) might be a Global one or not? After this I have no idea how to respond to your cryptic rumblings other than as a mortal I literally have no need to fear internment in a tolerance camp.

One key to a credible website is not to endlessly entertain drivel supporting Hitler and his Nazis with endless surface narrative and analysis, all the while being given a failed opportunity to support his Neofascism with endless repeated talking points, which is what you're trying to backdoor again.

I do not entertain notions that this is a credible website from the POV that there is very little that is mainstream about Postflavianism.

Jerry has his own reasons for wanting to retain your presence ... which is beyond me.

Thanks for NOT contributing usefully to this thread, albeit that you seem so triggered over responding so to Wilkerson's Globalist comment is interesting.
 

Claude Badley

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Fascist
The following is a very intelligent discussion about the topic of (Vatican approved) Agenda 21 in terms of this thread topic, especially considering that we are in late 2020. This lens can perhaps better help us to see what Trump, the fake poopulist, is really down to, and hence his close friendship with such as the Clintons and the Epstein web (e.g. the Barr CIA Deep State nexus). Trump's job, in the time frame, is to drive Chaos, and the issue over the police is one key dialectic that is being exploited, both sides being taken to extremes. We are presented with militarization and death squads (e.g. Los Angeles Sheriff's Department) versus the rhetoric, at least, of 'defunding', and now 'disarming'. All of which is to become somewhat moot under the emerging concept of AI policing and citizen policing (aka 'informing').
What is a rentier? A rentier is an investor who profits from property, his or her ownership of a piece of land for which he or she charges rent. Rent comprises a payment for a particular plots of land, of space, over particular periods of time. IOW the nature of space and time is integral to how a rentier, and his Big Brother, the financier, functions.

“Beware the scientific dictatorship” he says in the interview. So let me explain, (since all the episodes show that poor Schultzy doesn’t ever understand very much)!

It begins with the Marxist muddle called scientific socialism. Its leading modern promoter, Žižgoy Sklavik … oops… Slavoj Žižek explains how on page 3 of his new book A Left that Dares to Speak Its Name. So let us see what this left is actually saying.

Žiž said:
Communist interventions are needed because our fate is not yet decided – not in the simple sense that we have a choice, but in a more radical sense of choosing one’s own fate. According to the standard view, the past is fixed, what happened happened, it cannot be undone, and the future is open; it depends upon unpredictable contingencies.
This is the common-sense and genuinely scientific view, that chance, disorder, is fundamental in nature itself. This is not however the belief of modern science, of “scientific socialism”, of Einstein-based science [sic]. Rather modern science, a political agenda, teaches that everything is predetermined [from the Big Bang], hence:

Žiž said:
What we should propose here is a reversal of this standard view: the past is open to retroactive reinterpretations, while the future is closed since we live in a determinist universe. This doesn’t mean that we cannot change the future; it just means that, in order to change our future we should first (not “understand” but) change our past, reinterpret it in such a way that opens up toward a different future from the one implied by the predominant vision of the past.

Will there be a new world war? The answer can only be a paradoxical one. If there is to be a new war, it will be a necessary one. This is how history works – through weird reversals…
Hence for the Sklavgoys, everything is predetermined and the argument is merely over reinterpreting it – an empty mental exercise since politics becomes mere manipulation into believing in earthly predestination. Žižek’s perspective is exactly that of Big Brother in 1984!

1984 said:
Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.
He tells us that the future is predetermined and that we in the present are to merely interpret the past to project an imaginary benign future! So he certainly controls the present of the idiot-Left who adopt his ideas (including Antifa).

Žiž would no doubt approve Big Brother’s other words - in their essence, though not the specific details.

1984 said:
The Earth is the center of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it… We control reality because we control the mind. … 2 + 2 = 5
There are of course minor differences: for Einstein it is 2 + 2 = 2 (c + c = c) in order to explain why two light beams moving in opposite directions are only moving at speed c relative to one another!

The rentier thrives from the propaganda for such BS because it creates uncertainty and disempowerment in the believers and victims: from Žiž to Einstein to Trump-&-Biden, to the Vatican, to Bill Gates to Big Brother, this is the message of modernity, that ‘scientific socialism’ and science itself merely mean that the future is absolutely predetermined. Hence things like Agenda 21 cannot be criticized in any logical way whatsoever, because Sklavoy and Co. define what is logic and reason itself! A position backed by capitalism and its Leftist-socialist hangers on.

The best proof of the correctness of this post will of course be that the tolerance-camp commandant either removes this post entirely, or dumps it to the Einstein thread in the hope that no-one reads it - or bans me outright as the logical conclusion of believing in modern science's fundamental fraud, as part of the effort to keep the website credulous... ooops... credible.:D

Yours faithfully
Claude

PS: Note that the English word ‘slave’ derives, as does its German equivalent, from the ethnic term ‘Slav’. Given Žižek’s Big Brother prejudices, we can well understand the pejorative origin of the term!
 
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Richard Stanley

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What specifically in which video are you referring to 'rentiers'?
“Beware the scientific dictatorship” he says in the interview.
At 23:00 Skouras said Eisenhower said to: 'beware of the scientific dictatorship'. In any case, I would think that you would approve of the statement?

Otherwise, I would think that you'd be in huge favor of Agenda 21 since, when realized, it will be a Global fascist paradise for you. Probably will indeed have 1 Big Brother strongman to make you technically fulfilled.

You apparently have no fucking idea what I believe or don't believe about science, and thank you again for polluting this thread further. Yes, Jerry should move all this crap and/or ban you.
 
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Claude Badley

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Fascist
Definition of rentiers: "A class of people who rely largely on rent, pensions, or similar means for their income. For example, a landlord who agrees to rent out a house for a set amount each month for a year is a member of the rentier class. So is a pensioner living on a fixed income."
What specifically in which video are you referring to 'rentiers'? At 23:00 Skouras said Eisenhower said to: 'beware of the scientific dictatorship'. In any case, I would think that you would approve of the statement? Otherwise, I would think that you'd be in huge favor of Agenda 21 since, when realized, it will be a Global fascist paradise for you. Probably will indeed have 1 Big Brother strongman to make you technically fulfilled.

You apparently have no fucking idea what I believe or don't believe about science, and thank you again for polluting this thread further. Yes, Jerry should move all this crap and/or ban you.
Michael Hudson, quoted in the Four Horsemen video (12:20+), elsewhere deals with rentiers regularly. See his Wikipedia article. The Communitarians do not control landlordism, they are merely trying to avoid the capitalist implications for neofeudal restoration - being part of Agenda 21. In the video above Hudson speaks of real estate agents - rentiers if ever there were.:rolleyes:

Of course if you happen to believe that "Žižy with or without Excess"* promotes genuine science then there is nothing I could say. As for the PC commandant I cannot say either.:D

Similarly too with Agenda 21 which hides whoever are to be the leaders of the situation as it transcends national boundaries and makes no comment on the function of capitalism within it. Rather, Agenda 21 just wants to brainwash (see 19-20 mins in). Nevertheless, any new system will have to propagandize for itself - that is in the nature of humans anywhere. "Let it be" is no option for the future!

A true hierarchical system will have clear leadership and Georgist land rent, not the hidden agenda of the Agenda 21 types who hope to capitalize on COVID and climate change. As Koire says, Agenda 21 comprises optimistic buzz-words only.

Yours faithfully
Claude

*The parody reference here is to Stalin's tract after forcing collectivization on the rural areas of the Soviet Union: "Dizzy with success".
 
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