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Seeker

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I wonder if the High IQ Society "Mensa" would be (or was) considered an "Elite Organization", as one of its founders, the Australian Roland Berrill, had originally intended it to be "an aristocracy of the intellect", with "philosopher kings" advising governments. The other founder, Lancelot Ware, had worked at the Porton Down secret research establishment during WW2. However, Honorary Mensan President and controversial geneticist Sir Cyril Burt, who is believed to have carried on the work of the childless proto-geneticist Sir Francis Galton, half-cousin of Charles Darwin, claimed that he had formulated the original idea for Mensa in a radio broadcast that Berrill had listened to, and that Berrill had met Ware, with those two formally starting the organization at Oxford in 1946.
 
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Claude Badley

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True, hierarchicalism is a suitable term in many ways...
I suggested maybe aeons ago, that if Claude would just say "hierarchicalism" instead of "fascism", we might get along just fine. Or if he would just speak in English, "The Leadership Principal" sounds like it could be the title of a self-help book. [:cool:] And I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who are proud to follow Trumpism.
...but the problem is that a hierarchy can also indicate a fixed broken system - such as the Mandarins under the crumbling Manchu regime. Hence the term hierarchicalism also depersonalizes the issue and one can interpret it deterministically as an abstract notion demonstrating the inherently harmonious Spinozan universe, turning the blame onto stupid appointed leaders (Trump, Bojo, Macron etc) instead of upon the Judaeo-Christian hierarchy of financial elites.

This is why I am careful about using the term, since it is too readily appropriated by Judaeo-Christianity on behalf of its own hierarchy, especially given its clever exponents such as George Soros, funder of Antifa.

The term Fascism however, in its original form, points to Mussolini as the originator; he was disgusted at the egalitarian leveling of the socialists but couldn't express his feelings of opposition correctly, merely blurting out phrases of Nietzsche.

He became an ex-leftist, leaving the Socialists because this foolish man wanted to join the Western allies and grab territory from Germany. A foolish path for a foolish would-be Fuehrer (the first anti-Golem despite his Jewish girlfriend Carla Sarfatti) - though he never became leader of Italy in his own right, being deposed by the King as his regime crumbled after the US landings in Sicily!

After all his vicissitudes he became a German puppet, but governed the Salo republic justly, winning back supporters, which is why the Communists lynched him!

Ezra Pound, an American of impeccable English origin wrote approvingly of his ancestors and relatives there so was invited to England himself to meet the upper class there. He was horrified by them, particularly through WW1, and then horrified by the French too - so came to support Mussolini instead! His poetry does not inspire me but his understanding of philosophy does. He wrote profoundly (in his terse Axiomata):

Ezra Pound said:
Axiom #1: The intimate essence of the universe is not of the same nature as our own consciousness.:cool:
See:

https://philosophylibrary.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/axiomata-ezra-pound-1921/

I.e. Pound understands the genuine essence behind the otherwise ridiculous postmodern quest - the vital nature of difference, that the universe as a whole is different to individual consciousness. (Pound's definition of God in his axiomata is NOT Spinozan nor monotheistic).

The Spinozan in contrast, including Einsteinians and Antifa, thinks that all the universe comprises God and that his deterministic, including hierarchical, thinking is IDENTICAL to his imagined universe of a pre-established harmony. He knows in practice that it is not but regards these blemishes as trivial and remediable so defends the financial elite by supporting its appointed leaders.

Hence Pound is a progressive thinker, not someone subjected to the mob rule (democracy) promoted by the ruling financial elites and the existing hierarchs such as Gates and (until recently) their pleasure-meister and Gates' colleague Geoffrey Epstein.:D

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Claude Badley

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Dear Seeker,

I tend to agree agree that they do think along such lines...
I wonder if the High IQ Society "Mensa" would be (or was) considered an "Elite Organization", as one of its founders, the Australian Roland Berrill, had originally intended it to be "an aristocracy of the intellect", with "philosopher kings" advising governments. The first Honorary President was the controversial geneticist Sir Cyril Burt, who is believed to have carried on the work of the childless proto-geneticist Sir Francis Galton, half-cousin of Charles Darwin.
...but Mensa is a self-obsessed group of arrogant complacent elites, hence in consequence Mensa has little influence on the world - fortunately. (I was never a member so I cannot answer from personal experience, however).

Yet note that even Plato - traditionally called the 'First Fascist' as Jerry will probably tell us soon - had to reject his own thoughts of a genetic/racial basis for "philosopher kings", especially as the philosopher kings in his system were meant to lead the government, not merely advise it. This is why in Timaeus and the subsequent fragment Critias he was trying to concoct a history of his own for the divided Greeks in the wake of Athens' fall in the Peloponnesian War. And wartime Athens then closely resembles the USA now, hankering for war while its own citizens face starvation, the USA in the wake of repeated lockdowns which will hamper agricultural production and delivery to the cities! When Joe Atwill said this some months ago I though he was exaggerating for effect, but this is now very likely because food prices will quickly rise when deliveries are delayed and the food not grown due to lockdowns. Such a scenario is also facing Melbourne in Australia too, which is under severe lockdown for a disease that mainly kills the elderly!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Seeker

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Conspiracy theory about Mensa to give you even more of the giggles:

Back in 1946, a British psychologist named Cyril Burt suggested on the radio that there should be a club for people with high IQs. Like a social club, but where people who were at the tippity-top of society in the brains department could get together and chat without interference from dummies.
Apparently, forming a club for eggheads sounded like a great idea, because a few years later Mensa was founded, and Burt was named honorary president for his contributions to IQ testing. The only problem? Like Maggie Sanger, Burt was a eugenicist, meaning he believed intelligence was hereditary and that societies should keep the human race moving forward by encouraging the brightest of the bunch to breed.
This was in 1946, mind you, after the world had had its fill of another exclusive club called the Nazis.
Even after Burt was largely discredited for falsifying his research and eugenics as a movement fell out of favor, the whole "let's isolate the smarties" vibe still lingers in the Mensa air. For example, in 1980, known eugenicist Robert Klark Graham started his own genius sperm bank so that ladies could pick out certified genius baby-daddies. Where did Graham advertise his services for mommas? Mensa publications. Between 1980 and 1999, 217 babies were born under Graham's watch in what technically is one of the biggest eugenics projects since Nazi days.
So, 1999 wasn't that long ago, but still ... water under the bridge, right? Not quite. To this day, American Mensa has a special interest group devoted to eugenics. Presumably just in case anyone wants to get that "sterilizing the morons" ball rolling again.
MENSA is a veiled LEBENSBORN’s program and a prime recruiting ground for CIA-MONARCH/MK ULTRA “Whiz Kids.”

Ha! Ha! If one believes the above, perhaps not all Mensans are nerds playing "Dungeons and Dragons" in a neighborhood basement, just as all Masons are not having a boys' night out at their local lodge hall.

As far as having philosopher kings to lead the government, and not merely advise it, the actual honorary title of Sir Cyril Burt appeared to be "Mensa World President", so perhaps he was the "Plato" of the group.
 
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Claude Badley

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Aha, so I see that it's a policy question on Postflaviana - to agree with the elites :eek:in order to make the website "credible"...
I am not defending Gates at all. The reason I am refusing to concede on this, has to do with the credibility of this website. With so many powerful, solid reasons to question Gates's role as our czar of health care, why waste time on red herrings?
...and so labelling the uncovering of the toxic vaccine agenda with its "vaccinating everybody goal" as a mere "red herring". Otherwise I would be happy with your posting.

Had you told me privately about this policy I would have desisted in the interests of the American audience - since I did not want you shut down - but since you state it publicly, it reveals a doublethink attitude towards Gates. I.e. Postflaviana is not tackling the deeper issues honestly, not just Einstein's relativity but the elite agenda of disempowering and impoverishing people further thru elite-controlled Leftist activism - from the Democrats to Antifa, and of course Einstein, who showed his true (though not consistent) Leftist credentials when he defended Stalin's show trials, as in the original (1971) publication of the Born-Einstein Letters (#73 page 130), subsequently edited out without comment in the Millennial edition! It is online for now: see

https://archive.org/details/TheBornEinsteinLetters/page/n73/mode/2up

But I can understand Stalin's agenda there since he and the trials were needed to hold all the Leftist rabble together thru iron discipline and terror, irrelevant after 1991!:D

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Claude Badley

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Note carefully the meaning of the words attributed to her, representing what she wants.
In a short video discussing the revelations of an expelled CCP member, Cai Xia, she discusses Xi's delays in dealing with the Trumpelosi FauXi virus. Each of these 4 people have committed grevious sins of ommission and/or commission in creating this global chaos, leading to unprecedented distrust in previously trusted (albeit sometimes frequently misplaced) institutions.
'Democracy' and 'Rule of Law' merely mean respectively "rule by the rabble manipulated by financial elites" and "the rule of financiers according to their own laws."

Case closed. So if China collapses the financiers will wreck the place on the USA's behalf until a mighty new 'Fascistic' movement arises in what's left of China - even if only to protect the environment. As Nietzsche said: "Inequality of rights is the basis for any rights at all!" The destitute on the streets of LA, a wealthy part of a country under democracy for 200+ years, proves his point.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Claude Badley

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As usual, Jerry you fail to grasp the fundamentals...
Here we have a pretty good description of the old Catholic / Orthodox scam, which Badley just got finished telling us is such a superior system compared to Protestant "Judeo-Christianity". To wit:
Claude said:
And you [have to] ask why ordinary Christianity, whether Roman Catholic or Putin's Orthodox Russian Church, is a better option than Schofield-Bible-soaked Evangelical Protestantism (a.k.a. Judaeo-Christianity)???????
Self-contradictory much?
...which I just cannot believe is due to lack of intelligence on your part, so I find it difficult not to conclude that it is rather a deliberate evasion of the issue of the source of fundamental power in any society.

Any system that intends to survive will have to affirm sovereignty. Pluralism, not just that peddled by Protestant Evangelism, Jewish financiers and Jeremy Rifkin, corrodes and destroys sovereignty. Therefore the best thing after a nuclear war for the USA is a "Night of the Long Knives" to re-establish sovereignty against the financiers, an issue edited out in the West but something Russia and China are far more aware of, having both formerly fatally ceded their sovereignty to either Jewish elites (see Yuri Slezkine whom you formerly quoted) or various Western nations (in the wake of the Opium Wars) - and with global economic decline threatened always by their own financial elites who do not as yet have as much power as those in the Protestantism-sozzled West. So they are jealous of the Western counterparts and want the freedom that Western financiers enjoy!:p

Sovereignty cannot afford to be corroded by money - or by mass democracy (electoral or popular) for that matter - since the latter will only hand it over to private financiers. Franco knew this when he smashed the Freemasons, but the Freemasons' revenge I only realized after listening to Joe's podcast on Cuba. Jose Marti was a Freemason, just like Simon Bolivar and Jose de San Martin. Freemasonry was and is strong in Cuba, so in retrospect it was clearly they who supported Castro in order to thumb their noses at the Franco regime. Hence Che Guevara's bewilderment that Bolivians did not rally to him - yet like the Cuban regime (good luck to the Cubans!) he remains a darling for Freemasons and the Left, given his role in limiting wages* and supporting Einstein's relativity** as an issue solved once and for all.

Yours faithfully
Claude

* See his Economics and Politics in the Transition to Socialism p. 186 (ed. Carlos Tablada) where he writes re wage scales:
Che Guevara said:
The sum of the bonuses plus the base wage could not exceed the base wage of the next higher wage group.
This traps people in poverty by crushing their initiative, since a person less skilled but a hard worker is never rewarded for his hard work, but trapped with a wage less than the next wage-skill level up. Reading BS like this from the Left's daaaaaarling put me off Cuba and Communism massively.

**See paragraphs 7 & 8 in:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/guevara/1960/10/08.htm

You might think the two footnotes unrelated but remember that Che was won over by Stalin's works; see Jon Lee Anderson's biography of Che where Che supports bank robberies (pp. 329-330, Stalin did likewise in Georgia) and prefers the Stalin era (pp. 535-536) so logically I suppose he would have supported Stalin's show trials just like Einstein did (in the Born-Einstein Letters).:D
 
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Claude Badley

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[Moderator note: off topic digression from Cleopatra thread moved here.]

...what I find improbable in Ellis's claim is that a small kingdom like Edessa-falsely-called-Adiabene could aspire to overthrow both the Roman regime in Italy (as opposed to throwing Rome out of Judaea) and replace its Judaeo-Claudian emperor by someone with an odd ancestral tree involving BOTH Julius Caesar and Jews as well as Parthian nobility. (So stand by for flames from "Richard the Fiery" attacking neo-Nazi infiltration in the 1st century Middle East :))

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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So stand by for flames from "Richard the Fiery" attacking neo-Nazi infiltration in the 1st century Middle Eas
In the interests of harmony, my guess would be that Richard would dialogue with you quite willingly and capably on this topic, especially since you have avoided using that "F" word, and its meaning to you, in this posting, per his request. The following quote is not from "Izates", but from "Isaiah", "Come now, and let us reason together".
 

Richard Stanley

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So what I find improbable in Ellis's claim is that a small kingdom like Edessa-falsely-called-Adiabene could aspire to overthrow both the Roman regime in Italy (as opposed to throwing Rome out of Judaea) and replace its Judaeo-Claudian emperor by someone with an odd ancestral tree involving BOTH Julius Caesar and Jews as well as Parthian nobility. (So stand by for flames from "Richard the Fiery" attacking neo-Nazi infiltration in the 1st century Middle East :))
Yes, I do not appreciate your invocation of Fascism, even indirectly. The 'angry' emoticons do not do justice.

Lots of Sabeans running around in different directions like locusts with their Baptist heads chopped off. It's no wonder you're such a faithful yet confused Catholic Jewboy Claude.
 
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Richard Stanley

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This forum is NOT your Fascist Pharisee propaganda playpen where you can shit everywhere that you want.

"rule by the rabble manipulated by financial elites"
This is an oxymoron, which means that elites, financial or otherwise, are actually ruling. If Cai Xia was under the impression that the wider CCP demographic elite was running the show under democratic precepts she makes the same mistake that others make regarding their democracies.

The failure to prohibit elite manipulation is a separate issue of which Fascism has always been subject to, and of which there can inherently be no check upon.

More importantly, you (purposely) fail to understand the paradigm here in all regards. The destitute on the streets of LA has nothing to do with democracy and so proves nothing, especially if the elites have scripted it. If Jesus is their avatar, he said that the the poor would always be with us, didn't he? Why, because the system that he and you advocate defaults to this.
 

Jerry Russell

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Claude,

Thanks for the clarification that you are standing up for Fascism and the Fuhrerprinzip, and ultimately unwilling to put any lipstick on the pig whatsoever.

But -- now that it's clear that when you say "Judeo-Christian" you actually mean Protestant or Evangelical Fundamentalist, I think it would be much less confusing if you would just call those groups by their correct names.

The Christian hatred of the Jews is explicit in the New Testament and is a call for action whenever required. When a Christian prince fell into debt to Jewish moneylenders he would send in the devout to persecute and kill the Jews, if not the actual Jewish creditors. When unhappy soldiers thought about their activities afterwards - having raped women, killed crying children who saw their parents killed etc. - they could be reassured by the Clergy telling them that the Jews sufferings were well deserved and justified by God himself, since the Jews had lobbied for and effected the crucifixion of Jesus!
So you really are holding this up as a model of the sort of "leadership" you admire? The Christian prince maintains the leadership principle, and thus stands for national sovereignty. Raping women and killing crying children is OK in the service of Der Fuhrerprinzip. Call me evasive if you want, but it doesn't sound good to me.

As you point out, the actual moneylenders were seldom inconvenienced by these pogroms.

As for democracy in the West, the loss of sovereignty under pluralism renders the state vulnerable to financier-elite control - not the case for traditional elites and true Fascists who would rather regard the sovereignty of the state as primary!
No, traditional elites and Fascists see control of individual nations as a stepping-stone to their ultimate globalist aspirations of universal dominance. And they are only too happy to work with financier-elites towards that end. In fact, financier-elites, traditional elites and Fascists are one and the same.

This forum is NOT your Fascist Pharisee propaganda playpen where you can shit everywhere that you want.
Agreed. Any Fascist comments from Badley will be relentlessly moved to this thread from henceforth. And I'm only going to reply to his word salad if I see something worth my time to answer.

If Cai Xia was under the impression that the wider CCP demographic elite was running the show under democratic precepts she makes the same mistake that others make regarding their democracies.
The Cai Xia video was based on this article at The Guardian. The article says that Cai Xia describes Xi Jinping as a "mafia boss" and that "his power is unchecked". She says the CCP is "using epidemic prevention as an excuse to increase high-tech surveillance of people. They can imprison you for any little thing."

Which seems to be exactly the system Badley is advocating for. If indeed Xi Jinping's power is subject to any control whatsoever, either by Chinese financial elites, the CCP, or some sense of noblesse oblige towards the peasants -- Cai Xia doesn't see it. She predicts that democracy will emerge in China, sooner or later.
 

Claude Badley

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I had misled you on which book I had - it was Jesus King of Edessa, not King Jesus (the previous book) - so the Mandaean reference on p. 334 is not in the former. My apologies o Heraclitean fiery one by which I mean Heraclitus' aphorism that "fire will judge and convict all things", rather than his other mysterious aphorism "the thunderbolt steers all things."

Heraclitus was the opposite philosopher to Parmenides, the latter championed by Einstein, Sir Karl Popper and the Spinozans!

Obviously you are also correct that there were no neo-Nazis or plain Nazis in the 1st century Middle East - but I suspect Zionism has been inserted there by Ellis himself. Nevertheless, as you point out, I will have to get his other books, which I don't yet have time to read. Hence when you bring up Ellis's earlier works I am just gonna have to defer to your superior knowledge - and to Seeker's too!

Luckily too Carlos does not smoke at all, but he does know Mandaean traditions and beliefs and realizes that Mandaeism seems to have been founded in Edessa and was a major religious influence before the overthrow of Parthia about 224AD. The Mandaeans identified with the Parthian ruling family - and the legend about the boy-king (allegedly Thomas) in the Hymn of the Pearl from the Acts of Thomas going to the Labyrinth in Egypt has clear Mandaean echoes. So I always HAVE TO concur with some sort of Akhenaten-monotheistic influence.

Richard Stanley said:
Lots of Sabeans running around in different directions like locusts with their Baptist heads chopped off. It's no wonder you're such a faithful yet confused Catholic Jewboy Claude.
Guilty as charged! Why? Because I'd rather be halfwit Catholic (or Moslem) or a hypocritical Jewboy than an espouser or acolyte of Protestantism - because the Protestant is both a halfwit and a hypocrite, and so survives only in the sheltered workshop of Judaeo-Christian modernity, a workshop whose roof has caved in, with Evangelists telling us that this means the immanent return of Jesus.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Richard Stanley

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In the interests of harmony, my guess would be that Richard would dialogue with you quite willingly and capably on this topic, especially since you have avoided using that "F" word, and its meaning to you, in this posting, per his request. The following quote is not from "Izates", but from "Isaiah", "Come now, and let us reason together".
Let me be clearer. I not only object to the use of the word, unless it is to properly disparage it, and in the proper forum, I don't even want to obliquely have to deal with it being seemingly gratuitously, more propagandically, inserted into nearly every discussion on this forum. That the crypto-monarchist proponent of this Fascist Porn can only engage in circular casuistic arguments, and assert that proto-Christian Plato is the unassailable wonderful 'logical' font of all this circular justification for his gene based, elite organized crime Family does nothing for my desire to dialogue further with him on any matter whatsoever.

As far as I am concerned, he has long ill-spoken his piece in poor defenses of his Neo-Fascist thesis. All the while ignoring the critiques provided here. Now, he has even gone to the length of claiming that his beloved Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Nazis, but rather that his vaunted Nazis were the construction of the very Protestants that he hates so much.

It appears that the Sauline agenda is to repeat his lies as often and as wide as possible, and at the same time leave the impression that we lend credibility to his binary mind fuckery by allowing him to continue at this length.

None of his binary 'dialogues' deal with our POV in which 'democracies' are infected at their formation by the very vermin that he idolizes and master-bates into his Führerprinzip golem, thinking us his circle-jerks.

And then Jerry has to constantly clean it all up.
 
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Jerry Russell

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And then Jerry has to constantly clean it all up.
I did it this time. Next time, anything OT from Claude in any other thread is going to get summarily deleted, along with all off-topic replies. So don't waste any time answering any of the trolling remarks elsewhere.
 

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...we have to look beyond the West to principles that work - the infinite universe of Chinese philosophy, the Mandarinal testing system and an elective caste system (derived from the Indian prototype) which pays workers more for distasteful jobs (abattoir, sewer and garbage workers) are what future Fuehrers require, not rule by the rabble...
This is one of the more intriguing proposals from Claude's many posts. "Elective" means that workers would opt into their low caste position, rather than having it thrust upon them? So, workers who sign up for the extra pay would be giving up their political rights, whatever they might be? I can see that some people might find this appealing. Not only would the extra money be a major boost in itself, but also there would no longer be any point in watching pundits on TV, or debating with friends and family on Facebook. No need to waste money on MAGA hats. And, political campaigns would save money since they no longer would have to pay for mass media, but could concentrate their efforts on reaching out to the decision making class.

If a lower caste worker becomes unhappy with his or her situation in life, and comes to believe that the Baddist system needs to be abolished and the Leader should be deposed: then, he or she could opt out of the system and resume full political rights, and would be free also to seek some lower-paying intellectual job, such as to become a librarian? Would professional political agitator positions be available?

In the Mandarin system, this examination was to select civil servants for positions in the government bureaucracy. In the Baddist regime, would these meritorious individuals have any actual political power, or would they be mere functionaries and rubber stamps? How would the pay grade compare to the low caste sewage workers?

This will not however function without clear leadership (Fuehrerprinzip) overseeing the procedure...
So how is this Baddite leader supposed to get into power? A Baddist coup?
 

Claude Badley

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You've hit the jackpot here, Seeker, in identifying the source of conflict between Richard and I as the 'F' word. That you would suggest that I should use...
In the interests of harmony, my guess would be that Richard would dialogue with you quite willingly and capably on this topic, especially since you have avoided using that "F" word, and its meaning to you, in this posting, per his request. The following quote is not from "Izates", but from "Isaiah", "Come now, and let us reason together".
..."leader principle" rather than "Führerprinzip" I have to acknowledge, especially as I had earlier allowed the two phrases to mean the same thing. And I now think it my mistake to have done that.

In English there is no word derived from the German führen - to lead. However, German has the word 'Leiter' meaning 'leader', the two words obviously having the same derivation. There is much overlap in the words Führer and Leiter but the German word has a different meaning however - Heinrich Himmler was called the "Nationalleiter" (national leader) but the term is trivial in German, barely flattering his position. The verb leiten means "to lead, manage or conduct" whereas the reflexive of führen means "to behave oneself", indicating self-discipline, and so in non-reflexive usage means 'to lead' in a broader sense, as an actual commander, ruler, master or dictator, able to both create and uphold the law. The effective ruler is master over himself first of all, as Nietzsche would say.

To call someone the Leader of a country is commonplace - and even anarchists have leaders when actually doing something. A Führer however is qualitatively different - and it is sad that the English language's inherent blindness doesn't recognize this fundamental difference. The Führerprinzip essentially involves the concept of sovereignty, something a nation needs if it to escape external debt (owing money to foreign creditors) or, more importantly, internal debt (owing money to the financial elites, meaning Judaeo-Christianity today). Sovereignty, as I explained elsewhere from Rubinstein's work, is the opposite of pluralism, since pluralism corrodes a nation's sovereignty by dispersing power - dispersing it into the hands of the oligarchy, i.e. the financial elites such as that run by Judaeo-Christianity, and in the wings elsewhere, whether in ancient Rome or modern Russia and China too.
Richard Stanley said:
As far as I am concerned, he has long ill-spoken his piece in poor defenses of his Neo-Fascist thesis. All the while ignoring the critiques provided here. Now, he has even gone to the length of claiming that his beloved Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Nazis, but rather that his vaunted Nazis were the construction of the very Protestants that he hates so much.
Protestantism in particular has facilitated pluralism - with its sectarian breakups and encouragement of Jewish moneylending, as opposed to traditional Catholicism which had the safety valve of the death of Jesus in order to release themselves from debt by persecuting the Jews, so putting the latter in their place once more. This system was overthrown by Protestantism - but not in one go!

However, Richard's point above brings out a further complication. The Lutheran Church was not Judaeo-Christian, unlike the rest of Protestantism, and I have a pamphlet from the mid-1970s from the Lutherans emphasizing their anti-Zionism. In contrast, the mainstream Protestants, the Evangelists, are indeed Zionist, even if only on the sly, hence the other Protestants are indeed de facto Judaeo-Christians, whatever they might say.

As for Protestantism rather than Catholicism having more to do with the Nazis, it is clear from the historical record (e.g. by Prot. historian William Shirer) that Catholic Germans opposed the Nazis much more than Protestant (not just Lutheran) Germans. As for the Protestants in other countries, notably Britain but also the USA, their role in Nazism is indirect thru their support for starting WW1, as Docherty & MacGregor have shown (their work quoted here and with videos too).

Readers, including you Seeker, have to come to grasp with Ezra Pound's Axiomata No: 1, that "The intimate essence of the universe is not of the same nature as our own consciousness." This is the opposite to Spinoza's (& Einstein's) assertion that the universe itself is God, implying necessarily that each of us is but part of this God, including each of our consciousnesses. Only by understanding this do you realize that democracy is a sham because humans beings are not essentially the same underneath, hence one person cannot be substituted for another. This is why the fundamental principle of Fascism is simply: "together we are stronger." This does not mean that as the we group grows, that everyone can join and have an equal vote and equal authority in a democratic takeover of a movement!

Nevertheless, Jerry's reply in #156 is vital too so I will have to deal with that when the internet connection improves (very variable at present).

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Richard Stanley

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... so I will have to deal with that when the internet connection improves (very variable at present).
Our Xian cannibal sources in Fiji are reporting the same. It will be interesting to know if their problem clears up when yours does father.

Contrary to your skewed (divide and conquer) partisan interpretation of your Nazis' foundation, I have referenced sources that clearly demonstrate the more traditionalist (Caesaro-papist monarchists) Catholics were happily at the foundation as well as Lutherans, the latter who might mostly be considered useful idiots (e.g. the SA grunts). The Catholic Church ecclesia was gleeful when Hitler ascended to the Jewish messiahship in 1933 when they dragged out the ephod at the Trier Cathedral, and all the churches unfurled the Nazi swastika flags. While their Messiah was unable to attend, uber-Catholic Franz von Papen attended in his stead, negotiated the Vatican Concordat and attended the next and last showing of the ephod in 1959. The last time FvP was an official Papal Chamberlain or Camerlengo.

As you have admitted in the past, it was mostly the Nordic Germans who made up the earlier SA and who suffered more casualties in the war -- than the more Catholic southern Germans whom made up more of the SS modeled upon your Jesuit order (SJ > SS). If there were Protestant or Odinist Nazis escaping Germany, it was the Catholic Church who ran the ratlines. Like Bibi Netanyahu, you, and Eichmann, all were just following their orders.

As with you, the Protestants have always had their lingering crypto-papists, with front and back door entryists helping covertly orchestrate the unfolding Zionazi globalist drama. It is almost funny to watch your hyper-determined partisan focus, almost as if you had taken certain perverse psychological 'exercises' of the 'spirit'. But they should train you to not be so obvious, and give you a better clothing budget so you don't betray your real occupation.
 

Jerry Russell

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... führen means 'to lead' in a broader sense, as an actual commander, ruler, master or dictator, able to both create and uphold the law.... The Führerprinzip essentially involves the concept of sovereignty....
OK, so in English we have "The Sovereign Master Commander Dictator" as the job title, and "The Sovereign Master Commander Dictator Principal" for the philosophical concept. I think we could go with "King" or "Queen" or even "Fascist Warlord" and no one will be confused.

I will have to deal with that when the internet connection improves (very variable at present).
I'm curious if you're having any trouble with other sites aside from PF? Because I have just discovered & fixed an issue with our forum server. Perhaps the situation may improve.

Or have you been banned from every other discussion forum, and we're the only platform you have left?

Our Xian cannibal sources in Fiji are reporting the same. It will be interesting to know if their problem clears up when yours does father.... It is almost funny to watch your hyper-determined partisan focus, almost as if you had taken certain perverse psychological 'exercises' of the 'spirit'. But they should train you to not be so obvious, and give you a better clothing budget so you don't betray your real occupation.
What are you trying to say here, Richard? Since when are we getting reports from Xian cannibals in Fiji? What sort of psychological exercises of the spirit are you talking about? What is Claude's real occupation, and why did you call him 'father'?

Don't be shy, come right out and tell Claude what you really think!!
 
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Richard Stanley

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I'm saying that the Xians in Fiji celebrate the eucharist, and that they have had troubling access to the Internetz. I'm guessing that this cannibal-like experience might be spiritually altering to the psyche. And, that generally some fathers are not fathers, or supposed to be fathers, at least. Other than that I'm not sure what Claude's real occupation is, but I do know what his Catholic, monarchist obsession is.
 
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