Postlavians Beating a Dead Fuhrerprinzep

Claude Badley

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Good riposte, Jerry.
Putin's era is characterized by a resurgence of Russian Orthodoxy. See, for example, this article:

https://thebulletin.org/2019/06/blessing-the-holy-icbms-the-russian-orthodox-church-and-putin/

Russian Nuclear Orthodoxy: Religion, Politics, and Strategy (Stanford University Press, 2019) by Dmitry Adamsky, a professor at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya university in Israel, is a penetrating analysis of the growing influence of the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia’s nuclear world—both in the military and the scientific communities. This excellent scholarly work is well-researched and extensively documented. It shows how the Russian Orthodox Church has penetrated and integrated itself into the Russian Armed Forces and even some of the closed nuclear cities—to the point where priests bless new nuclear missiles. Indeed, to some extent, Russian Orthodox priests have taken over the role formerly held by political officers during the Communist period: They keep an eye on the spiritual purity of the troops, glorify the military, and ensure the reliability of the soldiers during combat. ....
However, Adamsky is a Western researcher and produces material for his masters. With the collapse of Communism - and the Left generally worldwide, including reformist parties - and Russia's alienation from its early 20th century love affair with Judaism (as Slezkine reveals) it is hardly surprising that Russian Christianity has resurfaced.
The state under Vladimir Putin has encouraged the rise of the Russian Orthodox Church but has drawn clear lines of authority to ensure that the church’s position in society does not exceed what is useful to the Kremlin and does not challenge state policies. Vladimir Putin has demonstrably identified his regime with the Russian Orthodox Church to such an extent that his policies appear to share certain features with Nicholas I’s doctrine of “Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality.” It would have been helpful if Adamsky had provided background to the important historical relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian state so that the reader could better understand the context of Adamsky’s superb analysis and his extensive narrative of how “… a formerly outcast religion became supported by the state and wormed its way into the most significant wing of one of the most powerful military organizations in the world… within a very short span of time.”

You see the implication too.
Which begs the question, whether Russian Orthodoxy can be seen as somehow distinct or preferable to "Judaeo Christianity". It seems to me that at a philosophical and theological level, the similarities are much more important than any differences. They claim to worship the same deities. And without looking deeply into the matter, how can we be sure whether or not the Russian Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches are linked by conspiratorial relationships at the top of their respective hierarchies?
The difference lies in the history of Catholicism and Orthodoxy. The two wings of Christianity split in 1054, only the West deferring to the Pope. Combatting Islam, Catholicism was then stabbed in the back by Protestantism which then tried to effect some sort of reconciliation with Orthodoxy.

Henry VIII, by declaring himself head of the Church of England, was following Orthodox principles, whereby the secular ruler appoints the Metropolitans and Bishops, as of course did the Tsar. Hence the church fell with the Tsar in WW1 - but then the Leninist regime also decayed and crumbled, returning to capitalism overtly in 1991, leading not to global peace but to "great power conflict" rather than resolving the ideological struggle - which was only over the flawed caricature philosophy of Communism.

The present situation of Christian recovery in Russia may well of course lead to war between the branches of Christianity with the outbreak of WW3, paralleling the situation between Wahabi-Sunni and Shiite Islam. The point however is that the revival of Christianity is merely due to the poor state of science and philosophy worldwide, where rubbish like Einstein's relativity and the Leftist idiocy of egalitarian democracy still rule the thoughts of the masses worldwide, whatever religion they may profess or grew up in. What is more important however is that the ideological manufacturers in our day (i.e. post-WW2) are primarily of Jewish background e.g. Einstein, Chomsky, Isaac Deutscher, Salinger, Peter Singer, Murray Gell-Mann, Karl Popper, Adorno, Marcuse, etc. etc. You only have to read the Jewish Review of Books (a copy of which I bought in San Diego in July) to see Judaeo-Christianity in its triumphalist Zionist arrogance e.g. cutesy caricatures of the major regular Jewish contributors, confident of forever dominating the dopey Evangelical ideologues who will dutifully urge on the grunts to invade and conquer Iran.

Surviving Russians will change after WW3 - just as the USA will, except that the latter will change more radically.

Yours faithfully
Claude Badley
 
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Jerry Russell

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The difference lies in the history of Catholicism and Orthodoxy. The two wings of Christianity split in 1054, only the West deferring to the Pope.
Yes, I agree there is a historical gulf. As a result, any cooperation between the two wings can only be covert, furtive and conspiratorial. Which isn't to say that it can't or doesn't happen.

the ideological manufacturers in our day (i.e. post-WW2) are primarily of Jewish background e.g. Einstein, Chomsky, Isaac Deutscher, Salinger, Peter Singer, Murray Gell-Mann, Karl Popper, Adorno, Marcuse, etc. etc.
I see... by "Judaeo-Christian" you mean "primarily Jewish"??

Surviving Russians will change after WW3 - just as the USA will, except that the latter will change more radically.
Yes, I can't dispute that the post WW3 world is likely to be a grim place for liberals.
 

Jerry Russell

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you are becoming complicit with the Judaeo-Christian elites
No, quite the contrary. You're the one who is here advocating for the Divine Right of Kings (aka der Fuhrerprinzep) and trying to restore a medieval caste system, not me.
 
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Claude Badley

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No, quite the contrary. You're the one who is here advocating for the Divine Right of Kings (aka der Fuhrerprinzep) and trying to restore a medieval caste system, not me.
Revealing to my surprise that you don't understand how Judaeo-Christianity works. It is an illicit combination of Judaism and Christianity, pasting over the stark opposition between the two religions. It is the religion of the financiers, who, meeting up as secret elites, preselect the candidates for leading political offices - hence the dumbcluck alternatives for leaders e.g. the Daffy Ducktator and Slumpy Joe, people inherently INCAPABLE of leading but irritating enough to manipulate the masses into bipolar conflict. In this way the Judaeo-Christian elites remain hidden - in complete contrast to Hitler or powerful Kings under feudalism, where the structures of power were open and honest compared to the mealy-mouthed democratic BS served up today about "us electors democratically electing our rulers" etc. ( Democracy of course being mere 'mob rule').

This ought to have been obvious to you Jerry!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Jerry Russell

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In this way the Judaeo-Christian elites remain hidden - in complete contrast to Hitler or powerful Kings under feudalism, where the structures of power were open and honest compared to the mealy-mouthed democratic BS served up today about "us electors democratically electing our rulers" etc.
But, Hitler and the Kings under feudalism were both manifestations of Judaeo-Christianity. Indeed Christianity has been nothing if not a Jewish syncretism since Day One. But, I see you don't deny that "der Fuhrerprinzep" and "Divine Right of Kings" represent the same concept.

Yes, US democracy is a fraud, haven't we mentioned that here?
 
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Claude Badley

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But, Hitler and the Kings under feudalism were both manifestations of Judaeo-Christianity.
Hitler was certainly manufactured through Judaeo-Christianity, in order to create a focus of hate, but Hitler himself did not want Jewish domination of the West, thus he himself was hardly Judaeo-Christian. The kings under feudalism were an entirely different matter; they were NOT manifestations of Judaeo-Christianity since this hypocritical syncretism did not exist then;. Proof: Jews were not an essential part of Feudalism. Jews for example did not enter England significantly until William the Conqueror, being kicked out again in 1290, though a few remained behind hidden in backwaters but without any control over England's finances.

Rather, before Protestantism you had the Catholic Church with its invention of the slain Jesus, slain thru the machinations of the Jews. Feudalism worked for a thousand years before Protestantism, Judaeo-Christianity only arising with Calvinism when Jews and business-oriented capitalist Christians, i.e. Calvinists and followers of Huldreich Zwingli, took political control thru their hands off religion, allowing Jews to compete with Christians as moneylenders.
Indeed Christianity has been nothing if not a Jewish syncretism since Day One.
But the initial Christianity had to stigmatize Judaism lest it take complete control, hence any 'syncretism' has changed fundamentally over time, Jews beginning to dominate Protestantism since the Anglican Church and the Glorious Revolution of 1688 - but now coming to rule in their own right thru banking and media control, supported by the vast ignorant herds of Protestant Evangelists (and remember that the USA has less social welfare than other countries so that its masses cling more tightly to Jesus as the government ensures that they have no other means of support).

I.e. such big questions cannot be blanketed over with words like 'syncretism'.
But, I see you don't deny that "der Fuhrerprinzep" and "Divine Right of Kings" represent the same concept.
The latter is more primitive, overthrown by emerging capitalist Christians like Cromwell and American Revolutionaries. So while you admit that...
Yes, US democracy is a fraud, haven't we mentioned that here?
...you have no way to combat it when you merely invoke "democratic socialism" in opposition to it. The words "democratic socialism" are merely a sellout to the existing situation, just like your affirmation of Einstein's BS when I demonstrated his fraudulent misrepresentation of Armand Fizeau's experiments i.e. an initial shock then a dogged determination to cling to the BS that he (or democratic socialists) peddle(s) come what way. I.e. the road to nowhere but capitulation to a system designed to outsmart us all from the beginning, because you share their fundamental levelling (i.e. egalitarian-democratic) prejudices.

Yours faithfully
Claude

* I mean the real deal here, not the Bill-&-Monica Knocking Shop nor the Geoffrey-&-Ghislane non-Jewish-teenage-girl recruitment agency.
 
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Richard Stanley

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It's unfortunate that Claude is so obsessed with his ideology, ala Jehovah's Witness, that he can only stick to talking points, wrapping himself up like a pretzel. Claude you're now making us look bad by putting up with your Papo-Caesarian-Nazi idiocy. It's bad enough that someone engages in selective facts, but you baldly misrepresent facts. To wit, only a radical Catholic and/or a Nazi would claim that Christianity isn't tied at the hip to Judaism. It was created that way, for a reason. This is why your Nazi heroes wanted the Vatican to endorse Positive Christianity shorn of its deep links to Judaism.

Thus, your lame argument about Jews and the Norman Conquest is reductionism at its worst, ignoring the far wider scope of the Abrahamic tableau, and that Jews built Christianity along with the emperors. As such, I have to say that your repeated attempts to ignore our central tenets regarding history and religion here at Postflaviana makes me believe you are an agenda driven cuckolder. And you wonder why you are a deadender here.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Claude you're now making us look bad by putting up with your Papo-Caesarian-Nazi idiocy.
Agreed, and I'm moving all this off-topic material to the "Why Fascism is a Really Bad Idea" thread. But I find myself wondering if "Judaeo-Christianity" isn't a useful concept? That is, up until ~World War II, Christians were explicitly taught to hate Jews, and vice versa. Now Christians and Jews are being asked to work together to defeat the wicked Muslims.

Also, since Claude admits that the "Divine Right of Kings" is a primitive concept that has been overthrown, I am back to asking how "der Fuhrerprinzep" is any different.
 
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Claude Badley

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[Copied from Rifkin thread...]

Happily Jerry, I agree with your first part...
Claude, I agree that there's a lot of wildly optimistic word salad in this presentation, with very little substance.

Wind farms are best at very large scale, solar requires panel locations with sunny southern exposure, and both are very capital intensive. We don't know what the costs are going to be when the windmills & solar panels (and batteries) need to be built themselves with renewable energy. Wind and solar aren't zero marginal cost, any more than information on YouTube. If somehow fossil fuels get phased out in the future, and there's no nuclear replacement, we are going to find ourselves making do with much lower primary energy supplies.
...so I just reduce the size of the text. :cool:
Methane from cows is an issue with massive industrial feedlots, but not so much with sustainable grazing.
Grazing cattle is the normal way in Australia. The methane production by ricefields is very great too - but methane has a half-life of <10 years in the Earth's atmosphere. Arguments for vegetarianism based on that are merely tendentious.
"Horizontal" and "vertical" structures are always competing, but there's no reason to think current trends are horizontal.
Politically, I would infer that 'horizontal' means egalitarian democratic procedures for industry but my interpretation might be quite wrong and very different from what you intend.
I'm not sure why you blame Jews alone for pluralism.
Why? Because while pluralism is also upheld by other elites, it provides the ideological justification allowing Jewish control of large economies despite Jews being a minority in such host countries. As Marx said "the Christians have become Jews" by which he actually meant Protestants, and among them particularly the Evangelicals with their love for Israel and Jews above the chumps who profess their own Christian sectarianism!!!! From the Colliers Encyclopaedia dictionary I paraphrase the definition re pluralism as a political movement.

"pluralism is a political theory denying the concept of sovereignty and [so] emphasises the importance of organizations and groups within the state."

Rubinstein explains the significance of pluralism in "The Left, the Right and the Jews" (1982), where he contrasts "three models of the nature of power in modern society...", the elitist option obviously implying some form of what you would label 'Fascism'.
Rubinstein said:
the pluralist, the elitist and the Marxist. The pluralists contend that political power has become increasingly fragmented and diffused in Western society. They perceive democratic societies as intricately balanced between competing interest groups of all kinds so that no single interest group can predominate. However, the elitists argue the opposite: in all societies there must be a small group which rules and a vast majority which does not and cannot. (p. 43)

... the rise of Western Jewry to unparalleled affluence and high status has led to the near-disappearance of a Jewish proletariat of any size: indeed, the Jews may become the first ethnic group in history without a working class of any size. This latter phenomenon has had two significant consequences. It has rendered obsolete (and rarely heard) the type of anti-semitism which has it basis in fears of the swamping of the native population by a limitless horde of Yiddish-speaking aliens, and it has made Marxism and other radical doctrines irrelevant to the socio-economic bases of Western Jewry, and increasing unattractive to most Jews. (p. 51)

... since the 1950s has Western Jewry as a whole risen into the upper-middle class, and the Jewish proletariat transformed itself into a near-universal Jewish bourgeoisie. (p. 51)
The "Yiddish-speaking aliens" actually refers to the Jews that fled Poland once Polish "aristocratic democracy" had disintegrated in the 18th century, Bruno Bauer having revealed that at the time, 50% of Europe's Jews lived in Poland.

As for democracy in the West, the loss of sovereignty under pluralism renders the state vulnerable to financier-elite control - not the case for traditional elites and true Fascists who would rather regard the sovereignty of the state as primary!*
Rubinstein said:
...there is nothing either improper or mysterious about 'Jewish influence' in today's world: we live in democracies, and Jews, like any other group, have a perfect right to lobby for any goals they wish. The aims of most Jewish lobbying are, moreover, unusually limited and visible, centering around the maintenance of Israel. (p. 50)
And Einstein's teachings are part-&-parcel of this mass manipulation via a government controlled by well-funded lobbyists.

The loss of sovereignty in Western countries probably means the end of Australia since when (not if) my country, in response to the USA's call, sends troops to defend Israel and attack Moslem countries, Australia can expect a military response from Malaysia and Indonesia, which, after the collapse of the Evangelist-sozzled USA, will mean the invasion and partition of Australia by the victorious forces, as other Asian nations join in with them for a slice of Australian territorial pie! (Necessary too, militarily and politically, in order to prevent a subsequent US rise to global hegemony via its English-speaking allies).

And you complain when I identify the pernicious Judaeo-Christian control over the Western countries????

And you ask why ordinary Christianity, whether Roman Catholic or Putin's Orthodox Russian Church, is a better option than Schofield-Bible-soaked Evangelical Protestantism (a.k.a. Judaeo-Christianity)???????
Unlike Einstein's revolution, Rifkin's is just nonsense?
No! Both are sods from the same lump of BS as they preach the entropy-as-decay in a finite universe scenario, Rifkin** but an updated version, a pluralist demagoguery to manipulate the ignorant mob, the demos, so as to create the illusion that the demos can and do exercise kratos, i.e. that rulership termed demo-cracy.

Hence the idiot majority who think that the alternatives to the Daffy Duckmeister embodied in Slumpy Joe Biden or Bernie (Sanders-&/or-Madoff) somehow comprise a genuine and meaningful choice.:rolleyes:

Yours faithfully
Claude

*And Mussolini sure held to that view. Where Lenin wanted "everything within the party, nothing outside the party" and policed his state with the Cheka whose members were >60% of Jewish background, Mussolini the ex-Socialist leader wanted "everything within the state, nothing outside the state" and had a Jewish girlfriend (Clara Sarfatti), only later breaking with her and adopting many of Hitler's Nuremburg Laws! (Or I am violating too many PC principles for you to feel comfortable with?????)

**No surprise then that Rifkin is of Jewish background, like his deceased Australian financier namesake Rene Rifkin! See Jeremy Rifkin's Wikipedia entry showing that he is descended from Russian Jews who migrated to Texas - where the egos, the cattle and the BS is always bigger, yeeee-haaaa!
 
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Claude Badley

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It's unfortunate that Claude is so obsessed with his ideology, ala Jehovah's Witness, that he can only stick to talking points, wrapping himself up like a pretzel. Claude you're now making us look bad by putting up with your Papo-Caesarian-Nazi idiocy. It's bad enough that someone engages in selective facts, but you baldly misrepresent facts. To wit, only a radical Catholic and/or a Nazi would claim that Christianity isn't tied at the hip to Judaism.
Catholicism was created by the Roman elites to control the moneylenders, the Jews, because the Roman elites could not trust some among themselves with this power. Therefore they invented the Jesus story to control the Jews to prevent them dominating Rome in their own right!
It was created that way, for a reason. This is why your Nazi heroes wanted the Vatican to endorse Positive Christianity shorn of its deep links to Judaism.
Like Protestants, the Nazis didn't understand how Christianity was concocted in the first place. What you fail to grasp is that Protestantism is MORE tied at the hip to Judaism than Catholicism is! In Germany after WW1, Lutheranism basically collapsed - especially as Germany had been baited by Protestantism i.e. Anglo-America, into WW1. The only opposition to the Nazis in Germany in a religious sense was Catholicism as William Shirer, a Protestant, admits.

The Nazis, or the more Christian-inclined of them, naively thought they could cleanse the Church (RC or Prot) of its 'Judaism' and the Jews, since they did not understand the hidden moneylender role of Judaism in Christianity of all sorts. But what are you really attacking here? My deprecation of democratic levelling? You have NOT said that however.:)
Thus, your lame argument about Jews and the Norman Conquest is reductionism at its worst,
A lame argument??? It is true nevertheless! Feudalism functioned in England before 1066 and in many other parts of Europe BEFORE there was any significant Jewish influence there - including kings like Athelstane, Canute, Edward the Confessor etc. etc.. Hence Feudalism could be established not only without Jews but even without Christianity - as occurred in Japan for example, whose pre-modern culture historians concur in being essential Feudal, just like Europe, due to high or regular rainfall, rendering large-scale irrigation and flood control unnecessary.
ignoring the far wider scope of the Abrahamic tableau, and that Jews built Christianity along with the emperors.
I.e. the "Abrahamic tableau" did not extend as far you think - though it has extended its octopus arms since 1066 since it wants to dominate the whole world thru Judaeo-Christianity, hence the approaching US-fuelled war with China since it, backed by Christian Russia, is the prime opposition to the West. I.e. the "Abrahamic tableau" did NOT create Feudalism, which latter was assisted by Christianity, not in any way by Judaism except as that religion appears in Christian texts!
As such, I have to say that your repeated attempts to ignore our central tenets regarding history and religion here at Postflaviana makes me believe you are an agenda driven cuckolder. And you wonder why you are a deadender here.
In other words, your central tenets are wrong if you consider Judaeo-Christianity an invention of the Roman Empire from the collapse of the Roman Republic! Leading Romans in the 1st century created Christianity with elite Jewish compliance - NOT Judaeo-Christianity. Certainly Jewish moneylenders profited from this Roman Empire institution - though this became more difficult after Constantine when Christianity took religious power in its own right. But this hardly made poor or even rich Jews very happy, so they were always contriving to get around the system and always complaining about victimization, which I can sympathize with due to my own contempt for Christianity. Hence there were always few Jews in Italy, Jews migrating to more tolerant regions like Greece, Spain, France and Germany - this before 1066 when Jews spread still further.

Judaeo-Christianity is a later invention, only latent for a thousand years*, but arising with Protestantism where Calvinists were interested in business and money-making because they believed that these comprised "good works" in the Christian sense, whereas Luther believed in salvation by "faith alone." This is why Jews have the leading role in Judaeo-Christianity today, because the Prot. Evangelicals have not merely ceded power but willingly handed it over to them, as Rubinstein has made abundantly clear.

Indeed Richard, after having just viewed your excellent video on Bill Gates - especially the Epstein connection - I now wonder whether not just PC Principal but you too have already been microchipped by the Gates Foundation! :eek:

How anyone (not yourself) could NOT have a critical stance towards Gates on vaccines escapes me!

Yours faithfully
Richard

*It peeps out among the Lollards & John Wyckliffe (1330-1394) in England who attacked the notion of a papacy. However there were no open Jews in England then (since they were driven out in 1290) so it appears as an independent movement; its ideas helped lead to Protestantism, which with Luther began as an internal Christian movement - the difference being that Jews were long established in Germany but until then firmly controlled by Catholicism, not bloody Judaeo-Christanity!
 
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Claude Badley

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Agreed, and I'm moving all this off-topic material to the "Why Fascism is a Really Bad Idea" thread. But I find myself wondering if "Judaeo-Christianity" isn't a useful concept?
I'd hope you would think it a very useful concept, since above I show Richard that it is quite different to Catholic or pre-Protestant Christianity of other types e.g. Orthodoxy.
That is, up until ~World War II, Christians were explicitly taught to hate Jews, and vice versa. Now Christians and Jews are being asked to work together to defeat the wicked Muslims.
It ended in Britain in 1933 when Hitler came to power; suddenly Jewish jokes disappeared from the theatre and nightclubs - due to the powerful Jewish influence in Britain, as Orwell (Essays, Journalism & Letters vol. 3 p. 336 in a piece titled "Antisemitism in Britain") reveals. I.e. though no one would say it explicitly, only a minority really believed Christianity anymore - an atheistic world was gradually emerging. (Jewish culture however, tolerates atheism far more than Christianity does!)

The Christian hatred of the Jews is explicit in the New Testament and is a call for action whenever required. When a Christian prince fell into debt to Jewish moneylenders he would send in the devout to persecute and kill the Jews, if not the actual Jewish creditors. When unhappy soldiers thought about their activities afterwards - having raped women, killed crying children who saw their parents killed etc. - they could be reassured by the Clergy telling them that the Jews sufferings were well deserved and justified by God himself, since the Jews had lobbied for and effected the crucifixion of Jesus! :D
Also, since Claude admits that the "Divine Right of Kings" is a primitive concept that has been overthrown, I am back to asking how "der Fuhrerprinzip" is any different.
From memory, I think you said yourself (or did I read it elsewhere???) that the Divine Right of Kings was asserted more in later times, as capitalist businessmen and Catholic authority began growing in opposition to monarchs!

The Fuehrerprinzip - its opposite the egalitarian democratic levelling so pumped by the Soros foundation and Antifa - is the recognition that some people understand the issues better than others do, and thus many of these others will look for a leader who expresses this better understanding and can therefore better act upon it. People are not equal in their emotional makeup and thus democracy is readily manipulated and subverted by the clever financial elites who hide in the background. No solution or even recognition for this fatal disorder of mankind is provided by democracy since it refuses to concede that this disorder exists!

The philosophical basis of the Fuehrerprinzip is the understanding that nature itself is DISORDERED. There is causality but NO overall order, no God in the sky to whom we can pray for help - but in our emerging atheist era, a substitute for God had to be found in the West, hence the opposite philosophy peddled by the MSM today. Comic Fuehrers abound - Musso, Hitler, Trump etc. but as human understanding increases, the need for the Fuehrerprinzip will be seen by more people, especially given the failure of Parliamentary politics (not just that of the Westminster variety with Banksy's 'Devolved Parliament'). The real problem was finding the principles needed for effective Fuehrers. Musso's state-worship and Hitler's racism were inadequate - especially in that we now understand the origin of Christianity in the Roman elites' distrust of itself in matters of money! So we have to look beyond the West to principles that work - the infinite universe of Chinese philosophy, the Mandarinal testing system and an elective caste system (derived from the Indian prototype) which pays workers more for distasteful jobs (abattoir, sewer and garbage workers) are what future Fuehrers require, not rule by the rabble as the opposite philosophy wants (see next paragraph).

The philosophical basis of the egalitarian democratic levelling is the notion of a pre-established harmony, of determinism, that everything, the whole universe, has an inner harmony (as exposed to explicit invocation of deities or religions) even though the wider situation may appear chaotic. The first philosopher to peddle this deterministic atheism clearly was Bento Spinoza - who was kicked out of the Jewish Community in Holland for his atheistic beliefs. Spinoza thought that the universe itself was God - his ideas embodying pantheism and a stricter form of deism, but NOT a personal god. His ideas drown us today, through the nonsense of Einstein and the Big Bang. These ideas create a fundamental stupidity and credulity in people - so hide the financial elites who run the system from behind. Such ideas you will find helpful if you go out proselytizing for Slumpy Joe for example (though I do think you would stoop that low) since these ideas appeal to the naive and credulous, establishing a vicious cycle as the next generation is miseducated likewise! A vicious cycle because the modern democratic system creates and can only create the naive, the credulous and the hordes of scrawny beggars (now appearing in Australia too) that Marx called the "Reserve Army of Unemployed".

Another analogy from Jewish stories.* Fascism is the anti-Golem - trying to do evil, it leads to good in that people begin to understand its underlying authentic search for authentic principles for human government. We need them because democratic government is failing, the environment and energy crisis are rampant, and all the while Antifa calls the shots like "defund the police"!o_O

Yours faithfully
Claude Badley

*The Golem, a monster trying clumsily to do good, only created evil disaster.
 
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Richard Stanley

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Claude, your rhetoric and obsessive cause has found the wrong audience and you're wasting both your and our time here. That you would even conceive of a concept that accidentally does good by trying to do evil is really fucked up.

I've unsuccessfully tried to pull your head out of your ass and I see no hope for a change in that disposition. For example, the "modern democratic system" is an illusion. In America is started as a republic for the sake of the rich elite males, and generally the fake democracy is just the same. It is Rome on the Potomac, your notion of Jews or not. As you told Miss Kitty, Judaism is a social construct, a human constructed dialectical artifice from before Rome was a twinkle in the wolf's tits. From an ontological perspective it is Jacob and Esau, part of one dualistic construct and people like you, including Jews, wrap yourselves in pretzel logic trying to make golem/antigolem workarounds all so that you can keep the underlying false dialectic intact.

As such, your arguments might make sense to people with more conventional views of revealed history, but not to me. Catholic authority that grows in opposition to monarchy is no longer Catholic, or it's only part of some 'Catholic' scheme, like pretending to align with American polity (biding their time). As always, you are counter-Postflavian.

Please, no more!!
 

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The philosophical basis of the Fuehrerprinzip...
This leads to a possibly interesting bit of research. (Interesting to me, anyhow.)

The term "Fuhrerprinzip" was invented by Count Hermann Keyserling, who was also the founder of an institution called the "School of Wisdom". They are still in existence, at least as of 2017 in the virtual world. As their website explains:

https://schoolofwisdom.com/about/

Keyserling believed that the old policy of militarism was dead. Military states were wrong and so was War. Count Keyserling instead argued that the world’s only hope lay in the adoption of international basic rights and principles. In connection with his political writings, he promoted a type of aristocratic rule inspired by Plato’s Republic. Count Keysering was the first to coin the term Führerprinzip, for leadership principle. He thought that certain “gifted individuals” were “born to rule” on the basis of Social Darwinism. It was part of his attempt to embody the classic ideas of Plato’s republic. Under Hermann’s implementation the Gold Leaders were a new type of aristocrat drawn mainly from the successful business class. Political scientists would later classify him as another elitist, not appreciating the philosophic basis. His political writing were always a minor part of his writings, which were primarily devoted to spiritual topics.Then in the late 1920s the National Socialist party started to gain in popularity. The Nazis then stole and perverted Herman Keyserling’s idea of Fuhrer to mean an exalted dictator above the law. Keyserling reacted by speaking out even more vehemently in opposition to Hitler and the Nazis. Although conservative by nature he vehemently rejected all racism.
The Nazis responded with what Keyserling called a campaign of vilification against him and the School of Wisdom. The Count kept on writing and speaking out. When Hitler came to power the Nazi government revoked Herman’s citizenship because he was an immigrant from Estonia. The Nazis also revoked the citizenship of his two sons, even though they were born in Darmstadt and even though they were the great grandsons of Bismarck. The Count kept writing and speaking out. Hitler then closed the School entirely and exiled the Keyerlings to virtual house arrest in northern Germany. The two Keyserling sons were drafted into the Army. Herman and Maria were isolated and impoverished. Herman’s health deteriorated in the poor conditions. The School of Wisdom was over. It’s symbol, the open angle standing for inclusivity, was defeated by the Swastica.
So this idea of the "Fuhrerprinzip" is more like the classic narrative of the Golem of Prague, a monster created to do good, but that eventually went on a "murderous rampage", in this case destroying its own creator.

A humorous article at Daily Kos pointed out (also in 2017) that "Trumpism" is a related concept:

It’s no secret that Trump’s supporters are very fickle in their political positions. Here are just a few typical examples:
1. Free trade. They used to be for it, now they’re against it. Why? Because Trump said so.
2. NATO. They used to be for it, now they’re against it. Why? Because Trump said so.
3. Marital fidelity. They used to think it was essential for a leader, now they think it just doesn’t matter. Why? Trump’s example.
4. Respect for authorities. They used to idolize John McCain, George W Bush and Mitt Romney. Now they see them as losers. They used to look up to institutions like the FBI, the CIA, the military intelligence agencies, the Homeland Security Department, etc., now they think all those agencies are conspiring together I support of a godless liberal new world order. Why? Trump, Trump, and more Trump.
There are numerous other examples.
In other words, they are willing to give up just about any position they hold if it differs from that of their leader, Donald J. Trump. The Great Orange Leader has become the be all and end all of their worldview because they see him as the embodiment of the highest aspirations of the American people. Every thought and every moral scruple must surrender to the light of Trump.
In Germany, this leadership principle was called Führerprinzip.

But this would be the corrupted Nazi version of the concept, not the pure original Golem invented by Keyserling.

And, does this have anything to do with causality or determinism? Historically, the School of Wisdom doesn't mention any connection.

Out of the class or caste of elite, how are specific individuals selected for advancement in the hierarchy? If Keyserling had a solution to this crucial problem, the Wisdom School article doesn't say. And if Badley has a proposal, he still hasn't shared.

Please, no more!!
Give him a little more rope to hang himself? I am finding this rather amusing.
 

Richard Stanley

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Give him a little more rope to hang himself? I am finding this rather amusing.
You're just trying to trump me Jerry.

Out of the class or caste of elite, how are specific individuals selected for advancement in the hierarchy? If Keyserling had a solution to this crucial problem, the Wisdom School article doesn't say. And if Badley has a proposal, he still hasn't shared.
From what you posted, it zounds to me that the likely Badlien Führerprinzip would be ... Bill Gates, Elon Musk, or Jeff Bezos. But, where would Space Jesus fit in?
 

Jerry Russell

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When a Christian prince fell into debt to Jewish moneylenders he would send in the devout to persecute and kill the Jews, if not the actual Jewish creditors. When unhappy soldiers thought about their activities afterwards - having raped women, killed crying children who saw their parents killed etc. - they could be reassured by the Clergy telling them that the Jews sufferings were well deserved and justified by God himself, since the Jews had lobbied for and effected the crucifixion of Jesus!
Here we have a pretty good description of the old Catholic / Orthodox scam, which Badley just got finished telling us is such a superior system compared to Protestant "Judeo-Christianity". To wit:

And you ask why ordinary Christianity, whether Roman Catholic or Putin's Orthodox Russian Church, is a better option than Schofield-Bible-soaked Evangelical Protestantism (a.k.a. Judaeo-Christianity)???????
Self-contradictory much?
 

Seeker

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In other words, they are willing to give up just about any position they hold if it differs from that of their leader, Donald J. Trump. The Great Orange Leader has become the be all and end all of their worldview because they see him as the embodiment of the highest aspirations of the American people. Every thought and every moral scruple must surrender to the light of Trump.In Germany, this leadership principle was called Führerprinzip.
But this would be the corrupted Nazi version of the concept, not the pure original Golem invented by Keyserling.
Gentlemen, maybe, just maybe, we can all find some common ground here, if we remember what was said, centuries before the concepts of "Fuhrerprinzip" and "Trumpism" were formulated. I believe that this is part of the basic premise of our "Postflavian" findings:

“What seems to me white, I will believe black if the hierarchical Church so defines.”

― St. Ignatius of Loyola
 
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Claude Badley

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Fascist
No more from me - but Nietzsche saw the future in 1880 in the Notes to his Thus Spoke Zarathustra - found in the old Oscar Levy translation though I cannot find it elsewhere. Nietzsche draws the clear implications about the future now that God is dead, and faces it bravely and honestly, unlike those who would flee back to Judaeo-Christian hypocrisy, pretending to believe in a God they already know has failed!
Claude, your rhetoric and obsessive cause has found the wrong audience and you're wasting both your and our time here. That you would even conceive of a concept that accidentally does good by trying to do evil is really fucked up. ...
As always, you are counter-Postflavian.

Please, no more!!
Nietzsche said:
Hitherto his [Zarathustra's] doctrines had been directed only at the ruling caste of the future. These lords of the Earth must now take the place of God, and must create for themselves the profound and absolute confidence of those they rule. Their new holiness, their renunciation of happiness and ease, must be their first principle. To the lowest they grant the heirloom of happiness, not to themselves. They deliver the physiologically botched by teaching them the doctrine of “swift death.” [clearly with Antifa in mind!] They offer religions and philosophical systems to each according to his rank.
Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Jerry Russell

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Gentlemen, maybe, just maybe, we can all find some common ground here, if we remember what was said...
I suggested maybe aeons ago, that if Claude would just say "hierarchicalism" instead of "fascism", we might get along just fine. Or if he would just speak in English, "The Leadership Principal" sounds like it could be the title of a self-help book. And I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who are proud to follow Trumpism.
 

Claude Badley

Registered Guest
Fascist
Very good, Seeker, as the Wikipedia article is exactly what I meant.
The examination also included calligraphy and historical traditions irrelevant for government, but these tests were actually used to weed out peasants who might otherwise pass the exams. Ultimately they could not stop the collapse of the dynasty - but what they did do right was select the most eager, committed and knowledgeable. Now a rogue can pass such exams in the future elective caste system, but as you can see from Nietzsche in #138 a system has to be designed to separate money (material wealth) from power, and a future Mandarinal system will be part of this.

This will not however function without clear leadership (Fuehrerprinzip) overseeing the procedure - as even Orwell saw when the Party in 1984 did not discriminate against its members on ethnic grounds. In the West anarchism and democracy are idolized - but in order to hide the financial elites where wealth and power are inextricably combined - and the overt leaders (Trump, Bojo, Macron) are little more than figureheads. This is NOT true for Xie Jie Ping nor Putin, though both are severely threatened by emerging financial elites!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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