Postlavians Beating a Dead Fuhrerprinzep

Jerry Russell

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Yes, Jerry should move all this crap and/or ban you.
Moved. Badley's agenda is simply to push his fascist scheme, using any hook he can find. I don't see where this digression has anything to do with the original post. It doesn't have anything to do with Einstein either, except as a starting point for anti-Semitic ranting.

Well, well, Schul... er... Richard, you shouldn't really be posting that Wilkerson video......on this credible website! After all, you might yourself be sent to tolerance camp - and I would not be surprised at that either!
Ironic that Badley the fascist accuses us of running an internment camp. Projecting much, Claude? In good time, I'll come back to this thread and delete the gratuitous insults.

A true hierarchical system will have clear leadership and Georgist land rent...
Please explain why a Fascist strongman at the head of a rentier capitalist elite, would institute Georgist land rent? Wouldn't this be undermining his support base?
 

Richard Stanley

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Please explain why a Fascist strongman at the head of a rentier capitalist elite, would institute Georgist land rent? Wouldn't this be undermining his support base?
Also Jerry, let's suppose that one of Badley's fascist leaders decided to impose Georgism (a form of socialist 'leveling'), the next fascist can come along and replace it with something completely different. This is the inherent nature of fascism, it's arbitrariness, not only from one leader to the next but internally to one Man (sic - there can inherently be no such thing as a woman fascist leader, per the fascist dogma, or maybe there can be a transsexual one?).
 

Claude Badley

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This seems to be an acknowledgment that Fascism understands the fundamental disorder of nature...
There is no accident or randomness that all of your fascist heroes ended up aligning with Rome sooner or later, despite superficial rhetoric to the contrary. ...
...unlike Marxists, Anarchists and Liberal Democracy (esp. Freemasonry) which preach the inner harmony of the universe.

You have only revealed that you either don't know what the Crusades were about or that you are lying, or both. Clue: the Templars, at least, did not kill the Nasari Ismailis, but rather the opposite. Supposedly such a marked expert on the 'Sabeans' would gnow such a matter.
The ordinary crusaders were not Templars. As the crusades continued you had people like Emperor Frederick II who wanted peace with Islam, not continued Christian war! With Judaeo-Christianity, the financial elites are winning over corrupt Arab leaders right now e.g. the elite sheikhs of the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain - leading to mass disempowerment of Arabs, just like what has happened to the poor in California etc.

Still, hiding in my loft in Fiji, I have some relative protection from the nuclear fallout as Fiji is in the Southern Hemisphere.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Jerry Russell

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Fascism understands the fundamental disorder of nature...unlike Marxists, Anarchists and Liberal Democracy (esp. Freemasonry) which preach the inner harmony of the universe.
Don't you know that the universe is both fundamentally disordered, and also innately harmonious? This Mandelbrot chaotic fractal zoom illustrates the harmony in disorder. Claude, you need to stop it with this authoritarian urge to put political philosophers into pigeonholes.

 

Claude Badley

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You think you can have your cake and eat it too...
Don't you know that the universe is both fundamentally disordered, and also innately harmonious? This Mandelbrot chaotic fractal zoom illustrates the harmony in disorder. Claude, you need to stop it with this authoritarian urge to put political philosophers into pigeonholes.
...which means that you are becoming or have become a willing tool of the Judaeo-Christian elites whose leaders well understand that their deterministic notions dovetail with acausality, since the two seemingly opposite notions are two sides of one coin - the coin of determinism & passivity foisted upon the masses, and for which they have to pay rent, just as they do for the dollars they use (the debt explosion in the West).

Your Mandebrot example excellently illustrates your point* - but ONLY as mathematics, since the imaginary number plane, on which the Mandebrot set is projected, is exactly that - the infinite complexity unfolded by mathematical equations. Only in mathematics does this inner harmony in disorder occur - as your video illustrates so beautifully since the intricate patterns go on and on into infinitely tiny realms of the 2-D complex number plane. Even more important, it shows that you accept infinite divisibility in mathematics, but you will not accept the implications of infinite divisibility in matter, space and time, since infinite divisibility in nature (not maths) nullifies determinism in favor of disorder (as the primary feature of nature) and thus the need for the Fuehrerprinzip in the larger scale social realm. (Hence the modern hankering for a finite universe, for indivisible quarks, and an indivisible linear measure termed the 'Planck length' - all of which are BS).

Thus to mistake or confuse mathematical "inner harmony" with the disorder in nature itself is a fundamental categorical error on your part - and the part of modern science generally.** The universe has no inner harmony - so to pretend that the universe is BOTH fundamentally disordered AND innately harmonious is not only nonsensical but deceitful and self-deluding. You are basically claiming what the modern atheist Daniel Dennett does - compatibilism: the claim that determinism and free will are compatible and one-and-the-same. (This is why modernity hates Martin Heidegger, because he saw this manipulative trick used in so much philosophy - but he couldn't find the way out so slumped back into 'existentialist' drivel.) Such notions as compatibilism deny the human ability to think creatively or to understand anything since they confuse the genuine mysteries of nature with mathematical mysticism - so are beloved by liberals and the Left as their primary tools of manipulation under declining capitalism.:eek:

Liberal democracy and the Left wear ideological blinkers and now you demand that I wear them too!:D

So no, I will not follow your manipulative demand to "stop it with this authoritarian urge to put political philosophers into pigeonholes" because understanding the essential disorder in nature (not to be confused with deterministic chaos) is the key to understanding both science and our societal decline, especially Western decline: and thus the various philosophers have to be assessed as to what their understanding of this issue amounts to!

To adopt your modernist edict is to accept all Western authority - not just Einstein's - uncritically. Your stance is thus anti-intellectual and anti-scientific as it denies any genuine understanding of nature, merely replacing objective understanding with absurdity and subjectivism.

In fact, of course, you have made this statement merely because you realize that the issue I have brought up about liberalism, capitalism and the Left all believing in a defective ideology as to a hidden deterministic "inner harmony" is unanswerable. I.e. you cannot debate the issue because you see, inwardly, that my position is correct. Hence you have to demand silence on the issue because you realize that only philosophies of authoritarian rule - which you label 'Fascist' - can ever successfully challenge Judaeo-Christian ideological domination.:cool:

Hence, sadly, your website will get nowhere since you want - and want me :( - to share the prejudices of the common herd. So as the crisis grows, no doubt Gates & Co., becoming ever more desperate, will offer you money to help maintain the BS-status quo here. (However, despite what you might think, I am not going to condemn you for accepting such money, since you have to live somehow thru these horrific times!)

Yours faithfully
Claude Badley

*Benoit Mandebrot actually discovered this intimate complex-number play from using a computer to calculate complex number values and plot them on the number plane, using different hues for different values - the pattern emerging on the computer screen as a surprise to him and others. This occurred in the late 1970s or later; I had already studied such maths in high school (1972-3), no-one then having any inkling as to the pattern of non-integer results of such mapping.

**There was one American of English origin, who, having graduated from US universities, was invited to England by sympathetic relatives and others, impressed by his early works. He arrived there and soon came to see what the English elites were really like - greedy, hypocritical and manipulative, all very evident due to World War One being perpetrated at that time. He fled to France post-WW1 but found the same mentality among the elites. Only in Italy did he find a different attitude under Mussolini, despite the regime's all-too-manifest stupidities.

His name: Ezra Pound. He saw that there was NO inner harmony in the physical world, i.e. his Axiomata axiom #1:

Ezra Pound said:
The intimate essence of the universe is not of the same nature as our own consciousness.
I.e. difference is fundamental in the universe - and thus there is no inner harmony of mind and matter. And when Pound writes of 'God' he includes polytheistic notions too so is no monotheist, in this way revealing the hypocritical monist humbug on which the West is built.

Hence Pound understood that elective affinities are not genetic or linguistic-cultural ones as he rejected his English heritage in both senses. Note too that the US itself did this once, after the 1812 war in which the British Navy burnt down the White House. Unable to hit back with army or navy, the US Congress voted to replace the English language with German - but were defeated from ratification by the umlauts. Had they kept to their decision it would have prevented World War One a century later (which is not to say that a crooked world domination would NOT have emerged from other sources and alliances - as not only Eric Cartman would tell you;)).
 
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Claude Badley

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Thank you for this one on the Renaissance too, Richard, especially as...
In any case, the following is an interesting discussion of the manipulation of Culture in regards to what we have been taught to think about the Renaissance. The same can be said to have happened regarding the burning of the Library of Alexandria, whether we accept the old story or the new.
...I can remember seeing the beginning of it on TV once but could not stay for the rest. That northern countries also contributed to the Renaissance is commonly ignored - given that this was a rebirth for Rome but something new for northern countries, especially those never under the Roman Empire. This involves more than art too, since Lucretius' De Rerum Naturae, though a Latin Epicurean work from the 1st century BC, was actually found as a complete text in Fulda, Germany, the neat copying of this atheistic text by Poggio popularizing his work in the Renaissance and setting the standard for future investigation in the philosophy of science.

What a contrast to the BS we have today - e.g. The Oxford Handbook on the Philosophy of Time (2011) ed. Craig Callender, whose 23 contributors over 678 pages all befuddle our human understanding, even unto promoting time machines as credible science! The end of Western civilization approacheth and the crooks and morons in charge just prattle on indulgently, their rapture in mathematical 'beauty' overwhelming their concerns for anything or anyone else. Perhaps they have a time machine to escape the Earth just in time as the N-weapons fall!* :D:D:D

Yours faithfully
Claude

*Therefore, Richard, don't take advantage of the learned naivete of you-know-who by claiming that you have purchased a ticket on the time machine with your life savings! (I.e. instead buy two tickets and offer to sell one to him at half-price:p)!
 
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Richard Stanley

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The end of Western civilization approacheth and the crooks and morons in charge just prattle on indulgently, their rapture in mathematical 'beauty' overwhelming their concerns for anything or anyone else. Perhaps they have a time machine to escape the Earth just in time as the N-weapons fall!*
The Alpha and Omega of the End and Beginning of Time? Escape to Planet Pella?

As for such as the reason for Cultural Degradation and the End of Time: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/the-dark-knight-of-the-soul.2665/post-17064

As such, this is what I wrote in an email to a friend that is having problems coping these days:

In general, it is almost impossible for me to talk to anyone about what is really going on, because everyone is locked tight into their separate reality bubbles. The fear about what is going on around us is locking in their belief systems which is their only source of comfort.
 

Jerry Russell

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I thought about opening a new thread dedicated to Cultural Marxism, but in the end decided this can easily be under this thread. And besides placing it here is hopefully a disincentive to launching digressions into Fascism or Hierarchicalism.
Didn't work. We seem to have digressed. I'm only uncertain whether to move this to the Fascism thread, or the Einstein thread.

Your Mandebrot example excellently illustrates your point*
Yes, that was the goal, to illustrate the point. But as you go on to say...

Thus to mistake or confuse mathematical "inner harmony" with the disorder in nature itself is a fundamental categorical error on your part - and the part of modern science generally.
Or in other words, most modern philosophers, be they Marxist, Fascist or anywhere in between, are likely to see both inner harmony and disorder in nature. So why should I have to debate this?

... philosophies of authoritarian rule - which you label 'Fascist' ,,,
Hey, don't blame me for the label. How many times have I asked you to at least use respectable euphemisms, instead of continually dragging us back to a discussion of fascists and Der Fuhrerprinzep?

What a contrast to the BS we have today - e.g. The Oxford Handbook on the Philosophy of Time (2011) ed. Craig Callender, whose 23 contributors over 678 pages all befuddle our human understanding, even unto promoting time machines as credible science!
I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the complete book is available as a pdf download here:

http://c-73-152-89-20.hsd1.va.comcast.net:8080/get/pdf/The Oxford Handbook of Philosophy of Time - Craig Callender_8488.pdf

The article "Time Travel and Time Machines" by Smeenk & Wuthrich is at p. 430. My naive reading is that they are arguing that time travel is not logically ruled out by paradoxes. Furthermore, they claim that Einstein's general theory of relativity is consistent with the existence of "an abundant variety of possible universes" including some where time travel could be implemented. But what I don't see is any claim that the existence of such universes has ever been demonstrated.

Claude, you've often argued that faster-than-light travel would be a boost to the human spirit, and would open up new vistas for civilization. So why wouldn't time travel be a similarly beneficial thing, if indeed it's possible?
 

Claude Badley

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The Mandelbrot & Julia sets indicate harmony with infinite divisibility...
Yes, that was the goal, to illustrate the point. But as you go on to say...
...but only in mathematics.

So when I wrote that: 'Thus to mistake or confuse mathematical "inner harmony" with the disorder in nature itself is a fundamental categorical error on your part - and the part of modern science generally.'... you merely reply.
Or in other words, most modern philosophers, be they Marxist, Fascist or anywhere in between, are likely to see both inner harmony and disorder in nature. So why should I have to debate this?
This reason it has to be debated is because the harmony and the fundamental disorder in nature are NOT the same thing, because physical reality is infinitely divided such that the harmony is only partial, while disorder is the overall mix of everything. There is of course partial order - otherwise our brains could not function - but to identify our brain function with the universe itself - as pantheists like Einstein do, is a fundamental error in thinking, one that Ezra Pound woke up to!

This is of fundamental political importance! Why? Because individuals think differently so organize into different groups, "together we are stronger" is the fundamental principle for human organization - and not just Fascism.
Hey, don't blame me for the label. How many times have I asked you to at least use respectable euphemisms, instead of continually dragging us back to a discussion of fascists and Der Fuhrerprinzep?
You have already explained why I don't care for 'respectable' euphemisms in the quote above - because people interpret the words in the anarchist-democratic matter, using it to justify their anarchist hankerings that "we must become more equal".

Words like 'disorder' and 'harmony' are too easily manipulated and confused so I have to spell out the differences - let alone words like 'hierarchical' and 'authoritarian' etc. The other way to do it is to write of freedom (i.e. chance) and necessity and affirm that neither is fundamental. Marxists goof it up completely by claiming that necessity is fundamental and chance superficial (i.e. merely human ignorance) but they have failed completely. Liberal democracy, more cunning e.g. Sir Karl Popper, churns up the same BS about necessity - adding in acausality - and so was able to hoodwink the masses with notions of eternal progress, rather than realizing that disorder in nature is fundamental. We have now reached the point where the masses and elites alike* have given up on notions of eternal progress - and which is why we are heading towards WW3.

And so it is the fundamental disorder in nature that gives the right for some to rule over others. The Judaeo-Christian financiers teach us universal harmony solely in order to befuddle us, ruling us by deceit and fraud. They don't want to hear of human-made global warming because they know it cannot be fixed up under capitalism. Democracy i.e. mob-rule in the most literal and clear sense, doesn't understand this and is indeed incapable of doing so, hence democracy is merely a tool of FINANCE capitalism to ensure its ongoing rule.
I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the complete book is available as a pdf download here:

http://c-73-152-89-20.hsd1.va.comcast.net:8080/get/pdf/The Oxford Handbook of Philosophy of Time - Craig Callender_8488.pdf

The article "Time Travel and Time Machines" by Smeenk & Wuthrich is at p. 430. My naive reading is that they are arguing that time travel is not logically ruled out by paradoxes. Furthermore, they claim that Einstein's general theory of relativity is consistent with the existence of "an abundant variety of possible universes" including some where time travel could be implemented. But what I don't see is any claim that the existence of such universes has ever been demonstrated.
Why does that not surprise me? Because it represents the BS they want to feed the masses with - i.e. academic lies and deceit as peddled by the philosophy of science today (and I have just recently had a gutful of one of these professsional people infiltrating a Palestinian lobby group that I am part of).
Claude, you've often argued that faster-than-light travel would be a boost to the human spirit, and would open up new vistas for civilization. So why wouldn't time travel be a similarly beneficial thing, if indeed it's possible?
Because it is NOT possible (except for our everyday experience of "time flowing forward" as Newton said) and thus dreaming that time travel is possible serves only to distract and manipulate people, which is why it is so prevalent in serious fiction today - not just send-ups like Red Dwarf.

When I tell some people that, they react hurtfully, like a child who is told that Santa Claus doesn't actually exist, after having being taught such BS earlier in life!:rolleyes: Surely you aren't one of these people, Jerry?

The reason for the impossibility of time travel is that matter, space and time are ontologically separate beings, their relationship being prepositional i.e. matter is in space which in turn is in time. There is no such thing as spacetime, this being theoretical schlock concocted by Einstein with General Relativity, a theory based upon bunk, and preaching bunk. The separation of matter, space and time is the only possible materialist way to avoid logical paradoxes - even though modern materialism is defined as "matter alone is fundamental", a false notion peddled by liberal democrat and Marxist alike. Only amongst those you would label fascists do you get some better understanding e.g. the mathematical aeronautical theoretical physicist and Nazi Party member Wilhelm Mueller (who died only in 1968 just after I had first read of him).

See too the General Science Journal...

https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research Papers/View/8389

...which outlines where Einstein's manipulative claims for general relativity (GR) came from and how the supposed proofs of GR are actually due to very different phenomena. When you follow it you will see how GR has been established upon ignorance and presumption - and not upon factual evidence.

So instead of whingeing about Fascism, take a look at life under Finance Capitalism compared to antebellum slavery in the USA. The Black slaves could not be overly oppressed because they were the productive labor force. This is totally opposite to the lower orders under Finance Capitalism: they are controlled by welfare payments and totally unproductive so the Neo-Liberals, in control of government, want to wipe them out once and for all. Those who support 'Black Lives Matter' for example, don't seem to realize that the present situation for the poor is far worse than under pre-Civil War slavery!!!!

Therefore, keep reading about Ezra Pound and see how his understanding is sadly lacking among the masses today - due to financier elite control of course. :cool:

Yours faithfully
Claude

*Consider Israeli Jews today; most are Zionist and hence sick of the Palestinian issue and only wish to expel and/or exterminate the Palestinians when the opportunity arises i.e. a massive global conflict which will distract attention from Palestine.
 
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Jerry Russell

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I'm only uncertain whether to move this to the Fascism thread, or the Einstein thread.
As usual, it appears that the "scientific" discussion is just a pretext for the pursuit of the Fascist agenda, so I'm moving it here.

There is of course partial order - otherwise our brains could not function...
So once again you're admitting that there is order and harmony in the universe... and that it is this aspect which are brains have evolved to exploit.

...disorder in nature is fundamental.
Perhaps so. But isn't the aspect of order and harmony also fundamental? That is, "forming a necessary base or core, of central importance"? What a ridiculous waste of time to argue over whether "order" or "disorder" is more fundamental to the nature of the universe, when both aspects are so obviously abundant?

And so it is the fundamental disorder in nature that gives the right for some to rule over others.
I don't see the logic here. Nobody is denying that human society has inherently hierarchical aspects. But, if the problem is "disorder", then shouldn't we rely on human self-organizing capabilities at every hierarchical level to defeat this disorder? Why concentrate all authority, responsibility and power at the top of the pyramid?

The Fascist ruler is a disordered human being, not fundamentally better than any other, and very possibly worse.

The separation of matter, space and time is the only possible materialist way to avoid logical paradoxes...
On the contrary, I understand that the concept of spacetime was invented to resolve paradoxes and strange, unexpected experimental results.

See too the General Science Journal...
So you've taken my advice to find a more suitable outlet for your scientific writing, eh? Good for you! I fear that anything to do with general relativity is above my pay grade & education level. But I'll take a look as time permits.

Those who support 'Black Lives Matter' for example, don't seem to realize that the present situation for the poor is far worse than under pre-Civil War slavery!!!!
Institutionalized slavery could involve evils such as the slave ships supplying the New World from Africa, with humans packed like sardines under filthy conditions with little or nothing to eat, leading to fatality rates as much as 30% during a journey of one or two months.

But who is arguing which is worse, slavery or modern poverty? Claude, are you saying that BLM should be demanding that blacks should enslave themselves to giant corporations in order to improve their condition?
 
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Claude Badley

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There is of course partial order - otherwise our brains could not function...
So once again you're admitting that there is order and harmony in the universe... and that it is this aspect which are brains have evolved to exploit.
No. That is a one-sided answer. Our brains have equally evolved to exploit disorder - a fact that should be obvious. Evolution itself is based upon disorder - otherwise it would merely be an unrolling of a predetermined plan (i.e. the sort of thing Einstein wants us all to believe in order to render you passive and accepting of the financial elite agenda so that we just die impoverished in the street).

...disorder in nature is fundamental.
Perhaps so. But isn't the aspect of order and harmony also fundamental? That is, "forming a necessary base or core, of central importance"?
No, you cannot have it both ways Jerry. This is what the modern Marxists did, privileging necessity (order) over chance (disorder) - and that is why they collapsed.
What a ridiculous waste of time to argue over whether "order" or "disorder" is more fundamental to the nature of the universe, when both aspects are so obviously abundant?
And this is why your argument is wrong as this issue is of fundamental important in both physics and politics.

Einstein claims that everything is fully ordered - hence democracy (leading to Jewish world rule as not only the Nazis will tell you, but also hypocritical Protestant rule) leading to mass impoverishment via the Frankfurt School.

Rather, when one realizes that disorder is fundamental, one has to find others who think alike and can rise up to combat the religious cranks, modern Marxists, leftists and capitalists alike who preach a pre-established harmony where no political effort is needed, since the universe itself is supposed to guarantee a good democratic outcome (through its influence on the minds of the masses voting democratically).

This is why Fascism (Hierarchicalism and the Fuehrerprinzip) will arise again and again - because, they understand that the world is fundamentally disordered and that some people understand this better than others. Your denial of this point implies that you REFUSE the clear underlying logic.

In fact I'm very surprised at your intransigence - given the new evidence on the Younger Dryas catastrophe being due to a meteor striking the Ice Sheet over Saginaw Bay, showing that mankind has suffered overwhelming disorder in the form of disasters before - and will so again, but this time nuclear war guaranteed by Judaeo-Christianity which seems to think that space-Jesus (as Richard would say) will return just in time!
I don't see the logic here. Nobody is denying that human society has inherently hierarchical aspects. But, if the problem is "disorder", then shouldn't we rely on human self-organizing capabilities at every hierarchical level to defeat this disorder? Why concentrate all authority, responsibility and power at the top of the pyramid?
We have to control and utilize the disorder, since it CANNOT be absolutely defeated, because disorder lies at the deepest levels (this notion denied by Parmenides and his doctrine of the plenum).

The highest power is that which has to judge others, i.e. the law courts have to be backed by clear political power, otherwise they are run by financiers. Modern capitalism controls the courts - and under the "rule of law" the masses have fallen into abject poverty, worse than slavery, because they are no longer even producers!
The Fascist ruler is a disordered human being, not fundamentally better than any other, and very possibly worse.
The word Fuehrer - sadly lacking in the English language - is from the German word "fuehren" usually translated as "to lead" but the German also has the word Leiter, meaning leader, but Fuehrer has a deeper meaning and one of these is from "sich fuehren" - 'to lead oneself' meaning that the Fuehrer has self-discipline first of all and is admired for that fact (Hitler more than Mussolini here). Even George Orwell could see this - that Hitler wasn't taken in by mere hedonism i.e. his personality was exactly the opposite to that encouraged by the Cultural Marxist Clown College (the Frankfurt School).
On the contrary, I understand that the concept of spacetime was invented to resolve paradoxes and strange, unexpected experimental results.
Hardly - though pro-Einstein websites no doubt preach such BS!
So you've taken my advice to find a more suitable outlet for your scientific writing, eh? Good for you! I fear that anything to do with general relativity is above my pay grade & education level. But I'll take a look as time permits.

Institutionalized slavery could involve evils such as the slave ships supplying the New World from Africa, with humans packed like sardines under filthy conditions with little or nothing to eat, leading to fatality rates as much as 30% during a journey of one or two months.
But once ashore the survivors had to work, and this protected them as producers, so they were allowed to reproduce* - even abundantly - which is more than we can say for the underclass now rising in numbers in the West and reliant on unemployment benefits and compulsory vaccines.:eek:

But who is arguing which is worse, slavery or modern poverty? Claude, are you saying that BLM should be demanding that blacks should enslave themselves to giant corporations in order to improve their condition?
Modern poverty means that the growing percentage of victims are no longer producers - they are castoffs headed for extermination thru bureaucracy but have yet to realize it; they are not wiped out by fascist street gangs. The giant corporations need to be curbed and controlled, and only hierarchy, caste and Fuehrers i.e those with plenipotentiary power in severe crises, can ever control and subjugate the capitalist Judaeo-Christian elites - which is why they HATE Fascism so much, because it can cripple them and take over. The Left in contrast has proven useless at best,** (since it does NOT want actual political power or makes a mess of it when it does get power) - and counterproductive otherwise as we find with the Zio-controlled Antifa and the George Soros (Open Society) controlled BLM.

Yours faithfully
Claude

*Not so in Australia where blackbirded Islanders were forced out back to the Solomon Islands by the White Australian Policy from Federation in 1901 unless they had married a White or Aborigine (many were pushed overboard to drown en route).

**Back in 2017 I attended an Australian Communist Party anniversary of the Russian Revolution. There was even a young Russian communist there. When I asked him about Putin, he, a Leninist, merely treated him as a capitalist like Obama or Trump. A waste of time then to have him romper-stomped since ordinary Russians will no go back to Leninism - having suffered "the period of Jewish rule" - which includes Kerensky - and no longer wanting to go back to it. Stalin is better liked because he won the "Great Patriotic War." Hence why Putin is liked in Russia too - because he stands up to the USA's Judaeo-Protestant (+ Catholic) financier rule.
 
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Jerry Russell

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...given the new evidence on the Younger Dryas catastrophe being due to a meteor striking the Ice Sheet over Saginaw Bay, showing that mankind has suffered overwhelming disorder in the form of disasters before
This is another good example of the interplay of order and disorder. That meteor was traversing a path through space that was highly orderly and predictable, influenced by the forces of inertia and gravity and solar wind, with only the tiniest unmeasurable contribution of quantum fluctuations. The collision with earth would have been predictable for centuries in advance, to anyone with the necessary measurements of the mass, position and momentum of the bodies of the solar system.

From the perspective of any life forms on the planet, certainly its impact came as a manifestation of disorder, a random catastrophe of unimaginable magnitude. Yet if we back up to a perspective of vast eons of time, we know that these events occur repeatedly, and the rate of such catastrophes must converge to some long term average rate, perhaps subject to some trend whose source we might (or might not) dimly understand.

...this time nuclear war guaranteed by Judaeo-Christianity which seems to think that space-Jesus (as Richard would say) will return just in time!
My kudos to you, Claude, for recognizing that nuclear war is a real possibility. I don't agree that it's "guaranteed" but I think that even the elite should take it more seriously than they do. Some are overconfident that it will never happen; while others are overconfident that they can ride it out in their bunkers.

...the Fuehrer has self-discipline first of all and is admired for that fact (Hitler more than Mussolini here).
Really? We have discussed elsewhere, how Hitler may have been doing the bidding of the hidden hand of the Anglo-American (Zionist) establishment, by smashing his army against Stalin. But on a psychological level, Hitler was apparently driven by the shadow of a tragic childhood, ruled more by narcissistic self-protection and self-aggrandizement than by any sense of inner purpose. And when Orwell called him a "monomaniac", he didn't mean it as a complement.

Modern poverty means that the growing percentage of victims are no longer producers
Yes and no. A minimum wage is hardly enough to break out of poverty, and the phenomenon of "working poor" is a real thing. But I agree that below the "working poor" there is another underclass, a growing population of permanently unemployed. But surely the capitalists would like to figure out some way to put those people to work? Your analysis is oversimplified.

...only hierarchy, caste and Fuehrers i.e those with plenipotentiary power in severe crises, can ever control and subjugate the capitalist Judaeo-Christian elites...
Where does the Fuehrer get this plenipotentiary power, if not from the capitalist class? Are you trying to say that Catholics and Eastern Orthodox elites should overcome and subjugate Protestant and Jewish elites? Richard's position has always been that beneath surface differences, these groups make up one big covertly-connected family.

Perhaps in respect of Richard's passing, I should honor his wishes that this website should not be a forum for Fascist advocacy. It's not the sort of topic that would interest the sort of readers we'd have liked to attract. And, I'm getting awfully tired of it myself.

The worst of it is the evasiveness. When are you going to answer this question, Claude?? --

Please explain why a Fascist strongman at the head of a rentier capitalist elite, would institute Georgist land rent? Wouldn't this be undermining his support base?
 
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Claude Badley

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You'll be happy to know that I have no substantial criticism of your comment until the modern poverty section.
Yes and no. A minimum wage is hardly enough to break out of poverty, and the phenomenon of "working poor" is a real thing. But I agree that below the "working poor" there is another underclass, a growing population of permanently unemployed. But surely the capitalists would like to figure out some way to put those people to work? Your analysis is oversimplified.
Not so; Western capitalists just wish them to die by the roadside just like their Israeli counterparts wish the Palestinians to die off. So no, the capitalists have no need to provide work - unless there is world war and the poor are swept up into armaments factories!
Where does the Fuehrer get this plenipotentiary power, if not from the capitalist class?
A budding Fuehrer will have popular support, but in our present era, has to court capitalist power as well. The point is the capitalists themselves will divide as war breaks out. Not all capitalists are Jews by any means, and a split over Judaeo-Christianity will shatter Western capitalism.
Are you trying to say that Catholics and Eastern Orthodox elites should overcome and subjugate Protestant and Jewish elites?
This may have to happen since Judaeo-Christianity is threatening war. In Russia Putin needs Orthodoxy's help to survive now that Communism and the rest of the Left of all sorts has collapsed..
Richard's position has always been that beneath surface differences, these groups make up one big covertly-connected family.
Capitalist and feudal, traditional elites have very often found common cause, but when we trace this back in history we have to admit that while we can easily trace Judaism and Freemasonry to ancient Egypt, not everyone falls into this category - which I suspect people like Ralph Ellis were trying to establish as a monomaniacal global movement combining financier-elites everywhere.

And Richard could prove his point too, since the UAE and Bahrain monarchies now have open diplomatic relations with Israel, oppressing Palestinians still further. But this does not mean that all political elites think alike, since those lower down the hierarchy who are losing out will soon have other ideas - and not just Lenin & Trotsky but both Mussolini and Hitler fall into this subaltern category as does most of the population in the USA or Australia. It is just that these subaltern levels are not organized...
Perhaps in respect of Richard's passing, I should honor his wishes that this website should not be a forum for Fascist advocacy. It's not the sort of topic that would interest the sort of readers we'd have liked to attract.[*] And, I'm getting awfully tired of it myself.
...but don't expect answers from the Left when they cannot even formulate the philosophy correctly.
The worst of it is the evasiveness. When are you going to answer this question, Claude?? --
What evasion? I have told you clearly that the disorder of nature works in people's heads as well as cosmically, therefore people will NOT, repeat NOT, agree on fundamentals such that democracy will work - except during periods of massive economic expansion. In Australia, the lucky country, this was called "the Drover's Dog", the economy is so good and so productive under expanding capitalism that an animal could run it! As economies collapse the opposite happens: democracy becomes ever more manipulative and irrelevant, its philosophy denying disorder in nature because disorder in nature means the operation of the Fuehrerprinzip in politics to prepare for such disasters, rather than passively accept what the financiers or Marxist-Anarchists (with their withering-away-of-the-state nonsense) tell them.

The disorder also peeps out socially - as we see in the doggerel debate between Trump and Biden today. Therefore, babble about "genuine democracy" is beside the point, since as economic collapse occurs, the leaders of Western democracies want only to destroy their populations, and not just via the Frankfurt School. Real hierarchical leadership, popular but not mob rule (i.e. egalitarian democracy of the Antifa-Chomskyan type), is required to get us out of this mess.

What frustrates you Jerry, is that inwardly, you realize that democracy is just a veneer, and that Germany by 1914 was as democratic as Britain and France - such that Engels in 1891 had already stated that an alliance between France and Russia to attack Germany would force Germans to fight for their country (see his "Socialism in Germany"), given the West's willingness to ally with autocratic imperial un-democratic Russia! I.e. democracy is but a "good time girl" who'll leave you as things get tough. So then you realize the principle "together we are stronger" and from this will emerge real leaders. I.e. real fuehrers are then required - people with vision, self-discipline and an iron will!

The capitalists and the Left (the latter intellectually defunct) have long tried to tell us that capitalism on Earth is a condition that will last forever and provide abundance - and they use religion and philosophy to peddle such notions of universal harmony, notions that deny fundamental disorder in nature - and deny fundamental disagreements between humans. These notions have dumbed people down into accepting the system and their worsening economic state - not just thru religion but philosophical BS like Einstein and the Frankfurt School both of which originate philosophically from Edmund Husserl, a smug German Jewish philosopher (until WW1) who peddled the doctrine of the plenum most clearly in the modern era.**

This is why we have Open Society (Soros) funded Antifa and BLM zombies running around (in Australia too). They are there to bait the Far RIght, to keep the Far Right prejudiced and focused on poor minorities rather than rich minorities (meaning of course Jews who, sadly, are mostly Zionists and don't realize how their own elites manipulate them) - hyping up the Far Right's stupid members such as Blair Cottrell. At least however the Far Right is showing concern for the natural environment, unlike the capitalist Right and the anarchist left. What we need is the discerning among the poor minorities coming together with the intelligent elements of the Far Right, especially now that the Left is ideologically bankrupt. The financier elites are trying their best to prevent this.

As proof: see that Israel, now so confident, intends to expand into Jordan too - as the new Israeli ambassador to the UK has admitted!

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/incoming-ambassador-uk-called-expanding-israels-borders?utm_source=EI+readers&utm_campaign=d0e9f126d9-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e802a7602d-d0e9f126d9-299198974

You see too how the British Labor Party (BLP) is now fully Zionist such that the hordes of poor Leftish fools who used to vote BLP are now leaving. All that remains for them now is the Far Right since everything else has been perverted, manipulated and crushed, or is ideologically blinkered like you like to be (or even worse like Slavoj Zizek). Yes the Far Right misdirects its anger, but the more intelligent ones can come to see what the Nazis and Franco were on about - those parts of their agenda NOT controlled by the Freemasons and Thule Society that set them up. Hitler's racism destroyed him but an intelligent Far Right will not fall into the same trap - though if the Zios lead the USA into nuclear war, and the USA loses, the Zionists, Christian or Jewish, can expect to be exterminated throughout the USA and elsewhere!!!! And the exterminators will even include Evangelicals who turn to read those bits of the New Testament anew!

Yours faithfully
Claude

* The sort of readers you would have liked to attract are essentially no more. Even the poor left who have left the BLP can find no leftist answers, the intelligent ones having mulled over it for years if not decades; this is why they will either give up (most of them) or take to the Far Right to help it find better answers than racism, instead looking deeper at cultural and philosophical issues. This is the future for those who really wish to challenge the financier-elites.

**Here we see the great difference with China. Communist China didn't fall because its leaders understood that the world is fundamentally disordered, hence their understanding that the state would never wither away and that hierarchy was essential, including the coercive hierarchy of courts etc. It is not perfect by any means - but the elective caste system is the future that China will align to, even if there are few survivors after WW3 since Western democratic notions are now on the way out. (See Joseph Needham's The Grand Titration).
 
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What evasion?
Another ten paragraphs of filibustering obfuscation in answer to a simple question, is exactly what I mean.

While you pine away for some imaginary Georgist "far right" savior, the real Fascist in the American White House is cementing his power. A Bible-flaunting Presbyterian Evangelical with a Catholic wife and Jewish son-in-law, surprise surprise.

Why is your Fascist savior going to implement the Henry George system? And for that matter, what does Henry George have to do with the "Far Right"?

Answer the questions or I will block you.
 

Claude Badley

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You don't grasp the dead end of the Left, Jerry. Physical reality is built upon hierarchy.

Capitalism itself is based upon hierarchy - with the financiers at the top!
Another ten paragraphs of filibustering obfuscation in answer to a simple question, is exactly what I mean.
BS! All you want to do is equate 'fascism' in the generic sense with philosophical Fascism as the only system that understands that nature is fundamentally disordered such that mankind need fuerhrer-type leadership for the future, leadership that recognizes that hierarchy is fundamental. Your silence on Ezra Pound (and Georges Sorel) is revealing too - because Pound saw what the British elite were really like, greedy, grasping and hypocritical, the perfect soil for Karl Popper and his 'leftist-but-capitalist' Open Society BS. Poor Mussolini was but a flawed human - but in his last incarnation as leader of the Salo Republic, he governed justly, regaining much mass respect by blunting German rule - which is why the Communists strung him up, because he was winning the masses over again (See e.g. Richard Griffiths, Fascism pp. 141-143)!

Liberalism (capitalist philosophy) and the left deny the need for hierarchy and fantasize about democratic rule instead - because they fantasize about an essential human equality that does not exist. Human equality is but a crude approximation, and when applied exclusively destroys all hierarchy and fatally weakens all effective opposition to the financiers. This is why the Left has proven worse than useless, while capitalist-funded opposition movements (Antifa, BLM etc.) merely bleat 'democracy' to the idiots. What is funded in the West is what does NOT work. This is why E. Michael Jones is such a breath of fresh air. He tackles the Jewish Question openly whereas you wish to deny it by playing sotto voce with Judaeo-Christianity - and Protestant-grounded Zionism* - blaming Roman Catholics instead.

Antifa is propped up by the financial elites because it DENIES the need for hierarchy, fantasizing about communistic local systems of government - just like Noam Chomsky with his village-level rule (his note on the 'most just' village of Membrilla in "The Responsibility of Intellectuals"). Hence the masses are rendered helpless while their Zio leaders have them knock over statues and historical figures, just to annoy the Far Right so that the Far Right focuses on POOR minorities rather than the wealthy minorities. I.e. the 'opposition' is part of the financier-controlled regime hence it cannot ever get to grips with the fundamental economic structure of financial capitalism, because it misunderstands everything (no surprise when the Frankfurt School and Einstein rule).
While you pine away for some imaginary Georgist "far right" savior, the real Fascist in the American White House is cementing his power. A Bible-flaunting Presbyterian Evangelical with a Catholic wife and Jewish son-in-law, surprise surprise.
But this what your Western democracy has led to. Calling it 'flawed democracy' or 'not true democracy' is mere superficiality, as it implies that "genuine true democracy" is what should be aimed for. The deeper issues of natural fundamental disorder and the need for the Fuehrerprinzip to establish effective law court systems are simply denied in favor of a hankering for some sort of "communistic egalitarianism" instead of looking at the land question. George wrote too far back in history for his ideas to have direct influence - and Georgists were deliberately suppressed by capitalism, even more than Communism was, being even more optimistically inclined than Communism, though not as optimistic as Antifa and democrats!
Why is your Fascist savior going to implement the Henry George system? And for that matter, what does Henry George have to do with the "Far Right"?
Because the new ruling regime(s) will understand that the disaffected masses have to be encouraged to work and be assured that there will no longer be a privileged landowning financial elite to cream off the wealth - as there is today (and inflated house prices in rich suburbs are only a minor manifestation of this, since it is ownership-&-control of farmland that will really matter as Henry George also saw). This is why an elective caste system will arise - since wages will be set out explicitly, and everyone (notably the unskilled) find an individual balance between unpleasant work and higher wages versus pleasant work with lower wages (after all, even the Georgists have not explained to themselves why they were sidelined by the powerful and influential once their ideas started to spread).

Clearly, as you would agree, the Far Right has not yet considered the land question - and that is why we have Antifa, to distract the Far Right from thinking properly, to focus their rage upon poor minorities instead of rich ones.

Answer the questions or I will block you.
Your 'questions' amount to mere demands that I accept democracy as fundamental for mankind and deny hierarchy and fuehrers anchoring a post-capitalist legal system as the correct way to govern large-scale post-tribal human society (the weaker version of this being the 'Mandate of Heaven' Chinese dynastic philosophy). I.e. that I am merely to accept the central but trivial discussion that pines away uselessly about "getting democracy to work". (As for the violence of traditional Fascism, such violence is an essential part of transitions between regimes before the new one is set up. The American Revolution had similar violence, and those countries beset by Western influence, the West trying to overthrow their sovereignty,** have suffered similar crises (e.g. Vietnam); after all, the Left had proved even more lethal than the Right to the masses e.g. Stalin's Holodomor of Ukrainian peasants, something Hitler or Mussolini never did to their own people - which is why the modern Left so idolize scum like Antifa)

After all, post-nuclear war with say 10,000,000 USA survivors, isolated tiny Chomskyesque communities, organized in various democratic and feudal forms, will be all that's left after the US government crumbles - most other countries not much better in this regard, though Southern Hemisphere countries will be less damaged due to the atmospheric circulation of nuclear fallout.

I'd much rather be blocked than have to conform to a disempowering ideological fantasy world of localism/communism run by "Open Society" Antifa-types who deny the need for hierarchical rule for extended societies - since only the latter is practical, so long as it admits the disorder of nature and the need for the Fuehrerprinzip, people of integrity and self-discipline recognized by others and selected and elected as the type of people most capable to rule and govern a fair legal system NOT based upon financier rule. In contrast this selection and election is by party members, members of the new ruling regime - it is NOT based on the masses as a whole, (which I think is the question you wanted me to address and answer!***) as they are too incompetent and too manipulated by Western ideals and by Antifa to make any useful contribution or judgment whatsoever on what humanity or the planet requires, let alone their own future, which, under capitalism, is to be to die off as part of a perishing childless (thanks to the Frankfurt School) unemployed underclass!

Yours faithfully
Claude

*Were it not for Protestant prejudices Zionism would not exist. (And to think I even had to explain to you the distinction between Christianity and Judaeo-Christianity using the examples of Outremer and modern Israel) Nowadays the RCs only play along with Zios because the RCs are hoping that with Islam crushed in a big war, its masses will return to Catholic Christianity - as many now-Islamic countries once were (Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria etc.)

**Sovereignty of nations has been violated by Jewish influence as W. D. Rubinstein reveals (in The Left, the Right and the Jews p. 43ff. though he does not use the word 'sovereignty'), replaced with pluralist interests i.e. rich financiers controlling government from behind. That is what constitutional monarchy means - the king is but a figurehead. The Fuehrerprinzip, by re-establishing sovereignty, first in one nation then gradually worldwide, is the key to wresting control from financier rule - denying this means rendering oneself permanently impotent, and not just politically! :(

***i.e.
Jerry said:
Please explain why a Fascist strongman at the head of a rentier capitalist elite, would institute Georgist land rent? Wouldn't this be undermining his support base?
He would not, because a "fascist strongman" in our era is one ruled by Western capitalism, ultimately by the USA, so he has no real independence, being but a figurehead, a small-f 'fascist.'

Hence for a fascist actually running a capitalist country e.g. Pinochet in Chile, this 'fascism' is merely the popular description of the present-day situation under the rule of international financier elites. Chile is in debt to the Western Judaeo-Christian finance system. Hitler and Franco were trying to break from it - Mussolini being inconsistent here, his popularity lost due to the inroads of the Great Depression. So don't confuse Western-backed dictators with authentic Fascistic philosophical thought as found in Ezra Pound! (Yet even Pinochet realized he could not hand over Chile's copper mines to Western control, though a Western democrat-capitalist might readily label Pinochet a fascist-nationalist for having done just that :D - but who knows what the Leftist Freemasonic Allende might have done?:eek:) But then you must block me because I will not bow down whatsoever to the Zionist Judaeo-Christian agenda which rules the West - well knowing that the "worthier egalitarian-democrat-type people" you are hoping for on this website will never arrive because such people, though they once existed (30+ years ago), have by now already been thoroughly polluted by Western ideology or have gone elsewhere, i.e. to political oblivion, or to the Far Right as the letter is the only option left that is not COMPLETELY subverted by the Zios.
 
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Why is your Fascist savior going to implement the Henry George system? And for that matter, what does Henry George have to do with the "Far Right"?
Because the new ruling regime(s) will understand that the disaffected masses have to be encouraged to work and be assured that there will no longer be a privileged landowning financial elite to cream off the wealth - as there is today (and inflated house prices in rich suburbs are only a minor manifestation of this, since it is ownership-&-control of farmland that will really matter as Henry George also saw).
Please explain why a Fascist strongman at the head of a rentier capitalist elite, would institute Georgist land rent? Wouldn't this be undermining his support base?
He would not, because a "fascist strongman" in our era is one ruled by Western capitalism, ultimately by the USA, so he has no real independence, being but a figurehead, a small-f 'fascist.'
That wasn't so hard was it, to just answer the question? Except -- I thought I was asking the same question twice, and here I get two different answers! There are (at least) two different kinds of (f)ascist rulers: the bad small-f 'fascists' and the good savior Capital-F Fascists! Who knew.

We're on the same page when I say that Trump, increasingly emerging as a small-f 'fascist strongman', represents a great threat to the human race?

Your 'questions' amount to mere demands that I accept democracy as fundamental for mankind and deny hierarchy and fuehrers anchoring a post-capitalist legal system as the correct way to govern large-scale post-tribal human society (the weaker version of this being the 'Mandate of Heaven' Chinese dynastic philosophy). I.e. that I am merely to accept the central but trivial discussion that pines away uselessly about "getting democracy to work".
Another aspect of having a "conversation" at a "discussion forum" is where you listen to what the other person is saying. I admit that there is such a concept as "direct democracy" where all the people would be called upon to decide every question no matter how insignificant or trivial. But, such a system would obviously be completely dysfunctional, because no voter has enough time, experience, or skill to become an expert on everything. And no one would have any time to get any work done after tending to the demands of direct democratic governance.

So, in practice, democratic systems always involve creating some sort of hierarchy, and distributed decision making process, with many decisions handled by delegation up the hierarchy.

But then you must block me because I will not bow down whatsoever to the Zionist Judaeo-Christian agenda which rules the West...
I'm not demanding that you bow down to anyone or anything. In this context, what I'm asking for is that you engage me and our other guests in conversation.

I'd much rather be blocked than have to conform to a disempowering ideological fantasy world of localism/communism run by "Open Society" Antifa-types who deny the need for hierarchical rule for extended societies - since only the latter is practical, so long as it admits the disorder of nature and the need for the Fuehrerprinzip, people of integrity and self-discipline recognized by others and selected and elected as the type of people most capable to rule and govern a fair legal system NOT based upon financier rule. In contrast this selection and election is by party members, members of the new ruling regime - it is NOT based on the masses as a whole, (which I think is the question you wanted me to address and answer!***) as they are too incompetent and too manipulated by Western ideals and by Antifa to make any useful contribution or judgment whatsoever on what humanity or the planet requires, let alone their own future, which, under capitalism, is to be to die off as part of a perishing childless (thanks to the Frankfurt School) unemployed underclass!
Isn't this a sort of democratic system that you're describing here, albeit with certain persons purged from "party membership" because of their alleged incompetence and poor judgment?
 

Jerry Russell

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In reading this article by Gabriel Rockhill, I was rather alarmed at first that he seemed to be completely dismissing any substantial difference between democracy and fascism. He wrote:

Only one country in the world has, in recent history:

+ endeavored to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments
+ established an intelligence agency that killed at least 6 million people in the first 40 years of its existence
+ developed a draconian police-vigilante network to destroy any domestic political movements that challenged its dominion
+ constructed a mass incarceration system that cages a greater percentage of the population than any other country in the world, and which is embedded within a global secret prison network and torture regime.

Whereas democracy is the common term used to describe this country, we learn that fascism only occurred once in history, in one place, and that it was defeated by the aforementioned democracy.
And to make things worse, he explained that the difference between fascism and democracy is largely a matter of who is responsible for defining the terms:

Simone de Beauvoir once quipped that “in bourgeois language, the word man means a bourgeois.” Indeed, when the members of the colonial ruling class known as the American founding fathers sent forth their solemn declaration to the world that “all men are created equal,” they did not mean that all human beings were actually equal. It is only by understanding their unstated premise—that man means bourgeois—that we can fully comprehend their intent: the non-humans of the world can be subjected to the most brutal forms of dispossession, enslavement and colonial carnage.
This duplicitous operation, by which a particular (the bourgeoisie) attempts to pass itself off as the universal (humanity), is a well-known characteristic of bourgeois ideology. Its inverted form, however, is perhaps even more deceptive and insidious, because it has not—to my knowledge—been widely diagnosed. Rather than universalizing the particular, this ideological operation transforms the systemic into the sporadic, the structural into the singular, the conjunctural into the idiosyncratic.
The case of fascism is exemplary. Whenever its name is invoked, we are ritualistically redirected by the dominant ideology to the same set of specific historical examples in Italy and Germany, which are supposed to serve as the general standards by which to judge any other possible manifestations of fascism. According to the most un-scientific of methodologies, it is the particular that governs the universal, rather than the other way around. In its most extreme ideological form, this means that if there are no jackboots, Sieg Heil salutes and goose-stepping soldiers, then we cannot possibly be within what is commonly known as fascism.
This ideology of fascist exceptionalism is a natural outgrowth of the bourgeois notion of fascism.
Uh-oh. As a white man myself, this cuts close to home. The difference between democracy and fascism, is that democracy allows the white petit bourgeois to live in comforting self-deception? This seems to be Rockhill's conclusion:

...actually existing capitalism relies on two modes of governance that function according to the deceptive logic of the good cop / bad cop interrogation tactic: wherever and whenever the good cop is not able to inveigle people into playing by the rules of the capitalist game, the bad cop of fascism is always lurking in the shadows to get the job done by any means necessary. If the latter’s stick appears to be an aberration when compared to the carrot of the good cop, this is only because one has been hoodwinked into believing in the false antagonism between them, which dissimulates the fundamental fact that they are working together toward a common goal. While it is certainly true, from a tactical organizing perspective, that dealing with the histrionics of the good cop is usually far preferable to the barefaced barbarism of the bad cop, it is strategically of the upmost importance to identify them for what they are: partners in capitalist crime.
 

Claude Badley

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A very good posting Jerry, but it will take me some time to digest it and order it. Meanwhile the name Gabriel Rockhill strikes me as a pseudonym - given that the American Nazi Party was originally led by one Lincoln Rockwell - who, like Martin Luther King and the Kennedy politicians was murdered in suspicious circumstances.

Meanwhile I'm having to play catch-up as Richard had advised me to do - reading Unterbrink's excellent book about Judas the Galilean.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Claude Badley

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I too finally found him listed as working in the Villanova University. It was a big surprise however...
Rockhill claims that he exists in the flesh, as a professor at Villanova University, an Augustinian Catholic institution.

https://gabrielrockhill.com/
...in that his phrasing in the quoted essay strongly indicated to me a Marxist background on his part. This would appear to confirm EMJ's complaint that Catholic educational institutions, of all things, are full of Marxist ideas. Or at least it seems to be more Marxist than the University of Western Australia, Curtin University or the other tertiary academic institutions in my city!

Nevertheless, the big clue, as you hint at above, is that Rockhill explains Fascism in an exclusively Marxist way - something I have long been familiar with. Hence had I read the article on my own searching I would not have thought it unexceptional as Marxist literature - since, after all, democracy and fascism in the broader sense blend in with one another e.g. Pinochet's Chile.

The problem for me though is that as a Marxist he tries to explain Fascism as merely something invented by capitalism to control the masses. It is the 'Leftist' excuse, just as the 'Bourgeois rejection' of Fascism is to bracket it with Marxist Communism under the label 'Totalitarianism'. At least however he draws the logical conclusion from the Declaration of Independence about "all men are created equal" meaning only all bourgeois. He does not acknowledge that Fascism - big F Fascism - arose only because of the Leninist activities leading to Bolshevik Russia and the Hungarian and Bavarian Socialist Republics. This is because the normal Marxist fundamental teaching is that "socialism is inevitable" i.e. that socialism will occur even if the majority of people vote it out of existence - such as happened from 1989! Hence they cannot explain the Soviet fall - and most of these Leftists also decry the Chinese Communist Party as authoritarian and even fascist (China now Marxist for 71 years, the Soviet Union having collapsed in its 74th year after over a decade of decline)! The big Marxist failure is its refusal to deal with finance capitalism - a striking contrast to Fascism which understood that finance capitalism was the real killer, hence the Judaeo-Christian antipathy to Fascism as the latter knows where the power lies, unlike the idiotic Marxists who blame but "capitalism" for everything - as if the true cure is collectivized farming and factories (with an accompanying dictatorship of the proletariat a temporary situation before egalitarian anarchism is achieved as the ultimate goal)! This is why the capitalists quickly became supportive of Fascism, because the Fascists promised to protect them from the Bolsheviks! In contrast, Hitler's victories (starting from 1933) would ensure that German finance capitalism could not control and dominate the Nazis - contra the Marxist prattle about Fascism being merely a manifestation of capitalism.

Nor does he admit that Fascism won over many in the working classes who felt more nationalistic than communistic (hence we had Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany and Francoist Spain). But this is now an obsolete argument, not because Fascism collapsed in 1945, but because the working class membership has also collapsed with the formation and permanence of the unemployed underclass, so much the result of the Frankfurt School and their countercultural mentality which disarmed and befuddled the masses with Sex'n'Drugs'n'R&R already during the times of economic recovery and expansion from 1948-1978. Lenin and the Marxists had no inkling that such a system would be created - and that in subsequent decades, they had no ideological or philosophical understanding with which to deal with it. Fascism understands the situation much better however - and that is why Adorno & Co. wrote The Authoritarian Personality, to dumb down the masses once and for all into chumps, humiliating any authoritarian opposition by labelling one as being "high on the F[ascist]-scale" as well as an anti-Semite!

The Left's commitment to 'egalitarian democratic' principles has thus left it impotent philosophically and practically because human inequality is fundamental - the Fuehrerprinzip arising necessarily from the latter. Thus the Left thinks that there are no further issues to be discussed, whereas those who do discuss them often fall into the racist trap (Hitler's for example) instead of seeing the cultural question. As for the bourgeois, the primarily Judaeo-Christian elites, they are happy to peddle whatever ideology can win over enough of the masses, whether it's anarchist egalitarian democracy or fascism. They prefer anarchism however, e.g. Antifa and BLM, because these leftist groups are stupider and more easily manipulated; in this way they drive ordinary - and not just increasingly poor - Whites into the Far Right and fracture the poor non-White minorities with identity politics. From this we see that the Western elites' philosophy is that of agnosticism, of indifference, complementarity and manipulation, whereby their real aims are hidden by glib phrases such as "egalitarian democracy" and "Enlightenment values" - this perverted way of reasoning taught to university students specializing in subjects like History and the Philosophy of Science. (This is why Joe has turned against higher education - not just because of the damage to medicine done by BigPharma's advocacy of vaccines and inadequately investigated drugs).

Now you will tell me that Leftist academics don't like the elite slant of much university teaching - but this is particularly because they do not understand what is being taught in History and the Philosophy of Science. Since the Left, including the academic Left, believe, e.g., in Einstein, they are utterly unable to grasp what philosophy, especially bourgeois philosophy (Hume, Einstein, Berkeley, Popper etc.) is really about! Hence too they fail to understand Lenin's fatal flaw in teaming up with the Anarchists in Russia to destroy the estates and break them up into individual peasant plots - the nucleus of Russia's agricultural impoverishment from 1917, as opposed to the Civil War and Western opposition, an impoverishment not removed by the forced collectivization brought to completion in 1934.*

And as for the equivalent of Fascist concentration camps in the West. While they exist offshore, e.g. Guantanamo Bay, the camps-equivalent is everywhere in the USA (and now in Australia too), the masses of scrawny homeless street-people everywhere and now ever-growing - the effectiveness of Judaeo-Christian propaganda in moralizing at the poor rendering them helpless and accepting of their degradation, thus constitutionally unable to rise up against the system. Nazism (and Fascist Italy less successfully) solved the unemployment problem in Germany, whereas today's Western democratic values make poverty ever worse given that the economic expansionist phase of the West is well and truly over.**

Yours faithfully
Claude

*The underlying philosophical perversion here is the doctrine of the plenum, manifested both in the collectivized work group and the teachings and presumptions of egalitarian democracy.

**Except in the military sense of course since making weapons and cleaning up nuclear fallout can be or will be big business - even though the global market will shrink catastrophically.

PS: This is also why I like Richard's corrections here. While he tended, in my opinion, to assign elite control to ONE international and ancient group at the top, his position was nevertheless a minority position and thus an excellent corrective to the usual disjointed understanding of modernity's aporias (i.e. vexing and insoluble issues). I.e. he could always see the bigger picture as against the focused and limited stance of most activist-inclined people - and without Joe's obsession on getting DNA done on the elites, as Richard presumed the connection already (this undoubtedly true in most cases). I.e. the disjointed understanding is normalized among the masses today, hence disasters in Western economies and even wars are attributed to mere bungling and lack of insight rather than to elite design or tolerance of minor blunders. In fact, the disjointed understanding among the masses reminds me of that which was created among the masses in Nazi Germany to create an optimistic outlook - through a newspaper censorship that prevented any paper in Nazi Germany from showing the full extent of the Russian Front from the White Sea to the Black Sea "lest it frighten and demoralize the public."
 
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