Postflavians' Guide to Why Fascism is a Really Bad Idea

On Chomsky and human personality differences.
Having scanned through this very quickly, I'm not seeing any basis for bringing the jackbooted thugs out for a raid on Chomsky's office.
Hopefully we won't have to because his supporters will wake up feeling utterly embarrassed - and abandon him.
No, by anti-Semitism here I mean precisely anti-Judaism. We have commented elsewhere on this site, about the lack of precision of the terminology. But in common vernacular, anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism are the same thing.
Indeed they are - so why confuse them here as if we were just "common vernaculars"?
But Hitler didn't say "Zionist Anglo American". He said "Jew" and that's what he meant. EMJ didn't say "Z-A-A", he said "Jew" in the passage you quoted. And in that same passage, he exonerated Christianity. But in fact, Christianity and Judaism were designed together, as part of the same mind control system.
Can you not draw the analogy though? Do I really have to spell it out? EMJ is a devout Catholic, I am not, you are not, Joe is not! The answer is on post #74 of Fixing Democracy!

But now you're getting to the whole point at issue.
What a strange idea, to believe that democracy denies the diversity of human character and personality. That because there is diversity, therefore we must resort to a fascist dictatorship, and place all power in one allegedly supreme human being.
Yes, it sounds a strange idea - but the human diversity of character (= personality) is extreme, not something that can be contained by superficial dialogue - as at an ordinary political democratic meeting - or a "feeling of human brotherhood". It can be managed in small groups - as you see from sortition above - but it cannot work without face-to-face interaction since human extremes, what is commonly limited by the term "Human Nature" is extreme in its variation, hence the creation of laws when tribal societies break down into something more complex.

E.g. the Laws of Hammurabi, Egyptian rituals and constructions to guide the people's "collective mind" and solidarity.
You aren't helping your cause here, by admiringly quoting Adolf Hitler.
Really? I admire the insight in the quotation, not so the otherwise rabid racist who wrote it. What Hitler has done is drawn the ultimate implication of human difference - but let me give you another example, from Cuba.

When Columbus sailed from Spain he was hoping to reach China, so when he discovered America he tried to pretend that it was part of China and Cuba was part of the mainland. He was thinking on the run, eventually realizing that he could make a fortune from slavery in these newly discovered lands - except that the natives were dying of European diseases.

We like to think of Cuba as this egalitarian socialist land under Castro - peasant-poor but free of internet pornography.

Columbus however said that Cuba was inhabited, in part, by a mysterious people called either Caribs or Canibs - from the former we get Caribbean, from the latter, Cannibal! His early journals describe the people of the Bahamas as having human-inflicted wounds but lacking weapons for fighting! He also describes one West Indian island, Montserrat as being inhabited only by women and children, while Hispaniola, where he made his base, was apparently infiltrated by Carib spies. While people have tried to say that he made up these stories to justify slavery, the evidence yet points to the Carib tribe in Cuba being the most male chauvinist in history - the men learning to coordinate their activities to wipe out the men of neighboring tribes and turning their women into sex-slaves, castrating any doubtful male children early in life and turning them ultimately into food!

This activity clearly relied on substantial canoes that could travel from island to island - though with Columbus' arrival and the spread of disease the Carib system quickly broke up, so we have little evidence on the nature of these craft and the original Carib tribal structure.

My point is: human differences are extreme because the human potential is extreme, for Good and for Evil (if I may be permitted that religious imagery) cultural differences being maintained, habituated and utilized not only for justifying slavery but cannibalism and imprisoned prostitutes too. Geoffrey Epstein's sex-island is merely a later timid imitation of the Carib system, showing that Human Nature is not some fixed but some all-too-differentiable entity that needs to be trained and to learn to train itself. I.e. not be like Marcuse, Wilhelm Reich and the cultural Marxists to be encouraged to wallow in sexual debauchery like the flower-children at Woodstock!

Hitler trained Germans to be warriors - and got 'em all slaughtered. Chomsky and the cultural Marxists train Westerners to be, respectively, learned academic babblers and sex-obsessed halfwits ("porno-male and single-Mom" as Joe says) forever seeking relief in Jesus, sex, drugs and gambling since they are incapable of grasping the bigger picture; in this way they are now wasting two generations in a debauchery-mediated genocide!

Westerners believe that Human Nature is fixed (Conservatives like Richard Dawkins with his Selfish Genes) or absolutely malleable (Marxism) so they cling to democracy among large masses of people as the political solution to our difficulties, without appreciating that personality (character) difference between people is an emergent property of life itself and is essentially neither genetically based nor fully attributable to one's life experiences.

Democracy at large can only provide simple answers: complexity requires specialization. The control of complexity requires hierarchy - thus the search for people of proper character to run the hierarchy, a situation rendered impossible by the Cultural Marxist Clown College - along with Chomsky's failure to indict it or even recognize it - that rules Western social discourse today!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Indeed but a mythical or heavenly Savior is a bit different to a flesh-and-blood leader. What really matters though is whether this leader or leaders can set up a functional system.
All of these heroic leaders of yours are very, very sexy, flesh and bloodwise. Must be like Augustus screwing his political opponents wives, while promoting Christian Family Values (or what it became known as):

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For more: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/drugs-sex-rocknroll-as-weapons-against-us.2545/post-13695

What does the above pic reveal to you on multiple levels Claude? To give you some help, the girl on the left was paid $1.5 million to have an abortion by an early Trump surrogate, while the girl on the right is Melania, Trump's wife.

Look at the faces of those two bros.
 
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Correct Jerry, I was just going over the text before going to sleep.
These are Jerry's remarks, not mine. Correct the attributions.
I didn't see this comment until I was just about to turn off. Be back in 2 weeks - and thanks for your alertness here,

Yours faithfully
Claude

PS: But don't your exhibitionistic family album snaps in #82 constitute a security breach? Wouldn't Uncle Bill and Uncle Donald be rather annoyed at such indiscretion - or have you got some other snaps to keep them at bay?:D:D
 
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PS: But don't your exhibitionistic family album snaps in #82 constitute a security breach? Wouldn't Uncle Bill and Uncle Donald be rather annoyed at such indiscretion - or have you got some other snaps to keep them at bay?:D
We keep the snaps safe by hiding them in plain sight all over the Internet, which I invented. But the real question is, do these revealed 'associations' fit in well with your notions of ideal leadership in a fascist consext? It works for such as evangelical Christians.

How is the lurking going on in Sydney? We have specific rules against lurking here by individuals claiming to be in Sydney.
 
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Unfortunately all I brought back from Sydney...
We keep the snaps safe by hiding them in plain sight all over the Internet, which I invented. But the real question is, do these revealed 'associations' fit in well with your notions of ideal leadership in a fascist consext? It works for such as evangelical Christians.

How is the lurking going on in Sydney? We have specific rules against lurking here by individuals claiming to be in Sydney.
...was the Dreaded Lurgi (Severe Cold and Bronchitis with Conjunctivitis) which has laid me low for a whole week since before I returned. Only slowly recovering now as my nose and ears are clearing.

Such rules are important as you say since Sydney indeed is full of lurkers!

I can't reply to your question about ideal leadership however since I don't know what you mean by "fascist con-sext". It is a typo, or something much more Marcusian?:D

But I'm also sharpening my blade for the next blows at Jerry's favorite non-chump - Noam Chomsky!:p

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Unfortunately all I brought back from Sydney was the Dreaded Lurgi (Severe Cold and Bronchitis with Conjunctivitis)...
Welcome back Claude, and best wishes for a speedy recovery.

I'm also sharpening my blade for the next blows at Jerry's favorite non-chump - Noam Chomsky!
Considering the nature of our website, I wonder if we should address more basic questions about Mr. Chomsky...

(1) Does everybody agree that Chomsky exists as a real professor at MIT? That is, not a fictional character?

(2) That Prof. Chomsky wrote most or all the books attributed to him, with some help from students and/or admiring journalists? That is, there is no other famous individual, such as another public intellectual or politician, who is ghost writing as "Chomsky"?

(3) That Chris Knight is correct to observe that "the supreme paradox of Noam Chomsky is that throughout much of his career, he has been the world’s leading anti-militarist activist while being employed in the world’s leading centre of military research"?
 

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I can't reply to your question about ideal leadership however since I don't know what you mean by "fascist con-sext". It is a typo, or something much more Marcusian?
No, it was not a typo. One should be able to parse the roots without any help. I'll give you a hint. The fascist, hierarchicalist construct is just more of the "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality and reality.
 
Thank you Jerry
Welcome back Claude, and best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Considering the nature of our website, I wonder if we should address more basic questions about Mr. Chomsky...

(1) Does everybody agree that Chomsky exists as a real professor at MIT? That is, not a fictional character?

(2) That Prof. Chomsky wrote most or all the books attributed to him, with some help from students and/or admiring journalists? That is, there is no other famous individual, such as another public intellectual or politician, who is ghost writing as "Chomsky"?

(3) That Chris Knight is correct to observe that "the supreme paradox of Noam Chomsky is that throughout much of his career, he has been the world’s leading anti-militarist activist while being employed in the world’s leading centre of military research"?
1) Well, yes, he is or was (now 90+ years so would presumably be emeritus) professor there. Though I would have to classify him as 'demeritus'.

2) I certainly agree on this, since he had minders and others to help him correct any errors in later editions, even if some sections were ghost written.

3) He became the leading anti-militarist activist in the USA due to his opposition to the Vietnam War. He reasons for doing this is that he realized that US involvement would greatly harm not only the soldiers involved but the USA itself - which is what happened, the war destroying two presidents and alienating a generation from blind support for the US government. Luckily for the US government though, the Cultural Marxist Clown College (= Frankfurt School) was fully operational by the 1960s, helping to distract and debase the general culture, so allowing Chomsky to legitimize his role as the preeminent legitimate Leftist critic of the US regime.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Thank you Richard...
No, it was not a typo. One should be able to parse the roots without any help. I'll give you a hint. The fascist, hierarchicalist construct is just more of the "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality and reality.
...so I can now reply in consext!:)

Our universe is infinite in time, space and matter-content, as well as all three beings (i.e. matter, space and time hierarchically arranged) being infinitely divisible. Hence one cannot know everything in order to function socially. What we can do however is extract general principles of understanding, such principles being fixed and invariant ones - as opposed to values which are widely shared but also variable between individuals and cultures.

However, we live in a Western culture which claims its values to be fundamental, one of the West's fundamental values being that there are NO "general principles of understanding" which are "fixed and invariant;" which means that whatever is fixed and invariant is NOT directly accessible to human understanding (and by this I would include various religious claims of course).

Hence our fundamental cultural conflict lies in trying to sort out which values and principles are fundamental and which secondary and manipulative, a procedure that Western cultural dogmatism flatly denies as unnecessary at best and subversive of political order otherwise.

The importance to your words is that everyone at some stage has to obey some external human source - e.g. a patient obeying a doctor's treatment. Hence there are privileges where "do as I say, not as I do" have genuine application e.g. in disciplining children. You will rightly protest though that your words are referring to sane adults.

So how do we work it out? The first principle of Hierarchicalism - and Fascism - is elective affinity i.e. "together we are stronger" as opposed to the collectivist levelling doctrine, favoured by the Left, where all are to be made equal with no one in charge - the masses having been idealized as such in the first place (as you will find in Lenin's The State and Revolution)!!!

The key difference here is self-control, what is known to the CCMC (i.e. the Frankfurt School consext, see Jerry's posting above for the meaning) as "the authoritarian personality". Children and adults have to learn to develop this; those who do not rapidly fall down the Sex'n'Drugs'n'R&R slide unless propped up by concerned friends and family. In the Western world, where the authoritarian personality is stigmatized as 'Fascist', we thus have an increasingly atomized broken population which, given its potential threat to finance-capitalist hegemony with worsening economic collapse, the Judaeo-Christian authorities want to wipe out through genocidal conflict amongst the poor, both within and outside the USA.

Stephen Jay Gould and Noam Chomsky will show how (Gould) and why (Chomsky).

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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OK, I still have no freaking idea of what your talking about, other than you're equating Fascism with your new Hierarchicalism. A rose by any other name.

I think it would be good for you to first define what it is that was degraded, and yes I'm getting very tired of asking such claimants to provide such a definition. Apparently it must be self-evident and so they don't feel obligated to respond.

In lieu of such an answer, what I see from complaintants as yourself is that they don't like 'liberal democracy', because of the chaos witnessed. While the chaos is certain, I yet assert that the modern democracies witnessed so far, are yet subject to legacy hidden agendas and their minions, which must be mitigated or purged. This rather than the retrogression that you prescribe.

What, for instance, will your authoritarian personality order us to do and not do?

That you are focused on saving the world's poor makes it seem that you're merely swapping national socialism for global socialism, albeit I should not use the word 'merely' so.
 
Good answer, Richard, so I have to explain why.
OK, I still have no freaking idea of what your talking about, other than you're equating Fascism with your new Hierarchicalism. A rose by any other name.
The difference between Western/Marxist and Fascist/Hierarchicalist thinking is that only the latter recognizes fundamental human differences. The former, especially the Marxist and even more the Anarchist variety, like to claim that people are equal in the most fundamental way - i.e. blank slates at birth.
I think it would be good for you to first define what it is that was degraded, and yes I'm getting very tired of asking such claimants to provide such a definition. Apparently it must be self-evident and so they don't feel obligated to respond.
What has been degraded in Western thought is the fundamental nature of human character differences. The difference between Fascism and Hierarchicalism is that Fascism (at least of the ordinary sort) attributes fundamental human character differences to hereditary (i.e. racial) differences and proposes to cull or subjugate human populations on that basis. Hierarchicalism denies the hereditary nature of character, except in the cases of proven medical oddities - e.g. Tourette's syndrome - so does not follow the racist model.
In lieu of such an answer, what I see from complaintants as yourself is that they don't like 'liberal democracy', because of the chaos witnessed.
The chaos is destructive and ultimately manufactured and justified by the liberal elites to enable their continuing rule.
While the chaos is certain, I yet assert that the modern democracies witnessed so far, are yet subject to legacy hidden agendas and their minions, which must be mitigated or purged. This rather than the retrogression that you prescribe.
The retrogression is needed in that the "together we are stronger" principle has to be applied to win adherents.

Nevertheless, the legacy agendas are still there - and part of present-day culture. Hierarchicalism has to identify and expose these legacy agendas or it too cannot move forward.
What, for instance, will your authoritarian personality order us to do and not do?
The basic answer to that - provided the authoritarian personalities and their hierarchical order have enough support - is to get every able-bodied person working again for a decent wage. It will impose tax on Georgist principles without abolishing capitalists altogether, this group becoming one of the new castes, who have both duties and privileges. Full employment will be mandatory - especially to prevent falling wages under job competition - in this way preventing the endemic constitutional impoverishment under the Liberal (= Libertarian = Whig) system.

Its major "do not" principles will concern the effects of free market capitalism, but it will also expose and curb the Cultural Marxist Clown College in that pornography promotion among the young will have to be enforced, to prevent their dissipation in impossibly endowed and exaggerated sexual-turning-to-violent imagery! It will also be obliged to expose the frauds in the philosophy of science, notably Einstein's relativity but also the pollution of quantum theory by relativity and the recourse to merely quantitative methods in physics. This goes dead against the prejudices of our day, but, as you can well imagine, the Judaeo-Christian agenda is clearly deeply underpinned by the Einsteinian worldview.
That you are focused on saving the world's poor makes it seem that you're merely swapping national socialism for global socialism, albeit I should not use the word 'merely' so.
Very true, in that "national socialism" never went well, not just in Germany, but particularly the "Socialism in One Country" in the Soviet Union, where this 'Stalin option' was the only one possible, since any return to Anarchism or to the Soviets would have brought about mere chaos and thus the return of predatory capitalism.

And given that human-mediated global warming (whether CO2 alone or with CH4) is indeed global, it will require something global and something protectively social to deal with it!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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OK, this response has created way more questions than answers, which I don't have the energy to get to tonight, or possibly should given my priorities.

I think the solutions (where we diverge) are much simpler and less draconian, of which you haven't elucidated the 'authoritarian' aspect above. Such as, who is unenlightened enough to manage the global system for our collective best interest? And who are the worthy Elect that get to elect the first Badley Ass? Or will there be a mortal contest like in the Hunger Games?

Maybe we do need a global authority to honestly prepare graphs and how to read them, to shut these damn climate cult alarmists up. You and Al Gore are like peas in a pod. All globalist roads lead from somewhere.
 
I think your highlighted response will be the way it works out.
OK, this response has created way more questions than answers, which I don't have the energy to get to tonight, or possibly should given my priorities.

I think the solutions (where we diverge) are much simpler and less draconian, of which you haven't elucidated the 'authoritarian' aspect above. Such as, who is unenlightened enough to manage the global system for our collective best interest? And who are the worthy Elect that get to elect the first Badley Ass? Or will there be a mortal contest like in the Hunger Games?

Maybe we do need a global authority to honestly prepare graphs and how to read them, to shut these damn climate cult alarmists up. You and Al Gore are like peas in a pod. All globalist roads lead from somewhere.
Very true, in that the Greenie phrase "think globally, act locally" merely ends up abdicating responsibility for acting globally. You have highlighted the issue that authority is needed in order to get effective action.

So could you please eludicate what you consider the "much simpler and less draconian" solutions?

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

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So could you please eludicate what you consider the "much simpler and less draconian" solutions?
Well, you've a long way to go to satisfy me with your Hierarchical Hunger Games, and I've already been discussing these things on the forum. If I provide you a bullet list, then how do I know this wont distort your presentation here? We need to see the unvarnished Badley. Besides, I am a virgin regarding eludication. ;)

Speaking of witch, you think that the big cultural problem is pornography, with "impossible endowment"?

And that the Frankfurt School is responsible here? Was the Frankfurt School responsible for the Turin Erotic Papyrus?


No, what I want to know in this respect is what was/is being degraded starting in the 1960's that is soooo much different from the supposed Eden you all claim. Maybe the degradation started when the Jews got rid of the Levirate Marriage contract? After all, like that song says, "What's Love Got to Do With It?", proper Western marriage is a business, not some namby pamby contracted lust affair. This is what you continually refuse to answer about the degradation caused by the troubadours.

And If you really care about the cultural values of the West, why aren't you defending its divine feudalism? Or are you ... you sneaky Tasmanian Devil. You know that mortal combat is the true way to 'elect' the new Sun King.
 

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The difference between Western/Marxist and Fascist/Hierarchicalist thinking is that only the latter recognizes fundamental human differences....
What has been degraded in Western thought is the fundamental nature of human character differences.
Claude, isn't this a straw man that you're putting up here? Modern ("Western") academic science recognizes all sorts of human differences. We have studies of personality and intelligence, within cognitive psychology. There are differences in sex, gender, sexual and gender preferences, height, weight, athletic ability, education, wealth, and culture.

The difference between Fascism and Hierarchicalism is that Fascism (at least of the ordinary sort) attributes fundamental human character differences to hereditary (i.e. racial) differences and proposes to cull or subjugate human populations on that basis.
Ah, but modern "Western" science also says that heredity is a factor in determining human characteristics. Studies indicate that individual and family genetic variability is far more significant that racial effects. Indeed it turns out that human "races" are cultural constructs, only vaguely correlated with genetic clusters related to geographical origin.

[Western/Marxists,...] especially the Marxist and even more the Anarchist variety, like to claim that people are equal in the most fundamental way - i.e. blank slates at birth.
In modern times, the "blank slate" would be an extreme fringe belief. I challenge you to find any significant living Marxist or Anarchist scholar who would argue this position.

Thomas Jefferson is revered and applauded for saying "all men are created equal". But when modern progressives approvingly quote him, we don't mean that people are all the same. We're talking about equal treatment under the law, equal rights and equal opportunities.

capitalists ... becoming one of the new castes...
New castes? And did you say something about "fundamental" human differences? You mean, like everybody is born "fundamentally" Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra, or Dalit? Capitalist = Vaishya? And that's somehow "fundamental" rather than just cultural, genetic or hereditary?
 

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Claude, of course, is referring to the general caste system notion that respective human souls are in various gradation states of maturity, as they come out of the birth canal. Or perhaps better stated, as the fetus is habituated during the "quickening". Thus, the respective "blank slates" are at various relativity levels from the getgo. Such as the Hindus posited that one's soul becomes appropriated into the proper caste based upon the respective maturity level in the system of reincarnation of the individual. It matters not, within one's lifetime, that an individual transcends the demarcation between his or her current caste, albeit there are some who advocate such a meritocratic caste mobility.

With some few exceptions, what is lacking in organized education processes, is the ability of a poor youth (from any ethnicity) within a poor cultural environment to gain access to both optimal nutrition and optimal parenting (nurture) and socialization in the context of also experiencing a first rate education. Today, the trends are running retrograde, epitomized by the extreme cost of a higher education that actually costs less than 10% than being charged by the academic mafia that ironically are helping to justify Claude's delusions.

What is also lacking within even such as meritocratic caste mobility systems, unless specific measures (which come at a cost) are taken to ensure the availability of maturation opportunities, then such individual and mass maturation process will necessarily be retarded, as we have witnessed for thousands of years. But, somebodies have to clean and maintain the sewer systems, right? As President Yang says, it will take a long time before even plumbers can be automated.

Such is why President Yang says that we must completely re-evaluate our metrics of value, and thus such as the sewage worker must garner a higher value and compensation. And/or, we could implement the portion of the Soviet system where even corporate CEOs and government poobahs must be allocated a portion of time in the fields, mines, and sewers. Make Shit Great Again!!!

Poobahs?

We can have patriotic songs like:

Oh, I've been temp working in the sanitation facility
All the live long day
I've been temp working in the sanitation facility
Just to pass our gas away
Can't you hear the methane whistle blow.
Rise up so early in the mornin;
Can't you hear the captain du poo shoutin,
"Dinah, blow your horn!"
Dinah, won't you blow,
Dinah, won't you blow,
Dinah, won't you blow your horn?

OK, so we'll have to work more on the suggestive and sexist chorus.

Except that we haven't heard from Mr. Badley on the respective role of the sexes, as maintained by previously undegraded Western Culture at least.
 
Fundamental human character differences are not explicable through modern theorizing.
Claude, isn't this a straw man that you're putting up here? Modern ("Western") academic science recognizes all sorts of human differences. We have studies of personality and intelligence, within cognitive psychology. There are differences in sex, gender, sexual and gender preferences, height, weight, athletic ability, education, wealth, and culture.
There are genetic differences but the cause of other differences are environmental and cultural. Genetic differences in sex, weight etc. are obviously genetic, but sexual preferences are little influenced by genetics. Culture is almost always not genetic in origin, despite correlations, but nor is it simply environmental determinism.
Ah, but modern "Western" science also says that heredity is a factor in determining human characteristics. Studies indicate that individual and family genetic variability is far more significant that racial effects. Indeed it turns out that human "races" are cultural constructs, only vaguely correlated with genetic clusters related to geographical origin.
If there is major genetic family variability within one GV (geographic variant) we would expect it in other GVs (races in the old terminology) and we would also therefore expect differences between GVs even though the reasons for inter-GV differences would be different for intra-GV differences. The correlations between GVs are NOT vague but do vary on a continuum, demonstrating the falsehood of the modern claim that "human races are [reducible merely to] cultural constructs." But even if I accept this lie, why are Black IQs in the USA 15 points lower than White IQs?
In modern times, the "blank slate" would be an extreme fringe belief. I challenge you to find any significant living Marxist or Anarchist scholar who would argue this position.
There is a blank slate at birth in the sense that the baby has not yet experienced anything consciously. What I am asking is the question of environmental and genetic differences - and biases - somehow being imparted to the baby's mind before birth. We can find some of these in material experiences in that the baby will tend to prefer the same foods as its mother was eating during pregnancy.

Marxists traditionally believed in the blank slate - and Lenin and Stalin acted upon it, trying to create "socialist man", much as modern economists do when they treat the masses as "rational actors" in economics. I.e. they live in a fantasy world - but it also means that "blank slate" can be and often is given two different meanings so is hard to interpret blandly.
Thomas Jefferson is revered and applauded for saying "all men are created equal". But when modern progressives approvingly quote him, we don't mean that people are all the same. We're talking about equal treatment under the law, equal rights and equal opportunities.
Did Jefferson really imply that women, Native Americans and Black slaves were also equal? This could be read into his phrases but Custer's Last Stand let alone the Civil War suggest different interpretations of an essentially ambiguous phrase.

Now that the world is falling apart with an increasingly arrogant Judaeo-Christian rich (in the West) and increasing masses of desperate poor - not just Blacks, Latinos or Moslems but Trump-votin' White poor too - this question is being placed on the political discussion table once more - especially now that the Left with its egalitarian democratic posturing has collapsed worldwide.

Your last points are the most important.
New castes? And did you say something about "fundamental" human differences? You mean, like everybody is born "fundamentally" Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra, or Dalit? Capitalist = Vaishya? And that's somehow "fundamental" rather than just cultural, genetic or hereditary?
The Nazis of course believed that such differences were hereditary and genetic - and Hitler actually believed that Germans were a DEGENERATE master race that needed to rediscover its purity.

But babies are actually NOT born to a caste - not genetically marked. Rather, they grow into it and choose it as they go - at least if given the opportunity. I.e. caste is the realm of peace and order, unlike democracy which is the war party of the rabble - "mob rule" to use the correct translation of the Greek words demos and kratos. (And note that in the USA, the rabble is at the top, even Elizabeth 'Honest Injun' Warren!)

In India of course, caste is inherited from the father (or supposed father) so the racist interpreation, as with the Nazis, is implicit.

Rather, what I mean by fundamental is that human differences CANNOT be reduced to a mere simple-minded equation (though Lewontin, Kamin & Rose seemed to think so). I.e.

human character differences = environment + genetic endowment

And under "environment" I include intrauterine experiences. Rather, the recognition of caste differences between humans is the recognition that human personality develops with life experience, not as a mere sum of genetics+environment, and hence that different people would rather be given the opportunity to slot themselves into different roles - the Indian caste system, despite its genetic crudity would NOT have lasted as long as it has unless it reflected some fundamental differential human disposition. The West does NOT recognize this, babbling along with Solomon's all-Biblical negativism in Ecclesiastes 1:9-10.
Old Testament said:
That which has been is what will be, that which is done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which it may be said "See, this is new?" It has already been in ancient times before us.
It is also clear that this also embodies the doctrine of the Eternal Recurrence, described by Nietzsche (Will to Power #55) as the "most scientific of all possible hypotheses" - by which he means modern scientific, along the lines of Einstein's BS.

A proper Georgist system would combine with caste to ensure that the lower castes i.e. manual workers, would get more money for distasteful jobs, so would choose the job most suitable, balancing more remuneration for dirty work versus less money for other work e.g. librarian. In this way the new caste system would secure general acceptance without having the anarchist-Leftist cry of "egalitarianism and instant recall of delegates" interrupting, sabotaging and destroying the function of governing.

In this regard I would liken the general recognition of caste principle as like the general recognition for the seven-day week. Long experience shows that the 7-day system appeals to the majority of the people - unlike the Egyptian 10-day week or Soviet 5-day week. It was based on something irrelevant - astrology - just as the Indian caste system was based on natural disaster and color-coded bigotry - but this does not disqualify the use of the 7-day week just because we no longer believe in the validity of astrology and the Seven Planet-gods (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn). Likewise for the caste principle, despite its disaster-initiated and covertly racist origins. As George Orwell said of both the Nazis' system and the Indian caste system should either be victorious - "it works"! But Orwell was horrified at his own insight!

And so now we come to your favorite Leftist, the most quoted living intellectual of our day, Noam Chomsky. What does he think of racial differences? Particularly the 15-point difference between Blacks and Whites in the USA that has now been documented for nearly a century? What does your Bhagwan of anti-Bolshie Bakuninism have to say on this issue? Same as you, perhaps???? - though I'd think you'd prefer to answer for yourself, as someone at a completely different caste level to Chomsky!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Richard Stanley

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But babies are actually NOT born to a caste - not genetically marked. Rather, they grow into it and choose it as they go - at least if given the opportunity. I.e. caste is the realm of peace and order, unlike democracy which is the war party of the rabble - "mob rule" to use the correct translation of the Greek words demos and kratos. (And note that in the USA, the rabble is at the top, even Elizabeth 'Honest Injun' Warren!)
So what you're advocating is ... American Freedom, less the Democracy. But, as I've stated, except in some narrow exceptions, the modern democracy has always been subverted, by the rabble at the top. While they throw shade on those looking variously just for some parity.

And, as you've previously noted the new Dictator du jour is chosen via some terminal blood competition. Well, your almost hero, Trump, was told growing up to be a "killer" and give no quarter. He is no dirty capitalist as he earns his money the old fashioned way, graft.
 
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