Postflavians Confront Anti-Semitism and Anti-Judaism

[lorenhough]

Rothschild marry in to England royal family
cut from mullens book on the fed reserve above.

Paterson had found himself unable to work with the Bank of England's stockholders. Many of them remained anonymous, but an early description of the Bank of England stated it was "A society of about 1330 persons, including the King and Queen of England, who had 10,000 pounds of stock, the Duke of Leeds, Duke of Devonshire, Earl of Pembroke, and the Earl of Bradford."
Because of his success in his speculations, Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild, as he now called himself, reigned as the supreme financial power in London. He arrogantly exclaimed, during a party in his mansion, "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."
His brother James in Paris had also achieved dominance in French finance. In Baron Edmond de Rothschild, David Druck writes, "(James) Rothschild's wealth had reached the 600 million mark. Only one man in France possessed more. That was the King, whose wealth was 800 million. The aggregate wealth of all the bankers in France was 150 million less than that of James Rothschild. This naturally gave him untold powers, even to the extent of unseating governments whenever he chose to do so. It is well known, for example, that he overthrew the Cabinet of Prime Minister Thiers."48

The expansion of Germany under Bismarck was accompanied by his dependence on Samuel Bleichroder, Court Bankers of the Prussian Emperor, who had been known as an agent of the Rothschilds since 1828. The later Chancellor of Germany, Dr. von Bethmann Hollweg, was the son of Moritz Bethmann of Frankfurt, who had intermarried with the Rothschilds. Emperor Wilhelm I also relied heavily on Bischoffsheim, Goldschmidt, and Sir Ernest Cassel of Frankfurt, who emigrated to England and became personal banker to the Prince of Wales, later Edward VII. Cassel's daughter married Lord Mountbatten, giving the family a direct relationship to the present British Crown.
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48 David Druck, Baron Edmond de Rothschild, (Privately printed), N.Y. 1850

Josephson49
states that Philip Mountbatten was related through the Cassels to the Meyer Rothschilds of Frankfurt. Thus, the English royal House of Windsor has a direct family relationship to the Rothschilds. In 1901, when Queen Victoria's son, Edward, became King Edward VII, he re-established the Rothschild ties.
Paul Emden in Behind The Throne says,
"Edward's preparation for his metier was quite different from that of his mother, hence he 'ruled' less than she did. Gratefully, he retained around him men who had been with him in the age of the building of the Baghdad Railway...there were added to the advisory staff Leopold and Alfred de Rothschild, various members of the Sassoon family, and above all his private financial advisor Sir Ernest Cassel."50

cut from mullens books on the federal reserve LH

jerry please add anti-gentile to the title to be fair please thanks.

 

[Richard Stanley]

jerry please add anti-gentile to the title to be fair please thanks.

This is pretty hilarious Loren. It just shows that the blind bull in a china shop will indeed still charge at the red shield. Oops, the red false flag.

Israel Shahak pointed out that the only people allowed to intermarry into the European nobility were elite Jews, sometimes referred to as hofjuden, for the (royal) House Jews. He also detailed how the Jews, writ large, were institutionalized as the buffer class between the nobility and the non related hoi polloi. This done back in imperial Roman times. The legacy of this is why they are still predominant in various professions, including in entertainment. Common 'white' people were only allowed to be tradesmen at best, otherwise they were picking cotton for massah.

White supremacists love to crow about Shahak's expose book, but always forgetting the implications of the above, from chapter 4. This is because most people have selective focus, based upon their cultural bias, the strongest influence of which comes from the Bible. Where the Jewish holy book explicitly details how naughty Judah and his Jewish offspring was. Do you see anything wrong with this presentation, or now that you admit to being so attached to God, that the holy book must be true after all, just as presented to you? Maybe you should contact Joe and have him explain it to you, as he seems to be the only one that can enter your door of perception.

There is an old saying about the ostentatiousness of New Money as opposed to the silence of Old Money, and perhaps you should take that into account about such matters as what the likes of the Rothschilds (The Red Shields) say. Like Marx who got his start being employed by the Prussian nobility as a spy on Bruno Bauer (before his Socialist mitigation project), the first Rothschild, also a Bauer, was started on his way by the Prussian nobility. Now they are also important bankers for the Vatican, where John XXIII told them, after WWII, that he was Joseph to the Jews. In Genesis Judah must pay obeisance to Joseph for having sold Joseph into slavery. Thus, with their also being absolved of killing Christ because of Vatican II reforms, the OT prophecy of the two sticks (Judah and Ephraim (or Joseph)) can become one.

If you would read Caesar's Messiah you would see that the elite Jews are collaborating with the Flavians. Earlier the Maccabees were collaborating with the Greeks, yet in each of these cases, even most Jews of today yet celebrate Josephus and the Maccabees as ethnic heroes to their cause. Joseph married a daughter of an Egyptian high priest, and his youngest son got the eternal blessing (not Judah). Maybe there is no contradiction, if you understood the model.

But similar to them you apparently think you are a Gentile. Well, maybe so, but this really depends on if your Kansas family were gentil aristocrats or just common dirt farmers. So you can post more of the same till you sink the site's web server from all the ones and zeroes you put in there, but it wont change a thing.

Remember you are the one who thinks that a train station is a concentration camp, because it looks kinda sorta like what you think one kinda sorta must look like. But it wasn't even a train station, but a train car repair yard. And you want to tell Jerry and me what is what?

Maybe you need another hit of acid to finally get it. Or did you drink the wrong batch of Kool-Aid?

You'll say, well what the difference. Well, with your and David Duke's Final Solutions you wont have addressed anything but the red shield component and not what was hiding behind it.

The inability of people to see behind this massive cultural construct is just why the imposition of 600 inverted Mosaic Laws was created, to create a distractionary false flag to hide the people who instituted it. If it makes you feel better to run with the fishes, then go ahead and stay in the shark tank.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Loren,

I'd like to you to reply to our comments on your first post here today in a conversational manner, and then we'll get to the rest of your posts. It can be overwhelming to try to reply to such a succession of material. When you use cut-and-paste, you can get way ahead of us. I have just a few words to add to what Rick said.

One has to ask how David Druck in 1850 truly knew how much money James Rothschild had, or how much money the King had, or whether the King's land was being appropriately valued against the Rothschild bank shares. Bankers generally work by skimming a tiny percentage from the difference between the interest they earn on loans, and the payments to depositors. Over time I know this adds up, but the depositors collectively are making a lot more money than the bank. So this claim that the Rothschilds became so fabulously wealthy as to rival the great noble estates as well as the growing industrial powerhouses of the time, does not seem credible to me.

It's important to get this analysis right, because if you go focusing on the alleged perfidy of the Jews, it makes you blind to the real nature of the power structure.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I forgot to point out that I have provided a detailed first draft summary of the SSM to Jerry to post along with his even more concise, nutshell version. This to be contrasted against Joe's model, which I have tentatively labeled the CCM. Through the looking glass I understand that the CCM is basically that of being that "only some Jews did it" as opposed to my rude and offensive allegation that the CCM was that "the Jews did it."

 

[Jerry Russell]

Here is Rick's message about the "SSM":

The (SSM) Shepherds and Sheepdogs Model is premised upon the overwhelming institutional (Theology and Legal) and historical relationship between elite (aka Gentile) Christian (especially Roman Catholic) and Rabbinic Jewish polity, as to their intimate control over the hoi polloi ubiquitously incorrectly conflated with the terms 'gentile' and 'goyim'. The latter really meaning the abstract nation(s) construct), and the former a co-optation of the former serf's vanity via a nominal cultural upgrade in title.

This elite collaborative relationship can be clearly seen being revealed by Carroll's Constantine's Sword (for the contiguous theological reiterations from Augustine till the Vatican II era's ecumenical 'conciliation' by papal absolving of the Jews for killing Christ), Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion (especially Chapter 4 on the institutional buffer class), and the curious Greco-Roman relationships of the Maccabees, the Alexander family, and the pseudo-Jewish Herodians.

The Postflavian Old Testament analysis series, and its reference material provides further evidence that the entire Jewish construct in a contrived, artificial dialectic construct brutally imposed by ... Gentile (aka elites) operatives intent on imposing this contrived drama as the cultural template for an explicitly stated global ambition. Namely that the Seed of Jesse would ultimately control the Earth. Thus the motivation to graft onto the Root of Jesse by the Imperial Romans (the wild branch), documented by the Flavians as per Caesar's Messiah.

There is nothing under the illuminated Sun that is original to the Judaic construct. Everything, including the esoteric kabbalah is either Mesopotamian or Egyptian, with a smattering of Indian (likely residue from the Indus Valley 'Harrapan culture'). This includes Solomon, who is clearly a literary trope, a vicar of the pharaohs so to speak. Hence, such as symbolic and ritual 'culture' as seen embedded in Freemasonry, and even in Christianity and especially Mormonism, is mainly Egyptian. The 'old religion' was thus esoterically retained inside of exoteric Judeo-Christianity, for the sake of the Shepherds to maintain and cull their hoi polloi flocks.

The first general phase of building the dialectic construct required a centuries long cultural engineering project, of which the key element was the imposition of approximately 600 Mosaic Laws that all serve to impose an inversion of a respective pagan culture to be found in the neighborhood of the new, Providential Promised Land construct. The fact that these inversion laws had to be bloodily imposed over centuries tells us by default that the people being imposed upon were not Jewish or Hebrew in the classical terms that we are supposed to understand them today. The were typical pagans, and the Bible pretty much tells us so. Archaeology confirms that many of the so-called Hebrew tribes were in fact typical Canaanites that had long lived there to begin with.

The book of Genesis clearly identifies the Jews deriving from Judah, their patriarch. And it clearly details all of Judah's key descendants in a negative light, later to be infamously depicted by Judas, who betrays Jesus for money. Genesis also identifies the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh descending from Joseph, via the mother who was a wife of the Egyptian high priest, and hand selected by the pharaoh. As such, does one believe that such details are important or random dross. If the latter, then why not reject such notions as in Caesar's Messiah, which made a point of linking to Jesse, the father of King David.

Similar manners of Conquest and cultural imposition, a form of cuckholding, is later witnessed by such as the Norman Conquest, the, Northern Ireland affair, the Catholic Conquests of Central and South America, and the Protestant Conquest of North America, etc., etc.. In the process of these later conquests, the former 'white' hoi polloi (aka serfs) became profitably convinced that they were now 'gentile' cultural elites, fit to lord over the barbarian races, as the real Gentiles yet lord over them.

Why would the Romans feel compelled to graft onto the Root of Jesse beyond their own internal ambitions? One answer might be that they are represented by the half-tribe of Manasseh, the brother to Ephraim, both the sons of Joseph. Hence, when Pope John XXIII stated that he was the Jew's Joseph he would be correct, albeit that Ephraim was the biblically anointed / blessed son and tribe. The claim for Ephraim is explicitly held today by the English, related to such as the House of Orange. This (hair) color of orange is intimately linked to such as the Tudors like Elizabeth I, the De Vere's, and such. Using this framework may indeed explain the mysterious dynamics of the Templars fraught relationship to the Catholic orthodoxy. A big and long running family feud, where at times the parties must collaborate.

This coloring can now be strongly traced back to pharaonic Egypt, and most all of Nicholas De Vere's claims for his clan can be confirmed, especially as to the inferior role of the Jews. Jesse has been revealed by researcher Ralph Ellis as a pharaoh, and we'll add even more supporting details.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Where is your concise version?

BTW, I hope that you're not still going to prepare Joe's model. I think that Joe should articulate this, as this project was his idea.

I know that there are two basic versions of the CCM, one that it began with Ignatius Loyola, and the second with such as Vatican II, completed by Francis. Of course, another version is that the Romans, the later Euro-nobles, and pretty much everybody, except the white peeps, are Jews. This is getting semantically close to the SSM.

 

[Jerry Russell]

I've decided it could be premature to summarize SSM before we've had a chance to look at it in detail. Meanwhile, I'd like to ask a question that might be answered through further research. When Rick refers to red-haired royalty above, is there any evidence that the royals were able to consistently maintain a high percentage of red-haired offspring over many generations? If so, this would indicate very strong inbreeding. The red-hair gene is recessive.

I agree that we have to be careful about any claims that we're speaking for Joe here. But I think he's hoping we can come up with a viewpoint on "the Jewish question" that we can reach a consensus on. Here's a proposal:

We know that there are at least some Jews in powerful positions. What we don't know, is how they might be operating. Also, we don't know how many powerful Crypto-Jews there might be. We can't be sure the SSM model is correct, therefore we should continue to call for DNA testing of elites to make sure the prevalence of Jews isn't higher than it should be.

 

[lorenhough]

I've decided it could be premature to summarize SSM before we've had a chance to look at it in detail. Meanwhile, I'd like to ask a question that might be answered through further research. When Rick refers to red-haired royalty above, is there any evidence that the royals were able to consistently maintain a high percentage of red-haired offspring over many generations? If so, this would indicate very strong inbreeding. The red-hair gene is recessive.

I agree that we have to be careful about any claims that we're speaking for Joe here. But I think he's hoping we can come up with a viewpoint on "the Jewish question" that we can reach a consensus on. Here's a proposal:

RICH SAID
Remember you are the one who thinks that a train station is a concentration camp, because it looks kinda sorta like what you think one kinda sorta must look like. But it wasn't even a train station, but a train car repair yard. And you want to tell Jerry and me what is what?
I NEVER SAID THAT. I JUST PUT UP WHAT OTHERS SAID LOOK READ THINK OK lh

RICH SAID
Maybe you need another hit of acid to finally get it. Or did you drink the wrong batch of Kool-Aid? I NEVER DONE ACID DONT DRINK KOOL AID lh
JERRY
CALL HIM OFF ME PLEASE ... HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE IS SO UPSET, IS HE SICK ? OR JUST A UNAHPPY PERSON AND WANT S TO LET US KNOW.

YES THERE IS A MIX OF RELIGONS PEOPLE AT THE TOP .

.AS MY FATHER WOULD SAY YOU CANT WIN THEM ALL, THANKS JERRY FOR BEING A NICE PERSON,

 

[Richard Stanley]

Everyone knows the Euro-royals were highly inbred, forming one big transnational clan unrelated to the serfs. De Vere claims that his clan was especially so, even selecting for green eyes. As we discussed before, almost all Renaissance art depicts nobility and the Classical Gods as having reddish hair. Alexander's mother, at least, had red hair.

Shouldn't we also be doing DNA testing of the Gentiles, so as to distinguish them from White People? We could start by requesting access to the Red Cross DNA data base. Or we could start our own DNA sequencing company.

De Vere had a project where one could submit DNA to it, and I presume only people that had red hair and green eyes may have done sent them samples.

 

[Richard Stanley]

RICH SAID
Remember you are the one who thinks that a train station is a concentration camp, because it looks kinda sorta like what you think one kinda sorta must look like. But it wasn't even a train station, but a train car repair yard. And you want to tell Jerry and me what is what?
I NEVER SAID THAT. I JUST PUT UP WHAT OTHERS SAID LOOK READ THINK OK lh RICH SAID
Maybe you need another hit of acid to finally get it. Or did you drink the wrong batch of Kool-Aid? I NEVER DONE ACID DONT DRINK KOOL AID lh

Uhmmm, Loren, maybe you better go back and read your post, because you said it must be a FEMA concentration camp because of the barbed wire facing the wrong direction. This is what you were arguing with Jerry about.

JERRY
CALL HIM OFF ME PLEASE ... HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE IS SO UPSET, IS HE SICK ? OR JUST A UNAHPPY PERSON AND WANT S TO LET US KNOW.

Jerry, please discipline Toto, he's not in Kansas anymore.

YES THERE IS A MIX OF RELIGONS PEOPLE AT THE TOP ..

My understanding of Joe's model, the CCM, is that there are only "some Jew's" at the top, nobody else, Period.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Maybe you need another hit of acid to finally get it. Or did you drink the wrong batch of Kool-Aid? I NEVER DONE ACID DONT DRINK KOOL AID lh

I'm sorry, I could swear I heard Joe say you were frolicking at the acid parties. My mistake.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Loren,

I guess Richard was insulted that you asked us to change the title of the thread. We are trying to make it as clear as possible, that we don't share the views of these posts that you've extracted from other websites.

Did you notice that I've changed the site rules? When you insult us, I'm going to let Richard be himself. And he gets to decide when he's been insulted.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I guess Richard was insulted that you asked us to change the title of the thread. We are trying to make it as clear as possible, that we don't share the views of these posts that you've extracted from other websites.

As another member also recently suggested that we limit Loren's posts, perhaps one means to do so would be to have Loren forward all of his material to Joe by email. Then Joe can vet the material (and examine for possible use in the podcasts) and then forward it to you for posting in Loren's name.

Vetting the data is important, because it is costing us so much time do so (and we can't keep up and/or do our own work), because Loren just copies anything and everything here without researching it to see if there is any validity. He is counting on us doing this work for him, knowing full well it takes a lot of our time. And the more we complain, the more material he posts.

To do Joe a favor, which Loren frequently wont do for us, would be to provide Joe a brief and coherent analysis of what all these things mean.

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Rick,

I don't think it's fair to ask Joe to take on the work of vetting Loren's materials, either. How about the solution I've implemented here: when Loren posts something that I feel is problematic or that requires a response, I just hide it until we have time to get to it? Once it comes unhidden, Joe can jump in and comment as he sees fit, or not.

We all have to make our own decisions about how to manage our own time, for productivity.

I'd like to respond, though, to my hypothetical representation of an alternative to the SSM formulation:

We know that there are at least some Jews in powerful positions. What we don't know, is how they might be operating. Also, we don't know how many powerful Crypto-Jews there might be. We can't be sure the SSM model is correct, therefore we should continue to call for DNA testing of elites to make sure the prevalence of Jews isn't higher than it should be.

It seems to me that we do know a great deal about how the Jews in powerful positions are operating, both now and in the past -- as described in the SSM model. And we know how the ones who are portraying themselves as non-Jews are acting. As to the problem of Crypto-Jews, all that is necessary for the SSM is for at least some of the non-Jewish elite to be genuinely non-Jewish. We also know a great deal about the genealogies of the elite, and in many cases these genealogies can be traced back five or ten generations without finding any Jews, or with only a small fraction of Jewish blood. This fraction of Jewish blood is to be expected in the elite "gentiles", as they have been intermarrying on a regular basis with elite Jews since the Roman era. There are a few instances where allegations of Crypto-Jewish influence seem highly plausible, but these instances are also consistent with SSM.

In light of all the above, the belief that DNA testing is going to reveal a huge conspiracy of Crypto-Jews seems completely unfounded, and the call for DNA testing in that context is a red herring.

So, the above hypothetical formulation of an alternative to the SSM doesn't work for me.

If skeptics of the SSM have any substantive basis for criticism, or any alternative formulation that we can all get behind, it's time for them to come forward. Joe? Loren? Ousia? Collectivist? Craig Bickford? Charley Prime? Is there anybody out there who will actually engage what we're saying, rather than just lobbing grenades in our direction?

 

[Jerry Russell]

A minor technical problem with my strategy to answer Loren's posts in order, is that I don't have a means to post-date his messages. If revealed, they show in calendar order. Rather than trying to preserve Loren's stuff in its original state, I'm going to just quote the relevant sections. To begin with, here:

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/the-history-of-jewish-influence

cut from red ice from above,

Andrew Joyce PhD is a scholar, speaker and writer with academic expertise in immigration, ethnic and religious conflict, and philosophy. Andrew sits on the Editorial Advisory Board of The Occidental Quarterly and is a regular contributor to The Occidental Observer. He also serves the British Renaissance Policy Institute in an advisory capacity and will be producing and editing a new journal for BRPI. He is in the final stages of preparing for publication Talmud and Taboo: Essays on The Jewish Question.


cut from above ;

we consider how the Jewish proclivity of exploiting weaknesses within the flawed democratic system, their fierce ethnocentricity, and deep fear of being racially and genetically disseminated has compelled them to intensely strategize against gentiles. Andrew talks about the cycle of greed within the monarchy system that led to numerous Jewish expulsions and the clever maneuvers that repeatedly brought them and their money back into the untouchable ruling elite fold. We also look at the current calamity of governmental errors driving Europeans to extinction and how Jews have contributed in shaping the demographic suicide of the West.


looking at history from all sides (free speech ) red ice just came out with this a good look at anti gentile history lH

 

[Jerry Russell]

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/the-history-of-jewish-influence

This Red Ice interview with Andrew Joyce is very revealing. First of all, it comes with a clear endorsement from Loren: "a good look at anti gentile history", he says. In the interview, Henrik Palmgren makes his enthusiasm for Joyce's ideas clear as well.

The first fifty minutes are basically a leisurely autobiographical tour for Joyce, describing various moments in his life that led to the accumulation of his present understandings. He mentions Kevin MacDonald as a major source of inspiration. Joyce argues that the Jews were often intimately involved with royal affairs, in the role of moneylenders if nothing else. From time to time, he points out, the Jews were expelled from various nations. His explanation is that the nobility got tired of making payments to Jewish banks, or perhaps they just didn't like Jews. Joyce mentions that he thinks the Jews, as a whole, were much better off than the European peasants, because of their position as "middle-men".

Our SSM model agrees with the broad outline here, but disagrees on several important aspects. First of all, Joyce sees the Jewish community as being highly cohesive, and entirely made up of a class that benefited from being "middle-men" for the nobles. What he is neglecting here, is that Jewish society is also highly stratified. I don't remember any stories about the Rothschilds leaving their wealth equally to all Jews in order to elevate their status. On the contrary, throughout the middle ages, the vast majority of Jews were crammed into ghettos where they were desperately poor, and the Hofjuden did little to help them. Modern Israel is a prosperous country with an average family income said to be about $3800 in 2008, but this is hardly a level of legendary wealth.

When the pogroms and expulsions came down in medieval times, and even through the WWII Holocaust, I doubt very much that the Rothschilds and other Hofjuden were directly targeted. The wealthy usually land on their feet, with notable exceptions caught up in the pitchforks. But the plight of the average Jew was every bit as grave as depicted in "Jewish intellectual history". And furthermore, an important aspect of these pogroms and expulsions against the Jews, was the hatred of the common Catholic serfs, originating from the New Testament and whipped into a frenzy by the European nobility.

Shockingly, Joyce says that Jews, collectively, need to be held responsible today for frauds committed by Jewish bankers and hedge fund managers. The justification given, is that these businessmen make gifts to the ADL, which somehow is said to benefit all Jews. I'm sorry, folks, but this is just nuts.

At fifty minutes in, the fireworks really get started. Joyce says that we are in a time of "unprecedented" and "immense" danger, facing an "eminent demographic catastrophe". He says the Jewish role in this is significant, but no so much as some people think. Mainly, he believes that a rotten tree was planted in the 20th century, which is now giving forth with the rotten fruit of "Poisonous Jewish Intellectualism." And the fruits are the "Social Justice Warriors", who have the "power to wipe their genetic heritage from the face of the world". These are "middle-class zombies" who are "creating havoc".

This is US Joyce is talking about here, people! Rick and me, "Social Justice Warriors" because we aren't enthusiastically buying white supremacist bullshit. I thought Joyce hated the Jews!! No, it's ordinary white people he detests the most; that is, if they give any support to the sort of liberal ideas expressed in any number of human rights declarations, or the US constitution. F**ing zombies aren't even human. Well, pardon me for taking this personally.

Where does this idea come from, that white people are going to disappear from the face of the earth? A fear of cuckolding, that white women prefer to mate with swarthy Arabs and Chicanos? Gentlemen, if you're having trouble finding a woman, start by looking in the mirror please... it's not entirely the culture's fault.

Seriously, white people may be making choices to restrain the overpopulation problem, but this concern about the disappearance of the white race is just absurd. The world population of caucasians is still over a billion.

Next, Joyce reminds us that he doesn't like immigrants, either. He says they are not refugees, they are "not fleeing anything but a mediocre existence created by their own culture." Obviously their plight has nothing to do with colonialism, not to mention decades of US bombing runs, and war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. All their own fault, obviously. And I am not meaning to minimize the possible problems that can result from bringing in war-hardened and healthy young Jihadists and getting them apartments in Munich. But let's not confuse cause and effect here, and let's not throw the Jihadists in the same pot with all the women and children.

Joyce finishes up the hour with a little homily to the good old days, when European peasants were landowners, before they sold their land to industrialists. Wait a minute, when was that? The European peasants were serfs on land that belonged to the Lord of the Manor, right? But, Joyce thinks that at one time, the common people were landowners, but now they're not; so this is why they don't care that Europe is being "invaded" by immigrants. There could possibly be a little bit of truth to this in America, with the idea that any pioneer homesteader could get 40 acres and a mule from the government. But in Germany and France? I just don't see it.

Our Postflavian view is that the 'peasants' and middle classes are all basically in the same boat, being exploited by the elite nobility. Whereas Joyce is calling for hatred against middle class liberals and Jews and embattled Arabs. In the 2nd hour they say they're going to talk about 'Trumpism', which presumably extends the hate to chicanos and blacks.

Anything to keep the focus away from a valid analysis of the problem!!

Allan, are you out there?? This is what 'misdirection' looks like.

 

[Richard Stanley]

Sounds like Joyce got his doctorate in the Ukraine.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I'd like to add another project to the list. As a comparison to the notion that Jews have taken over the USA, at least, we should compare if it is rather more true that The Catholic counter-culture has taken over from the traditional and decent WASP control. Here we must distinguish between real denominational Protestantism, which is moribund and on its death bed, from such as various forms of jungle spiritualism, known today as evangelicalism and Pentecostalism (really Crypto-Catholicism). I will even allow, for the sake of this analysis that the Episcopalians can be counted as Protestant, even though this is Crypto-Catholicism as well.

Let's go down the short list of The Catholic Coup, of which Vatican II (inducements to intermarriage) and the sacrifice of JFK dramatically brought about:

• The current Vice President
• The current President was a community organizer for The Catholic
• Clinton attended Jesuit Georgetown
  
• The last Speakers of the House including Paul Ryan
  
• 5 current Supremes
• A huge block in Congress
• A massive number of jungle culture Christians in Congress
• Same problem for the military
• The Klan seems to have dropped its focus on The Catholic
• Reagan recognized the Vatican as a country, how can one have two masters?
  
• The Oracle of Omaha and Gates are Catholic
• The Kochs are uberCatholic
• What about all the talking heads on TV?
  
• Where does it end? Is the Oracle of Kansas a Crypto as well?

It's well known that The Catholic introduced rampant alcoholism, industrialized prostitution, and organized crime into decent WASP society.

WASPs of America, wake up. Wake before it is too late.

 

[Jerry Russell]

I'm OK that traditional denominational Protestantism is moribund. We need to get Catholicism and Judaism similarly discredited.

 

[Richard Stanley]

I wonder where the Jews are in this story: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2015/05/opus-dei-the-vatican-pentagon-connection/