Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

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  1. duane hennon

    duane hennon New Member

    this kind of puts Easter into a different perspective

    Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

    In another interview with his longtime atheist friend, Eugenio Scalfari, Pope Francis claims that Hell does not exist and that condemned souls just "disappear." This is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of Hell and the eternal existence of the soul.

    The interview between Scalfari and the Pope was published March 28, 2018 in La Repubblica. The relevant section on Hell was translated by the highly respected web log, Rorate Caeli.
  2. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    The following is the conclusion of an article discussing "HellGate".

    The Catholic news outlet says Scalfari also has a history of misquoting or reconstructing things the pope did not say. This was apparently Scalfari’s fifth meeting with the pope, per the Catholic News Agency, and the journalist writes recollections of “unrecorded and unnoted meetings,” the National Catholic Reporter reported.

    What’s been the reaction to this story?
    Whenever the pope speaks, the world listens. And this case was no different given the subject matter.

    The reactions, at first, were wide and ranging — from seriously confused to light-hearted. Some people chimed in with their takes on the whole debate under the hashtag #HellGate.

    Despite Catholic leadership casting doubt on Scalfari’s account of the interview given his history of using his memory — again he is 93 — to quote the pope without relying on notes or recorded audio, some journalists noted that the Vatican did not deny the story as false.

    Bottom line: no one knows.

    What do you think — do you believe hell exists? Do you believe Pope Francis was merely misquoted?


    One might wonder at why the pope allows such an interview format that lends to the creation of such controversy.

    BTW, the original Jewish notion of the afterlife was that everyone, good or bad, went to lay around in this place called sheol. There was nothing to do there and nothing to look at, but maybe you could tell jokes? Not much of an incentive or disincentive for one's earthly behavior. The Christian version of the afterlife seemed to restore the general notion of the Egyptian version, as much of the Christian theology did generally in resurrecting the Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set schema under different names.

    A new book, From Yahweh to Zion, briefly discusses sheol as one component of a designed coherent schema of so-called "normative inversion" from surrounding cultures. In this construction the new, jealous and genocidal, Yahweh god is modeled upon the Egyptian god, Set (or Seth). And the book discusses that Christianity restored the prior theological schema, all the while curiously retaining the Jewish strata via the Old Testament. Curious except to those who created Christianity and Judaism and us.
  3. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

    In another interview book, 'Politique et societe' with Dominique Wolton, Pope Francis reportedly said: "Of course, I'm in a cage at the Vatican, but not spiritually. Nothing frightens me."

    What sort of cage is this, anyhow? Is Francis afraid to speak directly to the crowd at St. Peter's, and tell them that he doesn't believe in Hell any more? Is he reduced to humming "Die Gedanken sind frei" quietly to himself? And then speaking in whispers to his 93 year old friend?

    What is there for him to be frightened of? Is he saying he could meet the same fate as JFK or Julius Caesar? And if he's truly worried about such a thing, there's nothing he can do about it?

    Indeed, I'm inclined to believe that the Janus-faced Pope is seeking to appeal simultaneously to the more liberal and conservative sectors of the Church.

    What does he really think? I'm reminded of this sequence in the HBO series "Young Pope", where the Pope tells his confessor that he doesn't believe in God. And then a moment later, he says he was joking. Except that his first statement was said in all seriousness, and wasn't funny at all.

  4. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    The mirror (reverse) image of Trump eh?
  5. Jerry Russell

    Jerry Russell Administrator Staff Member

  6. Richard Stanley

    Richard Stanley Administrator

    Thank Dogod that our President says (albeit incorrectly) that he invented Fake News.

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