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Richard Stanley

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James Carroll merely interprets things in the Western manner, attributing eliminationist anti-Semitism to the RCs, as if the RCs wanted to convert all Jews. A fundamentally modern misconception!
Apparently you read a different version of the book. He goes to great length to explain that all RC theology and policy are directed towards making sure Judah ever exists. They are simply too useful to the Western construct. There is no reason for Jesus sans Satan.
Martin Bernal is son of Stalinist J Desmond Bernal and is of Jewish background. It is part of the attempt to attribute Nazism to exclusively German origins, rather than e.g. seeing the effect of the Secret Elite Milner Group and Freemasonry based in England - whose influence culminated in WW1!
Huh?

Either the Romantic Movement, baseless in any evidence and rigor, came out of the Hanoverian university system as its very first product or not. I don't care who Bernal is a son of.
Well it is certainly true that they used Marx and would later use Marxism - most effectively though via the Frankfurt School, the Cultural Marxist Clown College (CMCC).
Once again, you fail to deal with the real dialectic, the veiled one, and focus on the common and superficial. You focus on the fronts rather than those who sponsor the fronts.

I don't get the "correct principles"?
Nazism here is a secondary effect. The ferment was not created by Wilhelm II but by the Milner Group surrounding Germany by getting Tsarist Russia into a war with Austria-Hungary. The basic cause of Islamic Jihadism today is in reaction to Anglo-American interference - and this includes oil so is not just the Zio state. German interference in the Ottomans before WW1 was minor by comparison.
That's your interpretation. Once again, you fail to deal with the real dialectic, the veiled one, and focus on the common and superficial. You focus on the fronts rather than those who sponsor the fronts. You ignore the implications of divide and conquer.

There is contiguous continuity from the time of the initial Ottoman / Max von Oppenheim orchestrated call to Jihad and today.

Once again, you fail to deal with the real dialectic, the veiled one, and focus on the common and superficial. You focus on the fronts rather than those who sponsor the fronts.
This is more allegorical since any RC Freemasonry is of lesser extent than Protestant Freemasonry, as the former realized the Freemason threat.
You mean the recognized the threat which they were steering.

Once again, you fail to deal with the real dialectic, the veiled one, and focus on the common and superficial. You focus on the fronts rather than those who sponsor the fronts. You ignore the implications of divide and conquer.
Answer: the financial 'monarchs' of course.
What does this answer? I don't even know how to respond.
No, because the elite cabal of Freemasons and bankers espouse an ideology embracing absolute atheistic determinism (Sam Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens and Daniel Dennett) or religious monotheistic absolutism where God knows the future absolutely. The implications are the opposite to those of Fascism/Nazism, which instead asserts, as I do too, the fundamental DISORDER of the universe.
Ah, Ordo ab Chao.

Otherwise this sounds like a recitation of political talking points. To analogize, today Trumpublican pols are going out and recapitulating 'socialist' Obamacare (which was a recapitulation of Romneycare, a Republican proposition of economic fascism if there ever was one). But, in any case, they are now to the left of the corporate Dems.
 

Seeker

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Nicholas De Vere would inform you that his clan were indeed of superior quality and virtue, a literally distinct and exalted gens,
and that it was a nobles duty to be noble to his lessers, in the conventional gentlemanly gentle context.
Am I understanding this correctly, or taking it too literally, do your consider the late Nicholas de Vere and his "clan" as role models for the rest of us? Also, do you think that perhaps he exited to a "Hidden Resort", as Edward may have?
 
Seems I have to be an excited monkey rather than Lost in Spacetime's miserable Dr. Smith - but it is a better choice!
Claude wants to hop from one kaleidoscopic branch of the 'Trees' (of Knowledge and Jesse I guess) to another, not gnowing that all the branches come off the same trunk. His historical Führerprinzips were all tools of others in pursuit of the big agenda, supposedly created by beings that Claude has thankfully (to us) admitted are merely their own 'social construct'.
However, I have to take issue that all the branches of the Trees of Knowledge come from one trunk. When humans evolved and spread across Earth they lost old knowledge and discovered new knowledge. Human experience and thought is multi-trunked and has been since the first humans lost contact with one another through spreading out somewhere in Africa. As for the Tree of Jesse I presume it to be allegorical for humans having one common source, confirming the above account of multitrunked knowledge on a single trunk origin from Australopithecines.

Hence you make a category error in lumping even GWB with 'Kinder Gentler Fascism' when it comes to ideology...
As such, his ideal Kinder Gentler Fascism (which George W. Bush proffered) will be managed overtly or covertly by the same power brokers, as with the fake Democracy we currently employ. As such, how does the advocate of one honestly critique the other, without being deluded?
...since he is a product of the ever-manipulative Anglo-American elites which promoted Fascism for other countries but do not want it for themselves because either it would oppress the English-speaking locals still further or would only be used in a truly desperate situation fighting a Marxist-Leftist-Anarchist takeover - as happened post-Lenin in much of Europe and then in the Spanish Civil War. (I.e. you are just using 'fascism' in the vernacular all-embracing dismissive sense of 'militant far-rightist' as anarchists do).

I had to look up the internet about Pogo, since that comic strip did not occur in my newspapers in Australia. I note he is an opossum, a marsupial, which gives him some vague Australian connection.
As Pogo said, "I don't give a fig for ol' Newton", similarly I don't give a figging damn about Einstein, at least regarding our major terrestrial interests.
That's a good start as you have also done below, where the name you are thinking of is Hendrik Antoon Lorentz (not to be confused with the New Guinea explorer Hendrik Albertus Lorentz who discovered the Dani Highlanders while ascending Mt. Trikora, 4,700 metres high, in the early 20th century).:)
I have heard that the GPS system does not employ Einstein's transforms (for maintaining positioning accuracy adjustments), but rather those of his mentor's (whose name I can never remember - Lauritzen?). I don't have the time or energy to research and verify this claim.

I have problems with the Big Bang, but it is quite interesting how the sequence of the 7 'phases' of Creation otherwise track fairly well with such as Evolution and such. Who gnew?

I'm not sure if either Pogo or Fig Newtons are known in Australia.
That's right. The Big Bang is a parody of evolution since from the Big Bang everything "evolves" i.e. is cranked out deterministically like a movie reel. There is no genuine emergence from a disordered infinite universe, but merely Lemaitre's 'Grandfather Atom', the 1920s Catholic version of the Big Bang. And thus do the Christians allsorts love the Big Bang, while Fig Newtons are known in Australia, though I have never eaten one.

However the single-trunkedness of your perspective on knowledge implies that everyone else with some different idea to the West (e.g. myself) is actually controlled by various Western thinkers hence you keep replying to my indications with a stereotyped phrase.
Once again, you fail to deal with the real dialectic, the veiled one, and focus on the common and superficial. You focus on the fronts rather than those who sponsor the fronts.
The real dialectic is then presumably merely to uncover the supposed SINGLE trunk of human knowledge and experience?

Let us also analyse my point that "The basic cause of Islamic Jihadism today is in reaction to Anglo-American interference". I referred here to the obvious cause being the reaction to Anglo-American interference. You are quite right however in indicating that the Anglo-American-Zios utilized this rage by using the idiots who practiced it as e.g. tools to attack Syria. But, other than the Saudi and related elites, these Jihadists are NOT conscious tools of the West, but think they are recreating the original Islam. Hence they require massive education and understanding to see what's going on - but as in the main they are obviously not amenable to that they have to be slaughtered in large numbers. Likewise the evangelicals & Zios in the West when they engender WW3. Thus is human knowledge not trackable to a single trunk, even though humanity's history has taken place upon ONE Earth (with a wink at the Moon)!

Rather, multitrunked, human knowledge to be effective needs a sound ontological basis that recognizes the multiple independent trunks and exposes the hidden agenda of imagining that there is one single trunk.:cool:

The key to genuine understanding is to accept that difference has an absolute basis. IOW that matter, space and time are ontologically distinct from one another so cannot be scientifically combined as spacetime and space-time-matter because the latter concepts render history absurd. The revolutionary's hope to "make poverty history" has for the last century been entirely perverted by the Einsteinians (such as Dr Schlock) into "make history poverty". That's why the capitalist system is not only dying, but the Left, preaching egalitarian democracy, cannot discover a formula to bring about a recovery.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Apparently you read a different version of the book. He goes to great length to explain that all RC theology and policy are directed towards making sure Judah ever exists. They are simply too useful to the Western construct. There is no reason for Jesus sans Satan.
I stand by my position since the "making sure Judah ever exists" is even more central for Protestantism too.

However I realize now that my words: "attributing the Nazis' eliminationist anti-Semitism to the RCs" misled you, since I failed to put in the words in red, leading you to conclude that I was claiming that Carroll was asserting a general Catholic desire to be rid of Judaism and Jews once and for all (even other than by conversion). Sorry about that.

Yet James Carroll misrepresents the overall situation, since the supposed Nazi extermination plan arose from the special circumstances after WW1, not mere 'logical' extrapolation from RC teaching!

The Kaiser suppressed anti-Semitism as WW1 broke out, only the political freedom with his overthrow post-WW1 allowing traditional anti-Jewish feeling to surge forth to unprecedented fury, especially with prominent Jews gaining political influence in Weimar - e.g. Walther Rathenau! The RCs had long protected humanity from Jewish dominance, the Protestants the exact opposite as they have merely enabled the latter. Carroll can only draw an improbable line from effective RC control of Judaism to Nazi eliminationist anti-Semitism. To discuss Protestant philo-Semitism seriously ist VERBOTEN in the Western world!
There is contiguous continuity from the time of the initial Ottoman / Max von Oppenheim orchestrated call to Jihad and today.
Again a secondary question as he was caught in the Middle East when war broke out in 1914. His call for Jihad was to encourage the Ottomans to attack Russia to draw off its forces from the Eastern Front, especially after the Battle of Tannenberg with the routing of the two largest Russian armies! The underlying cause was, once again, the Anglo-American-Zio elites starting WW1. As for jihads, there have been many in the past before WW1, the target varying throughout history - Syria being the big one in the last decade!
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When I wrote an answer: "the financial monarchs" Richard replied incomprehendingly.
What does this answer? I don't even know how to respond.
When you mentioned "That the hidden imams of Euro monarchy paradoxically sponsored the 'anarchist', Neoliberal libertarian economic model of the Austrian School. Cui bono?" I replied "the financial monarchs of course."

Are then the "hidden imams of Euro monarchy" not Western financiers supporting Neoliberal libertarian ideas - and nowadays that would include supporting rabble-rousing color revolutions e.g. in Libya, Ukraine and Syria? We have to understand that it is the Judaeo-Christian elites who are the primary threat to human survival today. For example, Stalin told Ribbentrop during the formation of the Nazi-Soviet Pact that if "we stick together, Britain and France [and the USA] cannot touch us." Clearly Putin and Xie Jin-ping have discovered likewise - but without the ideological cleavage, and thus to the West's puzzlement and outrage, irrespective of whether one is a 'rightist' Trump-chump or a 'leftist' Chomsky-chump.

The difference between 1914 & today is that between Britain and Germany in WW1 and the USA and China in 2020! So WW3 will be big indeed - but then may be aborted very quickly as the devastation mounts in less than a week after the first ICBMs are thrown!

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Richard Stanley

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Other than Seeker's brief post, I'll have to delay responding till I finish another priority, hopefully today.

Am I understanding this correctly, or taking it too literally, do your consider the late Nicholas de Vere and his "clan" as role models for the rest of us? Also, do you think that perhaps he exited to a "Hidden Resort", as Edward may have?
I don't remember if he claimed they were role models or not. I should also have added that it was his claim that they were exceptionally exalted, not mine. But, his genetic claims are actually in support of one aspect of Claude's thesis. He claims his De Vere's are more diligently inbred than the rest of the Euro-nobility, all to maintain the alleged genetic differences granting them special mental powers akin to the Biblical.

As to the Hidden Resort, I'm not sure what reason that would be deployed for him, unless one thought that some sort of immortal or near-immortal Highlander thesis was in play. Then to hide their 'immortality', they would need to vanish for a period of time before somhow returning as an descendant adult. One would need to have a literal tag-team to be swapped in and out, acting as the subsequent descendant.

In this regard, there is the theory that our genes and their telomeres (the end caps on chromosomes) contain a biological clock, thus that our lifespans are limited the same as a woman's reproductive cycles. Without such a limiting mechanism, the body is remarkably self-healing in most ways, and as proof of concept: lizards can even regrow tails and such, thanks to their exceptional genes. Plants do the same and our DNA is supposedly littered with all sorts of sequences from them.
 
AOK here.
...the Pope is a Hidden Imam, not some excuse to divert us by waxing on higher branches of the same tree, these branches forming useful social constructs (albeit cynical), just as the Jews of yore and lore had been.

I was merely employing this as a device to suggest that the papal overarching role was in plain sight to some and hidden to other flocks.
But when I wrote of Protestantism "liberating" the Jews' activities into high finance...
Which Protestants are you talking about? Not all are fundamentalists, and most fundamentalists are fundamentally not fond of Science. Even the Pope has his own Science panel, with real scientists on it. But, like traditional Catholics will you tell me that the Mother Church has been taken over?
...I did not include pre-Napoleonic Lutherans but rather was referring to Calvinists and Anglicans. The philo-Semitic (Zionistic) trend is found among conservative and fundamentalist Protestants alike, almost always among the leading strata, who thus tolerate even some smaller Protestant churches giving support to Palestinians for example.
Just as SMOM Knights of Malta play a role in Catholic society today, so did their ancestors of the Hospitallers and Templars. Usury? The Templars invented modern banking, which ultimately had to be turned over to the Jews, consonant with their traditional, legally prescribed (by the Vatican) role in Christian society as the 'professional' and monopoly merchant class (also the convenient scapegoat, buffer class).
Such secret societies as the Templars, as you rightly indicate, could not ultimately survive because the Catholic Church had delimited moneylending to the Jews, Christian moneylenders being MORE ruthless and vicious because they, unlike the ever-cautious Jews, could justify their malfeasance thru Jesus Christ!:D

But far more important is the search for correct principles - and the need to be particularly intolerant of e.g. Chump-Einsteinians.
With some exceptions to pedestrian Logic and such, Materialism's Cause and Effect, or the lack of it, plays rather little in our revisionist, metanarrative, historical analysis.
I think however that you will find these fundamental and correct principles vital, since "revisionist metanarrative historical analysis" will not function without it.
I would not change my mind on this even if you told me that Time folds back on itself, is circular, or whatever.
Glad to hear it :)- as this means a primary resistance on your part to the 'circular reasoning' logic peddled by chump-Einsteinians like Dr Schlock!
Plato was suggesting wise, so-called philosopher-kings, not the craven ones of history including fascism. I'm dubious that he would agree to your norms of succession to the throne.
I'd have to agree but there has been much more history since his time - and it has taught us a few lessons.
Oh, I forgot, you've reverted to Election by the 'worthy' Electors (not the rabble of the demos). Are these from the 12 tribes of Hebrews circled around the Sun king's throne and the 24 elders? This described in the last book of the Christian canon?
Some of the ordinary mass of people become worthy electors when they understand the correct principles. Very few are like this today as they are dominated by the 'science' [sic] - Einsteinian and Marcusian (both Einstein and Marcuse being Jewish) - espoused by our Dr Schlock, a horrid pointy-eared clown parasitizing the brain of at least one otherwise honest and enlightened person on this website!o_O
Nicholas De Vere would inform you that his clan were indeed of superior quality and virtue, a literally distinct and exalted gens, and that it was a nobles duty to be noble to his lessers, in the conventional gentlemanly gentle context. But alas the besmearched charges against Edward's repute.
How true. All peoples living beyond the stage of tribal egalitarianism have had some of 'nobility' but the question is how to set up a just system, finding the correct people abiding by the correct principles to be the nobility - as opposed to the hypocritical pan-levelling ideology of anarchist (= consistent Leftist) thought.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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Seeker

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there is the theory that our genes and their telomeres (the end caps on chromosomes) contain a biological clock, thus that our lifespans are limited the same as a woman's reproductive cycles. Without such a limiting mechanism, the body is remarkably self-healing in most ways, and as proof of concept: lizards can even regrow tails and such, thanks to their exceptional genes. Plants do the same and our DNA is supposedly littered with all sorts of sequences from them.
Are there any scientists (or others) working on "adjusting" these telomeres, and thus our biological clocks?
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Dear Seeker, adjusting the length of telomeres...
Are there any scientists (or others) working on "adjusting" these telomeres, and thus our biological clocks.
...is being worked on by some scientists. However the real danger from prolonging or maintaining the length of telomeres is that the cells can become immortal. For human beings this means the major risk of cancer - since cancer cells generally do NOT have age-shortened telomeres, which of course is the reason that telomeres evolved in the first place i.e. to prevent cancer.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Richard Stanley

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From latest to earlier:

One can prolong the age related shortening of their telomeres by engaging various life-style modifications, and I believe that people who seem to have genetically longer life spans tend to have longer telomere chains per their age. As such, I don't believe that long telomeres play much role in cancer, as opposed to short or shortened telomeres may be possible. I haven't stayed up with anti-aging / age prolongation for about a decade, but there are other genetic factors involved.

A good resource is www.lef.org , which also includes cutting edge treatment protocols for most major illnesses, from conventional to alternative. They also sell a lot of advanced supplements in this regard.

Maybe this isn't a good topic for Planet of the Humans? Maybe for Planet of the Elite Humans? :rolleyes:
 

Jerry Russell

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Maybe this isn't a good topic for Planet of the Humans?
I just moved the discussion about Einstein and relativity, from here to the older thread. Moving and editing this stuff is a lot of work. So, let me suggest that the Zio-nazi conversation continue in this thread. And that if there's further interest in discussing life extension, telomeres etc., that we start a new thread for that purpose.
 

Richard Stanley

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But when I wrote of Protestantism "liberating" the Jews' activities into high finance...
...I did not include pre-Napoleonic Lutherans but rather was referring to Calvinists and Anglicans. The philo-Semitic (Zionistic) trend is found among conservative and fundamentalist Protestants alike, almost always among the leading strata, who thus tolerate even some smaller Protestant churches giving support to Palestinians for example.
Mmmm
The Medici and their Florentine peers were active at least by the mid-15th century. Maybe the Catholic ecclesia in competing Venice encouraged such as the Calvinists and the Jews to disrupt such as the Florentine's? All while they were simultaneously sponsoring the foundling Jesuits in opposition.

Hmmm, where have I heard this ploy before?

I think however that you will find these fundamental and correct principles vital, since "revisionist metanarrative historical analysis" will not function without it.
Just testing you. I am fully on board with "this leads to that".

You and Einstein have problems with frames ... and boxes.

From a historical perspective it doesn't matter tremendously to me, at this point, whether "Out of Africa" is false or if there are separate strands. They likely join back to an even older common thread, unless you now believe in McCarthy's hupig and chimpig theory, or aliens?

WTHI Dr. Schlock?

I just moved the discussion about Einstein and relativity, from here to the older thread. Moving and editing this stuff is a lot of work. So, let me suggest that the Zio-nazi conversation continue in this thread. And that if there's further interest in discussing life extension, telomeres etc., that we start a new thread for that purpose.
Ahhhh!!!

I was going to rename the entire thread. But I hadn't groked the name for it.
 

Seeker

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The Medici and their Florentine peers were active at least by the mid-15th century. Maybe the Catholic ecclesia in competing Venice encouraged such as the Calvinists and the Jews to disrupt such as the Florentine's? All while they were simultaneously sponsoring the foundling Jesuits in opposition.
1534, the year Ignatius of Loyola founded the Jesuits, seems to have been a very significant year for "religion":

 
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Indeed they, the Medici, Florentines and other city dwellers of northern Italy were edging towards capitalism
Mmmm
The Medici and their Florentine peers were active at least by the mid-15th century. Maybe the Catholic ecclesia in competing Venice encouraged such as the Calvinists and the Jews to disrupt such as the Florentine's? All while they were simultaneously sponsoring the foundling Jesuits in opposition.

Hmmm, where have I heard this ploy before?
But free market and mercantile capitalism required Protestantism to 'liberate' it since Catholicism restricted business by maintaining e.g. the "fair wage" notion. Laissez-faire did not arrive until Protestant permissiveness. Catholic businessmen in Protestant countries, notably Holland, also benefited and profited, leading to business in Europe relocating to Protestant countries!
Just testing you. I am fully on board with "this leads to that".

You and Einstein have problems with frames ... and boxes.
Indeed, but our positions are diametrically opposed.
From a historical perspective it doesn't matter tremendously to me, at this point, whether "Out of Africa" is false or if there are separate strands. They likely join back to an even older common thread, unless you now believe in McCarthy's hupig and chimpig theory, or aliens?
The human lineage via Australopithecus certainly arose in Africa. The only big fossil issue now is the status of Gigantopithecus which was recently claimed by protein analysis to be closer to orangutans!

Oh dear. Didn't you watch TV as a kid????
WTHI Dr. Schlock?
Dr Schlock is a parody character based on the TV character Dr Spock from Star Trek combined with the very earthly, very real child psychiatrist Benjamin Spock. I regard Dr Schlock as a manifestation of a largely-modern-Jewish brain disease afflicting Jerry: Dr Schlock being both the relativity-affirming Dr Spock from Star Trek and the pro-infant-sexuality Dr Schlock as a supposed child psychiatrist-parody of Benjamin Spock.

However, my parody is unkind to Ben Spock since as far as I'm aware he did not fall substantially for the Marcuse, Adorno & Reich Frankfurt School line; rather, I'm implying here (perhaps falsely) that Jerry's brain disease, Dr Schlock, still has him advocating such Frankfurt School moral degradation.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 
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