Part 1, the Futurist Apocalypse is Now

Richard Stanley

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The following video below is another lecture of Veith's on the central role of the RCC in the unfolding NWO. Of which, both he and I link this to the unfolding End Times, albeit in my case it is an unfolding human created script rather than part of a divine plan. The tableau for today is typologically the same as the explicit Novus Ordum Seclorum ordained for Octavian Augustus Caesar by the writer Virgil in his famous Fourth Eclogue. In this panegyric document, the son of God (and god to be himself) Augustus was also proclaimed Prince of Peace, among other apropos titles, and Virgil is thus lauded in Catholicism as an honorary Christian. No doubt because some body understood the real origin of Christianity.

With this post, let's focus on some basic economics principles, the central tension in Western life for many centuries now and still today, magnified by the Orange Beast.

Just before 54 minutes Veith segues into a huge exposition on RCC economic theory from Aquinas on. What he clearly demonstrates, by his quoted references, seemingly runs 180 degrees counter to the Church's prior historical stances in unflinching support for the prerogatives of the monarchical elites at the helm of feudal society modeled after that put in place by Joseph and 'Pharaoh' in Genesis 47. With the onset of the liberalizing influences of the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, Mercantilism, the Industrial Revolution, and then Capitalism, the Roman Church urgently needed a response to the festering plight of former rural serfs turned overworked factory workers, to at least appear to stay on the economic moral high ground. And to mitigate against existentially Church threatening revolution.

While I had been aware of the so-called Liberation Theology of Cardinal Bellarmine from the 18th century, I had not been aware of what Veith presents in the Church's furtherance of that, as well as Aquinas's earlier positions. The result here is that the RCC stakes out a reasonable middle ground economic position, rejecting the extremes on both sides. At the end of the day, it is then left with the underlying theme that it rejects those extremes as being 'godless' a convenient justification for its raison d'etre. On the far left is 'godless' Communism, and its mirror on the right is essentially 'godless' extreme Capitalism (perhaps its 'false' and merciless god being Randy Mammon).

My ignorance on the greater aspect of these Church positions has previously left me irked at the occasional dissonance of finding myself on the same side of Church in many of its economic positions, and simultaneously opposite far-right Catholic individuals. The reconciliation of this seeming paradox can be found in witnessing and acknowledging the Church's historical playing on both sides of political and economic issues, either directly or through its proxies. To balance its 'liberal' Liberation Theology, it has supported Fascism by the likes of Mussolini, Franco, the Perons, and more covertly that of Hitler (who carried the agenda of Lady Fatima's Second Prophecy against godless Communism).

Of course, Ayn Rand (and thus so-called Rational Selfishness) was a godless atheist as well, so staking out the reasonable middle ground is left for Team God (or from Veith's religiously biased perspective -- Team Lucifer).


Where Veith lays out that the Church is wanting to stake out a (Postflavian :rolleyes:) middle approach between Communism and Capitalism, he unfortunately gets lost in the apparent 'overzealous' execution of such derived overbearing government policies in his South Africa. But such overzealous execution of such government policy and regulation is more likely designed to achieve deliberate outcomes, and should not be attributed the original reasonable positions. Veith, being a white 'native' of South Africa complains that the 'new' black government is persecuting SA whites, but this cannot be found in the Church doctrines that Veith references.

He loses the quoted point of Aquinas in that one person's extreme needs for survival's sake justifies the taking of another's excess property (not all or any property).

All irony is lost when, near the end of this section, he virtually tells us that God's revealed plan (in Revelation) is to give each worthy man his eternal estate, by his grace. This is how all Earthly land was awarded in conquest, including in his 'native' Africa. After working up his Canadian audience in the video, he informs them that he has already prepared himself psychologically by mentally letting go of his Earthly assets, because he know that God has said they will be confiscated, and that God will restore even more to him at the end. The circular logic and contradictions are insane, yet the factual dots that he has provided should be duly noted. Either God is rendering everything moot while on temporal Earth or not.

Again, he spends much time in laying out how the RCC plays all sides in their Hegelian Dialectics, but he is blinded from his 'pure' Christian POV. Maybe ... there is another, deeper game afoot.

I had only just pondered whether Veith was playing his audience, when Jerry had discovered that one of Veith's fellow Seventh Day Adventists was wondering if someone might ponder the same thing, only from the perspective of being a more typical denier of all historical dots whatsoever:

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The harm done to Adventism’s name by such unscrupulous conspiracy evangelism and “scientific” creationism might tempt one to offer an elaborate counter-conspiracy theory (“thesis and antithesis”) to explain Veith himself. What better way for the secret societies to disorient Adventists and discredit the Adventist church, after all, than to dispatch someone like Veith expounding in Adventism’s name about how Nelson Mandela and Joseph Stalin are spiritual brothers in the same “club” controlled by Rome? Or how the Freemasons working at the bidding of Rome may well have journeyed to the moon in the 1960s in search of the lost technology of the antideluvians, since the pre-flood civilization of the days of Noah “surely got there” first? Is it really just a coincidence that “Veith” is the Germanized name for Vitus, who was one of the Fourteen Holy Helpers of the Roman Catholic Church and who also happens to be the patron saint of actors?

But of course the only sane answer to this question is, yes, it really is just a coincidence. To understand Walter Veith requires no conspiracy theory. What it does require is deeper understanding of fundamentalist expressions of Adventist apocalyptic identity nearly two centuries after their original formulation. It also requires, it seems to this observer, some theological discernment of the meaning of Christ’s words in the Gospel of Matthew: “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” ...

https://spectrummagazine.org/article/news/2011/10/31/dark-fantasy-world-walter-veith

The writer of the quoted article mentions the irony of Veith, and even more ironies abound. For one, Adventism's 'name' was harmed long ago by its initial failing in predicting the End Times to happen on a particular day long ago. Besides its foundational attachment to apocalyptic prophecy, the canonic Saturday Sabbath, and vegetarianism, Veith, at least, is more open to seeing the current impact of the West's oldest institution, inherited and morphed from Imperial Rome, albeit distorted by his own still colored lenses. The Adventist writer of the critical article is an arrogant and 'faithful' consumer of consensus reality, and here one can see the current schism within Adventism where adherents of its original anti-Roman stance complain about the Adventist Church being infiltrated by proven Jesuits.

In the video Veith stakes out the position that Capitalism is Godly (and Protestant if not Adventist) by advancing the proposition such Protestant (aka Capitalist) states are the prosperous societies compared to Catholic states under the various 'statist' regimes imposed by Church doctrine post-Aquinas. But this position is only a half-truth, and is little more than a theocratic (if Protestant) re-statement of Rand. Veith assumes the typical 'romantic' view that the efficient success of pure Capitalism is best for everyone, even those who must deign by circumstance(s) to require magnanimous charity from such as Rand's driven hero's (if either assent to such that is). No rank and derivative speculators need apply? In Rand's romantic world, there are only creative and/or sweating heroes.
 

Richard Stanley

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In the video Veith stakes out the position that Capitalism is Godly (and Protestant if not Adventist) by advancing the proposition such Protestant (aka Capitalist) states are the prosperous societies compared to Catholic states under the various 'statist' regimes imposed by Church doctrine post-Aquinas. But this position is only a half-truth, and is little more than a theocratic (if Protestant) re-statement of Rand. Veith assumes the typical 'romantic' view that the efficient success of pure Capitalism is best for everyone, even those who must deign by circumstance(s) to require magnanimous charity from such as Rand's driven hero's (if either assent to such that is). No rank and derivative speculators need apply? In Rand's romantic world, there are only creative and/or sweating heroes.
And so how does this economic repositioning of the RCC fit into the Futurist End Times scenario, when the typically stated interpretation of original Protestantism (now only held by such as the fundamentalist evangelicals - who also mostly support Trump) was that the RCC was obviously the Antichrist. The Antichrist that would be defeated by the second [sic] Second Coming of Christ to launch the next 1,000 years of the next new age.

For here we have the paradox that the very Church that allowed us the Book of Revelation (approved for canonic inclusion at the Council of Nicea) thus advertises the prophecy of its own demise, in that same book. If the Church had not come to its senses and made its 'just' economic reforms, then that interpretation could still carry merit. Instead, we now have the Church arguing, rhetorically at least, for the working class and others, in contradistinction to the robber barons du jour, like Donald J. Trump.

With Agent Orange, we have a person who claims nominally to be a Presbyterian and evokes the worst and most extreme elements of crony Capitalism, even his Randian 'construction' hero motif is dubious and shaded in one scandal after another. But as I have pointed out in my Trump thread, despite the surface narrative, Trump's life is more influenced by Catholicism from his paternal grandfather's Bavarian Catholicism, his matriculations at Fordham and Penn, and the predominant influence of Georgetown alumni in the White House. The other large White House contingent from Goldman Sachs conveniently allows the Jewish/Christian dialectic to persist under the Nationalist/Globalist dialectic. More typological mapping.

Thus the Protestant's original script (hilariously supported by the original Jesuits in the first place) is flipped, leaving the fundamental rubes with their xenophobic nationalism, just like 2,000 years before.
 

Jerry Russell

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Just before 54 minutes Veith segues into a huge exposition on RCC economic theory from Aquinas on. What he clearly demonstrates, by his quoted references, seemingly runs 180 degrees counter to the Church's prior historical stances in unflinching support for the prerogatives of the monarchical elites at the helm of feudal society modeled after that put in place by Joseph and 'Pharaoh' in Genesis 47.
I think Veith is only able to portray the Catholic church as a Socialist or Communist organization, by foisting an epic level of selective out-of-context quotes on the audience. As you mention, Aquinas only allowed for the validity of expropriation of goods by and for the poor, in the case of extreme need for survival's sake. This is in article 7 of the "second part of the second part, question 66" of the Summa Theologiae. See:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3066.htm

But, article 1 of that question states that persons have a natural right to possessions, article 2 says that "human affairs are conducted in more orderly fashion if each man is charged with taking care of some particular thing himself", article 3 defines "theft" as taking of another's property secretly and in a manner contrary to justice, articles 4 and 5 say that theft and robbery are sinful, and article 6 says that theft is a mortal sin.

What Aquinas does not discuss, is that owners (especially the more wealthy and powerful ones) routinely take steps to protect their property against thieves and robbers (especially the ones who are starving and in extreme need.) So as a practical matter, the poor can only steal from the rich to the extent that the rich people, or the state, allow it to happen.

Veith complains that this is going on in South Africa, and that people are stealing apartments and cars as well as basic survival needs. But it hardly seems fair to blame Thomas Aquinas for this state of affairs.

Another highlight of Veith's analysis is his concern about Rerum Novatum, an 1891 encyclical by Leo XIII. The encyclical does begin by noting the plight of the working class. But far from embracing socialism, Leo says:

http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html

To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man's envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community.

It is surely undeniable that, when a man engages in remunerative labor, the impelling reason and motive of his work is to obtain property, and thereafter to hold it as his very own. If one man hires out to another his strength or skill, he does so for the purpose of receiving in return what is necessary for the satisfaction of his needs; he therefore expressly intends to acquire a right full and real, not only to the remuneration, but also to the disposal of such remuneration, just as he pleases. Thus, if he lives sparingly, saves money, and, for greater security, invests his savings in land, the land, in such case, is only his wages under another form; and, consequently, a working man's little estate thus purchased should be as completely at his full disposal as are the wages he receives for his labor. But it is precisely in such power of disposal that ownership obtains, whether the property consist of land or chattels. Socialists, therefore, by endeavoring to transfer the possessions of individuals to the community at large, strike at the interests of every wage-earner, since they would deprive him of the liberty of disposing of his wages, and thereby of all hope and possibility of increasing his resources and of bettering his condition in life.

What is of far greater moment, however, is the fact that the remedy they propose is manifestly against justice. For, every man has by nature the right to possess property as his own.
The encyclical goes on to recommend trade unions as a means for workers to negotiate better conditions. He recommends that employers should pay adequate wages, and give time off on weekends.
 

Richard Stanley

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I think Veith is only able to portray the Catholic church as a Socialist or Communist organization, by foisting an epic level of selective out-of-context quotes on the audience. As you mention, Aquinas only allowed for the validity of expropriation of goods by and for the poor, in the case of extreme need for survival's sake.
Veith's 'reaction' seems a typical knee-jerk response today when it comes to such economic issues, apparently as these viscerally cut close to the bone, so to speak. This while he is able to see quite clearly the duplicity of the Church playing historically both sides within divide-and-conquer Hegelian Dialectics on many other matters. Today it is Ayn Rand or the highway for the right zealots, despite the vast majority not being able to thrive long in such an actual environment.
 

Richard Stanley

Administrator
The following is proof positive that my thesis is true ... maybe. I mean this is Microsoft after all.

And below it should say instead, "Have we got an update for you!!!"

I'll bet the only Windows language available in the post-apocalypse update will be Esperanto.


REDMOND, WA—In a move designed to let users ignore crucial security and feature updates and get back to browsing Facebook and watching funny videos, Microsoft announced Tuesday that it will now allow users to delay Windows updates until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

When a user gets a Windows update notification, they’ll now have options to restart their computer at that time and apply the updates, pick a later time to apply the updates, or delay the update process entirely until the Lord returns in fire and glory to judge the living and the dead.

“We noticed everyone was simply pushing their update notifications as far back as possible, so we decided to let our users delay updates until the skies are rolled back like a scroll, the moon turns to blood, and the stars fall from the heavens,” a Microsoft representative said. “We are confident this will be a popular option among our customers.”

According to Microsoft, since the update was implemented earlier this week, nearly 98% of all Windows users have elected to delay updates until Jesus comes riding on a white horse with a sword protruding from His mouth and His robe dipped in blood. ...

http://babylonbee.com/news/microsoft-now-lets-delay-windows-updates-second-coming-christ/
 

Richard Stanley

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I thought about posting the following elsewhere, or making a new thread for it. Dueling Presidential robots, or sorts, at Disney World. Maybe this is why such as men like Julius Caesar (the OJC, the original JC) were not raised to god (or saint, or ...) status till they had expired.

The following excerpt is from a commentary written by former Congressman Steven Israel. He ends his lament by saying: "But maybe I’m living in Fantasyland."

How apropos to our Postflavian take on what cradle-to-grave Religion and larger Culture do for us. We become happily (or supposedly for most) framed into a fantasy world that we think, rightly or wrongly that is better than all others. And everyone living elsewhere is similarly framed, rightly or wrongly.

Israel doesn't discuss how we got to this polarized point, just that we have, and thus one is free to speculate that this is just organic "shit happening", that it is divinely ordained, or ... that this is part of a human guided process. Hundreds of years ago, those damned enlightened liberals broke up the neato conservative order of the Church and Monarchy, freeing serfs and Jews to move globally across the blue seas ... and run amuck in their new democratic order. Ironically, like the Republican Romans and the 'nationalist Jews' long before, eventually coming to think of protecting this new liberal order as their conservative virtue. The underlying, schizophrenic political incoherence now fraying, or made to fray, now serves the long suffering interests wanting to return the old order, as did the original Prince of Peace ... Octavian Caesar Augustus, and his later universal avatar, Iesous Christos.

Iesous Christos's human father, Joseph, was named for the original Joseph of Genesis fame, who collaborated with 'Pharaoh' to completely corner the Egyptian's free markets and end up placing all 'free' Egyptian into permanent bondage. After being moved around to their new homes, as if they were like later slaves in America, these Egyptians now paid Pharaoh and Joseph 20% per annum to work Pharaoh's and Joseph's newly cornered estates. As serfs. (See Genesis 47)

Upon the death of Cleopatra, Augustus and his imperial successors became de jure Pharaohs, with all the lands of Egypt becoming their private estates, or palatinate. They thought this economic system was so neato that they brought it to Europe, ... till those damned liberals fucked it all up.

Now, the 'conservative' evangelicals lay their serfer hands on the Beast of the Kool-Aide Sea, and after staring into the abyss (the 9/11 Memorial Fountain) the Pope has announced (in Madison Square Garden) that the son of Joseph has been born, once again.

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But the real sign of a nation polarized is 863 miles away, in Walt Disney World, in Florida. The happiest place on earth has a new and ugly battleground: the Hall of Presidents. There, to music that stirs the soul of patriots, presidential audio-animatronics are recognized individually. Warm stage lighting bathes their silicon rubber skin and they gesture via software and control cylinders. Even such barely remembered former chief executives as Millard Fillmore, John Tyler and Chester Arthur command the reverence of the audience.

Recently, however, there have been reported outbursts involving the Barack Obama and Donald Trump robots. A friend told me that when she took her two young children to the exhibition, there were cheers for Obama, followed by a chorus of hisses and boos. Then, cheers for Trump, triggering boos and hisses.

A YouTube video confirms another instance, when a protester chants “lock him up, lock him up,” as the Trump figure is recognized. The good news is that the robot is unable to shout “get him outta here!” and then tweet something inappropriate. The bad news is that a harried Disney World “cast member” — whose greatest worry up to that point was probably three-year-old who ate too much cotton candy vomiting in an aisle — is now a referee in a political protest in the hallowed Hall of Presidents.

What next? Deportations of the puppets featured in “It’s A Small World?” The “Jungle Cruise But Not To Shithole Countries?” “Dumbo The Flying Elephant Versus Wiseass The Donkey?” A police perimeter protecting the whirling saucers on “The Mad Tea Party?”

Yes, we are divided. But when our partisan passions seep past the gates to Walt Disney World, engulf the quaint facades of Main Street and burst into the Hall of Presidents, it’s beyond a divide. It’s more like a hemorrhaging of the simple values that kept us whole. It’s an infection.

What’s happening in Disney World is an important and often overlooked symptom of today’s “American anger.” It’s not just an economy that’s changing radically — automation, globalization, migration — and not just the sense that democracy has been sold to the highest bidder.

It’s also that the institutions in which we once sought solace have themselves been corroded. Sports has been tainted by drug abuse, the church by sexual scandal, the news media by our president. Now, you can’t even escape to Disney World. Now, even robots divide and disappoint us.

At the State of the Union, there is a line between ideologies, a border that typically meanders to the left or right of the center aisle that the president walks down until he reaches the rostrum. Now, however, that line extends almost everywhere. Even our football fields. ...

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/370991-the-happiest-place-on-earth-is-now-the-center-of-american-polarization
 

Richard Stanley

Administrator
The following is excerpted from an article discussing Putin's recent announcement of new Russian nuclear weapons. In his presentation was shown a graphic demo that was repurposed from a presentation in 2007 Russian documentary. The documentary was featuring "Russia's New Supper Missile System called "SATAN". In the original presentation it was stated that just one "supper" missile could destroy three American states, yet the graphic seems to show only the otherwise 'overkill' targeting of what seems to be the west coast of the Florida peninsula. Some have suggested US Centcom headquarters as the suggested target.

Of course, at some point after release from the mother missile, such "supper" missile would need to diverge to more scattered targets via their guidance mechanisms. As such, on the opposite shoreline of Florida is Mar-A-Lago, favorite haunt of the person that I have asserted, in Apocalpyse How, Part 1, to have been assigned the scripted Lifetime Actor role of the Futurist apocalypse's Beast of the Sea, who works for the scenario's Satan.

Of course, these seems to present a conundrum for the Revelation script, as to why would Satan take out his own flunky, Beast #1? There are a number of possible ways to resolve this problem. One would be that the Beast of the Sea would not be playing golf there at the time of this occurring. And/or that, as with a literal theatrical stage production, everyone on stage and "behind the scenes" is working (or 'playing' so-to-speak) for the same Boss. The 'Boss', as in "Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss".

To confirm that this is what was being symbolized in the 11 year old (at least) original graphics is that everyone knows that Mar-a-Lago has the best supper in Florida. I suggest that this is "the smoking gun" of collusion. :), and/or :( or :mad:, and/or :eek:, depending on the frame of reference.

From: https://www.polygraph.info/a/putin-new-missile-nuclear-florida-us/29081265.html
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The following day, Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov said his boss’s’ threat “wasn’t tied to any particular country.” Peskov denied the image in Putin’s animated presentation was the state of Florida, claiming it showed “absolutely arbitrary geographical outlines.”
Side-by-side image of V. Putin's presentation demo and the satellite image of the U.S. State of Florida​
“I repeat again, and the President said this: Russia is not going to attack anyone, and these weapons do not pose a threat to anyone who does not harbor the intentions of attacking our country,” Peskov said.
There are two claims in the Kremlin press secretary's statement that require fact-check and fall into the category of classic disinformation.
The image on display as the target of Russia’s new nuclear weapon during Vladimir Putin’s presentation was easily recognizable as the exact replica of a satellite image of the State of Florida available publically on the Geology.com Website.
Given Peskov’s implied threat against anyone who harbors “the intentions of attacking our country,” it is worth noting that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, speaking in Geneva two days earlier, on February 28, accused the United States of preparing “European countries for using tactical nuclear weapons against Russia."
As for Putin’s animated presentation and the satellite image of Florida, the same animation was first shown in a 2007 documentary made by Russia’s government-controlled television Channel One, which featured Russia’s new “invincible” ballistic missile system, called “Satan.”
Screenshot of the Russian 2007 TV documentary presenting the new missile system "Satan"​
Unlike Putin’s 2018 video demo, which stopped before the missiles reached their target, the Russian “Satan” in the 2007 animation hit its target and the video ended with simulated explosions over Florida. The narrator in the 2007 production said, in Russian: “Just one such missile is capable of simultaneously destroying three American states, like Maryland, Vermont and Rhode Island.”
This is not the first time Russian government-linked media have threatened the United States with “nuclear apocalypse.” Dmitry Kiselyov, the Kremlin’s chief propagandist and the head of Rossiya Segodnya, the international information agency that includes RT and Sputnik, once threatened on his TV program to turn the U.S. into “radioactive ash.”
 
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The following is excerpted from an article discussing Putin's recent announcement of new Russian nuclear weapons. In his presentation was shown a graphic demo that was repurposed from a presentation in 2007 Russian documentary. The documentary was featuring "Russia's New Supper Missile System called "SATAN". In the original presentation it was stated that just one "supper" missile could destroy three American states, yet the graphic seems to show only the otherwise 'overkill' targeting of what seems to be the west coast of the Florida peninsula. Some have suggested US Centcom headquarters as the suggested target.

Of course, at some point after release from the mother missile, such "supper" missile would need to diverge to more scattered targets via their guidance mechanisms. As such, on the opposite shoreline of Florida is Mar-A-Lago, favorite haunt of the person that I have asserted, in Apocalpyse How, Part 1, to have been assigned the scripted Lifetime Actor role of the Futurist apocalypse's Beast of the Sea, who works for the scenario's Satan.

Of course, these seems to present a conundrum for the Revelation script, as to why would Satan take out his own flunky, Beast #1? There are a number of possible ways to resolve this problem. One would be that the Beast of the Sea would not be playing golf there at the time of this occurring. And/or that, as with a literal theatrical stage production, everyone on stage and "behind the scenes" is working (or 'playing' so-to-speak) for the same Boss. The 'Boss', as in "Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss".

To confirm that this is what was being symbolized in the 11 year old (at least) original graphics is that everyone knows that Mar-a-Lago has the best supper in Florida. I suggest that this is "the smoking gun" of collusion. :), and/or :( or :mad:, and/or :eek:, depending on the frame of reference.

From: https://www.polygraph.info/a/putin-new-missile-nuclear-florida-us/29081265.html
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The following day, Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov said his boss’s’ threat “wasn’t tied to any particular country.” Peskov denied the image in Putin’s animated presentation was the state of Florida, claiming it showed “absolutely arbitrary geographical outlines.”



Side-by-side image of V. Putin's presentation demo and the satellite image of the U.S. State of Florida

“I repeat again, and the President said this: Russia is not going to attack anyone, and these weapons do not pose a threat to anyone who does not harbor the intentions of attacking our country,” Peskov said.

There are two claims in the Kremlin press secretary's statement that require fact-check and fall into the category of classic disinformation.

The image on display as the target of Russia’s new nuclear weapon during Vladimir Putin’s presentation was easily recognizable as the exact replica of a satellite image of the State of Florida available publically on the Geology.com Website.

Given Peskov’s implied threat against anyone who harbors “the intentions of attacking our country,” it is worth noting that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, speaking in Geneva two days earlier, on February 28, accused the United States of preparing “European countries for using tactical nuclear weapons against Russia."

As for Putin’s animated presentation and the satellite image of Florida, the same animation was first shown in a 2007 documentary made by Russia’s government-controlled television Channel One, which featured Russia’s new “invincible” ballistic missile system, called “Satan.”



Screenshot of the Russian 2007 TV documentary presenting the new missile system "Satan"

Unlike Putin’s 2018 video demo, which stopped before the missiles reached their target, the Russian “Satan” in the 2007 animation hit its target and the video ended with simulated explosions over Florida. The narrator in the 2007 production said, in Russian: “Just one such missile is capable of simultaneously destroying three American states, like Maryland, Vermont and Rhode Island.”

This is not the first time Russian government-linked media have threatened the United States with “nuclear apocalypse.” Dmitry Kiselyov, the Kremlin’s chief propagandist and the head of Rossiya Segodnya, the international information agency that includes RT and Sputnik, once threatened on his TV program to turn the U.S. into “radioactive ash.”
To play devil's (your) advocate: If your hypothesis holds (whether every apocalypse is a man made script or the next pseudo-apocalypse is just another false eschaton distorting Scripture) then...

"The beast (Trump/U.S?) receives a deadly wound, and the deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast, saying 'Who is like unto the Beast? Who is *able to make war* with him?"

Recall the scenario I outlined some time ago (Plan A in Case of A Hillary Presidency): provoke the eastern "Satan", absorb a first strike on military targets, respond to nuclear blackmail for population and economic resources by bringing space-based missile defenses and other covert assets off of stand down to nullify any long-range missile threat, then retaliate with virtual impunity & round up heretical dissenters from the new eschatological order as "Russian agents".

As to "Satan" killing his own "beast", wasn't it the will of God that Christ go to his death to inaugurate his Messianic kingdom in the Flavian hoax or revealed Word of God, the NT? Satan and the beast/antiChrist are analogues of the Father and Son in either case.

So your scenario is certainly plausible. Moreso than I believed at our last exchange.
 
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Richard Stanley

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Well, the Prodigal Dude has returned. Welcome back.

BTW, it took me a few moments to figure out what the '(your)' meant, but I get it. ;)

As to "Satan" killing his own "beast", wasn't it the will of God that Christ go to his death to inaugurate his Messianic kingdom in the Flavian hoax or revealed Word of God, the NT? Satan and the beast/antiChrist are analogues of the Father and Son in either case.
Good point. Yes, in this view the pairs seem to be two sides of the same coin, or like Janus, the two-faced god of Rome.

There are some who feel that this curious aspect of Janus relate to both looking forward and backward in time, especially apropos at the end and beginning of 'ages'. That, besides possibly symbolizing 'two-faced' deceit. Back in those times, as related by the late Cyrus H. Gordon, deception was more commonly regarded as a human attribute, rather than a vice, whether in either the goy or Jewish cultures. Gordon, a professor at Brandeis University, brought this up in terms of the Old Testament stories that he discussed in his books.

In any case, these aspects seem to me to fit well with the alternating (like days and nights) millennial periods of each age encoded within Revelation. (Hence the 2 X 12 = 24 elders circled around (the solar) God.)

In this last aspect, I have recently figured out what the significance of the number 144,000 is. I have not yet posted it, but it is a pretty amazing addition to Pythagorean sacred mathematics, and also relates to Plato's "music of the spheres'.
 
Well, the Prodigal Dude has returned. Welcome back.

BTW, it took me a few moments to figure out what the '(your)' meant, but I get it. ;)


Good point. Yes, in this view the pairs seem to be two sides of the same coin, or like Janus, the two-faced god of Rome.

There are some who feel that this curious aspect of Janus relate to both looking forward and backward in time, especially apropos at the end and beginning of 'ages'. That, besides possibly symbolizing 'two-faced' deceit. Back in those times, as related by the late Cyrus H. Gordon, deception was more commonly regarded as a human attribute, rather than a vice, whether in either the goy or Jewish cultures. Gordon, a professor at Brandeis University, brought this up in terms of the Old Testament stories that he discussed in his books.

In any case, these aspects seem to me to fit well with the alternating (like days and nights) millennial periods of each age encoded within Revelation. (Hence the 2 X 12 = 24 elders circled around (the solar) God.)

In this last aspect, I have recently figured out what the significance of the number 144,000 is. I have not yet posted it, but it is a pretty amazing addition to Pythagorean sacred mathematics, and also relates to Plato's "music of the spheres'.
I don't really disagree. Another aspect of Janus is that he is yet another mask of old Nimrod/Gilgamesh who apparently was passed off mythologically as Noah, surviving the old pre-flood world into the new, thus represented as looking backward and forward, bridging the two. In practice he embodied the philosophy of the lamented perished world that the hated YHWH destroyed. Hence the attempt to pierce the sky-dome with his monster tower and kill YHWH whose throne, in the bronze age world view, sat atop it.

At least that is the conclusion I reach from studying First Enoch and related Scripture and apocrypha. Indeed the "new world order" or "New Atlantis" is an attempt to resurrect that fallen world, whatever plan they use to enact it.

But even if all that is dismissed as fairy tale, the image of Janus is certainly referencing the *end of one age and the beginning of another*, probably in more than one aspect.

As for Revelation: at least one layer of meaning is that the 24 are the apostles and Hebrew tribal patriarchs, representative of "new covenant Israel" (note the twelve foundations and twelve gates of "New Jerusalem" with their names upon them). The 144,000 involves 12 in Hebrew gematria symbolizing organized beginnings, with multiples of 12 and 10 symbolizing superlative perfection of order. The message is that this new spiritual "Israel" under Jesus is going to be perfect, unlike the temporal Israel which foreshadowed it (even if that is a Flavian message). I of course deny that the One on the throne is "solar" but I concede that he certainly was at least reinterpreted as such by the Greco-Roman European world.

As to Pythagoras, Plato and their ilk:"sacred" geometry or math is really just geometry, considered or promulgated as sacred by those who monopolize knowledge because they think it makes them "gods", ruling over the "unititated" and therefore subhuman mass...but geometry is geometry, just as crackers are crackers whether or not one is Catholic. Me, I put them in soup.

Altogether though, 2070 as the grandaddy of eschatological false flags, a strong maybe.
 

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Some have suggested US Centcom headquarters as the suggested target.
Isn't that a completely sufficient explanation for the 2007 video? Or at least -- how can you argue that there's no plausible deniability here?

What I don't understand is: if this Satan/Sarnat missile has been known since 2007, and version II with range to fly over the South Pole was announced in 2016, then why is this being treated as news now? The nuclear drone submarine city-buster has also been discussed before.

I mean, I get that Putin's speech was newsworthy in itself. But the most important new technologies shouldn't have come as such a big surprise.
 

Richard Stanley

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Isn't that a completely sufficient explanation for the 2007 video? Or at least -- how can you argue that there's no plausible deniability here?
Well, of course that's a plausibly deniable 'sole' target, except for the fact that such MIRV missiles are designed for the multiple warheads to disperse to separately targeted destinations. And, therefore, because the best 'supper' in Florida is at Trump's Mar-a-Lago, which he owned back then; and was going to run for President back then (just ask Roger Stone); and the Russians knew this from the web of connections going back to Putin's KGB days of recruiting 'Western' businessmen.
What I don't understand is: if this Satan/Sarnat missile has been known since 2007, and version II with range to fly over the South Pole was announced in 2016, then why is this being treated as news now? The nuclear drone submarine city-buster has also been discussed before.
One plausible mainstream scenario is that Putin is merely using this to pump up his base for the upcoming election. But, as we have seen with 9/11 and now all the series of symbology being deployed around the Trump phenomenon, slipping in such references seems to be all part of the game, and/or ritual.
 

Richard Stanley

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I don't really disagree. Another aspect of Janus is that he is yet another mask of old Nimrod/Gilgamesh who apparently was passed off mythologically as Noah, surviving the old pre-flood world into the new, thus represented as looking backward and forward, bridging the two. In practice he embodied the philosophy of the lamented perished world that the hated YHWH destroyed. Hence the attempt to pierce the sky-dome with his monster tower and kill YHWH whose throne, in the bronze age world view, sat atop it.
Have you read my recent coverage of the resurrection of the X-Files, and its apocalyptic bent as the underlying subtext? One episode deals with 'Babylon' and the name 'Ziggurat' (as representing Nimrod's Tower of Babel). https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/x-files-season-10-11-and-the-end-times.2306/

As for Revelation: at least one layer of meaning is that the 24 are the apostles and Hebrew tribal patriarchs, representative of "new covenant Israel" (note the twelve foundations and twelve gates of "New Jerusalem" with their names upon them). The 144,000 involves 12 in Hebrew gematria symbolizing organized beginnings, with multiples of 12 and 10 symbolizing superlative perfection of order. The message is that this new spiritual "Israel" under Jesus is going to be perfect, unlike the temporal Israel which foreshadowed it (even if that is a Flavian message). I of course deny that the One on the throne is "solar" but I concede that he certainly was at least reinterpreted as such by the Greco-Roman European world.
Yes, 12 tribes times 12,000 from each tribe equals 144,000. At the end of each second, minute, hour, day, year, age, Great Year, the specific usage of that number is metaphorical, encrypting some other meaning than 12,000 literal dudes from each tribe. Just like the 153 fishies in the gospel (Pythagorean) net. I guarantee you that in all of history, written or not, there have never been exactly 153 literal fishies in any fishing net. :rolleyes:

Instead, as I have tried to explain on other threads, all of these biblical numbers, other than obvious mundane references, are part of the same knowledge base, and besides being geometrical, it is meant to refer to cosmology and the Sun. It doesn't really matter if it represents the underlying structure of Reality or not. It is what both the intelligentsia of the 'Jews' and the 'goyim' believed, and once one views the 'interlocking' breadth of the whole system it is actually very impressive. I believe I recommended you get a copy of Fideler's Jesus Christ, Sun of God, as a primer. And, the Sabbah brothers' (rabbis) Secrets of the Exodus (which is out of print and now expensive, so find online for free). The latter is rather convincing as to the Egyptian 18th and 19th Dynasty origins of Judaism, aka disguised 'solar' Atonism. This is why Freemasonry is heavily associated with both Judaism and Egyptian symbolism.

Ezekiel's imagery is clearly of a zodiacal nature, and somewhere on the forum I have a link to a great discussion of that. Also, I recently ran across a comment that asserts that the story of Gilgamesh is a clear reference to the zodiac.

As to Pythagoras, Plato and their ilk:"sacred" geometry or math is really just geometry, considered or promulgated as sacred by those who monopolize knowledge because they think it makes them "gods", ruling over the "unititated" and therefore subhuman mass...but geometry is geometry, just as crackers are crackers whether or not one is Catholic. Me, I put them in soup.
Crackers? And fish crackers perhaps? Did you read my Billy Graham thread?

Did those goy ilk monopolize knowledge any less than the Jews who encrypted all that similar crap in the OT and the kabbala (the very word of which is meaningful in terms of Egyptian theology)?

BTW, underneath a car park in Chester, UK is the ruins of the Roman fortress of Dewa. In the middle of that fortress was a temple in the shape of a vesica piscis, the interior of which was lined with 12 niches (evoking the Catholics' 12 stations of the cross). As I remember, the number of 153 (of the fishies) is central to the geometry of the vesica piscis, which is eerily like the secret fishy symbol claimed to have been used by early Christians. This fortress was built during the time that Vespasian and his brother were serving in Emperor Claudius's army in Britain, BTW.

At least once on this forum I have advanced a sub-theory that the contemporary Christian fundamentalists have been recast as the Jewish (fundamentalist) Zealots of Biblical times, towards the same end. This also dovetails with my other main thesis in the human synthesis of the Jewish / Gentile dialectic. For today's zeitgeist we now know the roles of both the Jesuits (in advancing the Futurist School) and Cyrus Scofield (in altering the meaning of the word 'generation') in establishing the mental framework of apocalyptic minded Biblical literalist / fundamentalists. The result of the Mosaic Laws radically inverted the target populace's 'culture' from that of their 'pagan' neighbors. Thus they became the special Chosen of God (never mind that they could never live up to their contract), and developed a persecution complex.

The reason I bring this last up, is that I just serendipitously watched the complete social dynamics play out anew, with such Chosen 'Southern Christians' while binge watching The Amazing Race (Season 8). 11 (or was it 12?) teams are pitted against each other in a race over a large portion of the globe. In this season, one family of 4, Christian fundamentalists, set themselves apart from the others socially, by various weird behaviors, being generally irritating to all the others, and then attribute the negative responses to them as because the others are jealous of their Chosen status. All the while they say nasty things about the others teams, pray to God to help them defeat the evil teams, etc.. Deja vu?

This is the same dynamic as is playing out now, and 2,000 years ago, all socially engineered. Billy Graham jacked his crackers ... and Franklin Graham is turning them into militant Zealots with AR15s.
 

Richard Stanley

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The introduction to David Redles's book, Hitler's Millennial Reich, opens with a great primer to the concept of apocalyptic End Times as to the definition of terms and then discusses the sociology of the concept, helping explain as to why there have been so many apocalyptic groups over time. Here, the common thread as to what crystallizes an apocalyptic movement, on a mass scale that is, is the suddenness, depth, and breadth of change imposed upon a society such that the respective society's "ordering factors" are seen to be no longer effective to such an extent that enough people become open to certain messaging, seen as prophetic and/or messianic. This was the case with the rise of Hitler, who explicitly announced that he was a prophet and he was indeed perceived as Germany's messiah.

As the book discusses Germany had undergone massive societal changes prior to WWI, from decades of industrialization and its resulting urbanization. All aspects of traditional German society were being assaulted by the forces of modernization, that impacted peoples perspectives on class, gender, generations, religion, and culture writ large. And then WWI hit, paid for by the Germans with monetary inflation that would carry over into the Weimar Republic. The Weimar government then being saddled with an insane amount of war reparations to the British and French, whose own war loans would become called by the Americans. And then came the Great Depression.

From Hitler's Millennial Reich, pg 3:

In some cases, apocalyptic movements arise in precisely those areas where the ordering factors are already weak.3 Many individuals in such circumstances are left with a profound sense of being lost, of being cut off from others, of having no sense of direction or meaning in life. They experience an inner or psychic chaos that is then projected back on the society, which in turn is viewed as being in a state of utter chaos, approaching apocalypse. The idea that Weimar Germany exhibited the converging catalysts that led to an experience of rapid and radical change that was subsequently interpreted by many Germans who became Nazis as a time of apocalypse is the focus of chapter 1.

Interpreting the chaos of rapid and radical change as a sign of imminent apocalypse, millenarians believe that the world has reached a historic turning point and that it is at a time that will witness either the end of the world or the birth of a New Order—a New Age of millennial perfection. This New Age is usually described as a period of perfect order, a changeless and, for the most part, eternal world. It is typically portrayed as a time without hunger and crime, without want or need, without disease, and, often, without death. It is this sense of perfection, of timelessness and changelessness, that links millennial notions all around the world. From a comparative perspective, then, we should not fixate on the specific number 1,000 but should focus on the idea of a perfect order to come. As I discuss in chapter 2, the Nazi conception of the tausendjährige Reich, literally millennial kingdom, was taken to be just such a perfect world, one cleansed of racial degeneracy, among other things.4

The followers of apocalyptic movements usually believe that they are an integral part of this historic turning point. Millenarians believe that they are not only witnessing the birth of the New Age but actively taking part in its fruition. For example, the Chinese Buddhist White Lotus millennial sect believed, as most millenarians do, that their historic mission would result in a profound universal transformation of the nature of society and humankind itself.5 This transformation means, in part, that society will be governed by a new system of values and human relationships. In other words, a new myth or world view will replace that of the dying contemporary society.

As such, perhaps reflect upon the conditions of today, where Americans have undergone their own similar sufferings (nowhere near to that of the Weimar Germans of 100 years ago), and now complain about their Cultural Degradation, white nationalists and neoNazis march about yelling "Blood and Soil", and now they have their (fake) orange-haired (Bavarian) messiah telling them that only he can provide the solutions.

The irony here is that the German traditionalists, who became the Nazis, would complain about the liberals assaults upon them as being American, that is when not complaining about the Jews being the cause. The actual cause was the near inevitable tidal wave of changes brought about by technology and industrialization. That Germany was in an imperial race with their imperial kissing cousins in England regarding exploiting global resources in their respective colonies didn't help matters. With England their Hannoverian royalty (George II) gifted Germany with the irrationalist Romantic Movement that would gloss the racist Nazi ideology.

Apologists for such as the Catholic Church claim incoherently that Nazism was born via the nihilism inherent to Materialist modernity, and to the paganistic Volkisch nature movement. But as Redles's book demonstrates, Nazism was a traditionalist reaction against modernity. Other recent works expose the claims against paganism as being any more of a source than Christianity. Many Nazis, including top ones were normative Christians.

Redles's book discusses these millennial movement foundations only in organic foundational terms, but why can the circumstances, to some degree, not be manipulated?

I also take partial issue with the interpretation of the specific number 1,000. For perhaps most millennial movements, this interpretation may indeed suffice, however I believe the Book of Revelation, at least, meant the term either literally or as shorthand for referring to zodiacal ages (or half-ages rather). The definitive proof is now the highly specific and unique September 23, 2017 alignment of the birthing Virgin.
 
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As many Christians have noted, the Book of Daniel's prophecies explicitly identify the main imagery employed as symbolically describing nations or empires. And that one should follow the same methodology in interpreting the Book of Revelation as the script being played out before us.

The subsequent website page I will excerpt discusses what I generally consider a decent interpretation, with some quibbles however. But first, let's re-examine Revelation 13 and the Beast out of the Sea, which i had surmised might be referring to Donald Trump. Here, in conflict with the symbology as nations methodology, is it possible that their is a riddle within a riddle?

With Trump, remember that the end of Revelation 13 mentions the Mark of the Beast, 666 -- in relation to Jared Kushner's aspects.

In any case, let's focus on the leopard, the bear, and the lion. Many Preterist only interpreters will claim that such as the 'bear' refers to the literal bears of Syria, but if the symbols can be projected forward in a Futurist interpretation, such a bear might be seen as the common euphemism for Russia. The Thomas Taylor Ministries site (excerpted below) goes on to discuss the 'lion' as being Great Britain, and relates associated eagle imagery (from Daniel) with the USA. This leaves the 'leopard', which a good case is made for it being a reference to Germany, a so-called Fourth Reich being the EU as one interpretation. Here, Germany is the main power inside of the EU, despite its relative military passivity.

The Beast Out of the Sea

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
(Revelation 13, KJV)​

Now lets look at the following interpretation, including from the related Book of Daniel:

3And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 8I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (Daniel 7, KJV)​

Let's first acknowledge that Daniel is dated to the time of the Hasmonian period, because of an anachronism in the text. From this is is thought by many to be referring to the overthrow of the Seleucid Greeks, and merely post-dated to the Babylonian Exile period to give it authority. In any case, the text of Daniel explicitly tells us that it is actually referring to nations and empires.

End of Part 1
 

Richard Stanley

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Part 2:

Taking into account my quibbles further on, here below is from the Thomas Taylor Ministries, http://thomastaylorministries.org/blog/daniels-lion-bear-leopard-are-modern-day-countries/ :

Because these beasts are symbols and the Bible did not give us the names of these kingdoms like It did in Daniel 2, the interpretation of these symbols is open. Therefore, one cannot say with absolute certainty what these symbols mean. However, as more of the end time scenario comes to pass, we will be able to the interpret the symbols more clearly. I believe we have enough of the end time players on the board to make the following conclusions.

The Lion as Great Britain
The first is the lion, which is Great Britain. The modern-day symbol of Great Britain is a lion. Great Britain came into being officially in 1707. Great Britain was once the major world power, having power over 1/5 of the world’s population. At their height, they were the largest empire in the world and held power for over 100 years. They were known for having a superior navy. But then their zeal to conquer and colonize the world waned and they went from being a voracious lion to having the heart of a man, which is more sensible and restrained.

What other evidence is there? Consider that the lion has eagle’s wings that were removed. What nation has an eagle as its symbol? The United States, of course. The United States separated from Great Britain about 250 years ago in 1776.

The Bear as Russia
The bear is the second beast which arises after the lion. A bear is a modern-day symbol of Russia. When the Berlin Wall came down, modern-day Russia was reborn in 1991. However, it is really a rebirth of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic originally birthed in the October Revolution of 1917. Russia is well known for its ability to devour much flesh as leaders like Lenin and Stalin killed several million people. The bear is raised up on one side with three ribs in its mouth. These three ribs may be the nations the final end-time Russia will conquer in an attempt to gain back former Soviet republics that it once held, such as Ukraine and two unknown others. So we can predict that Russia is on the move to take two more former Soviet republics which will cause a great deal of tension with the West. However, I believe that the West may put up little resistance once a catastrophe takes place like nuclear WWIII.

The Leopard as Germany

Germany’s Leopard Tank

The leopard is the next beast mentioned in Daniel 7. A leopard is not the official symbol of Germany. An eagle is the modern-day symbol of Germany. However, the eagle symbol in these prophetic passages has already been used almost certainly to describe the United States. So how can one learn who the leopard is? We have to look more closely at the passage. It says this leopard has four heads. So there must be four distinct kingdoms within this one kingdom. It also says it has the wings of a fowl. Therefore, another kingdom is associated with it.

Germany seems to fit best as being the leopard because of their ferociousness at war like a leopard on the hunt. In fact, Germany’s tank, that nearly helped them win WWII, is called the Leopard. The four heads are the four reichs (German for “empires”) of Germany. The First Reich was the Holy Roman Empire first ruled by a Frankish king Charlemagne (800 – 1806). The Second Reich was the German Empire under Otto Van Bismark (1870 – 1919). The Third Reich was Adolf Hitler’s rule (1933 – 1945). The Fourth Reich seems to be the European Union (1958 – present), an entity almost entirely held up and controlled by Germany and France. The Germans have a strong alliance with the French as the key players of the European Union. France’s national symbol is a rooster, hence the wings of the foul prophecy is fulfilled when these two nations come together.


The fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 – the birth of the New World Order

All of the reichs were/are attempting to unite Europe under one government and religion. They are attempting to recreate the original Holy Roman Empire which held so much power for over 1,000 years. The fall of the Berlin wall united East and West Germany into one nation again (and incidentally created modern-day Russia). This resurrection of Germany was prophesied in Revelation as the head that had the mortal wound but lived. Rev 13:3 KJV And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Germany was mortally wounded as a nation and was thought to never recover after WWII, uniting East and West Germany. But we know that it did happen which created the New World Order.

The identification of Great Britain and the USA seems very good here. With our Postflavian take, however, we must remember the history provided by Tupper Saussy in his Rulers of Evil and my additional take on his, that the formation of the USA, from its colonial days was carefully crafted .. by the Hidden Hand, a collusion of the Vatican (the real Deep State) and its controlled opposition, Great Britain.

If, we can allow my symbology within symbology method, and that Trump is indeed a form of 'beast' agent, then what can the following mean: "and his feet were as the feet of a bear"? That the feet of the Beast of the Sea's political foundation are the Bear's? As for the German Leopard, Trump is of Bavarian descent on the paternal side. Trump certainly has the "mouth of a lion", albeit his bite is not always as strong as his roar. But this last aspect breaks with the methodology, unless something better can be found.

The Russian equation to the Bear seems generally good, but I don't know that it makes sense to specifically identify it with the Soviet Union. This seems to me to be due to an influence of the Catholic Church and their propaganda efforts regarding the godless Bolsheviks and the Lady Fatima hoax. As far as I'm concerned it also applies to Putin's Russia.

Similarly, I think that the ultimate NWO is decades off, which the savior is to ring in. He was only born on September 23rd of last year, according to Revelation 12, so he needs some time to mature.
 

Richard Stanley

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Converging with the latest Postflavian schism revolving around contemporary Trumpian realpolitik, we can look at Revelation 17, which like the Book of Daniel does explain its major metaphors, as being temporal powers and kingdom/nations. Most relevant to my main apocalyptic thesis, that the hidden hand [sic] of himans [an interesting typo o_O] are indeed orchestrating the Futurist End Times before our very eyes. On a "slow roll", of course.

From Revelation 17 KJV:

The Mystery Explained

7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

The Victory of the Lamb

14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

In the above we can see that it is explicit that kings and kingdoms are being discussed as the reality of the metaphors. The red-highlighted verse 17 clearly explains that the so-called loving God, has placed into the hearts of the kings, like TrumPutin, to give their kingdoms unto the Beast.

In old-school Protestant exegesis, and contemporary Evangelical exegesis, the "whore of Babyon" is the 7 hilled city of Rome, with the papal crown being the Earthly crown over all other crowns. Like God who plays both sides of the fence (see Isaiah 45:7 KJV), so does the papacy, the title of Vicar of Christ literally meaning the serialized substitute for Christ. By extension, just as easily the city of Washington D.C. can be the "whore of Babylon", it being overflowing today with agents of Rome in the three branches of American government (the Protestant Reformation is so Yesterday). Washington D.C. is also said to have 7 hills, not so BTW.

To remind, I have discussed that the Bottomless Pit is the bottomless pit of the 9/11 Memorial Fountain, which Pope Francis paid homage to while on his way to the September 25/2015 mass at Madison Square Garden, where it was announced (in Spanish) from the reading of Isaiah 9 that the new savior was coming. Did the Beast ascend from out of the Bottomless Pit, NYC and start doing God's controlled opposition bidding?

"All the world is a stage."
 
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The last of verse 8 above is further proof that we are living witnesses to a cynical, human directed apocalypse. We are informed, in riddle-speak, that the beast "that was, and is not, and yet is", is not an actual mythic beast, but a human playing a role ordained to him. Of course, verse 9 is one which properly excites many to identify Domitian and his fellow emperors within one Preterist interpretation. And also consistent with Titus Flavius as the first Second Coming of Christ in 70 AD, exactly within "one generation" of the disciples, figuratively that is.

As I have discussed before, the heavens 'co-operated' with the Book of Revelation, so-to-speak, by having the Futurist Nativity occur on September 23, 2017, in exact accord with the depiction of the heavens in Revelation 13, an extremely detailed and precise description, a very unique [sic] alignment. By timing the production on Earth to "as it is in Heaven" will serve to entrain the pious and otherwise superstitious to participate in the production, the barely veiled agenda to deliver a new and singular order upon Earth. Per the fake divine script, all those in non-compliance, anything less than a pious serf, is to be cleansed from the Earth.

Perhaps we can typologically equate Trump with Herod the Great, and here now Trump has instituted the separation of refugee children from their parents, whom are seeking asylum from MS-13 caused violence. While MS-13's direct origins are in The City of the Angels, La Ciudad de Los Angeles, California, the gang members were deported to their original country of El Salvador. Uhmmm ... El Salvador, meaning literally: The Republic of the Savior. Trump and his ICE goons are violating American asylum laws while exploiting the innocents in the service of whipping up his Brown Stained Shirts.

Is this symbolically the Killing of the Innocents in the search of killing the Spanish speaking, infant Savior? The parents of the new savior fleeing to their typological Egypt, the USA?

Of course, the indirect origins of MS-13 go back to the good old days of the Central American drug wars of Reagan, Oliver North, GHW Bush and the CIA. In any case, note the MS-13 symbolic associations with the Devil. Create the Problem and Provide the Savior.
 
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Peter Levenda's The Hitler Legacy provides us with the critical building block to make sense of the seeming hash of the last few centuries of history including the present Trump tableau. What Levenda provided us is a means to properly place the Nazi phenomenon into its proper historical perspective, rather than the typical treatment of it as a random one-off creation of an idiosyncratic maniac. Levenda provides one critical piece of evidence with the role of Kaiser Wilhelm and his friend, Max von Oppenheim, in colluding with the Ottoman Turk sultan to initiate what we now experience as radical Islamic terrorism, but then as part of a WWI era strategy against the colonialism of the French and British within Islamic lands. But this 'project' did not end with WWI, but rather it has been redirected, first against the Communist Soviets and now 'seemingly' against the West, ... the Liberal West.

To show how cynical this stratagem was, the Germans had colonies of their own, just not within Islamic lands. Also, and critical to our understanding, is that the British royalty, the then Hanoverian-Saxe-Coburgs were 'Germans' like the Kaiser. Because of the suspicions at the time about the Hanoverian loyalties, they changed their name to the present day Windsors. They were suspected and known to have Nazi sympathies later as well. All this should be read into the realpolitik of such as the Balfour Declaration and the creation of Zionist Israel, the critical foil to instigate the Muslim world to extremist action. Create the problem in order to provide the solution, even if the solution takes a century or more.

Levenda shows how the initial project was taken over by the Nazis, including in the post-WWII period when thousands of Nazis made their escape from Europe to far flung places including the Middle East. And with this, it is important to understand that these escapees had the strong covert support of the Roman Catholic Church, which by understanding its historical social preferences provides us with the common thread that links the cycles of history together.

It is also during the post-WWII period that the Western intelligence agencies and militaries sardonically and cynically adopt the sponsorship role of Islamic terrorism from the Nazis via a slow transition as the OG Nazis slowly fade away. The rationalized justification is the common goal of defending against and defeating the 'godless' Bolsheviks, ... and conveniently anyone who is left of "far right" is such a communist, no moderate shades of gray allowed.

Thus we can see the entire Nazi milieu as a convenient front for a deeper interest, one which we can literally see submerging itself from the gameboard, but its various 'remnant' descendants not literally disappearing altogether. In fact, in recent years such as the Windors have been working hard at repopularizing themselves in the public eye, even allowing some dilution to their bloodline.

With the effective collapse of Communism decades ago, the shift of Islamic terrorism has been towards the West, and especially the USA, the vanguard of the 'liberal' excesses of 'modernity'. Not so coincidentally, the Nazis shared this specific hatred of the USA, at least in their rhetoric. But as well, this is a complaint shared with the traditionalists of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches, of whom are all monarchists by default. They hate Liberal Democracy, full stop. And as such they also hate (Liberal) Republicanism, whether it be the Spanish kind (of the Civil War with Franco) or the relatively 'conservative' American kind.

With this framework of analysis in place we can now easily see what the Trump phenomenon is all about, and as well why there is so much much collaboration from the American Vichy Right and Left. Look under the covers and one will most likely find either a Catholic or a co-opted Evangelical. The latter being co-opted via their Biblical literalism, especially their Futurist End Times beliefs, cuckolded to them long ago via the Jesuits.

If we can then see that the destruction of the modern liberalism of the "American Experiment" (and similar in the West) is the central organizing principle, as was the destruction of 'godless' Bolshevik collectivism, then the common motivational thread emerges which is a return to the desired social structure historically ordained by the Church and its canon, particularly that found in Genesis 47, namely feudalism.

And with this lens we can see that Trump's Samson-esque chaos is serving to put the capstone upon the hyper-polarization process started some decades prior. Such polarization not only led to enabling Trump's otherwise unlikely election, but his orgiastic furtherance of the process will lead to the complete lack of confidence in Liberal Democracy such that the grand 'experiment' will be declared an epic, and likely apocalyptic, failure. The offered solution will be a return to the old ways of the ancien regime described in Genesis 47, only this time on a much larger global stage.

In this light we can reexamine the inane rationalizations for WWI, that happened because the 'conflicting' royal house couldn't come to an agreement. They 'couldn't', or they 'wouldn't'? As David Redles explains in his Hitler's Millennial Reich the conditions of WWI and the following Weimar Republic provided the perfect circumstances for the Nazi apocalypse, and with Levenda's help we can see that the Nazi apocalypse has spawned the conditions for the next one that we are watching unfold before our very eyes.

We can also see that just as Nazism was a veiling 'front' we can see that Communism, the extreme version of Socialism, was also such a veiling front, meant to ultimately destroy liberalism and socialism, as it also is an existential threat to monarchism and the Church. In this context Wolfgang Waldner's analysis in the provided link fits right in.

It is also in the light that we can see Vladimir Putin's NeoFeudalism operating in Russia, where the former 'Communist' has made his bed with the Russian Orthodox Church, and his industrial oligarchs pay their fealty to him. The new Feudalism is industry based and not land based, and thus Hitler's fascist regime can be seen through the same lens, the 'Socialism' in the Nazi name was a clever misdirection. As Redles and others have explained the Nazi 'socialism' was directed towards a spiritual context, not a temporal one.
 

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Although the names and rationalizations are constantly changing, a consistent theme in this thread is the elite quest towards authoritarianism, racism and patriarchy. Hitler and the Nazis may have been unusually shameless in their advocacy of that worldview, and their "submergence" after WWII represented something of a return to the modern status quo. But their ability to survive and even thrive in the postwar era, is a graphic illustration of the fact that the Nazis had powerful allies all over the world.

A very astute commentator named 'Zardoz' at the emptywheel.net blog was participating in a thread about the role of patriarchy in cases of child sexual abuse. He said:

Zardoz said:
The patriarchal system has placed women in a bad spot, but not just from the overt power dynamic, but also from adding on top of what seems to be all of our primal psychological hard-wiring. So, especially after being indoctrinated so from childhood merely being perceived as being (dominant or) submissive (regardless of sex) as to one’s posture, mannerism, movements, choice of words and tone, etc. make a subconscious impact on the way all others perceive and respond you. And, how even how you perceive yourself.

Perhaps the easiest and most dramatic way to see the truth of this is to watch the Dog Whisperer show, where the naughty doggies, as crude analogs for ‘bad boys’ (to some extent) do not see their humans as ‘leaders’, but rather as being weak and unworthy of their good behavior. Thus, the Dog Whisperer spends most of his time teaching the clueless humans to be “calm and assertive” leaders, with dramatic results.
I believe that this is a powerful insight. We put ourselves in great peril when we lose site of our underlying biological nature. The human race is a species of animals, not angels or gods or disembodied intelligences. The human species is a member of the taxonomic family of great apes (perhaps with some hybrid admixture of pig). As such, humans are biologically predisposed towards patriarchy, hierarchy, territoriality, tribalism, materialistic acquisitiveness, and violence. All these behaviors are clearly manifested in surviving indigenous peoples, and are evident in the most ancient surviving archaeological records. As we try to build our modern technological civilization, this is the raw material we have to work with.

And I am not saying that humans don't also have innate capabilities for the opposite behaviors: matriarchy, egalitarianism, generosity, and peacefulness. All these behaviors are exhibited by members of other various mammalian and primate species, given appropriate circumstances. But if we want to understand ourselves, we need to recognize and understand our essential nature as biological creatures. And to a large extent, cultural factors are primarily acting to moderate and mitigate the negative basic biological predispositions of human animals, as well as to accentuate the positive.

While we like to think of ourselves as a unique species (and so we are), and while we might like to think that our closest relatives are the peaceful Bonobo, in fact we can learn a lot about ourselves even by looking at our familiar pet species. In this vein, Zardoz pointed out that women and children and even beta males can benefit by observing the behavioral stance of dominant animals, and learning to emulate that stance. As such, Zardoz was clearly intending to offer helpful advice.

Unfortunately, the host ("Rayne") and another participant in the discussion at the emptywheel blog post, took offense at Zardoz's scientifically accurate observation, and the matter was then dropped as a hot potato. Rayne said "I’m trying not to be offended by the comparison of pack animal behavior to women and children who have been marginalized by patriarchy", thus making it clear that although she understood that no offense was intended, nevertheless she did take offense at this deviation from acceptable, politically correct discourse.

Another poster, known (post facto) as "Eureka", said that the negative behaviors of patriarchy are "relentlessly codified and guarded in all elements of (here, our) culture, notably language, organized religion, law, science, media", as if we would all behave as perfectly ethical beings if only it weren't for those negative cultural influences. Here, Eureka has clearly gone off the rails. The Ten Commandments, for example, are clearly culturally-invented directives promoted by organized religion. Would it be necessary to prohibit murder, theft, and lying (false witness) if those behaviors weren't part of human nature? The prohibitions on adultery and coveting of one's neighbor's wife, however archaic, seem highly relevant to today's issues with sexual harassment of women.

Eureka went so far as to fulminate that Zardoz was trying to "stake some natural-rights claim to assholiohood and worse." And there are some conservatives who would make just such an argument: that because patriarchy and hierarchy come naturally to human beings, society has no business trying to interfere. Eureka must have thought that Zardoz was "dog whistling", so to speak.

More later... this may seem like it has nothing to do with this thread's topic, but I will make the connection...
 
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