Part 1, the Futurist Apocalypse is Now

Richard Stanley

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Xian ministry wonders if we are at the 7th Trump-et of Revelation (see comment at the end of the video). These are people that supported Trump, for his rhetoric, and now with the bombing of Syria, have started to ponder whether Trump was really on their team, or is he being manipulated by the .... Globalists.

Note how the second guy gets a little scary, in stating how he prefers the 'madness', a psychological evidence of just how 'Fear', religious based or otherwise, re-focuses the mind -- for better or worse. Thank You Jesus et al., for all the craziness. "The better to ring in the Next New Age (World Order) pilgrim."

In any case, here are more Xians that can't figure out their holy book is globalist from start (Genesis) to finish (Revelation).

 
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CplCam

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It's hard to know what the change means - a delay, a total bluff, or what? I saw an account shortly after the announcement that the Israelis really have other priorities. And of course, there are other issues of major contention between them and the Palestinians, like the building of settlements and new housing units.
Don't know if it's been noted at PF yet but this was interesting.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-historic-first-russia-recognizes-west-jerusalem-as-israels-capital/
 

Richard Stanley

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Good catch, no I hadn't seen it.

It's an interesting ploy by the Russians given that it made within the framework of the two-state solution. I wonder how the Palestinians have reacted?
 

Richard Stanley

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OMG!!! :eek:

And BTW, the Church just canonized the two other Fátima siblings, of the Lady Fátima Prophecy fame. The second Fátima prophecy was used by the Church to induce global Catholics to come join Hitler's fight against the godless Communists of Stalin and those secular 'bastard' Republicans fighting Franco in Spain. And they used Lady Fátima to rally Vietnamese Catholics and others to agitate the Vietnamese / French situation, which the USA got stuck with ... again.

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Reuters reports that the mural was posted on a wall on a street named “Way of the Bank of Holy Spirit” across the Tiber River. ...

http://punchng.com/donald-trump-kisses-pope/

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But what is that odd graphic with a halo? Is this the Logos? Is this .... Space Jesus? Remember in the NT that Jesus went to the desert and hung out with his fallen brother, Satan, before making his fateful sojourn to Jerusalem. "Father has revealed a 1,000 years for you, and a 1,000 years for me, a 1,000 years for you, ...."

Note that 'golden orb' behind Franky's head, and that it is the same shade as 'Satan's' hair dye. Barbiero claims that these orbs are clearly solar references, and I agree - even asserting that these link us back to Atonism and Ra, at least.

Is that a sunburn below, or some ruddy skin?

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Richard Stanley

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As I was watching a video about James Clerk Maxwell, the following 23 minute presentation came on to interrupt, as if a commercial.

It presents, from a religious perspective, many of the same points I have been making, and here linking Trump to the Roman Church's agenda. The discussion regarding the "end of Protestant protest" dovetails exactly with what I've been saying, albeit I say that the 'protest' was a contrived sham from the beginning.

 

Jerry Russell

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In the video above, Trump talks about ending the rule against churches taking political positions. It shows both Trump and Hillary cozying up with religious leaders both Protestant and Catholic. But I don't see how this is going to work. Republicans and Democrats are seeking to whip their constituents into a hateful frenzy. Doesn't this mean that the churches will have to sort themselves out into conservative vs. liberal camps?

In this next video, Kurt Nimmo talks here about growing divisiveness leading to civil war.

 

Richard Stanley

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In the video above, Trump talks about ending the rule against churches taking political positions. It shows both Trump and Hillary cozying up with religious leaders both Protestant and Catholic. But I don't see how this is going to work. Republicans and Democrats are seeking to whip their constituents into a hateful frenzy. Doesn't this mean that the churches will have to sort themselves out into conservative vs. liberal camps?
I don't understand your argument Jerry. What does Reds and Blues whipping up their bases into a frenzy have to do with Trump and Hillary cozying up to the Church? The churches, especially RCC and mainline Protestant, are all amalgams of conservatives and liberals.

I agree with Nimmo's position that all this is being contrived.

And, I have been thinking in terms of historical typology (under my cyclic millennial construct), that we should indeed be looking at Trump as a Julius Caesar (and thus also with the play) type whose civil war will deliver the Kushy imperium (as Octavian). Also, as I have drawn typological comparisons between Roman era Jewish Zealots and today's American alt-right zealots, we can also see the millennial timing between the Conquest of Canaan and the conquest of the Americas, and everything that came after. Thus the period of the 'judges' roughly equates to the American colonial and republic periods, just before the dawn of the respective new millenniums.

As the Americas were controlled by a Catholic Protestant schism, this parallels our contention of the False Dialectic between Classical Greeks and the Jews. The former was remote controlled from Rome and London, while the latter was remote controlled from Thebes - hence the real need for secret societies.
 

Jerry Russell

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I don't understand your argument Jerry
It wasn't an argument, it was a question or puzzle. I agree that the existing denominations are all mixtures of conservative and liberal. Now if all the preachers are empowered to endorse candidates and positions from the pulpit, wouldn't we expect to see the congregation members sort themselves out and going to a red or blue church of their preferred denomination? And, how is the hierarchy going to manage the conflicts?
 

Richard Stanley

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Now if all the preachers are empowered to endorse candidates and positions from the pulpit, wouldn't we expect to see the congregation members sort themselves out and going to a red or blue church of their preferred denomination? And, how is the hierarchy going to manage the conflicts?
Yes, I'm sure that some disaffected church members will be inclined to seek a new home. During the American Civil War the denominations actually split along north / south lines, over slavery. But, now the divisions are not so neatly geographical.

The hierarchy will manage the conflicts the way they always have. Through the sub rosa influence of the secret societies and/or the pulpits. With a much higher percentage of the various churches making ecumenical friends again with the Mother Church this is even easier.
 

Diana Lee

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Hmmmm. I was unaware that "end times" theology was created by Jesuits. My research had led only to Darby and his "dispensationalism" in the nineteenth century. This led to publication of the Scofield bible by Oxford U. and the creation of Moody Bible Institute and Dallas Theological Seminary. The 1970's NYTs bestseller, The Late Great Planet Earth, helped disperse end times thinking around the nation/globe via DTS grad, Hal Lindsey who,used to be on the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ ---- a fundamentalist campus behemoth and a consultant to American presidents regarding the middle east. OMG!!!
 

Jerry Russell

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Hello Diana,

Welcome to our forum :)

Here's a web page that documents the Jesuit origin of the futurist school of Bible interpretation:

http://biblelight.net/antichrist.htm

Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) was a Jesuit doctor of theology, born in Spain, who began writing a lengthy commentary in 1585 on the book of Revelation (Apocalypse) titled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij, and published it about the year 1590.... according to Ribera, the 1260 days and 42 months and 3 1/2 times of prophecy were not 1260 years, but a literal 3 1/2 years, and therefore none of the book of Revelation had any application to the middle ages or the papacy, but to the future, to a period immediately prior to the second coming, hence the name Futurism.

Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, one of the best known Jesuit apologists, published a work between 1581 and 1593 entitled Disputationum Roberti Bellarmini De controversiis Christian fidei adversus hujus temporis hereticos, (Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of the Christian Belief Against the Heretics of This Time), in which he also denied the day = year principle in prophecy and pushed the reign of antichrist into a future period of 3 1/2 literal years.....

Manuel De Lacunza (1731–1801), a Jesuit from Chile, wrote a manuscript in Spanish titled La Venida del Mesias en Gloria y Magestad ("The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty"), under the pen name of Juan Josafa [Rabbi] Ben-Ezra about 1791. Lacunza wrote under an assumed Jewish name to obscure the fact that he was a Catholic, in order to give his book better acceptance in Protestantism, his intended audience....

Edward Irving (1792-1834), a Scottish Presbyterian and forerunner of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, translated Lacunza's work from Spanish into English in a book titled The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty with a Preliminary Discourse, published in London in 1827 by L.B. Seeley & Sons, which included Irving's own lengthy preface....

Margaret McDonald, a 15 year old Scottish girl, and member of Edward Irving's congregation, had visions in early 1830 that included a Secret Rapture of believers before the appearance of the Antichrist. She informed Irving of her visions by letter. Irving then attended the prophecy conferences that began in Dublin Ireland in 1830 at Powerscourt Castle, where he promoted both Futurism and a Secret Rapture....

John Nelson Darby (1800–1882), a Church of Ireland clergyman, later with the Plymouth Brethren, also promoted Futurism and a secret rapture. Darby attended the series of meetings on Bible Prophecy that began in 1830 at Powerscourt, Ireland, and at these conferences Darby apparently learned about the secret rapture as revealed by vision to Margaret McDonald, and promoted by Edward Irving, and he soon visited Margaret MacDonald at her home in Port Glasgow, Scotland.

 

Richard Stanley

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Hmmmm. I was unaware that "end times" theology was created by Jesuits.
The next blog post in this series is supposed to discuss this.

In response to the Protestants' claim that the papacy was the 'Antichrist', the newly founded Jesuits came up with two mutually exclusive answers, which the church endorsed at the same time. These were the Preterist End Times School and the Futurist End Times School. You can have your cake and eat it.

Of course, I go even further and claim that the various 'reformations' were contrived as cynical 'divide and conquer' schemes. The better to conquer the New World with.
 
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Diana Lee

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Hello Diana,

Welcome to our forum :)

Here's a web page that documents the Jesuit origin of the futurist school of Bible interpretation:

http://biblelight.net/antichrist.htm

Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) was a Jesuit doctor of theology, born in Spain, who began writing a lengthy commentary in 1585 on the book of Revelation (Apocalypse) titled In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij, and published it about the year 1590.... according to Ribera, the 1260 days and 42 months and 3 1/2 times of prophecy were not 1260 years, but a literal 3 1/2 years, and therefore none of the book of Revelation had any application to the middle ages or the papacy, but to the future, to a period immediately prior to the second coming, hence the name Futurism.

Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, one of the best known Jesuit apologists, published a work between 1581 and 1593 entitled Disputationum Roberti Bellarmini De controversiis Christian fidei adversus hujus temporis hereticos, (Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of the Christian Belief Against the Heretics of This Time), in which he also denied the day = year principle in prophecy and pushed the reign of antichrist into a future period of 3 1/2 literal years.....

Manuel De Lacunza (1731–1801), a Jesuit from Chile, wrote a manuscript in Spanish titled La Venida del Mesias en Gloria y Magestad ("The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty"), under the pen name of Juan Josafa [Rabbi] Ben-Ezra about 1791. Lacunza wrote under an assumed Jewish name to obscure the fact that he was a Catholic, in order to give his book better acceptance in Protestantism, his intended audience....

Edward Irving (1792-1834), a Scottish Presbyterian and forerunner of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, translated Lacunza's work from Spanish into English in a book titled The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty with a Preliminary Discourse, published in London in 1827 by L.B. Seeley & Sons, which included Irving's own lengthy preface....

Margaret McDonald, a 15 year old Scottish girl, and member of Edward Irving's congregation, had visions in early 1830 that included a Secret Rapture of believers before the appearance of the Antichrist. She informed Irving of her visions by letter. Irving then attended the prophecy conferences that began in Dublin Ireland in 1830 at Powerscourt Castle, where he promoted both Futurism and a Secret Rapture....

John Nelson Darby (1800–1882), a Church of Ireland clergyman, later with the Plymouth Brethren, also promoted Futurism and a secret rapture. Darby attended the series of meetings on Bible Prophecy that began in 1830 at Powerscourt, Ireland, and at these conferences Darby apparently learned about the secret rapture as revealed by vision to Margaret McDonald, and promoted by Edward Irving, and he soon visited Margaret MacDonald at her home in Port Glasgow, Scotland.
 

Diana Lee

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Thank you Jerry for the documentation. I really enjoy your podcasts with Joe. He and Robert Eisenmann helped me break the last of my evangelical fundamentalist brainwashing. I'm very grateful!!! I'm attaching my memoir cover so you will know that I really know the dark side of fundamentalist religion.....fortunately I recovered thanks to intense licensed trauma recovery therapy with therapists who had studied with Colin Ross, MD.
 

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Diana Lee

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The next blog post in this series is supposed to discuss this.

In response to the Protestants' claim that the papacy was the 'Antichrist', the newly founded Jesuits came up with two mutually exclusive answers, which the church endorsed at the same time. These were the Preterist End Times School and the Futurist End Times School. You can have your cake and eat it.

Of course, I go even further and claim that the various 'reformations' were contrived as cynical 'divide and conquer' schemes. The better to conquer the New World with.
Thanks, Richard! In order to recover from evangelical fundamentalist brainwashing and the mental illnesses it creates my licensed therapist taught me the "sociopathic/psychopathic triangle" ----- victim, perpetrator, rescuer. I came to understand psychopathy at a deep level and I know divide and conquer is one of their primary strategies. In my memoir I state that this triangle is one of our culture's primary paradigms from Deuteronomy to Cinderella to the Cold War to those currently weilding political, social, financial and religious power...... History and the world started making sense after I came to understand these roles have been played out cyclically for millenia.
 

Richard Stanley

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Diana, one of the interesting things that I have learned is that during this 'Crusade' transition period within the evangelical movement, there was also a shift away from instructing congregants from abstaining from the corrupt world (after all, one's reward is in Heaven), and instead becoming intimately involved in such as worldly politics.

This Crusade motif was employed in conjunction with another millennial transition 'process' around the time of the Norman Conquest, which features the year 1066 CE, exactly 1,000 years after the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple. It also incorporated 3 and a half years of conflict prior and was memorialized by a book called the Domesday Book, for Doomsday (as in the Book of Revelation).

In my forum thread on the Egyptian Origins of the Freemasons, I have extensively discussed the Book of Judges, including the very odd, and revealing Samson narrative. The fallout from this is the realization of the vast number of parallels between Samson and Donald J. Trump, which even some evangelicals have publically noted. In my blog post, Apocalypse How Part 1, I discuss how Trump seems to be a central player in the current End Times process, possibly the Beast from the Sea. Samson, like Trump, is an extreme agent of chaos, who paves the way for the Philistines' destruction of the Israelite temple at Shiloh allowing for the rise of Jerusalem and King David to begin the new age of the day.

This all then builds on my notion of the significance of King Saul (to David) as a millennial transition point and then links, in a millennial fashion to the later Saul/Paul.
 

Richard Stanley

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Diana, I was just looking at your web site, http://shattereddiana.com/, and noted the mention of the Wesley's. I was not aware of the input of the Wesley's beyond denominational Methodism.

As such, it would be interesting to see what our member, Marcilla Smith, might have to say about this given her Methodist upbringing, on a new thread that is.
 
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