Part 1, the Futurist Apocalypse is Now
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Richard Stanley
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With the global dawn of the Coronavirus, I have been wondering about how it might fit into the sequence of Revelation. We are about 2 years and 5 months after the cosmic birth of baby Space Jesus on 9/23/2017, so he and mommy are still hiding in the wilderness, so to speak, for almost another year. This from Revelation 12.
A war breaks out in heaven and the dragon serpent, aka Satan, aka the Devil, is cast down to Earth from where he will seek to harass mommy virgin and baby Space Jesus some more. But mommy virgin is given eagle wings and she flies from the wilderness to the ... wilderness to hide out for a time and times and half a time. Is this the first 3.5 years or an additional 3.5 years?
Then we move to Revelation 13 where we learn about the Beast of the Sea and the Beast of the Earth, who both serve Satan. And we learn about the number 666, the (esoteric solar) number of a man.
In Rev 14 we learn of the 144,000 virgin Hebrews standing with Space Jesus on Mount Zion. Then we learn of 3 angels making proclamations, one of which is that Babylon has fallen. Then we find out about harvesting the grapes of wrath, where the Sun of Man is wearing a corona crown.
Babylon, like Baghdad, or Babylon like the Roman Catholic Church (since Francis is prophesied to be the last pope)?
With Rev 15 we get to the prelude to the 7 bowls of Rev 16.
It's interesting to note that we now have the Coronavirus and locust plagues (in eastern Africa), but these seem out of sequence with the script. Babylon has not yet fallen, while the traditionalist Catholics have been complaining that the (mostly) virgin Jesu have been trying to destroy the Church for sometime. They are just faithfully following the script.
Does the chronology need to be perfect? While the locusts appear to be spawns of the cooler damp weather that the Sun, entering a prolonged solar minimum, has granted. The Sun has ... granted? Yes, a sleepy Sun means more cosmic rays will nucleate more cloud formation, delivering better conditions for such as locusts.
And, as we've learned about the Jewish War, the Talmud claims that the war was started by "a Kamza and a Bar Kamza", where kamza means 'locust'. Started by locusts and finished by wasps. The fifth trumpet has more 'locusts' whose shape are like horses with the faces of men.
And already so far on this thread, matters are out of sequence, as such as the various 'seals' and trumpets have not occurred, while the unique alignment of Revelation 12 has. The third trumpet has a 'star' (Wormwood) landing in the ocean, though some have claimed that this was Chernobyl (wormwood in Russian). The nuclear fallout landed in some ocean water.
Note again that "all nations shall come and worship" before the new king of kings. In the new synthesis, the conforming nationalists get to have their cake while bowing down to a globalist king. Non-conforming nationalists will be thrown into the bottomless pit or nailed to crosses like the Zealots of old. Everything is a matter of perspective and context. The old evil Roman Church will be dead, with a new one raised up like a phoenix in its ashes. The Church is dead, long live the Church.
A war breaks out in heaven and the dragon serpent, aka Satan, aka the Devil, is cast down to Earth from where he will seek to harass mommy virgin and baby Space Jesus some more. But mommy virgin is given eagle wings and she flies from the wilderness to the ... wilderness to hide out for a time and times and half a time. Is this the first 3.5 years or an additional 3.5 years?
Then we move to Revelation 13 where we learn about the Beast of the Sea and the Beast of the Earth, who both serve Satan. And we learn about the number 666, the (esoteric solar) number of a man.
In Rev 14 we learn of the 144,000 virgin Hebrews standing with Space Jesus on Mount Zion. Then we learn of 3 angels making proclamations, one of which is that Babylon has fallen. Then we find out about harvesting the grapes of wrath, where the Sun of Man is wearing a corona crown.
Babylon, like Baghdad, or Babylon like the Roman Catholic Church (since Francis is prophesied to be the last pope)?
With Rev 15 we get to the prelude to the 7 bowls of Rev 16.
1Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete.
2And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and [a]over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. 3They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying:
“Great and marvelous are Your works,
Lord God Almighty!
Just and true are Your ways,
O King of the saints!
4Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name?
For You alone are holy.
For all nations shall come and worship before You,
For Your judgments have been manifested.”
5After these things I looked, and [c]behold, the [d]temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened. 6And out of the [e]temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands. 7Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever. 8The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed. (Revelation 15, KJV)
Rev 16 tells us about the 7 bowls, where men have terrible sores, the ocean and rivers turn red, men are scorched by the Sun, the Euphrates dries up and then powerful earthquakes occur, with massive hail falling from the heavens.It's interesting to note that we now have the Coronavirus and locust plagues (in eastern Africa), but these seem out of sequence with the script. Babylon has not yet fallen, while the traditionalist Catholics have been complaining that the (mostly) virgin Jesu have been trying to destroy the Church for sometime. They are just faithfully following the script.
Does the chronology need to be perfect? While the locusts appear to be spawns of the cooler damp weather that the Sun, entering a prolonged solar minimum, has granted. The Sun has ... granted? Yes, a sleepy Sun means more cosmic rays will nucleate more cloud formation, delivering better conditions for such as locusts.
And, as we've learned about the Jewish War, the Talmud claims that the war was started by "a Kamza and a Bar Kamza", where kamza means 'locust'. Started by locusts and finished by wasps. The fifth trumpet has more 'locusts' whose shape are like horses with the faces of men.
And already so far on this thread, matters are out of sequence, as such as the various 'seals' and trumpets have not occurred, while the unique alignment of Revelation 12 has. The third trumpet has a 'star' (Wormwood) landing in the ocean, though some have claimed that this was Chernobyl (wormwood in Russian). The nuclear fallout landed in some ocean water.
Note again that "all nations shall come and worship" before the new king of kings. In the new synthesis, the conforming nationalists get to have their cake while bowing down to a globalist king. Non-conforming nationalists will be thrown into the bottomless pit or nailed to crosses like the Zealots of old. Everything is a matter of perspective and context. The old evil Roman Church will be dead, with a new one raised up like a phoenix in its ashes. The Church is dead, long live the Church.
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Richard Stanley
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Yes, very interesting site, I'll contact him. It looks like he has a lot of dovetailing data with similar conclusions. Thx
Richard Stanley
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Thank to John's post above I found the following from a Rockefeller book, Prospect, excerpted at: http://redefininggod.com/the-rockefeller-plan-for-the-brics-new-world-order-in-their-own-words/
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If we remove the spin from this passage, it tells us that the new nation-states’ drive to achieve true independence must be “balanced by converging forces.” And what form did these “converging forces” take? The globalists employed hot & cold wars and insurgencies, trade conflicts, and “economic hit men” to make life unbearable for any nation-state attempting to be independent. All this strife forced such nations to reach out to international institutions for “help” (which came in the form of military occupation or debt bondage).
Only in the arms of the globalist institutions would such nations find any peace…
…(from page 61)
When Prospect spoke on page 60 of what animates such peoples…
Richard Stanley
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I have not read the entire post or the links yet, but I could not have written the following any better than Ken did. But to be clear, these particular Jews mentioned are the "Sheepdogs" (along with other religio-political fronts) to the royalist "Shepherds" in our parlance. Again, thanks to John.
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This prophecy fulfillment scheme is a project of the Kabbalist “Jewish” central bankers and their royal family partners in crime, and it is being orchestrated by the Chabad-Lubavitch Kabbalist “Jewish” cult. Chabad is a religious front of the Mossad, and it is focused on producing the globalist End Times show. It also has intimate connections to both Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. In fact, both Trump and Putin have large roles within their End Times script. For Act 1, Trump has been cast to play the “Moshiach ben Yosef” (the precursor messiah), and Putin has been cast to play the “Moshiach ben David” (the main messiah). And in Act 2, Putin’s character will transition into the role of “Final Antichrist” to the globalists’ fake Jesus, the “Kabbalah-Christ.”
In order to deceive the world into accepting their Kabbalah-Christ as the “real Jesus,” the globalists are planning to artificially fulfill the Biblical prophecies TWICE. The first fulfillment will provide the “Satanic deception” that Christians are expecting, and the second will provide the “real Second Coming” they’re also expecting. Both fulfillments will feature a Christ and Antichrist. Both will include a 7-headed, 10-horned Beast out of the Sea and a Beast out of the Earth to help the Beast out of the Sea. And both will feature Gog-Magog Wars and Battles of Armageddon. But both are false fulfillments. I know this with certainty because I’ve observed their propagandists laying the groundwork for both, and I’ve documented their deceptions in this blog.
IN THE FIRST FULFILLMENT, the globalists will pit “the American Antichrist and his evil unilateral / unipolar NWO” against “the Russian Christ and his benevolent multilateral / multipolar NWO.”
The Russian Christ will of course be played by Vladimir Putin, and that’s why you’ve heard so much in the controlled alternative media about Putin being “a good Christian who has stood up against the Western Satanists and their NWO.” And the Western Antichrist is currently slated to be played by Trump’s replacement – most likely Mike Pence – after Trump is assassinated or otherwise removed from office by the supposed “Deep State” – a move which is IMMINENT.
During the upcoming Third World War conflict in Korea, the Middle East, and Ukraine, Putin will defeat the West and overhaul the “Western-dominated” UN into the multilateral / multipolar NWO. And to convince people that they’re going through something supernatural, the globalists will be putting on a grand show involving fake assassinations, fake resurrections, and fake extraterrestrials – all made possible by Hollywood magic, sequestered technology, and a near limitless budget.
At the end of this first fulfillment, most will be convinced that Putin is the Jewish and Christian Messiah, and that the “new, reformed” UN / NWO is his democratic kingdom.
IN THE SECOND FULFILLMENT, Putin’s NWO will turn quite ugly about 3.5 years after it’s launched, and it will become clear to everyone that they’ve been “deceived by Satan” into accepting the Final Antichrist in Christ’s place. After 3.5 more years of “great tribulation,” Putin will lead his UN army and ET pals against a second group of arriving beings, the “real Jesus” and his angels.
At the end of this second fulfillment, the globalists are expecting everyone to buy in and accept the “real Jesus” they presented. And it is through this phony figurehead Jesus that they hope to rule over us like gods in a post-democratic world they own lock, stock, and barrel. ...
When I got to the site, it looked familiar. Forum member 'Collectivist' recommended it to us a couple years ago, and I discussed it with him in this thread:
https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/chabad-lubavitch.2037/post-7610
Richard Stanley
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As you can see by the link title I've been working with here, that Ken is operating under the notion of Obama as Antichrist (or a 'fake' Antichrist). I certainly believe that Obama was 'staged' as a set-up man for Trump, to use as a foil besides Hillary. As Ken discusses, Obama's name and such have apocalyptic connotations, as does Trump's.
In any case, my only significant point of departure with Ken's analysis is over specific timing, where I believe that 2070 is the real target date and that baby Space Jesus could only have been 'born' on 9/23/2017 (per Rev 12). This was the only precise alignment date in well over 2,000 years.
In the thread below, Ken discusses the BRICS alignment as an alternative NWO ... to the "evil Western NWO", which is a great articulation of my notion of the Russia bloc as just such a fake dialectic.
In any case, my only significant point of departure with Ken's analysis is over specific timing, where I believe that 2070 is the real target date and that baby Space Jesus could only have been 'born' on 9/23/2017 (per Rev 12). This was the only precise alignment date in well over 2,000 years.
In the thread below, Ken discusses the BRICS alignment as an alternative NWO ... to the "evil Western NWO", which is a great articulation of my notion of the Russia bloc as just such a fake dialectic.
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At this point, I think we’ve covered enough of the prophecies to show that Obama’s handlers are putting him in all the right places at all the right times to build him up as a passable Antichrist (either the “real” one or “fake” one). So now let’s move on to see how the Antichrist versus Christ spiritual dialectic fits in with the Western New World Order versus BRICS New World Order geopolitical dialectic.
As I’ve shown in Understanding the NWO Strategy, the globalists have created two New World Orders and pitted them against each other. On one side, there is the Western NWO that has been advertised as scary, evil and totalitarian. And on the other side, there is the BRICS NWO that has been advertised as a place nations can run to escape and rebel against the evil Western NWO. By having the Antichrist head the evil Western NWO and then having Christ come in to lead the BRICS NWO to victory, the globalists are hoping to create a spiritual reason to accept the NWO for the religious people of the world.
Upon looking into Muslim eschatology, I was shocked to learn that they too are expecting a Second Coming of Christ. In the Wikipedia entry on their End Times figure, the Mahdi, we see their popular prophetic expectation…
“There is no explicit reference to the Mahdi in the Qu’ran, but references to him are found in hadith (the reports and traditions of Muhammad’s teachings collected after his death). According to Islamic tradition, the Mahdi’s tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the “false Messiah” or Antichrist).”
So if the Occulted Powers proceed with their script, the “Mahdi” will show up with “Christ” and his ET pals to jointly defeat the Antichrist. This joint action would effectively unite the two sheep herds (which together comprise roughly half of the world’s population) behind the BRICS New World Order… or so the globalists hope.
As I ponder this scenario, I can already imagine how the “Holy Tag Team” would spin things…
“Satan long ago sowed dissension among the People of the Book in order to divide God’s people. And as the Antichrist’s kingdom [the evil Western NWO] neared completion, his dark servants [the Satanic Western Elite] spread terror under the name of Islam to get Abraham’s descendants to war against each other. What Satan has divided, we, Jesus Christ and Imam Mahdi, have come to put back together. God’s people will be one again.”
It is no accident, then, that the putative leader of the BRICS NWO, Vladimir Putin, is being promoted as the Great Champion of Christianity and a friend to the Jews…
Arrgh!!! I have to confess that I had tuned out from anything Collectivist had to say at that point. In any case, from what my first excerpt from Ken wrote, he distinguishes between flavors of Jews, and that they are working with the 'royals'. And yes, the Lubavitchers believe that their Rebbe is the messiah. However, he is somewhat like the Islamic Hidden Mahdi (who is not the messiah, Isa aka Jesus), who precedes Jesus, the messiah.
Looks like the supposed "Deep State" failed to remove President Trump from office last month.
Richard Stanley
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Well, this is one of the reasons I think his timeline is too aggressive.
Yes, remember when the Big Year for the Apocalypse was the year 2000? I remember reading, after it had passed, that David Rockefeller and Co. had to postpone it to 2003, then of course after that nonevent came the Mayan End Year Cycle of 2012, and so on. At this rate, it may just not come until 2070, as you predicted. Also, is it possible that the events of Revelation do not occur immediately, one right after the other in chronological order, but are many decades apart, and some concurrent with each other, with all of these seals, vials, trumpets, etc., not harbingers of our linear time?
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Yes, I believe that you are correct, that there is nothing in the script which declares that one event must follow the other in tight sequence, or that they must all be in exact linear order. More importantly that they are identifiable in either a literal or symbolic fashion.
Also, remember that there is no Zero year in the AD system, so the 2,000th year is ... 2001. This is one reason why I have speculated that 9/11 was the opening gambit or marker event for what follows. Here is the symbolism of Flt 93 where I see it as symbolizing the story of Apollo sending Corvus out to gather water (in the Krater cup/bowl) for a party in honor of Jupiter, but Corvus gets delayed, distracted seeing that there are figs waiting to ripen. This in contrast to Jesus, the Egyptian, who sees that the fig tree is barren (because someone else ate his figs).
On 9/11, Jupiter was exactly between his sons, Castor and Pollux, directly above NYC, with the Sun (Apollo) attending and the Moon marking out the major events of the day. As I have determined on the From Chrest to Christ thread, the Divine Twins are succeeded by the Christian Savior (Christ, the avatar for the caesars and popes), and so Castor and Pollux (as the Twin Towers) had to fall being struck at their feet by the Moon. In the 3 cross depictions of the of the Cruci-fiction, both the Sun and Moon are present, framing the scene of Castor and Pollux dying on their (cryptic dokana) crosses, while the new savior is resurrected. And then Building 7, the Salomon Brother's temple, is razed to the ground.
How that for symbolism? But these events, "on Earth as in Heaven", are just to memorialize the past, not technically part of the new pageant. So this is why I think 9/11 is merely the symbolic opening the apocalyptic season so to speak.
And here, the movement of the Moon is as precise as the movement of Jupiter (again), now as baby Space Jesus, in the 9 months inside of the Virgin's belly. The modern acculturation placing blinders on the otherwise rational ones from seeing the statistical problems involved, even when they are presented with the facts. The priests of distorted modernity are just as effective as the ones of old were, because the former generally descended from the latter.
"They blinded me with Science".
Also, remember that there is no Zero year in the AD system, so the 2,000th year is ... 2001. This is one reason why I have speculated that 9/11 was the opening gambit or marker event for what follows. Here is the symbolism of Flt 93 where I see it as symbolizing the story of Apollo sending Corvus out to gather water (in the Krater cup/bowl) for a party in honor of Jupiter, but Corvus gets delayed, distracted seeing that there are figs waiting to ripen. This in contrast to Jesus, the Egyptian, who sees that the fig tree is barren (because someone else ate his figs).
On 9/11, Jupiter was exactly between his sons, Castor and Pollux, directly above NYC, with the Sun (Apollo) attending and the Moon marking out the major events of the day. As I have determined on the From Chrest to Christ thread, the Divine Twins are succeeded by the Christian Savior (Christ, the avatar for the caesars and popes), and so Castor and Pollux (as the Twin Towers) had to fall being struck at their feet by the Moon. In the 3 cross depictions of the of the Cruci-fiction, both the Sun and Moon are present, framing the scene of Castor and Pollux dying on their (cryptic dokana) crosses, while the new savior is resurrected. And then Building 7, the Salomon Brother's temple, is razed to the ground.
How that for symbolism? But these events, "on Earth as in Heaven", are just to memorialize the past, not technically part of the new pageant. So this is why I think 9/11 is merely the symbolic opening the apocalyptic season so to speak.
And here, the movement of the Moon is as precise as the movement of Jupiter (again), now as baby Space Jesus, in the 9 months inside of the Virgin's belly. The modern acculturation placing blinders on the otherwise rational ones from seeing the statistical problems involved, even when they are presented with the facts. The priests of distorted modernity are just as effective as the ones of old were, because the former generally descended from the latter.
"They blinded me with Science".
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Richard Stanley
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I thought Facebook was killing us. 
In any case, remember the little boy who cried 'wolf'.
In any case, remember the little boy who cried 'wolf'.
Hexane527's timeline is further out. You might find his logic and historical grasp intriguing.
http://world-war-3-explained.blogspot.com/2019/02/does-israel-project-really-serve-to.html
http://world-war-3-explained.blogspot.com/2019/02/does-israel-project-really-serve-to.html
Richard Stanley
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Thx John.
I have quickly skimmed that article and, yes, Hexane527 has some interesting arguments and overlap with our positions. It appears that we generally agree with the role of the 'Jews', which we label as Sheepdogs (aka Suffering Servants), as opposed to the elite Shepherds. And, I generally agree over the role of the entire Reformation project, with the Tudor creation of the Anglican Church intended to control and mitigate the other sectarians. And, I agree with the colonization parallel to the USA with especially the OT narrative for the semi-historical Conquest of Canaan and the current Israeli project.
Where I depart is the ultimate aim of that project. While there is absolutely racism involved, this is one means of motivation, not the end or goal. As I have discussed, both the OT and the NT (and the Quran) are explicitly Globalist in nature, barely subtext.
As such, Hexane mentioned the possibility of a diminution of white peoples at some recent point as a driver for making a racist push to gain lebensraum. Ironically, I see this as needing different framing .. to better fit with the widest facts. In this regard, I am now seeing most all religious 'apocalyptic' is speaking to semi-periodic catastrophes that happen over long scales of time. See the works of Randall Carlson posted on YouTube for more.
Such wiped out the dinosaurs (except the birds) and it is now know in only the last few decades that the Earth gets hit by fairly large objects on average about every 50 years. So, in this context one might better see the 'project' as yes, racist, yet this as subsidiary to garnering the best seats for surviving the next round of the cosmic shooting gallery.
Hexane should also avail himself of Israeli Shlomo Sand's great book, The Invention of the Jewish People, to bolster his case in that regard.
I have quickly skimmed that article and, yes, Hexane527 has some interesting arguments and overlap with our positions. It appears that we generally agree with the role of the 'Jews', which we label as Sheepdogs (aka Suffering Servants), as opposed to the elite Shepherds. And, I generally agree over the role of the entire Reformation project, with the Tudor creation of the Anglican Church intended to control and mitigate the other sectarians. And, I agree with the colonization parallel to the USA with especially the OT narrative for the semi-historical Conquest of Canaan and the current Israeli project.
Where I depart is the ultimate aim of that project. While there is absolutely racism involved, this is one means of motivation, not the end or goal. As I have discussed, both the OT and the NT (and the Quran) are explicitly Globalist in nature, barely subtext.
As such, Hexane mentioned the possibility of a diminution of white peoples at some recent point as a driver for making a racist push to gain lebensraum. Ironically, I see this as needing different framing .. to better fit with the widest facts. In this regard, I am now seeing most all religious 'apocalyptic' is speaking to semi-periodic catastrophes that happen over long scales of time. See the works of Randall Carlson posted on YouTube for more.
Such wiped out the dinosaurs (except the birds) and it is now know in only the last few decades that the Earth gets hit by fairly large objects on average about every 50 years. So, in this context one might better see the 'project' as yes, racist, yet this as subsidiary to garnering the best seats for surviving the next round of the cosmic shooting gallery.
Hexane should also avail himself of Israeli Shlomo Sand's great book, The Invention of the Jewish People, to bolster his case in that regard.
Yes, in hindsight, it looks as though the year 2000 was hyped up for everyone to fear as the catastrophic millennium, and then when it passed by harmlessly and our guard was let down, we were sucker punched with the true opening catastrophe at the true start of the millennium in 2001.
Just an idle thought, could the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse represent the foundation of the American Roman Empire during the Revolutionary War, with Conquering George Washington as our "White Knight" on a White Horse (he actually fought with and against native Americans who used bows and arrows, in the earlier part of his military career), the (bloody) Red Horse of War being our "Manifest Destiny" seeking starting in the 19th century, the Famine rider equated with the Stock Market crash of 1929, Black (Horse?) Friday and its Great Depression aftermath, and now the Coronavirus as Death on a Pale Horse (will all previous outbreaks "pale" compared to it?), with Hell (a living hell of enforced isolation?) following. A horse and rider for each century.
Richard Stanley
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Now that we've opened the metaphoric chronological pasture gate you're going to let all the horses out?
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