Miracles and Biblical Infallibility

Once again, I have to ask: how dare you think that YOU know more than the Holy Roman and Apostolic Church and its Pope??? At the very least, their opinion deserves at least the same weight as yours or mine, when it comes to determining how to read the Bible.
I must have missed this back in 2020!!

The RCC is by biblical definition, not holy, neither Christian nor apostolic.

It is rife with scandal, perversion, hypocrisy, filthy with wealth, political intrigue, torture and bloodshed (the Spanish Inquisition etc), oppression of the masses under man-made legalistic decrees, idolatry, power plays, false doctrines, and the blasphemous elevation of its false goddess "the Virgin" above Jesus Christ.

The true church is the body of Christ, comprised of individual believers in the humble Jesus of Nazareth.
It is NOT Roman.

Its pope ("papa") is countermanded in scripture, in every possible way.

Mat 23:8 "But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.

Mat 23:9 "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

Mat 23:10 "Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

Mat 23:11 "The greatest among you shall be your servant.

Mat 23:12 "Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Mat 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.

Mat 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves."

There is no system of priesthood mandated in the New Testament, in the sense that many churches practice as a relic of the Mosaic religion. Rather, the leaders are to be servants, and every believer is defined as a "priest" in that each has the ability to go directly into the presence of God as the Hebrew high priest did.

Rev 1:5 ... from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Rev 1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

2Co 3:12 Since we have such a hope, we are very bold,

2Co 3:13 not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end.

2Co 3:14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.

2Co 3:15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts.

2Co 3:16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

2Co 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Heb 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh,

Heb 10:21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,

Heb 10:22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

So it's not my humble opinion vs. the might of the Magisterium, but the Word of God that condemns the RCC as the Harlot and False Prophet, one of the Two Beasts of Revelation, marked for destruction.
The RCC ... is rife with scandal, perversion, hypocrisy, filthy with wealth, political intrigue, torture and bloodshed (the Spanish Inquisition etc)....
I couldn't agree with you more, about these particular aspects of the RCC!!

But even as a casual secular reader, your interpretation of the New Testament doesn't make any sense to me.

Matthew chapter 23: Jesus himself is addressing his disciples. The disciples have one teacher, who is Jesus. He doesn't want them calling themselves "rabbi" or "instructor" because he is reserving those titles to himself.

How can one extrapolate this, as an instruction to all his followers, forever, after he has gone back to heaven? In context, it's obviously to be interpreted locally and specifically.

Revelations chapter 1: Jesus as the ultimate source of all authority.

2 Corinthians chapter 3: Jews reject the Gospel of Jesus, while Christians accept it.

Hebrews chapter 10: Jesus is the great priest over the house of God.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how any of this contradicts the RCC's view that they embody the authority of Christ in earthly form.

Whereas, the RCC can quote chapter and verse in support of their position. Their interpretation seems quite reasonable to me, as a straightforward reading of the words on the page.


The source and guarantee of this Church authority is Christ's continuing presence in his Church — "Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age" (Mt 28:20).​
The purpose of this authority is to give the Church the ability to teach without error about the essentials of salvation: "On this rock, I will build My Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it" (Mt 16:18).​
And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." (Mt 28:18-20)​
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build My Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven." (Mt 16:18-19)​

The authors of this essay mention Acts 15:28 as a specific scriptural example of the early RCC in action. Here's the context:

22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:​
The apostles and elders, your brothers,​
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:​
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spiritand to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.​
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.​

Based on all of this: I have to agree with the RCC position, that the New Testament authorizes the creation of a Church. And historically, the RCC seems to be alone in its claim to institutional continuity with the Apostles themselves.

Not that I'm about to join the RCC. As Shakespeare explained in Merchant of Venice (act 1, scene 3): even the Devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
Well we could do with miracles now that Israel has bombed the Iranian embassy in Syria. WW3 is coming just as predicted in this thread. Anyone expecting JC to arrive in the nick of time to seize the ICBMs?

Hello Claude!! Welcome back.

I'm not sure what Ruby is expecting. In another thread, she wrote:

...the bad guys will be destroyed, and peace will reign at last.

I asked Ruby to elaborate on her interpretation of the prophecies. Does this mean we're all going to get nuked? Are we talking about the peace of the graveyard? So far, she hasn't responded.

Whereas perhaps I'll go out on a limb here, and make a prediction.

There will be a small nuclear war, limited to Israel vs. Iran. They'll succeed in firing ten or twenty bombs on each side, maybe a few more for Israel. In the wake of this disaster, Jews will be scapegoated worldwide. The RCC will emerge as the dominant institution, owning virtually all capital assets everywhere.

You will own nothing, the RCC will own everything, and you'd better be happy. See https://thegreattaking.com for an explanation of exactly how this will be accomplished in the economic collapse following this war.

Also: after the war, nobody will really know what happened. Did the nukes really work as advertised, or was the Middle East simply flattened with conventional weapons, and maybe some very dirty low-yield nuclear "devices"? All the images of nuclear mushrooms, were they real or were they generative AI? Conspiracy theorists will go right on wondering whether nukes really exist; that is, to the extent that conspiracy theorists themselves continue to exist.

In the aftermath, the aliens will arrive in force, and Space Jesus will reign supreme, with the RCC as the alien spokesman.