On the contrary, Ruby, I don't see how current global trends could possibly be any closer to scriptural prophecy than Richard or I would acknowledge. Because we say that the global elite are intentionally recapitulating the scenario mapped out in the Book of Revelation. This was set forth most clearly in Richard's article "Apocalypse How", where he said that Donald Trump's emergence from Mar-a-Lago seems to illustrate the beast rising up out of the sea in Revelation 13:1-2. It was basically at my instigation, as his copy editor and publisher, that Richard included the following caveat:...in the end, his observations on current global trends were closer to scriptural prophecy than he was prepared to acknowledge.
I see your point, but mine is that the traditional, evangelical understanding of the Bible is quite far from yours or Richard's. Yes, Richard saw the same events occurring globally which fit the parameters of the prophecies, but as you say, he thought that these events are being deliberately orchestrated by the individuals who have read the scriptures.On the contrary, Ruby, I don't see how current global trends could possibly be any closer to scriptural prophecy than Richard or I would acknowledge. Because we say that the global elite are intentionally recapitulating the scenario mapped out in the Book of Revelation.
That may very well be true. Of course I would have to respond with this scripture,But with further evidence accumulated by Michael Burch, and discussed in our Trump mega-thread in this post -- it seems undeniable that Donald Trump is self-consciously adopting the role of the Antichrist from the Book of Revelation. Not necessarily that he's the only such individual, but certainly he fits the bill. Do you agree?
One key point is that according to the Hebrew scripture, God himself was responsible for creating evil; to wit, Isaiah 45:5-7:The evangelical viewpoint is that there is an ultimate evil spiritual force driving these compliant individuals who, though they may imagine they are in control of something, are in fact dupes of Satan, who is rebelling against the One True God.
Both the Old and New Testaments repeatedly voice this megalomaniac goal to create a single world empire.But ultimately there will be a single Antichrist, the global dictator, who will announce himself as the saviour of this troubled world, but who will quickly reveal his true agenda with draconian and even supernatural powers. He will be the political world ruler.
But don't Christians also wish for a global dictator, namely Jesus Christ himself? But it seems to me that the definition of a "Jew" is really very flexible: the British Israel movement said that inhabitants of the British Isles should qualify. Trump has a Jewish son-in-law; that should be close enough to qualify. Of course the acid test is whether Trump will really be able to establish himself as world dictator, clearly achieving dominion over such as Putin and Xi Jinping.The enlightened among us can already see of course that a global dictator is a very bad idea, but somehow, the majority of the world will be taken in by him with his philanthropic-sounding rhetoric and magnanimous gestures. He must by definition be an ethnic Jew.
I think Richard was hoping that our discussion forum would attract mostly like-minded individuals who would share our worldview, and contribute to the research in a positive way. He was reluctant to provide a platform for views that he saw as disruptive or discrediting.This is a theme that I would have liked to discuss with Richard, but he was somewhat hostile to my attempts.
Yes, this was me!! You might have suspected that someone stole my login password, but it isn't so. Yes, this was my lame intent to go full tongue-in-cheek. And this is a digression, that probably will get moved eventually to the "Miracles and Biblical Infallibility" thread.Jerry!!!!!!! Can this really be you??? This seems like a very tongue-in-cheek post from you.
Why such a negative view of Lucifer? Originally this was simply the Latin name for Venus, personified by the Greeks as a god. In Revelation 22:16, Jesus refers to himself as the morning star, which is to say Lucifer.In fact of course, America was founded centuries ago by the Illuminati, for their own nefarious purposes, global domination and micromanagement of every world citizen being paramount, in obedience to their clandestine god Lucifer, a liar and the father of lies.
But how is anyone supposed to tell the difference between the false religions and the true religion? Why don't we just do as Romans 13 suggests: consult the authorities that God has established, and rest assured that God has spoken?Everyone knows what a religious country America is, and that when it suits, everybody "is a born-again christian". America has been the nursery of a plethora of false religions, each claiming sole infallibility and divine favour, all quoting bible texts to prove their point.
Now you're making an appeal to common sense. But if Jesus could walk on water, then surely there's no limit to what can be done with plastic knives?I am certain that you know I remain strictly unconvinced about there having been 19 Arab terrorists who flawlessly outsmarted security, foiled the FBI who had been surveilling them for years, overpowered the muscle men on the planes with plastic knives, slid beneath the locked cockpit doors, and flew jumbo airliners accurately into the U.S. targets which most guaranteed decades of reprisals that resulted in millions of their own people dead and suffering.
Not at all!! As a raw 18 year old just emerged into the Big Wide World from a home where politics was never mentioned (I still have no idea how anyone else in my family votes), I had no clue who was what. I abstained from making any choice because I knew nothing about any of the candidates.I agree that "voting informal" in Australia is a crime against democracy that ranks similar to shooting JFK. The sentiment is exactly the same. You won't vote because you think your vote alone should determine the outcome. Because it doesn't, you refuse to participate out of spite.
Regarding the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon, my question is: how do we know that the Devil isn't somehow leading us down a false pathway. Either by presenting all these eyewitnesses with a false vision, or by causing them to lie to the various reporters and intermediaries who convey this information to us, or by interfering with our own minds so that we cannot correctly evaluate the evidence.I don't know what this has to do with the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon...
That's fair, and I appreciate the respect for the thread structure. I will move this material to the "Miracles and Biblical Infallibility" thread tomorrow....which is why I am not comprehensively answering each point and cluttering up this thread right now.
That is a point of view, and certainly a minority one. There is a wealth of literature from the early centuries A.D. which contradicts this concept, on which of course this site was predicated. You mentioned that we may end up having to agree to amicably disagree, but it would be wiser to begin that way. I present the traditional, evangelical understanding of the bible as a counterpoint to the postflavian one here. I am interested to see how your understanding varies, and admit that I have not studied your position thoroughly.I am saddened to see that you believe the obviously bullshit story that Jesus could command the wind and waves. At this great historical distance in time, you accept Roman wartime propaganda at face value. You are also swallowing hook line and sinker, the fake news that thousands of Christians were martyred in the first centuries AD. Those were Jewish nationalists who were murdered, not pious Roman loyalist followers of Paul.
Or sometimes we can just overthink things.Regarding the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon, my question is: how do we know that the Devil isn't somehow leading us down a false pathway. Either by presenting all these eyewitnesses with a false vision, or by causing them to lie to the various reporters and intermediaries who convey this information to us, or by interfering with our own minds so that we cannot correctly evaluate the evidence.
Because clearly the evidence leads us to question the Authorities which have been Ordained by God.
This is false. There is very little literature about Christian martyrdom that dates back to the early centuries AD. See:There is a wealth of literature from the early centuries A.D. which contradicts this concept, on which of course this site was predicated.
There are thousands of websites that present the traditional, evangelical understanding of the Bible. But if you want to use this space, you can expect to draw a rebuttal.I present the traditional, evangelical understanding of the bible as a counterpoint to the postflavian one here.
What I said is that your beliefs are a testament to the power of cultural influence. You have been subjected to Christian propaganda all your life, and you've come to believe that it's true. If you had been raised in an Islamic culture, or a Chinese Buddhist culture, your beliefs would almost certainly be different. Conversions from one to another of these traditions are vanishingly rare.It's a rather cheap shot to suggest that as I am intelligent, I should not believe accounts of certain supernatural events in scripture.
You are conflating two different things here. It's one thing to debate about whether a "supremely intelligent and all-powerful creator" exists, or whether life evolved from inanimate particles. In my opinion, the existence of such a creator is equally as inexplicable as the existence of atoms or space.I am frequently surprised at the intelligent people who believe that life, love and laughter could evolve from random collisions of inanimate particles of inexplicably pre-existing atoms in an infinite space over squintillions of aeons.
That takes a lot more blind faith, it seems to me, than believing that a supremely intelligent and all-powerful creator is responsible for everything we can see, hear and touch within this physical realm, and also for all that is beyond the 4 dimensions which we currently inhabit, but of which we are occasionally given glimpses.
In making the suggestion, I was being tongue-in-cheek, and/or making an argument which seems consistent with the point of view that you are projecting here.Certainly I would agree with your suggestion that Satan was responsible for many witnesses seeing a false vision of a 757 flying into the ground floor of the Pentagon. His earthly henchmen designed it that way, and it was resoundingly successful, but they were not careful enough.
And on Nov. 10th, 2001, speaking to the UN General Assembly, Bush warned: "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
How our biases can inform what we read...How convenient that within a handful of hours of the 9/11 incidents, Bush's speechwriter had already been able to construct that infamous "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" speech which Bush could never have cobbled together himself.