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Done. It seems to fit the context of this older thread. We had been trying to figure out whether Ruby's vision of Christianity is derived from the teachings of any identifiable sect or preacher.
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...in the end, his observations on current global trends were closer to scriptural prophecy than he was prepared to acknowledge.
I see your point, but mine is that the traditional, evangelical understanding of the Bible is quite far from yours or Richard's. Yes, Richard saw the same events occurring globally which fit the parameters of the prophecies, but as you say, he thought that these events are being deliberately orchestrated by the individuals who have read the scriptures.On the contrary, Ruby, I don't see how current global trends could possibly be any closer to scriptural prophecy than Richard or I would acknowledge. Because we say that the global elite are intentionally recapitulating the scenario mapped out in the Book of Revelation.
But with further evidence accumulated by Michael Burch, and discussed in our Trump mega-thread in this post -- it seems undeniable that Donald Trump is self-consciously adopting the role of the Antichrist from the Book of Revelation. Not necessarily that he's the only such individual, but certainly he fits the bill. Do you agree?
The evangelical viewpoint is that there is an ultimate evil spiritual force driving these compliant individuals who, though they may imagine they are in control of something, are in fact dupes of Satan, who is rebelling against the One True God.
But ultimately there will be a single Antichrist, the global dictator, who will announce himself as the saviour of this troubled world, but who will quickly reveal his true agenda with draconian and even supernatural powers. He will be the political world ruler.
The enlightened among us can already see of course that a global dictator is a very bad idea, but somehow, the majority of the world will be taken in by him with his philanthropic-sounding rhetoric and magnanimous gestures. He must by definition be an ethnic Jew.
This is a theme that I would have liked to discuss with Richard, but he was somewhat hostile to my attempts.
Jerry!!!!!!! Can this really be you??? This seems like a very tongue-in-cheek post from you.
In fact of course, America was founded centuries ago by the Illuminati, for their own nefarious purposes, global domination and micromanagement of every world citizen being paramount, in obedience to their clandestine god Lucifer, a liar and the father of lies.
Everyone knows what a religious country America is, and that when it suits, everybody "is a born-again christian". America has been the nursery of a plethora of false religions, each claiming sole infallibility and divine favour, all quoting bible texts to prove their point.
I am certain that you know I remain strictly unconvinced about there having been 19 Arab terrorists who flawlessly outsmarted security, foiled the FBI who had been surveilling them for years, overpowered the muscle men on the planes with plastic knives, slid beneath the locked cockpit doors, and flew jumbo airliners accurately into the U.S. targets which most guaranteed decades of reprisals that resulted in millions of their own people dead and suffering.
Not at all!! As a raw 18 year old just emerged into the Big Wide World from a home where politics was never mentioned (I still have no idea how anyone else in my family votes), I had no clue who was what. I abstained from making any choice because I knew nothing about any of the candidates.I agree that "voting informal" in Australia is a crime against democracy that ranks similar to shooting JFK. The sentiment is exactly the same. You won't vote because you think your vote alone should determine the outcome. Because it doesn't, you refuse to participate out of spite.
I don't know what this has to do with the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon...
...which is why I am not comprehensively answering each point and cluttering up this thread right now.
I am saddened to see that you believe the obviously bullshit story that Jesus could command the wind and waves. At this great historical distance in time, you accept Roman wartime propaganda at face value. You are also swallowing hook line and sinker, the fake news that thousands of Christians were martyred in the first centuries AD. Those were Jewish nationalists who were murdered, not pious Roman loyalist followers of Paul.
Regarding the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon, my question is: how do we know that the Devil isn't somehow leading us down a false pathway. Either by presenting all these eyewitnesses with a false vision, or by causing them to lie to the various reporters and intermediaries who convey this information to us, or by interfering with our own minds so that we cannot correctly evaluate the evidence.
Because clearly the evidence leads us to question the Authorities which have been Ordained by God.
There is a wealth of literature from the early centuries A.D. which contradicts this concept, on which of course this site was predicated.
I present the traditional, evangelical understanding of the bible as a counterpoint to the postflavian one here.
It's a rather cheap shot to suggest that as I am intelligent, I should not believe accounts of certain supernatural events in scripture.
I am frequently surprised at the intelligent people who believe that life, love and laughter could evolve from random collisions of inanimate particles of inexplicably pre-existing atoms in an infinite space over squintillions of aeons.
That takes a lot more blind faith, it seems to me, than believing that a supremely intelligent and all-powerful creator is responsible for everything we can see, hear and touch within this physical realm, and also for all that is beyond the 4 dimensions which we currently inhabit, but of which we are occasionally given glimpses.
Certainly I would agree with your suggestion that Satan was responsible for many witnesses seeing a false vision of a 757 flying into the ground floor of the Pentagon. His earthly henchmen designed it that way, and it was resoundingly successful, but they were not careful enough.
And on Nov. 10th, 2001, speaking to the UN General Assembly, Bush warned: "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
How convenient that within a handful of hours of the 9/11 incidents, Bush's speechwriter had already been able to construct that infamous "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" speech which Bush could never have cobbled together himself.
Not sure what you mean by this comment, Emma?How our biases can inform what we read...