May 5: "Arrival" and Apocalyptic Cycles

Jerry Russell

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Here is a pretty and simple graphic from Viktor Schauberger which describes the two:
And I had the notion that Schauberger was studying fluid vortices....

David Icke was mentioned here somewhere - he's controlled op, but his reptilian nonsense about elites is just shitty covering that they are emotionally arrested (gross understatement), and in that sense are indeed alienated, like most every narcissist/ psychopath.
I met a devotee who was on her way to an Icke conference of his once, and she clearly understood that the "reptilian" description is metaphorical. She thought everybody knew that's what Icke meant.

Does everybody but me know that Schauerberger was talking about exoteric and esoteric male and female energy? I couldn't make much sense of his book, maybe I should look again.

...it's easy to just turn it off. When they pull the plug on cash, that's a whole different game.
Actually I'm a little surprised to see you back. When you signed off last October, you said you were gearing down for a primitive off-grid winter. Did you get a few days of surprise sunshine?
 

windhorse

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And I had the notion that Schauberger was studying fluid vortices....



I met a devotee who was on her way to an Icke conference of his once, and she clearly understood that the "reptilian" description is metaphorical. She thought everybody knew that's what Icke meant.

Does everybody but me know that Schauerberger was talking about exoteric and esoteric male and female energy? I couldn't make much sense of his book, maybe I should look again.



Actually I'm a little surprised to see you back. When you signed off last October, you said you were gearing down for a primitive off-grid winter. Did you get a few days of surprise sunshine?
It's a mild one so far, I'm surprised.

Viktor Schauberger didn't state that verbatim - those were my words, and I suppose I should have said as much - but if you read VS's books it essentially boils down to that. It can also be expressed, and scientifically proven, that magnetism = negative charge/ cold/levity/female/alkaline pH. Electricity = heat/gravity/male/acid pH and so on. He proves it. Another discredited scientist, Albert Roy Davis, made phenomenal studies on magnetism. CIA did a number on him too, that's another story.

The reason for my posting the image has to do with a reality of genuine forces/energies, not some idiotic biblical or mystical or apocalyptic crap.

I'm not an abstract, scholarly or intellectual person, I'm I guess what you'd call a right hemisphere dominant or intuitive - I hardly fit here, but I'm drawn to some topics you discuss. I could just as well read along without participating.
 

windhorse

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I'm going to read Richard's Apocalypse article.

All of you men found "the Script." That is an incredible feat.

Funny how the truth hides in language sometimes, such as the very word, "script-ure." I like playing with those sorts of puzzles. Cult-ure. Spelling evolution backwards. Etc.

I'm not atheist. I've had some powerful spiritual or so-called metaphysical experiences. I certainly don't criticize atheism. It may take such strong atheistic belief, along with many remarkable abilities, to unravel all the mountains and mountains of lies called "his-story." But what hurts my heart is that anyone can feel empty-handed after such revelations. Worse, that they would settle....
 

Seeker

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I am so sorry that Richard never got to finish those installments that he intended to write for his "Apocalypse How", and that his own personal "Apocalypse" came "Now".
 

windhorse

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I am so sorry that Richard never got to finish those installments that he intended to write for his "Apocalypse How", and that his own personal "Apocalypse" came "Now".
I just read Part 1, and realized that was as far as he'd written. I was floored to see he said the same thing about "script-ure." This kind of coincidence blows me away.

I loved his descriptions of Trump lol!

Seeker, whatever Richard's reasons for departing his form, if you will, I feel without doubt he's very much alive. This is my own personal conviction based on personal events in my life. And there is some uncanny experience here I can't explain, except that maybe - it's possible to me - that Richard is trying to let you all know that through me. I think he's trying to get through, but unfortunately I'm not a professional medium, just a simple intuitive.

It was just too coincidental that I made that remark about "script-ure" and then hours later I read his Apocalypse article and find he's written that very same thing! That is no coincidence.

Anyway, Jerry, I think Richard's trying to let you and all his friends here know that he's not dead, he's just not "here" as we perceive "here."

This isn't some twisted attention-getting tactic on my part, nothing of the sort. I genuinely feel this and need to convey it, regardless of what anyone thinks.
 
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Jerry Russell

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I am so sorry that Richard never got to finish those installments that he intended to write for his "Apocalypse How"...
Thanks Seeker :)

I just read Part 1, and realized that was as far as he'd written.
After writing that article, Rick continued to post his ongoing work-in-process in forum threads instead.

In this directory: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?forums/apocalypse-how-series.51/

Also this thread: https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/eschatology-of-the-third-and-fourth-reichs.2422/

Seeker, whatever Richard's reasons for departing his form, if you will, I feel without doubt he's very much alive.
Rick was very skeptical about theories of consciousness based on electrochemistry (that is, neuronal action potentials and synaptic connections.) He was intrigued with quantum mechanical theories that consciousness might be non-local.

It's all very emotionally appealing, but there's a lack of hard evidence. And furthermore, much of our argument about Biblical prophecy is based on the idea that specific clairvoyant foreknowledge isn't really possible. If Jesus predicted that the temple would be torn to the ground in 40 years hence, we take that as evidence that the Gospel account wasn't really written until after 70 AD when the temple was actually torn down.

If we start admitting that Rick is communicating with Windhorse from the afterlife, how long will it be before we're telling stories that Richard could walk on water? He did always want to start a religion, he felt that would be the best way to compete with the mega-churches.
 

windhorse

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Thanks Jerry, I'll look at those threads.

It's up to every person to decide whether such "metaphysical" things are possible. But I have to ask you, Jerry, some time back, not long after Richard passed on, you actually asked me if had reincarnated as Richard because of some things I said (you didn't specify or elaborate) that reminded you of him. I told you that wasn't possible, but that I could have been in some way connecting with him and not aware of his presence or influence - something to that effect. I'm not going to try to find the thread, but I do recall that conversation, it was very soon after Richard passed on.

So you say, "If 'we' start admitting...," I assume it's a groupthink unspoken rule here that anything "woowoo" ist verboten.

You may want to go back and delete your comment to me about believing I was an incarnation of Richard. It's back around the time I signed up. Cover your tracks, or you'll need to give yourself a label as bad as Claude's: "hypocrite."

Oops.

With all due respect.

Over and out.
 

Jerry Russell

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I do recall that conversation...
LOL, so do I! And I was asking a question, not presupposing an answer.

So you say, "If 'we' start admitting...,"
By 'we' I was referring to the two of us, you and me. And as I said, it's an emotionally appealing position.

...you'll need to give yourself a label as bad as Claude's: "hypocrite."
Remember when I was trying to explain to Claude that being a hypocrite is a good thing?

Over and out.
Have a nice winter!
 

Seeker

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He did always want to start a religion, he felt that would be the best way to compete with the mega-churches.
I know that the last thing Richard would want is for us to turn him into a "Christ" figure, who sacrificed himself for the Postflavian truth (as a "martyr"), but I wonder how far along he got with the idea of a new religion? After all, was he not the son (or stepson?) of a preacher? Perhaps some of that religious environmental upbringing remained ingrained in his subconscious, no matter how much he repudiated the mainstream form of it, and this also might explain his interest in exploring esoteric topics. As far as I am personally concerned, though, Richard "lives" on in the immense, eclectic corpus of work that he left here, I feel no need to try to "channel" him, and of course his own "Apocalypse" timetable was a half a century in the future, that we do know.
 
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Jerry Russell

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I wonder how far along he got with the idea of a new religion?
He spoke about it fairly often. Mostly the context was our discussions about Pastafarianism, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and so forth. He felt that with those as examples, Postflavians could have their own denomination or sect. But he was always hoping (rather tongue in cheek) that I would do the legwork to get things going.

I had the sense that he really didn't want to rule out all forms of "woo-woo" and was searching for some scientific, logical and reasonable basis for a broader outlook than just secular humanist atheism.

Do I need to defend myself re: Windhorse's charge that I'm a hypocrite? Truly, I don't believe in "woo-woo" myself. When I asked the question about whether Windhorse was Richard's reincarnation, I was speaking metaphorically or perhaps ironically, rather than meaning to endorse it. But I don't want to enforce a "groupthink rule" against discussions about natural religion, the nature of consciousness, the origins of the universe and so forth.

As a result of recent discussions, I decided to create a rule that Fascists and Fundamentalists are not welcome as full members here, and we get to take the gloves off when we engage them in debate. I don't feel the same way about spiritual discussions based on science and/or personal experience. I don't see that as a hypocritical position.

Richard "lives" on in the immense, eclectic corpus of work that he left here, I feel no need to try to "channel" him ...
Indeed, and I agree that it was "no coincidence" that Windhorse independently coined the term "script-ure" just before reading that Richard had used the same word. But did this happen because of "channeling" in a spiritual realm, or because something else Richard said here was sufficient to trigger that train of thought in Windhorse's mind? This is not an easy analysis.
 
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Seeker

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Mostly the context was our discussions about Pastafarianism, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and so forth. He felt that with those as examples, Postflavians could have their own denomination or sect.
My suggestion would have been to be pick a more dignified name, those are childish and ridiculous.
I had the sense that he really didn't want to rule out all forms of "woo-woo" and was searching for some scientific, logical and reasonable basis for a broader outlook than just secular humanist atheism.
Ditto.
Do I need to defend myself re: Windhorse's charge that I'm a hypocrite?
Not with me.
Truly, I don't believe in "woo-woo" myself. When I asked the question about whether Windhorse was Richard's reincarnation, I was speaking metaphorically or perhaps ironically, rather than meaning to endorse it. But I don't want to enforce a "groupthink rule" against discussions about natural religion, the nature of consciousness, the origins of the universe and so forth.
That's what I thought. Of course I cannot presume to speak for someone else, but my opinion is that Windhorse was new here, and took your statement about Richard's reincarnation literally, whereas I have been here for a while, and "know" you better.
I don't feel the same way about spiritual discussions based on science and/or personal experience. I don't see that as a hypocritical position.
I believe you.
But did this happen because of "channeling" in a spiritual realm, or because something else Richard said here was sufficient to trigger that train of thought in Windhorse's mind? This is not an easy analysis.
No, it isn't, but I do believe that you, Richard, and Windhorse are on the same "wave length" in some respects, going by your mutual postings. You share some of the same opinions in this "realm", not necessarily some other one.
 

Jerry Russell

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...childish and ridiculous.
You mean the FSM and IPU are impossible to take seriously?? Indeed, verily these characters were invented to make fun of organized religion. True devotees are few and far between.

In a more serious vein, are you familiar with the "Sunday Assembly"? How about the Unitarian Universalists? I myself am a member in good standing of the UUCE. I think Rick's main objection to these groups was that they aren't sufficiently evangelical, and as a result they don't have any political clout.
 

Seeker

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In a more serious vein, are you familiar with the "Sunday Assembly"?
No, I never heard of it, Thank You for the link.
How about the Unitarian Universalists? I myself am a member in good standing of the UUCE.
Yes, just from memory I am thinking about the Presidential Adams family and Ralph Waldo Emerson. I am truly glad if that works for you.
I think Rick's main objection to these groups was that they aren't sufficiently evangelical, and as a result they don't have any political clout.
I am trying to imagine Richard as Joseph Smith running for President the year he was murdered by the mob. Seriously, of course Billy Graham wound up becoming an evangelical icon, and was certainly invited enough times to the White House by a string of Presidents (to be succeeded by his son Franklin), but I don't know if that amounted to political clout, he personally seemed to disdain running for any office himself.
 
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