May 5: "Arrival" and Apocalyptic Cycles

Richard Stanley

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There is also the so-called Scythian strain of nobility supposedly represented by such as the stag heraldry, which Barbiero does not address. I have pondered whether this might have been an avenue for 'Ephraimites' post Assyrian forced immigration. This is complicated by that some consider the Khazar - Ashkenazi as having been one of the Scythian confederation.

And there are also issues of the so-called Rus. In pondering this it made me think of how much Putin looks like a 'stereotypical' Ashkenazi mensch. We better get his DNA too. Maybe we can ask the Trump boys to pick some up on their next trip over there.

Not to change the subject, note below the skin tone and hair from this newly discovered paintings at Pompeii. Note the contrasts between different people. All the art in this house is supposed to represent life along the Nile, though not much more context about them is understood I believe. It looks to me like some form of Greco-Roman wrestling match is going on, in any case. o_O

So are these 'Romans' depicted truly representative, or are the villa owners in Pompeii projecting themselves as being there on along the Nile. Either way, the skin tone and hair seems interesting - as deviating from the 'modern' olive tone we generally expect.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/archaeologists-discover-paintings-ancient-egypt-2000-year-old-villa-pompeii-021376
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Their y-DNA haplotype is mostly R1b, but that's not saying much: about 80% of Western Europeans are R1b.
Exactly, if they are truly at the core of a royal elite family, would they be a part of this "common" Haplogroup (extended family members through marriage certainly could be), or are they keeping their actual Y-DNA private? Sounds like a no-brainer to me.
At any rate, present English royalty (at least) seems to be going downhill, in the succeeding generations after the venerable Queen Elizabeth. Her presumed successor, Prince Charles, has married a divorcee (after getting divorced himself from the iconic Princess Diana), the same issue that had forced his granduncle Edward VIII to abdicate as King, and both of his sons have married "commoners", with younger son Prince Harry disassociating himself from his royal duties and moving to California. "That's not saying much" about the future of this "elite" family.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Exactly, if they are truly at the core of a royal elite family, would they be a part of this "common" Haplogroup (extended family members through marriage certainly could be), or are they keeping their actual Y-DNA private?
The Y chromosome contains 59 million base pairs. The human genome accumulates about 1 mutation per 30 million base pairs per generation, which means that the Y chromosome gets 2 mutations with every generation. Haplogroup R1b is at least 14,000 years old, which is ~500 human generations. So, I might estimate that the average human R1b chromosome has accumulated about 1,000 mutations. Thus, human lineages can be traced with very high granularity by looking at all those mutations. This is why Y-chromosome paternity tests are considered definitive.

If all we know about the Euro-royals is that they share the R1b haplogroup, we don't have very much information.

present English royalty (at least) seems to be going downhill,
I agree that English royalty seems to be going downhill. And yet it appears they're doing much better than Russian or German royalty!

If Richard were here, he'd put the emphasis on the word "seems".
 

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Y-chromosome paternity tests are considered definitive.
Unless you have an NPE (non-paternity event) within that great expanse of time. As the examination and comparison of the remains of King Richard III showed, that even happens with the elite, unless they purposely buried a "substitute" under that parking lot, while the real Richard went to a "Hidden Resort" after the Battle of Bosworth. I personally don't believe these "real players" play by our rules, including those regarding standard DNA testing. They don't want us to know who/what they really are, after all, they might really be reptiles :eek:. Or remember the movie "They Live"? If I recall correctly, the star of it, the late "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, later did an interview in which he insinuated that it was more than just a movie.
If all we know about the Euro-royals is that they share the R1b haplogroup, we don't have very much information.
Agreed 100%
I agree that English royalty seems to be going downhill. And yet it appears they're doing much better than Russian or German royalty!
Is not the agnatic line of the late King George VI, Queen Elizabeth's father, supposed to be German? Another royal ancestry coverup, occurring during WWI, for obvious reasons. From his paternal grandmother, Prince Philip is supposed to have royal Russian ancestry. I believe his DNA sample was used to help establish the identity of some of the murdered Romanov family.
If Richard were here, he'd put the emphasis on the word "seems".
Indeed he would, and you may have noticed that I myself am using "supposed" in my observations about royalty! For all that we know, perhaps Prince Harry was ordered to be transplanted to California, as future elitist plans might include England retaking the colonies, and making him King of America!o_O
 

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It seems to me that it's possible to have endless arguments over who is really important, vs. who is a fellow traveler or pawn or dupe. The only objective approach seems to be to consider tangible evidence of power, such as money, titular position of authority, or cultural influence. But surely if we evaluate by such criteria, we would be at risk of sweeping many outsiders to the secret society, into our dragnet?
In view of what is happening right now in this 2020 Presidential election, the classic example of the above analysis might be relevant to President Trump, who certainly seems "really important", with a "titular position of authority", "money", and a "cultural influence". However, was he a "fellow traveler or pawn or dupe" all along, and "we would be at risk of sweeping many outsiders to the secret society, into our dragnet?", as he was claimed to be an "outsider" during his first Presidential election bid in 2016?
 

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We are talking about extreme elites versus everybody else, including the Jews. Elites who made themselves intermarried with the pharaohs and the Roman emperors, created or helped create Xianity, and then became the Euro-royals.
Exactly, I think that Richard had nailed it with this statement. They are not "ordinary" people with "ordinary" DNA, but they do employ many other people as "shields", to deflect detection. I do not think that they are literally "reptiles" in disguise, as David Icke seems to think, but there is certainly something "alien" about them, compared to the rest of us. I would not be surprised if their ancestry actually went all the way back to a "mythical" Atlantis, inhabited by very intelligent (originally alien?) "godlike" people. However, I must add that it is recorded, by the Church Father Eusebius (quoting Christian writer Hegesippus), that descendants of this elite family "of the Lord", could also live very ordinary lives as hardworking, tax paying farmers, and have their lives "prolonged"-

"There still survived of the kindred of the Lord the grandsons of Judas, who according to the flesh was called his brother. These were informed against, as belonging to the family of David, and Evocatus brought them before Domitian Caesar: for that emperor dreaded the advent of Christ, as Herod had done.

So he asked them whether they were of the family of David; and they confessed they were. Next he asked them what property they had, or how much money they possessed. They both replied that they had only 9000 denaria between them, each of them owning half that sum; but even this they said they did not possess in cash, but as the estimated value of some land, consisting of thirty-nine plethra only, out of which they had to pay the dues, and that they supported themselves by their own labour. And then they began to hold out their hands, exhibiting, as proof of their manual labour, the roughness of their skin, and the corns raised on their hands by constant work.

Being then asked concerning Christ and His kingdom, what was its nature, and when and where it was to appear, they returned answer that it was not of this world, nor of the earth, but belonging to the sphere of heaven and angels, and would make its appearance at the end of time, when He shall come in glory, and judge living and dead, and render to every one according to the course of his life.

Thereupon Domitian passed no condemnation upon them, but treated them with contempt, as too mean for notice, and let them go free. At the same time he issued a command, and put a stop to the persecution against the Church.

When they were released they became leaders of the churches, as was natural in the case of those who were at once martyrs and of the kindred of the Lord. And, after the establishment of peace to the Church, their lives were prolonged to the reign of Trajan.

— Eusebius of Caesarea, Historia Ecclesiae, 3:20"

Notice that even though Emperor Domitian "treated them with contempt", as local yokels, he did not kill or imprison them, as he could have done on a whim, and actually issued a command to stop the persecution against the "Church", besides letting them go free! They then became leaders of the peaceful "churches", and lived into the reign of Trajan, surviving the assassinated Domitian. Were they simply "late bloomers", or was this meeting with Domitian some kind of initiation into the higher circles of their elite family? After all, "Jesus" was supposed to be a "carpenter", "Peter, Andrew, James, and John" as "fishermen", and "Paul" a "tentmaker". Could this be yet another Domitian "fish story", or is it possible that some members of this special family just wanted to escape that deceptive life, and become "regular guys"?
 
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Jerry Russell

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I think that Richard had nailed it with this statement. They are not "ordinary" people with "ordinary" DNA, but they do employ many other people as "shields", to deflect detection. I do not think that they are literally "reptiles" in disguise, as David Icke seems to think, but there is certainly something "alien" about them, compared to the rest of us.
Richard and I had endless debates about this, and I've never been convinced. I don't doubt that there is a great deal of inbreeding among the Euro-Royals, or that their lineage traces back to the Pharaohs and earlier. But at every generation, there must be some loss of genetic purity owing to interbreeding with commoners and diplomatic couplings to rulers of foreign nations ruled by other races, as well as occasional paternity fraud.

Also, in the modern age (since the American and French Revolutions) there certainly "seems" to be a very profound loss of power for the Euro-Royals. We remarked recently how even the British royal family seems to be on the decline. Wealth and power increasingly find their way into upstart hands.

And over the years there have been numerous advocates of the idea that true power has fallen into the hands of the Jewish bankers. Whereas I tend to suspect that the Jewish banker families are really of European royal blood, somewhat interbred with Jewish commoners of very different genetic heritage. But I disagree with the idea that Jewish bankers alone have seized all the power.
 

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But at every generation, there must be some loss of genetic purity owing to interbreeding with commoners and diplomatic couplings to rulers of foreign nations ruled by other races, as well as occasional paternity fraud.
Yes, perhaps not at every generation, but every so often there must be a "fresh" breeding addition to the core elite family, because if they kept on marrying their cousins and nieces they would suffer the same fate of the Habsburgs, as inbreeding just won't work "forever".
Also, in the modern age (since the American and French Revolutions) there certainly "seems" to be a very profound loss of power for the Euro-Royals. We remarked recently how even the British royal family seems to be on the decline. Wealth and power increasingly find their way into upstart hands.
Yes, I do recall you also told me how Richard would have used that word "seems" ;). What you have stated is true, but suppose those "upstart hands" are actually another disguised branch of that elite royal family, separated precisely for that purpose as more "controlled opposition", as the elite have been doing for millennia? As an example of creating publicly royal "hybrids" of elite lineage and wealth, here is my post from another thread- "Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein and the great-grandnephew of Habsburg Emperor Franz Joseph, is a billionaire, owner of the LGT banking group, and Europe's wealthiest monarch, being among the world's richest heads of state. His late second cousin, also the great-grandnephew of Emperor Franz Joseph, pretender Habsburg Emperor Otto, actually relaxed the strict Habsburg protocol about only marrying descendants of dynastic bloodlines, so that oldest son and heir Karl could marry the wealthy grandniece of late industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who initially supported Adolf Hitler, and her brother has converted to Islam."
But I disagree with the idea that Jewish bankers alone have seized all the power.
Agreed.
 
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Jerry Russell

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We remarked recently how even the British royal family seems to be on the decline.
But wait! The World Economic Forum has announced the "Great Reset" as its answer to the Covid-19 pandemic. Their program was launched at a virtual roundtable held June 3, 2020. And who would be the leading sponsor? None other than His Royal Highness, Charles Prince of Wales! Here's HRH making the announcement:


And what is The Great Reset? Chris Martenson gave his analysis behind his paywall, but here's a spoiler: he thinks the program is to implement the "eight predictions for 2030" found in this 2016 WEF video and web page.


https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/

Item #1, stated succinctly in the video as "You will own nothing. And you will be happy."

Or, as explained on the web page:

1. All products will have become services. “I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes,” writes Danish MP Ida Auken. Shopping is a distant memory in the city of 2030, whose inhabitants have cracked clean energy and borrow what they need on demand. It sounds utopian, until she mentions that her every move is tracked and outside the city live swathes of discontents, the ultimate depiction of a society split in two.
But: if YOU own NOTHING, that means that somebody else (aka "THEY") own EVERYTHING. How utopian... for the bankers!
 

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The World Economic Forum has announced the "Great Reset" as its answer to the Covid-19 pandemic. Their program was launched at a virtual roundtable held June 3, 2020. And who would be the leading sponsor? None other than His Royal Highness, Charles Prince of Wales!
Is this your "cup of tea"?
"The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea: Charles, Prince of Wales, Foretold
In The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea, Tim Cohen provides biblical evidence to demonstrate that all of the prophecies pertaining to the coming AntiChrist — that can be fulfilled before he assumes control over a global government during the Great Tribulation — are already fulfilled in a living prince of Roman lineage; this is true of no one else. This prince, for example, has the lineage: he claims descent simultaneously from Israel's King David, Islam's prophet Mohammed, and, by a false occult lineage, Jesus Christ Himself! This prince has the imagery: his personal heraldic achievement or coat of arms has the symbolism of the first beast of Revelation 13, representing the AntiChrist, and of Daniel 7 (i.e., the little horn having eyes like those of a man — a unicorn with human eyes). This prince's coat of arms also bears the red dragon described in Revelation 12 and 13, specifically representing Satan, and he was seen globally as he faced this dragon in 1969 to be coronated as "Prince of the Red Dragon" (i.e., Satan). This prince has the name calculation: his title, by which he is globally known, calculates to 666 in both Hebrew and English on the original biblical numbering system — the very system used in the underlying Greek text of Revelation 13:18 to specify six-hundred and sixty-six. This prince has the involvement in the Mideast peace process. In fact, the current Road Map, as well as the Oslo process from which it derives, and the Madrid Peace talks from which the Oslo process itself derived, are directly traceable to the London Agreement of 1987, which in turn is traceable to...THIS PRINCE. Also, this prince has the global authority.... That's right — he is not the ignored wimp that the masses have been misled to believe; rather, he is mankind's number one globalist, and has been for decades. Indeed, this prince is over the entire New World Order power structure—through the world's most prominent and oldest order of chivalry: the Order of the Garter. This order is very much more than merely a revival of King Arthur's legendary round table. And to top it all off, this prince HAS THE IMAGERY OF WHAT IS TO BE THE FUTURE ABOMINATION THAT CAUSES DESOLATION! What is that? In March 2002, while trekking through Brazilian rain forests, this prince was presented with a miniature version of a statue depicting himself as an angelic figure with large wings standing atop a mass of human bodies looking up to him (this prince) as savior! In fact, the inscription on the statue's base reads "Saviour of the World"!!! And it has this prince's face...with wings! So what did this prince say when Brazilian officials asked his permission to create a ten cubits high (12 or 15 feet) version of this statue, and to place it in a square named after him in their capital city? Instead of calling it blasphemy to identify him as "Saviour of the World", this prince remarked, "I am touched and deeply amazed," and then, with the small ego he has, this prince gladly gave permission to create the larger version! Now, bear in mind that the arrival of this statue was years after the 1998 publication of the first edition of The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea (ISBN 0-9662793-0-1), and there is no other man or woman who is being called "Saviour of the World" other than this prince whom Tim Cohen decades ago identified as the foretold AntiChrist — according to a true understanding of the prophetic scriptures. Coincidence? No. Just consider this: What would happen if even the miniature version of this princely idol, which has already been received by this prince and photographed by global media, were one day placed in a newly constructed holy place in Jerusalem? And what about the ten cubits high version? Would not all of evangelical Christianity suddenly scratch its collective head and wonder, "Gee, could this prince be the AntiChrist?"​
Tim Cohen not only identifies the Apocalypse's "fourth horseman" (i.e., this prince) and shows his pale-green-gray "horse" (Rev 6:7-8), but also suggests plausible identifies for the first three horsemen, showing their respective "horses" — white, "blue black," and red (Rev 6:1-6). Moreover, Tim provides guidance to recognize the actual Tribulation timeline. We may ask, "Is the Church then already in the Tribulation Week?" "Are the first three horsemen already riding?" "Is East Jerusalem about to be taken captive in war from Israel, and the Great Tribulation about to start?" "What was 2012 really all about?" "Will mankind and the world soon be given over to unprecedented apocalyptic disasters and death; famine and disease, economic collapse, international lawlessness and greed; the most destructive of wars, incorporating the most feared weapons, terrifyingly displayed on the Korean Peninsula and in the Middle East, and spreading from those hotspots; and a conquering antiChrist spirituality offering more lies and false hopes?"
Is Jesus' return now just years away? Could the Church today discern the actual year, month and week of Jesus' return, but neither the day nor hour? Have God's saints been duped into thinking otherwise (i.e., wrong thinking), so that the Church itself has become "dull of hearing" and hardened to genuine scriptural truth — somehow taking Jesus' own simple words to mean something entirely opposite to what He intended to communicate? Would such error be due to the false prophets and mistaken teachers of whom Jesus likewise forewarned? Indeed, Jesus said no man would know the "day or hour" of His return (i.e., the Second Advent), but He did not say — nor does scripture anywhere — that no man would know the "year," "month," or "week;" in that omission, Jesus left open the possibility. Given that the foretold AntiChrist is now revealed to the saints, in this book and its first edition, should we be at all surprised to find that the world is, in fact, only years away from Jesus' return and Armageddon — or, for that matter, that a clearer timeline may now be possible?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/introducing-the-great-reset-world-leaders-radical-plan-to-transform-the-economy/ar-BB15XGsU#:~:text=Alt

"The Great Reset" will be the theme of a unique twin summit, to be convened by the World Economic Forum in January 2021 (Note- it was later rescheduled for the early summer of 2021, due to safety issues). Are the Democrats truly allied with Prince Charles and the corporate elites, and will Donald Trump save us as the "Grey Champion" of 2025? Stay tuned!-
 
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Jerry Russell

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Getting back to "On Topic" for this thread (which was originally about the "Arrival" movie, and Space Jesus)... I notice that on the heavily Christian Evangelical "prophecyhouse.com" website, author Timothy Cohen also has this other book series:

Tim Cohen provides evidence-backed disclosure of seeded “alien” life throughout much of our solar system. This includes definitive and phenomenally extensive proof — not just beyond all imagination, but of such a solid nature that no space agency or academic will be able to credibly deny it — of complex “non-terrestrial” life. ... Mars, Earth’s Moon and other bodies in our solar system were — and in some cases yet are — populated by a staggering variety of dangerous and evidently carnivorous hybrid creatures...
 

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The above long quote is from prophecyhouse.com.
Oops, Thank You, I did neglect the source.
I'm confused. How can Donald Trump and Prince Charles both be the Antichrist?
Again, I leave it up to individual interpretation, but doesn't a "False Prophet" come before the "Antichrist"?
Getting back to "On Topic" for this thread (which was originally about the "Arrival" movie, and Space Jesus
I guess I was confused this time, as I thought the thread title was "May 5: "Arrival" AND Apocalyptic Cycles", and I was focusing on the "Apocalyptic Cycles" part. However, do I have any of this right, as far as "Space Jesus" goes, Richard said that a rare configuration occurring on Sept. 23, 2017 (I had noted that Emperor Augustus was also born on a Sept. 23), had heralded the birth of "Space Jesus", and that he would arrive during the Third Millennium (2066-2070), as defined by Richard?
 
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Jerry Russell

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I guess I was confused this time, as I thought the thread title was "May 5: "Arrival" AND Apocalyptic Cycles", and I was focusing on the "Apocalyptic Cycles" part.
Excellent point. We've all been perfectly "On Topic" all along.

However, do I have any of this right, as far as "Space Jesus" goes, Richard said that a rare configuration occurring on Sept. 23, 2017 (I had noted that Emperor Augustus was also born on a Sept. 23), had heralded the birth of "Space Jesus", and that he would arrive during the Third Millennium (2066-2070), as defined by Richard?
I agree this was what Richard was saying. Very clever of him, to place his prophecies so far in the future that none of us are likely to be alive to find out if he was right!
 

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Very clever of him, to place his prophecies so far in the future that none of us are likely to be alive to find out if he was right!
Unless there is actually reincarnation (?).
as far as "Space Jesus" goes, Richard said that a rare configuration occurring on Sept. 23, 2017 (I had noted that Emperor Augustus was also born on a Sept. 23), had heralded the birth of "Space Jesus", and that he would arrive during the Third Millennium (2066-2070)
About 2000 years before, Izates(Jesus) would have been born around this time (it has been said that "Jesus" was actually conceived in December, and then really born in September), and, if one believes Ralph Ellis, he was the Messiah/wanna be Emperor during the Jewish War of 66-70 AD (Richard's 1st Millennium).
 

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Richard said that a rare configuration occurring on Sept. 23, 2017 (I had noted that Emperor Augustus was also born on a Sept. 23), had heralded the birth of "Space Jesus", and that he would arrive during the Third Millennium (2066-2070), as defined by Richard?
Just playing with this, of course, but Prince Louis was born on Apr. 23, 2018 (St. George's Day, the patron Saint of England), exactly seven months after that Sept. 23 configuration, when his mother, the Duchess of Cambridge, would have been carrying him. As far as her being "clothed with the sun", the rays of the sun are depicted as golden, and her mother was a "Goldsmith". The moon that she is standing upon could symbolize her late mother-in-law, Princess Diana. Diana was a Roman (originally Hellenistic as Artemis) moon goddess, and the protector of childbirth, so the Duchess is standing upon her shoulders, i.e., carrying on from her, and having the birth of Louis protected by his now divine grandmother. The twelve stars she is crowned with could symbolize a future European Union, headed by her son Louis (who is a younger son, like the Biblical Joseph, who dreamed that the sun, moon [his parents], and eleven stars [his brothers, not counting him as the twelfth] bowed down and worshipped him), as they are already on the flag of the present one. Louis (meaning "famous warrior"), could perhaps signify his Messianic Merovingian bloodline, as Clovis (the French form of "Louis"), a famous warrior, was the first "Christian" ruler of France, and Louis XIV of France was the "Sun King", to return to the sun allegory. The second personal name of Louis is "Arthur", the returning future King of Britain, and his third personal name is Charles. Charlemagne (Charles the Great) is considered to be the first Holy Roman Emperor, and in succession from the first Roman Emperor, Augustus (born on a Sept. 23), whose name was in Charlemagne's official style of address.
 
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as far as "Space Jesus" goes, Richard said that a rare configuration occurring on Sept. 23, 2017 (I had noted that Emperor Augustus was also born on a Sept. 23), had heralded the birth of "Space Jesus", and that he would arrive during the Third Millennium (2066-2070)
Could this date be part of the "23/17 phenomenon", written about by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, in "The Illuminatus! Trilogy"?
Very clever of him, to place his prophecies so far in the future that none of us are likely to be alive to find out if he was right!
A possible "link"- if 2020 is to be considered an "apocalyptic" year, could 50 years from now, in 2070, be considered a "Jubilee Year", when "Jesus" returns?
 
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