May 27: Special Guest Allan Weisbecker: Defense of Ken Kesey

Jerry Russell

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Fifteen minutes before the show, we all gathered together on Skype for last minute check-in. Much to my surprise, Joe and Allan quickly established a cordial rapport based on Joe's claim that he, too, is an old surfer beach bum with a longboard. Who knew?

An enjoyable time was had by all, and IMO both sides scored some important point.

I'd love to see some followup discussion in this thread. Is Ken Kesey guilty as charged, or does the jury find for the defense?
 

Allancw

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Hi folks,

I would urge you to think about my comments in the opening, especially re the obviousness that Joe has Catcher and Cuckoo's Nest 180 degrees wrong, with regard to the author's intent. This is everything. What did the author intend? Did Salinger hate Freemasonry (FM) or was he doing an homage? Did Kesey and Salinger wake up every morning of their writing lives thinking 'How can I damage my reader today?' If you haven't read Cuckoo's Nest in a while, recall the movie. Do you think Kesey intended on any level that Big Nurse is the hero?

If you agree that this is not only incorrect but ridiculous, then Joe's position is defenestrated. So to speak. I fear that the 'He said, he said,' after my opening statement might distract from this vital observation.
 

Richard Stanley

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Hi Allen,

Being the 'cultural literary illiterate' here, especially with regards to Catcher and Cuckoo, I can not make a direct observation on the merits of either your or Joe's argument. The school system that I grew up with only made us read 1984 - which is suspect from certain people's (subcultural) perspective. I guess I shall have to grit my teeth and attempt to read these novels to get a perspective of my own on this. (But I do have priorites much greater than judging two dead individuals, but rather to the living - of whom the culture 'salves' here are in a hysterical fear frenzy to convict.)

Why? Because this is exactly the problem of interpreting such topics as Freemasonry generally, and the cultural / genetic nature of Judaism, their narrative which is the bedrock of Western Cult-ure. It's all cults and subcults, aka flocks of metaphorical sheep sucking their neurotic thumbs hoping their fictional (my shit doesn't stink) stories will help keep the wolves at bay. Wont work, because the wolves wrote the central narratives (ignoring here the possible intent of such as Salinger and Kesey here - which as I said before I currently can't speak to).

I must read such material, because as Jerry and I have just learned, actually reading such narratives and, as with the Bible, digging beneath the superficial Sunday School and pulpit analysis does indeed reveal the Truth, the real Truth, and nothing but the Truth. Here I am getting to the explicit relationship stated between Ephraim (Joseph's son) and Judah. And this explains why pope John XXIII asserted that he is the Jew's 'Joseph'. And this explains why, when Israel Shahak (Jewish History, Jewish Religion - Chapter 4) courageously exposed the exact operating nature of this papal / Jewish relationship in non-biblical terms, such as David Duke recontexted Shahak's greater expose as proof of all pervasive ethnic perfidy.

No, it is not blood that drives us all, it is 'cultural' framing (mental cuckholding), and for most of us on Earth which constructs the mental cages that enslave us, while giving us a false sense of security and absolving us of historical guilt (which is why we are supposed to go to church regularly - i.e. to maintain our mental cage). This is the real reason why there has been such an antipathy from Christianity, especially the Catholic version, towards Buddhism, which teaches one to drop all ego attachments (including shitty, self serving, and vain culture) - so that one can fully experience life other that a mental slave.

As such, I would ask you to read Jerry's and my Old Testament analysis series (and our most recent piece on Racism and Cultural Degradation), especially Isaac and the Fortunate Scions and see if this offends your cultural framing, and if Jerry and I are indeed 'wolves' as some claim here. The series is only going to get better - if I can ever get started, and no thanks to all the fanciful wolf hunters here. They are supposed to be hunting red foxes instead - from their high horses.

Joe, and most others, insist that the Jews are guilty as charged, as the Judeo-Christian [sic] propaganda narratives assert. Jerry and I claim that culturally this is just neo-Christianity, that is from the interpretational perspective those goyim who have chosen to drop the facade of Jesus. Do you see any interpretational parallels here with Catcher and Cuckoo?

The supreme irony here is that the HOLY narrative claims that the Ashkenazi can not possibly be Semitic, and thus not Jewish. And here, we say that cultural vanity Trumps all. (And yes, Trump has orange hair.)

And then you can get busy on the (serial) novel, the greatest story never told. Greater even than Atchity's Messiah Matrix.
 

Jerry Russell

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Getting back to Allan's view that Joe's case against Salinger and Kesey is 'defenestrated' by their surface intent, or even their apparent intent in a subtext, I don't necessarily agree.

In the case of Catcher, perhaps Holden Caulfield's contempt for the Freemasons needs to be judged in context of his own thoughts & actions -- he is critical of the FM representatives in the story, but at the same time he adopts many of their values, which then are portrayed sympathetically, inasmuch as Holden is the protagonist of the story..

In Kesey, it's not so much that The Combine is in any way portrayed favorably, but that it's portrayed as omnipotent & beyond any hope of defeat -- so that the primitive revival is offered as the only solution.

In both cases, basically, the "Lifetime Actor" charge boils down to the contrast between the authors' viewpoints expressed in their novels, vs. their actions in real life. This is especially poignant with respect to Kesey. He knew that LSD was coming out of a psychology ward, and he knew how destructive other forms of psychological intervention could be. This was the most important surface point of Cuckoo's Nest. Yet he takes LSD from the lab and hands it out to all his friends, and as a team, they promote it to an entire generation? All based on the naive view expressed in the Magic Trip film, that Kesey thought the doctors invented LSD to help people? Allan Ginsberg told him the LSD was coming from the government, and he just scoffed??

"Not so fast, Mr. Kesey. You're under arrest. We're taking you in for questioning."
 

Jerry Russell

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To summarize Rick's post (and put my own spin on it):

Allan, to the extent that you are still concerned (or have ever been concerned) that some or all of us here are government paid spooks: what do you see as the ultimate goal of our machinations? If someone buys into our argument, how does that benefit the New World Order? Are we degrading the culture in some way?

In other words, why would someone be paying us to do this??
 

Richard Stanley

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If someone buys into our argument, how does that benefit the New World Order? Are we degrading the culture in some way?
Some people, including me, will argue that the entire narrative of the USA is a long process of rolling out the NWO. That this is understood by the societal uber-elites, but not so much by the hoi polloi zealots du jour (such as whom Trump (and Hillary) is jerking their chain today). In this regard, and purposely ignoring dark moral issues here, as we discussed in the Cultural Degradation piece - any cultural change is viewed as a threat - particularly to those who perceive their status (Ox) being gored.

In this light, when I am finished with the other thread I'm currently working on, I am going to come back here and respond to your comments about Kesey and LSD (and actual mind cucking), based upon what you have told me on the phone (because I'm currently ignorant about the novel). This has to do with the wider context of the time and I'm guessing that Allan might agree with this, as a possible defense of Kesey, IMHO.
 

josh

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Sooooooo....... how about he debunks ANY of the evidence against Kesey.

Allen rambled on for an hour about joe's interpretations of catcher in the rye and coo coo nest. Unfortunately he did not address any of the evidence laid out against Kesey. The primary documentation, The brain database, The video with all the MK ultra people in one room talking about Kesey. I decided to go read his open letter to jan as well. This man never addresses facts in that letter or this podcast. Troll is obvious. I love your podcast and would suggest finding someone willing to address facts next time.
 

Jerry Russell

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Hi Josh,

Thanks for the kind remarks about our podcast in general, I'm sorry if this episode didn't live up to your expectations.

I don't agree that Allan is a 'troll' whatever that means, or that he never addresses facts. I think he's doing the best he can, and he has sincere intentions.

If you know of anybody else who wants to defend Kesey, though, bring it on!! We took on this debate because we're always up to this sort of challenge.
 

josh

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By troll i mean that he intends to muddy the conversation rather than actually move it forward. He seems to have a reasonable intelligence level. I can only assume that his unwillingness to actually debate the hard evidence presented in the "trial of ken Kesey" as purposeful. There is no way you can talk for an hour about a specific podcast and not even address the facts presented in it, acidentally. I wish you luck in finding someone willing to defend Kesey.
 

Allancw

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humor. josh claims I try to cloud the issue. Me.

re-enforcements...

i have about 20 emails stacked up from jerry, joe, irvin. meanwhile, the sky here in wyoming -- the outback, btw -- looks like a chessboard. this is what i and all should be concerned with (among things). but i will read the emails and think about what they wrote. success right there. multiply that by a million and what degree of misdirection do we get?
 

Jerry Russell

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meanwhile, the sky here in wyoming -- the outback, btw -- looks like a chessboard. this is what i and all should be concerned with (among things).
Now on the one hand, this is a very good point, and we've had a lot of discussion about this here. And on the other hand: in this context, Allan, isn't this what you call a 'misdirection'? Not that I'm saying you're doing it intentionally to cause us harm, but it's not that easy to stay focused on a particular topic.

If you think we're agents and that we are continually trying to make false statements and misdirect our followers, why do you keep engaging us? We can't force you to participate in dialog. You can attack us on YouTube and at your blog, we can't stop you.
 

Allancw

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Since self-reflection isn't possible, i suggest you view this:
Just the first 10 minutes. Then ask yourselves if you've been furnished with ways to protect yourselves from these weapons. If not, you're not one of Them. Then ask Who are the willful idiots?
 

josh

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humor. josh claims I try to cloud the issue. Me.

re-enforcements...

i have about 20 emails stacked up from jerry, joe, irvin. meanwhile, the sky here in wyoming -- the outback, btw -- looks like a chessboard. this is what i and all should be concerned with (among things). but i will read the emails and think about what they wrote. success right there. multiply that by a million and what degree of misdirection do we get?
I bet you wont answer even one of them by addressing any facts, misdirection indeed!
 

Richard Stanley

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Allan, your off-topic video doesn't help matters here, but that said, after watching the Leary et al. video, and based on that evidence alone, I have to generally agree with your position. Even though it is clear that Kesey was indeed participating in the program as was clearly stated. The big question becomes then, just what was the intent of this LSD program and who exactly was sponsoring it?

Is what this distribution program about really still connected to MK ULTRA's goals for mind control? I can not support this conclusion from the wider context of the discussion - from the sections that can be understood at least. Clearly, in the minds of everyone in attendance the goal of the program was bootstrapping a cultural upgrade and not a downgrade. That is unless one considers the video as a propaganda piece where everyone is lying for the camera. But then it never got shown until lately?

These seems to be mostly academic researchers in psychology and psychiatry, who were indeed excited about the potential beneficial uses of LSD and similar. In this regard, and what seems to be agreed upon as for Kesey's motives, then perhaps these people, some of whom likely had taken academic research jobs for MK ULTRA and/or other programs, had decided that their experiences moved them to go rogue.

"Some of my best friends" are people who have taken LSD and similar, and they are all still quite lucid, so let's stop with the nonsense about surely these people did not. try it. Today the formerly banned research projects have started back up, in order to help people with various problems.

Ginsberg assisted Alfred McCoy with his detailed book The Politics of Heroin, CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade, and he was concerned about the government's active negative participation with various drugs besides LSD and the excessive use of which had destroyed several of his friends. He was concerned that the state was using these to target individuals it didn't like. Later it would be admitted by the CIA that crack cocaine was being targeted towards urban blacks. This was likely the reason Ginsburg mentioned such a warning to Kesey, and Kesey having gained a different door of perception from his researcher friends, might then have had a different take.

Whatever the case, the Vietnam War failed. Was that because LSD failed to dull the war protests, or was LSD's effect neutral to opposite of claims for such cultural degradation? We do know that the Catholic Church pulled their support for Spelly's War, so maybe there was a whole other game being played.

The CIA was involved in research using such as massive electroshock treatments combined with other things in order to erase memories (identity) and install (cuckhold) a new one. Also using hypnotic trigger words for use with Manchurian Candidates as some claim for Sirhan Sirhan being made an unwitting patsy at least. Bill Cosby was a black hospital orderly while he was in the Navy. As mindcontrolblackassassins.com discusses, his relationship with Hugh Hefner seems to suggest some serious mind control going on.

But, as I discussed above, can anyone prove that these people, at that time discussed, were doing all this as part of MK ULTRA, or doing so separately - and for different motivations?

There are so many ironies in all this that it is hard to know where to begin. For one, this site is focused on serious degrading Western culture, that is, from the status quo Kristian kontrol perspective, which is typically paranoid and reactionary. From the opposite perspective, dumping faux Jesus and the entire synthetic Jewish / Gentile construct is really, really good (except for those who have profited from it for so long).

This is why I felt motivated to write the last post on Cultural Degradation. Culture is our emotional security blanket and any disturbance to it is traumatic, even if it might be good for us. Not having a proper model for understanding Masonry, Jesuits, etc. and their interrelationships to our institutions will only get us tied up into pretzels.
 

Jerry Russell

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The big question becomes then, just what was the intent of this LSD program and who exactly was sponsoring it?
Joe and Jan's argument (which seems at least plausible to me) is that the program was initiated to bring about the dystopia described by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World; that is, a world in which at least the lower-class drones are always drugged on Soma, and thus highly suggestible and malleable, and ultimately content with their lot in life. In his later and less popular novel Island, Huxley portrayed a 'utopian' world which was, in many respects, the same thing as Brave New World as seen through pink glasses.

If the goal of such a program was, ultimately, for the benefit of the elite ruling class, then obviously it would need to be repackaged before presenting to the masses.

Clearly, in the minds of everyone in attendance the goal of the program was bootstrapping a cultural upgrade and not a downgrade. That is unless one considers the video as a propaganda piece where everyone is lying for the camera. But then it never got shown until lately?
Accepting your view that the participants in the 'Conversation On LSD' were indeed enthusiastic about positive possibilities for change, it makes perfect sense that the CIA agents and other insiders would want the program to be seen in a positive light. And, part of the goal of the CIA in any operation, must be to maintain the enthusiasm of the operatives. Nobody wants to think of themselves as just doing dirty work for pay, right? Whereas if you can get a grant from a CIA conduit, or a job with a CIA conduit-funded university department, to do something you're enthusiastic about: seriously, it seems like looking a gift horse in the mouth, to object. So, beginning with insiders like Huxley and Wasson who really should have known better, this CIA-funded program whipped up academic enthusiasm for the drug counterculture, but certainly not by admitting the true core purpose.

According to this analysis, the 'Conversation on LSD' was not for the benefit of the public, nor was everyone lying for the camera. But it was a sort of cheerleader's training camp, where the head cheerleaders are whipping up the enthusiasm of the entire group. As to the motives of any particular individual in the room, who can say? It would take a lot of research (and the data may not be available) to say who among them is truly enthusiastic for LSD, vs. who is a lifetime actor who is only doing this for cash, or for the greater benefit of the Ruling Class.

How many left-leaning think tanks and social service organizations and political action groups get their funding from government or foundation grants, and wind up as gatekeepers for the status quo? Like Gloria Steinem, arguing with a straight face that the CIA is a very progressive operation.

In this regard, and what seems to be agreed upon as for Kesey's motives, then perhaps these people, some of whom likely had taken academic research jobs for MK ULTRA and/or other programs, had decided that their experiences moved them to go rogue.
I doubt if these academic researchers and other participants would have gotten far with their grants and research programs and parties, if the CIA insiders hadn't been delighted at this supposed 'rogue' movement.

But in regards to Kesey's motives, this aspect definitely makes things more murky. Joe and Jan argue that, being surrounded by so many CIA agents and/or Freemason operatives, Kesey must have known what he was getting into. This seems pretty reasonable to me, although circumstantial. They argue that Kesey himself took MK-Ultra money, but it's less obvious at the time that he should have known where that paycheck came from.

Even supposing we accept that Kesey was knowingly participating in this CIA-driven project, maybe he was indeed convinced that this was a rogue program, embedded within the intelligence community, but no longer beholden. So does that get Kesey a free pass, morally speaking? I'm not necessarily buying it, I still think he should have known better.

"Some of my best friends" are people who have taken LSD and similar, and they are all still quite lucid,
True, and Joe and Jan tend to see LSD in the context of a broader trend that also includes cocaine and heroin, meth and crack, and prescription psychoactive drugs, all as part of a package. It might be unreasonable, at this point in the research, to demand a proof of that thesis. On the other hand, it's definitely on the to-do list.

The CIA was involved in research using such as massive electroshock treatments combined with other things in order to erase memories (identity) and install (cuckhold) a new one.
I don't think anybody questions that the CIA did have this Manchurian Candidate project as part of MK-Ultra. But, Joe and Jan are arguing that the main goal of MK-Ultra was actually more sinister, to promote psychoactive drugs to the entire population in order to make them more malleable and subject to control by the mass media and other institutions. This seems very plausible to me, though I'm not completely familiar with the evidence to this effect.

Culture is our emotional security blanket and any disturbance to it is traumatic, even if it might be good for us.
If you don't like the 'cultural degradation' concept, how about 'attack on personal integrity'? As I said above, acid was and is a very small aspect of the entire program. LSD has caused many bad trips, to be sure, but consider also the damage caused by hard drugs, and by prescription drugs, and then add the chaos caused by the simultaneous promotion and criminalization of all of these. All of this has combined to ruin millions of peoples' lives.

Under our new site rules: here, I'll say it.

Loren and Allan look like victims of the drug war to me, they're just too addled to think clearly for more than a few moments at a time. Then they go ballistic and go on the warpath, and any attempt to reason with them falls completely flat. Could that be a sufficient explanation -- as opposed to believing that they've somehow been turned into 'lifetime actors' receiving secret paychecks, or driven by blackmail, or whatever?
 
Hi Rick,


Your position that within some “wider context” suggests that the group holding the MK Ultra Reunion party was “not connected to MK ULTRA's goals for mind control” is not coherent.


The correct and only ‘context’ to understand the group is as an extension of Gordon Wasson’s MK Ultra sub-project 58.


I assert these facts.


Wasson’s Life Magazine article was fiction intended to seed the ground for mass LSD use in the future.


Wasson’s article was not a one off but the start of a lengthy project intended to influence culture.


Therefore, Wasson’s ‘sub-Project 58’ required later individuals to continue the process.


The individuals in video promoted the mass use of the drug, were employees of the CIA and referenced Wasson as one of the founders of their movement.


Conclusion: It is self evident that the agents in the video were the ones Wasson knew would come later.


Moreover, your comment that the group was “excited about the potential beneficial uses of LSD” in light of the documentation of sub-project 58 and Wasson’s malevolent fiction concerning the drug being the ‘apple of the tree of knowledge’ indicates the kind of naiveté that will make research into the counter culture difficult.


May I suggest you run your notions past me before posting them?


Joe
 

Jerry Russell

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Hi Joe,

The example of Gordon Wasson seems to be particularly despicable, as we have clear evidence of him knowingly taking CIA funds and lying about it, his betrayal of Maria Sabina, his disingenuous review of the Hall Carbine incident, and fictionalized account of his introduction into the study of magic mushrooms. It's pretty clear that his interest was really a job assignment from his superiors at the bank, and had little to do with the romantic affection for the mushroom expressed in his writing.

But I wonder if Aldous Huxley would be a better place to start, to understand the interaction between "malevolent fiction" vs. naive acceptance of the ostensible purpose of the LSD movement, which indeed is well summarized as providing the masses with "the apple of the tree of knowledge"?

That is, Huxley's Brave New World has a surface narration that appears to express disapproval or fear of the drug culture in the future. Yet in the use of the term "Brave New World" as well as many other Shakespearean references in that novel, I expect you'll be arguing that BNW expresses the same design expressed by Shakespeare -- that is, the revenge of the Jews against the Gentiles, by means of the inducement of a dream state, followed by a judgment.

Also along these lines, the Deadhead article here gives this quote by Huxley, said to be in a letter to Orwell in 1949:

But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.
According to Jan Irvin's analysis, Huxley goes on to become a central recruiter and organizer for the MK-Ultra program, showing a rather inappropriate relish for bringing these "efficient instruments of government" into the hands of "the world's rulers."

Aside from the few that we can name as the arch-villains of the situation, isn't it likely that Rick is correct that most promulgators of LSD and other drugs (even including CIA agents) would not have had such Machiavellian motives, but rather were true believers in LSD (or whatever their drug of choice) as well as personal freedom to enjoy the drug?

I find myself wondering if we do ourselves more harm than good, by taking too strong a position on arguably ambiguous cases like Kesey. With the analysis of Cuckoo's Nest, and the Magic Trip film, we show that he was working in a symbolic world including the drugs, the counterculture, Christianity and Masonic symbolism, politics (the Combine) and psychiatry. When it comes to an analysis of Kesey's life and times, is it really the most important task to demonstrate Kesey's guilty wickedness? Maybe it's more important to just look at what he said and did.
 

Richard Stanley

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May I suggest you run your notions past me before posting them?
No, you certainly may not do so. As you suggested before, this forum is for discussion of issues. And from my layman's observation of the video and what I have read and heard from others about hallucinogenics, I thus am discussing my notions just as you had wanted this morning, and have always done. If I am wrong, and certainly this may be the case, then I am sure that you will guide me in the correct direction.

Unless I am hallucinating, I distinctly heard them discuss that the LSD fad was well over, and someone's updating the others on what the new hallucinogenic compounds were out on the street sounded like a conflict with the claims for a party of active (and thus intimately informed) participants in the immediate times of the event. If they were all in on the program during the time of the party, at least, why would they need to take the time to inform the others of such as what was now out on the streets?

My frustration on what is implied by 'cultural degradation' led to some valuable insights, that I have also discussed elsewhere on the forum. So thanks for bringing me that illumination. But what I have not addressed properly is the potential issue of a motivation to degrade Western culture for a specific purpose, and here your theory may likely have merit, generally speaking. But even so, here I'm still not convinced that LSD was really the bus for achieving this. I do see a big motivation to cause subsequent generations to become less capable, especially in light of profit desires to move productive capacity offshore to wage slave nations and robotics, and in line with the eventual furtherance of globalization which in my opinion eventually means some form of 'culture' leveling. With respect to the USA, then it would eventually require a literal emasculation of its dominance in various respects. This is one reason for expending trillions on insane wars. With respect to drugs, I see the opiates and such as much more effective, with marijuana somewhere in between.

Leary did discuss that he was very happy that Americans were taking more time to have vacations and travel (aka being less productive, unless one believes that vacations make you more productive). This of course, is a direct attack on the Protestant "Work Ethic", which I unfortunately know all too much about. (This is a good reason to be a laid back Catholic BTW.) So in this regard, and as to culture, they were discussing that in the period leading up to bus trips that American society had become too rigid and conformist. We're talking about the McCarthy era and Cold War hysteria, the Reds were everywhere, and everyone knew their place and assigned role, or had better. As you know Jerry and I have a different Machiavellian take on what Marx and Communism was all about than most, and with many other matters.

But have you ever taken a vacation? How many, and where?

The individuals in video promoted the mass use of the drug, were employees of the CIA and referenced Wasson as one of the founders of their movement.

Conclusion: It is self evident that the agents in the video were the ones Wasson knew would come later.
Maybe so, but this does not apply to my 'notion'. What was the date of the reunion party, after the LSD fad had died down? Were there sincere researchers investigating the potential beneficial uses of LSD in this time frame, as there are today? Are sincere researchers subject to being co-opted by various incentives and then later coming to a different 'perception' or maybe even operating their own agenda using spook funds?

I once worked on an atoll in the Pacific where the government shot ICBMs at us from near where you live today. Later I ended up installing or repairing equipment that I had helped design in most of the secret government weapons and nuclear energy labs in the country, in addition to other commercial facilities. Does this make me a Freemason ... or something? At this time I knew that Vietnam was a cluster F, but I had not put all the pieces together. Maybe something similar was for these people?

Moreover, your comment that the group was “excited about the potential beneficial uses of LSD” in light of the documentation of sub-project 58 and Wasson’s malevolent fiction concerning the drug being the ‘apple of the tree of knowledge’ indicates the kind of naiveté that will make research into the counter culture difficult.
Please explain how I will make further research difficult? I was not aware that I had such occult powers.

Should I dare ask if you watched the same video that I did? The people that I witnessed were indeed showing excitement about beneficial effects. You may care to claim that they were lying to the camera and each other, and that is your right. And you may indeed tell me that I have an ear infection or some other disorder, but this is clearly what I understood (from the more intelligible sections at that) from my listening to it.

But perhaps to be more profitable towards your claim, you might want to focus more on Tom Wolfe's role. That guy that was there, but didn't partake, who it seems everyone acknowledges was orders of magnitude more responsible for the spread of acid than the Pranksters themselves. A member of the other Skull and Bones Society.

BTW, in sniffing around all this, it was interesting to learn that Alan Ginsberg was a member of NAMBLA. A Jew promoting traditional Classical Greek Culture no less.
 
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