The big question becomes then, just what was the intent of this LSD program and who exactly was sponsoring it?
Joe and Jan's argument (which seems at least plausible to me) is that the program was initiated to bring about the dystopia described by Aldous Huxley in
Brave New World; that is, a world in which at least the lower-class drones are always drugged on Soma, and thus highly suggestible and malleable, and ultimately content with their lot in life. In his later and less popular novel
Island, Huxley portrayed a 'utopian' world which was, in many respects, the same thing as
Brave New World as seen through pink glasses.
If the goal of such a program was, ultimately, for the benefit of the elite ruling class, then obviously it would need to be repackaged before presenting to the masses.
Clearly, in the minds of everyone in attendance the goal of the program was bootstrapping a cultural upgrade and not a downgrade. That is unless one considers the video as a propaganda piece where everyone is lying for the camera. But then it never got shown until lately?
Accepting your view that the participants in the 'Conversation On LSD' were indeed enthusiastic about positive possibilities for change, it makes perfect sense that the CIA agents and other insiders would want the program to be seen in a positive light. And, part of the goal of the CIA in any operation, must be to maintain the enthusiasm of the operatives. Nobody wants to think of themselves as just doing dirty work for pay, right? Whereas if you can get a grant from a CIA conduit, or a job with a CIA conduit-funded university department, to do something you're enthusiastic about: seriously, it seems like looking a gift horse in the mouth, to object. So, beginning with insiders like Huxley and Wasson who really should have known better, this CIA-funded program whipped up academic enthusiasm for the drug counterculture, but certainly not by admitting the true core purpose.
According to this analysis, the 'Conversation on LSD' was not for the benefit of the public, nor was everyone lying for the camera. But it was a sort of cheerleader's training camp, where the head cheerleaders are whipping up the enthusiasm of the entire group. As to the motives of any particular individual in the room, who can say? It would take a lot of research (and the data may not be available) to say who among them is truly enthusiastic for LSD, vs. who is a lifetime actor who is only doing this for cash, or for the greater benefit of the Ruling Class.
How many left-leaning think tanks and social service organizations and political action groups get their funding from government or foundation grants, and wind up as gatekeepers for the status quo? Like Gloria Steinem, arguing with a straight face that the CIA is a very progressive operation.
In this regard, and what seems to be agreed upon as for Kesey's motives, then perhaps these people, some of whom likely had taken academic research jobs for MK ULTRA and/or other programs, had decided that their experiences moved them to go rogue.
I doubt if these academic researchers and other participants would have gotten far with their grants and research programs and parties, if the CIA insiders hadn't been delighted at this supposed 'rogue' movement.
But in regards to Kesey's motives, this aspect definitely makes things more murky. Joe and Jan argue that, being surrounded by so many CIA agents and/or Freemason operatives, Kesey must have known what he was getting into. This seems pretty reasonable to me, although circumstantial. They argue that Kesey himself took MK-Ultra money, but it's less obvious at the time that he should have known where that paycheck came from.
Even supposing we accept that Kesey was knowingly participating in this CIA-driven project, maybe he was indeed convinced that this was a rogue program, embedded within the intelligence community, but no longer beholden. So does that get Kesey a free pass, morally speaking? I'm not necessarily buying it, I still think he should have known better.
"Some of my best friends" are people who have taken LSD and similar, and they are all still quite lucid,
True, and Joe and Jan tend to see LSD in the context of a broader trend that also includes cocaine and heroin, meth and crack, and prescription psychoactive drugs, all as part of a package. It might be unreasonable, at this point in the research, to demand a proof of that thesis. On the other hand, it's definitely on the to-do list.
The CIA was involved in research using such as massive electroshock treatments combined with other things in order to erase memories (identity) and install (cuckhold) a new one.
I don't think anybody questions that the CIA did have this Manchurian Candidate project as part of MK-Ultra. But, Joe and Jan are arguing that the main goal of MK-Ultra was actually more sinister, to promote psychoactive drugs to the entire population in order to make them more malleable and subject to control by the mass media and other institutions. This seems very plausible to me, though I'm not completely familiar with the evidence to this effect.
Culture is our emotional security blanket and any disturbance to it is traumatic, even if it might be good for us.
If you don't like the 'cultural degradation' concept, how about 'attack on personal integrity'? As I said above, acid was and is a very small aspect of the entire program. LSD has caused many bad trips, to be sure, but consider also the damage caused by hard drugs, and by prescription drugs, and then add the chaos caused by the simultaneous promotion and criminalization of all of these. All of this has combined to ruin millions of peoples' lives.
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Loren and Allan look like victims of the drug war to me, they're just too addled to think clearly for more than a few moments at a time. Then they go ballistic and go on the warpath, and any attempt to reason with them falls completely flat. Could that be a sufficient explanation -- as opposed to believing that they've somehow been turned into 'lifetime actors' receiving secret paychecks, or driven by blackmail, or whatever?