May 13: The Messiah Matrix -- Augustus and Christian Origins

Richard Stanley

Your discussion of the Pax Romana was interesting, and I don't remember exactly how Atchity made reference to it in the book. I'll have to search my reader for it. Too bad the book is no longer free, as it was when I first posted it on another thread.

And as we discussed separately, your edit on the Wikipedia link was confusing to me, even though you had expressed that you had done so in the podcast. That a prior person or persons had earlier repeatedly deleted similar material about an unpeaceful Pax Romana is rather interesting as to why they would be so concerned about whitewashing this aspect.

However, the list of military actions also misses what is frequently considered Rome's greatest loss, The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. This where Augustus is claimed to have issued the famous refrain: "Quintili Vare, legiones redde!" ('Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!')

In line with this defeat and various attempts to retaliate, it points to a problem for the Romans in Europe specifically and more generally empire wide. Namely, logistics. In Europe, the Rhine became a convenient border because of resupply issues that became impracticable once across it. One of the problems that they had were 'not enough Romans'. This was one reason that Augustus had to enact what we know today as Christian Family Values, one of which was for good Roman matrons to produce more full-blooded Roman offspring. This followed by various measures to encourage marital fidelity (which Augustus spurned with abandon). The matrons use of a particualar plant that caused miscarriage (to hide the evidence from their retaliatory revenge (against their cheating husbands) affairs) was so extreme that it apparently caused the extinction of this plant.

His father, Julius, had gotten in trouble over expanding Roman citizenship to non-Romans, an issue of cultural degradation for the true Romans.

And so this issue of not enough Romans is thought to be one reason that Augustus had decided to stop expansionist activity. He had gained Egypt with the defeat of Antony and Cleopatra early on. The Pax Romana era expansion via Trajan's incursion to the Persian Gulf seems to be a one off exception, but they weren't able to hold this conquest long.

The other aspect of the novel that was interesting, and unfortunately problematic, was about the claimed representation of a statue, honoring Augustus, on the problematic coin central to the novel. If I remember right (and mentioned in the book) there is only historical mention of just such a statue in a city to the north, rather than at Caesaria, as is claimed by the novel. And of course, the claimed statue was made for Herod to honor Augustus, who had allowed Herod to remain in power after Herod had been allied to Marc Antony. As well, Herod had built Caesaria itself. So if there really was such a commemorative coin, then likely there was such a statue at Caesaria.

As to the Space Jesus issue, as I like to call it, author Horn demonstrated that several of the orders of the Catholic Church, not just the Jesuits, have been developing theology that would make such a (new and Futurist End Times School) Second Coming align with existing Catholic theology. One question was whether or not Space Jesus would need to be humanoid. All this then calls into question all of the business about such as Majestic 12 and such. Twelve? Where have we heard that number before? Hmmm

What happens if one rejects Space Jesus, as the current pope has allowed that there are even good atheists? Of course, I have been told more than once that there are many Jesuits that are atheist. They know what the real end game is, or at least have a better idea than most.

Jerry Russell

Staff member
So if there really was such a commemorative coin
A character in the novel makes the claim that there was such a coin, lost in the 19th century. Atchity on his website says "One Augustan coin even bore the XP symbol." If we took the time to read Alexander Del Mar, we'd probably know as much about the coin as Atchity does.

Richard Stanley

A character in the novel makes the claim that there was such a coin, lost in the 19th century. Atchity on his website says "One Augustan coin even bore the XP symbol." If we took the time to read Alexander Del Mar, we'd probably know as much about the coin as Atchity does.
Search your emails. ;)

Richard Stanley

Here is an interesting depiction of the Jesuit phenomenon, albeit you will need some means to stay awake because of the narration. One can probably find it elsewhere on the web. For some reason one needs to wade into it a ways before it starts getting to the meat, especially getting past some odd Cold War Army propaganda clips (that don't get explained). It is 1 hour long.

A One World Agenda: The Illuminati (2015)

It seems to be the theory of a Professor Hugh Montgomery, and is roughly similar to my views. It even mentions a few players that I wasn't aware of, but in any case sound very similar for what was said about the elite Ashina clan of central Asia. As such, it asserts that such as the Jesuits, the Illuminati, and Freemasons are just temporal (and controlled opposition) shell fronts for a long running movement with tentacles insinuated into width swathes of ancient and modern societies.

I also noticed nothing in it that contradicts Tupper Saussy's treatment of the Jesuits and his contextual prior history leading up to them. They both discuss the linkage between the Jesuit Disestablishment and the birth of Weishaupt's Illuminati. Saussy, of course, also tied the Disestablishment directly to the American Revolution, which is how so many Jesuits ended up in the new and otherwise rabidly Protestant country. "The enemy of my enemy must be my friend" ruse.


Richard Stanley

In addition to the prescient timing of the Messiah Matrix with Pope Francis's ascension, there is also the claim that Francis will be the Last Pope. There are several books out there discussing this aspect. Interesting that, as Horn mentions, that Catholic and other theologians "have dreaded this moment" that many inside the Church, besides the Jesuits, are pushing this Space Jesus scheme.

From Howells's The Last Pope:
The worldwide media frenzy surrounding the resignation of Benedict XVI and the election of Francis sets the stage for this intriguing new book, which claims that the new pope may be the last of the line. A millennium ago, the Archbishop of Armagh, canonized as St. Malachy, made a series of prophecies hinting at the identities of the 111 popes from medieval times to the present, including the one who would oversee the end of the Papacy and the fall of the Roman Catholic Church. For 400 years, these predictions remained hidden in the Vatican—but now historian Rob Howells brings them to light, denying claims that they are forgeries and examining their rediscovery in the sixteenth century and how they were used to put certain clergy in power. The election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio as Pope in March 2013 has been heralded as a fresh start for the beleaguered institution—but Howells offers a stunningly different interpretation: that Francis will be the final pope of the Catholic Church.

From Horn's Petrus Romanus:
For more than 800 years scholars have pointed to the dark augury having to do with "the last Pope." The prophecy, taken from St. Malachy's "Prophecy of the Popes," is among a list of verses predicting each of the Roman Catholic popes from Pope Celestine II to the final pope, "Peter the Roman," whose reign would end in the destruction of Rome. First published in 1595, the prophecies were attributed to St. Malachy by a Benedictine historian named Arnold de Wyon, who recorded them in his book, Lignum Vitæ. Tradition holds that Malachy had been called to Rome by Pope Innocent II, and while there, he experienced the vision of the future popes, including the last one, which he wrote down in a series of cryptic phrases. According to the prophecy, the next pope (following Benedict XVI) is to be the final pontiff, Petrus Romanus or Peter the Roman. The idea by some Catholics that the next pope on St. Malachy's list heralds the beginning of "great apostasy" followed by "great tribulation" sets the stage for the imminent unfolding of apocalyptic events, something many non-Catholics would agree with. This would give rise to a false prophet, who according to the book of Revelation leads the world's religious communities into embracing a political leader known as Antichrist. In recent history, several Catholic priests--some deceased now--have been surprisingly outspoken on what they have seen as this inevitable danger rising from within the ranks of Catholicism as a result of secret satanic "Illuminati-Masonic" influences. These priests claim secret knowledge of an multinational power elite and occult hierarchy operating behind supranatural and global political machinations. Among this secret society are sinister false Catholic infiltrators who understand that, as the Roman Catholic Church represents one-sixth of the world's population and over half of all Christians, it is indispensable for controlling future global elements in matters of church and state and the fulfillment of a diabolical plan they call "Alta Vendita," which is set to assume control of the papacy and to help the False Prophet deceive the world's faithful (including Catholics) into worshipping Antichrist. As stated by Dr. Michael Lake on the front cover, Catholic and evangelical scholars have dreaded this moment for centuries. Unfortunately, as readers will learn, time for avoiding Peter the Roman just ran out.

The concept of the Antichrist is rather interesting, not the least of which is that God is supposedly the author of everything, good and bad (Isaiah 45:7 KJV). This Antichrist must do his assigned 'evil' job in order for God's plan to unfold.

The early Protestants, and still a few today, considered the Pope(s) to be the Antichrist, working against the aims of Jesus. Somewhat like Paul not so incidentally, at least as he is posed against the disciples. As such the term Vicar of Christ means the 'substitute for Christ' and in this case the serial substitute for Christ. The prefixes 'ante' and 'anti' are homonyms and thus the possible term Antechrist would mean the person following Christ, just as the term Vicar of Christ means.

The Church claims that the papacy was founded upon Peter, as the 'rock upon which Jesus would build his Church'. And Peter went to Rome and was supposed crucified in an inverted position, contra-Christ so to speak.

Interestingly, Ignatius Loyola and uber-Protestant John Calvin (and Michael Severtus) attended the Sorbonne at the same time. It is claimed that they did not know each other, yet they both operated under these pseudonyms they adopted while there. Besides the claim of the papacy being the Antichrist and the Church's numerous corruptions, it was the theological controversy over the means of salvation advanced by Calvin that stirred many. This was about Calvin's claim of salvation by grace alone versus the Church's maintenance of salvation by 'works'. But Calvin's concept also invoked the Biblical notion of Predestination of the Elect, which the Church did not teach in its catechism.

This is because doing so would cause many to doubt what the religion was really about, namely the favoring of the Elect (aka the elites). For instance, in Revelation it is the 144,000 Elect that get to bypass the 7 years of Tribulation that everyone else, of the faithful must endure.
The first Baptist statement of faith included Predestination of Faith as a tenet only to soon drop it, for this very reason. The Jesuits have an instruction not to mention this to the faithful as Predestination is still a valid Biblical precept, but only the very elite congregants need be concerned with it.

Who was Michael Severtus, btw? He was the modern founder of unitarian Christianity. He was hounded by both the Jesuits and the Calvinists. Eventually he was captured by Calvin and turned over to the Catholic Inquisition run by the Jesuits, where he was burnt at the stake.

The cardinal of Venice, who pushed for the founding of the Jesuits and the Council of Trent (that was to discuss and settle the Church's position on the rising Protestant controversy) also wrote letters of encouragement to the Calvinists. Hundreds of years of contrived inter-Christian warfare and to what end? Well, for one thing many decided to try escaping to the New World and other areas .. to the chagrin of the 'natives'. This is called "Divide, then Conquer ... Somebody Else". And "the Lord Works in Mysterious Ways".