March 28: 'Jews' as a Scapegoat Class

Richard Stanley

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MK, do you think that the rape statistics might be akilter also because 'conservative' (aka Real) Science knows that a woman cannot get pregnant if she is raped? In other words, did any of those white women unknowingly report being raped if they had a baby by such an event. If they did, then the extrapolated number should come down by 1,700 for each event.

And how many of these white women (since the black women reported zero) had their brown baby pop out and then claimed they wasa raped? They was a'going black but tried to go back (but only because they were a'caught doing the Mandingo). Don't wanna get in bad with the Grand Wizard now.

I wonder how many black women didn't bother reporting, when they could have, because historically their ancestors were accused of being licentious Jezebel's listening to too much Jazz and such?

Tizz a shame that so many white women reported being raped by white men, when now, thanks to you, we know that white men aren't capable of such things, unless the Jew, or Jazz, puts him up to it.

Also, I don't know shit about statistics.
Nice work for an admitted troll.

Speaking of the KKK, Jerry was quite in disbelief when I informed him that in the 1920's that the second incarnation of the KKK had about 3,000,000 white Protestant men involved, no Catholics or Jews allowed, except for Liddle Bavarian Fred Trump that is.
 

Miss Kitty

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Rape is a very difficult topic to research. There are massive problems: What is rape, exactly? Who do you believe in any given case, or in general? How often is it reported? Is there any police bias in reporting or prosecution?



Not before. But since you asked, here's the most recent report:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/rape

Indeed, it seems they don't collect statistics by racial categories. So, there's no information here.

Also, they are looking at cases reported to law enforcement, which is likely to be very different from what you'd get with a statistical questionnaire like the BJS study.
What is BJS? Very suspect that the racial categories are missing, no? Maybe you have to go down to the office...
 

Richard Stanley

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Well, I'm just surprised that Jerry actually believes this stuff about white people being uniquely evil because they invented the bomb or had slaves or killed Indians or took other people's resources. I thought this was the sort of stuff you had to take the white kids out of school to avoid. You know, you want to avoid demoralizing them with nonsense.
Well, your religion does say that you all are sinners doesn't it? Or at least the last time I checked it did.

And yes, you played the same game with Jews as slaveholders as you did with blacks and rape, but you absolve yourself because "you don't know shit about statistics".

But where did Jerry say that all white people are uniquely evil?
 

Jerry Russell

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But where did Jerry say that all white people are uniquely evil?
Of course I didn't say that. I did say (but not in this thread) that Judaeo-Christian (Northern European & American) civilization invented the nuclear bomb, had slaves, killed Indians, and took over the rest of the world's resources through colonial imperialism. Thus, I conclude, this civilization has been uniquely destructive.

What is BJS? Very suspect that the racial categories are missing, no?
Bureau of Justice Statistics. The "Society Pages" article said that folks like David Duke are still quoting these old figures from 2008, because the BJS has since stopped reporting the data in this format. The author suggested that perhaps they stopped because they knew that the results were being misinterpreted.
 

Miss Kitty

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Rape is a very difficult topic to research. There are massive problems: What is rape, exactly? Who do you believe in any given case, or in general? How often is it reported? Is there any police bias in reporting or prosecution?



Not before. But since you asked, here's the most recent report:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/rape

Indeed, it seems they don't collect statistics by racial categories. So, there's no information here.

Also, they are looking at cases reported to law enforcement, which is likely to be very different from what you'd get with a statistical questionnaire like the BJS study.
Well, your religion does say that you all are sinners doesn't it? Or at least the last time I checked it did.

And yes, you played the same game with Jews as slaveholders as you did with blacks and rape, but you absolve yourself because "you don't know shit about statistics".

But where did Jerry say that all white people are uniquely evil?
Jerry said on the phone that white people are uniquely evil. It's sick. I used to defer regularly to Jerry's judgements because his research is good, and I don't like research, and he's brilliant in a National Merit Scholar sort of way. But then, some years ago, Jerry told me that my bitcoin would crash, and I lost a lot of money because I deferred to his judgement. That was the last end of deferring to Jerry.

About rape, I was quoting what I remembered from David Duke, who I found to be generally correct. I used to research his comments, but I am not into research.

There is a lot of research about Jews and the slave trade. I read about that one evening - beyond what David Duke said. Even Louis Farrakhan wrote about it. It's real. Jews were big slave owners. They owned a lot of slave ships. They try to suppress this information, but you can find it. The thing that bothers me about it is all the Hollywood movies pointing the finger at white Christians alone. I don't expect people to be wise beyond their own era.

And no one has proven anything about blacks and rape statistics. Jerry has only shown that the government does not report them, which IS the information, to my way of thinking. There are further discussions of black rape issues on other web sites. Look it up on American Renaissance if you want a fuller discussion.

I just mainly want to know why you and Jerry think Jews are scapegoats. I don't have the background to analyze much of your writings without a lot of work, but you should be able to explain it briefly - if it holds much water.

My central gripe with Jews is this: In 1965, they succeeded in opening the borders to America with the intent to flood us with third world foreigners and make us a minority in our own country. I think it's a very great crime. I think Kevin MacDonald has proven it in Culture of Critique. I don't think anyone else understood what they were really up to. They did it by deceit. I think they are going to succeed if people cannot WTFU. Mac is able to prove by many examples how Jews involve other people in their schemes in order to make it appear that it's not "only the Jews." So, it does not prove anything if others are participating or benefiting by associating with Jews. The goyim may not realize what's really happening.

If you can show that Jews are scapegoats, especially by a modern example, please, bring it. This is not an intellectual exercise to me, or a joke. I'm seriously wanting to know.
 

Jerry Russell

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Jerry said on the phone that white people are uniquely evil.
You seem to be incapable of hearing what I'm actually saying. I would never say that.

But then, some years ago, Jerry told me that my bitcoin would crash, and I lost a lot of money because I deferred to his judgement.
Excuse me, but I think what I said was that I thought bitcoin would probably crash, or that there was a high risk of it crashing. I still don't see any real value in that currency. But if indeed I made some sort of pretense to infallible market predicting skills, and then you believed me, then we both screwed up.

Since then, the Bitcoin price has indeed crashed, not just once but twice.

My central gripe with Jews is this: In 1965, they succeeded in opening the borders to America with the intent to flood us with third world foreigners and make us a minority in our own country. I think it's a very great crime.
You (and Kevin MacDonald) are ignoring the fact that the vast majority of "White Christian" businessmen were also in favor of immigration, because the US economy was expanding and there was a need for labor. And furthermore, the majority of "White Christian" politicians were in favor, for exactly the same reason. And of course Catholic leaders were also in favor, because a lot of Catholics were coming in.

If all this is true (and it certainly is), then blaming "the Jews" for what happened is a perfect example of scapegoating.

From Wikipedia:

Scapegoating is the practice of singling out a person or group for unmerited blame and consequent negative treatment. Scapegoating may be conducted by individuals against individuals (e.g. "he did it, not me!"), individuals against groups (e.g., "I couldn't see anything because of all the tall people"), groups against individuals (e.g., "Jane was the reason our team didn't win"), and groups against groups.
A scapegoat may be an adult, child, sibling, employee, peer, ethnic, political or religious group, or country. A whipping boy, identified patient or "fall guy" are forms of scapegoat.

And, more specifically, the Biblical scapegoat:

In the Bible, a scapegoat is an animal that is ritually burdened with the sins of others, and then driven away. The concept first appears in Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community.

About the WWII Holocaust, I know there's some controversy about how many Jews were killed in concentration camps. But there's no controversy at all about the fact that Hitler and the Nazis blamed the Jews (and Communists) for all the problems in European society, and that virtually all European Jews were subsequently driven out, if indeed they weren't killed. They were scapegoats in the perfect Biblical sense.

I don't think anyone else understood what they were really up to. They did it by deceit.
As I understand it, the Jews were very open that they wanted a multicultural society because they felt that diversity would make them safer. What's deceptive about that? Or am I misunderstanding MacDonald's argument?

You're making the "goyim" into victims by claiming that they're too stupid to understand what the evil Jews were doing. Ignoring the possibility that businessmen and Catholic leaders supported it for their own reasons. Ignoring the possibility that many Americans supported it because the Jews were right, and it was and is the right thing to do.

And, of course, ignoring the possibility that so much of this immigration is caused by the deadly effects of ongoing American and European colonialism and imperialism.
 
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Richard Stanley

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But then, some years ago, Jerry told me that my bitcoin would crash, and I lost a lot of money because I deferred to his judgement. That was the last end of deferring to Jerry.
Well, as Jerry said, he was right and you were soooo wrong. It's about timing.

Back during the tech bubble, I was making thousands a day, skimming money off the stock market 'investors' (aka suckers) like a Robert Mercer-enary, only I was doing it manually with a few mouse clicks and not Mercer's high-speed theft algorithm. Mercer, that guy that helped put the Bavarian orangutan in office.

I proudly stopped trading (stealing) very near the peak, and besides it was exhausting, and I'm not a morning person, as is necessary on the West Coast, if you were going to buy into Juniper Networks daily sine wave that is.

Where was I going to park my pirate booty beside a cash account? I was into George Gilder's tech meme and some tech investment guru name Murphy. Murphy insisted that such as WorldCom was a great place, as they were getting DoD contracts and the Chicomms were interested. So I did that and some other 'high quality' tech that had already been knocked way down. Big mistake. WorldCom soon (criminally) went to zero, for one. I should have considered Murphy's Law, and have understood about elite (white) pirates' market strategy of "pump and dump", and that Gilder was the college roommate of David Rockefeller. The latter whose father taught Sunday School at a Baptist Church. I know, Rockefeller worked for the Rothschilds, but they work for the Vatican. (See more below about Marx.)

The Southern Baptists were made to apologize for their role in slavery, and they did so with gritted teeth. Their Lost Cause was not completely lost. Yes, they had no bananas, but slavery just moved offshore, to such as Central and South America. They even let some Jews, like Edward Bernays play. Now people like the Trumps make their trinkets offshore, in places like Communist China, so that people can get them cheap, and not just in dollar stores.

Jerry and I don't play black and white favorites, the world is shades of gray. Your view is binary, where your volk are pure and superior, except for the fact that they need Duke and you to wake them up, just like Hitler did. As Jerry alluded to, Mein Kampf is mostly rants about how the Jews were responsible for all their post-WWI problems. But it was Kaiser Wilhelm that fucked them over the most, and his blood kin in the other imperial capitals of Europe.

And Jerry discovered Wolfgang Waldner, who discussed that Karl Marx was married into the Prussian nobility, and how his Marxism/ Communism is really a Machiavellian co-optation of organizing workers, thus needing distinction from 'Socialism'. It was the German Communists' refusal to come together with the German Socialists that guaranteed Hitler his election victory. Goodbye Weimar Republic. Shades of Hillary vs. Sanders, aka Divide and Conquer. Goodbye American Republic.

Proud anti-intellectual (lazy, stupid, beta) whites, marching around with Chinese made tiki-torches, shouting Blood and Soil? Where did that come from? It came from the royals' ancestor George II, whose Romantic Movement raise such ... to help justify the practice of race slavery and colonial imperialism. But that's OK with you, because they were 'Christians'. No shit, says the Logos. "You can even buy your Legos in Lagos, and bananas".

There is a lot of research about Jews and the slave trade. I read about that one evening - beyond what David Duke said. Even Louis Farrakhan wrote about it. It's real. Jews were big slave owners. They owned a lot of slave ships. They try to suppress this information, but you can find it. The thing that bothers me about it is all the Hollywood movies pointing the finger at white Christians alone. I don't expect people to be wise beyond their own era.
Nothing new here, I've discussed this, and about slavery was also rampant in the North. The Jews Bible and the Christian Bible just looooves slavery, so don't feel so bad, except that now you and Duke are all liberal-like in distancing yourselves from what your God wants. Leviticus says that you must treat your enslaved brother better than non-kin slaves. Various Christian 'book's just tell massah and slave to be nice to each other. OK, so nowhere dooz it say that Blacks are descended from ol Hambone or his son Canaan; this being rather silly, except for some small number of Blacks insisting that they are just such.

I just mainly want to know why you and Jerry think Jews are scapegoats. I don't have the background to analyze much of your writings without a lot of work, but you should be able to explain it briefly - if it holds much water.
You just mainly want to know why Jews are scapegoats? Wrong, this is belied by your having unloaded all your ill-researched, cherry-picked, half-truth (at best) memes here, the sloth allowing you all to claim that you're not fear-driven and fear-driving racists, when you are.

Machiavelli would not have made a name for himself if there weren't such gullible sheep and cattle around that refuse to wake up. In any case, I have labelled the Western world as being composed of Shepherds, Sheepdogs, and Sheep. In this case, the Sheepdogs are expendable, and sometimes have to be put down, deflecting blame from their owners, the Shepherds. Due to your mental framing, you see the Sheepdogs, and the induced fear and loathing triggers you in such a way that you either forget about the Shepherds, or perversely you identify with the perverse Shepherds, who only nominally (in name only) share your professed morals.

I have explained the origins of the Jews, via various means, and discussed the implications of the moral inversion imposed upon the people that call themselves Jews. The moral inversion is the 613 CULTURAL laws of Moses, which, excepting for the 10 Commandments, turned the audience into Opposite People of the Age, not just having an "Opposite Day". Prior to this the 'Jews' used to be normative Canaanites, except for their elites that is.

There is only one reason to impose such an inversion, and the very fact of this brutal and bloody (such as the shibboleth) manner of imposition, regardless of exactly when it was implemented, proves that Jewish tribal behaviors are not from bad genes, but rather this was a synthetic imposition of tribal behavior. It was expressly performed to set the Jews off from all other people, of the day then, and lesser so today, because most Jews today are more Hellenizing (cosmopolitan, multi-cultural) than YOU. Again, you and your mis-guided ilk, are now the inverted, zenophobic ones. YOU ARE A (virtual) OG JEW, and I mean it. And, you are being set up to be the sacrificial lambs, so you are justified in some fear, but you're taking the bait.

Now that you know, you can approach your neighbors with your nose up, your neck stiff, and and proudly say, "who's the Jew now ... bitches". And then you can all start getting along great. If you tell them your maiden name they'll even treat you like a shepherdess.

"I don't have the background to analyze much of your writings without a lot of work, but you should be able to explain it briefly - if it holds much water."

Your neighbors might be justified to ask if you need a bigger container. I told you about the crows, the scarecrow, and the farmer. Now I've revealed the Laws of Moses (aka the shepherd, aka pharaoh). Joseph and pharaoh colluded and rigged the markets (Genesis 47), they thus acquired all the peoples' crops, livestock, and land, and finally the people happily sold themselves into slavery. Joseph even moved all the new slaves around to different areas, like the banana plantations did with their virtual slaves.

But no, while the Bible tells you so, you know better ... than even your shitty God does. Because most people believe what makes them feel better about themselves and ignore everything else.

Who are you going to believe, your Bible or your lying eyes? And so, no, Joseph was not a Jew, not if you have eyes to read.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7 KJV)​
 
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Jerry Russell

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It's about timing.
That's why she was right, and I was (mostly) not. Making (or stealing?) quick and easy money in the market is all about timing, especially when it comes to Bitcoin.

I've come to grudgingly admit that some cryptocurrencies might yet come to have some semi-stable value, as a medium of digital exchange. But Bitcoin is very primitive in many ways, compared to its many newer competitors. Thus, I still predict that it's ultimately going to zero, like WorldCom.

Sorry to hear about your WorldCom story, btw.

The moral inversion is the 613 CULTURAL laws of Moses, which, excepting for the 10 Commandments, turned the audience into Opposite People of the Age, not just having an "Opposite Day".
Most of what you wrote is pretty clear, but this could leave Miss Kitty (and any other readers) scratching their heads. The 613 laws that were inverted, were the cultural laws of 18th Dynasty Egypt and / or Egypt's Canaanite colonies, circa 1300 BC. This leads to our conjecture that Judaism was invented by the Pharaohs of that time, as a means for creating a culture that would be regarded as hopelessly evil and isolated by both the Egyptian and preceding Canaanite peoples. (Of course we didn't invent this conjecture; we are following Freud to some extent, as well as the Sabbah brothers' "Secrets of the Exodus" and others.)

If you tell them your maiden name they'll even treat you like a shepherdess.
You mean 'Kitty', as in 'Miss Kitty'? Nobody with a Japanese-sounding name is going to get treated like royalty in a Jewish neighborhood.
 

Richard Stanley

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Most of what you wrote is pretty clear, but this could leave Miss Kitty (and any other readers) scratching their heads.
I was thinking this would arouse the curiosity of Miss Kitty, and clear up the gunsmoke around her head. But maybe this curiosity would make her use up one of her 9 lives?
(Of course we didn't invent this conjecture; we are following Freud to some extent, as well as the Sabbah brothers' "Secrets of the Exodus" and others.)
And Jan Assmann, a German Egyptologist, and alumni of ... the University of Göttingen.

Conjecture?
 

Jerry Russell

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Conjecture?
If we're humble, maybe somebody else will come along and argue for some stronger description.

The other day, I argued that the insider leak + followon hack theory of the DNC data release was 99% certain. In retrospect maybe I was a little high on that estimate. The main opposing theory, of course, is the single Russian hack theory. Other scenarios are possible.

With our theory for Israel's origins, what would you say are the strongest competing hypothesis or hypotheses? And, how would you rate our Bayesian posterior probability? I might give us an 80% overall, but I doubt if Carrier would.
 

Richard Stanley

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With our theory for Israel's origins, what would you say are the strongest competing hypothesis or hypotheses?
As far as I can tell, the current consensus is between the shit happens, disconnected randomness - coincidence theory, mirrored by the religionists' divine guidance of the miraculous mustard seed of Abraham theory. The divine miracle is that the Jews and Christians (ignoring here the Muslims) managed to survive and thrive in the neighborhoods of the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans.

Admitting that our theory may yet have some holes in it, I'd say closer to 90 or even 95%. I'm also allowing here, for the cuckholding inputs of such as De Vere's Arya, or the Royal Saka, or as the Ashina, into the beginnings of the 18th Dynasty, via the prior Shepherd Kings or Hyksos.

In this regard, Miss Kitty may like what I've responded to Iconn2222 here.
 

Miss Kitty

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I've been looking into the Scofield Bible. Dr. Cyrus Scofield was a fairly unimportant somewhat shady preacher who managed to gain entry into a social club in New York called the Lotos Club. It was the sort of place that you could meet luminaries of the day (the early 1900s) like Mark Twain. The club still exists. Also there at the time was a wealthy Jewish Lawyer called Samuel Untermyer, a Zionist, who helped to establish the Federal Reserve. Scofield's annotated bible was published by the Oxford University Press while he was a member of the Lotos Club. No one has been able to establish that Scofield had a doctorate. The connection between Scofield and Untermyer is circumstantial, but maybe more important, the Scofield Bible was re-written by the OUP in 1967, after Scofield's death, adding even more Zionist friendly notes:

http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/carlson01.htm

It's a common belief in the Middle East that "Jews re-wrote the Bible." I have heard this for years from Palestinians and others, and yet I have never heard this from an American. I found estimates that there are now about one hundred million followers of Scofield's Bible in America, and they believe that the lands of Israel include places like Lebanon and Syria, justifying these horrific wars in the Middle East. How does this benefit America at all? It sounds to me like maybe the idiots in the Bible Belt have been duped by the usual suspects.

If you could establish the connection between Untermyer and Scofield, or prove that Jews at the OUP re-wrote the Scofield Bible in 1967, your book could be banned on Amazon, just like KMac's Culture of Critique. It was banned a few weeks ago.
 

Jerry Russell

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I've been looking into the Scofield Bible.
So have we, since about 2004, when we posted this article at our old 911 website.

https://www.911-strike.com/christian-zionists.htm

Quick summary: Christian Zionism can be traced back to book entitled "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty" by a Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza, who claimed to be a Jewish convert to Christianity. His pretrib rapture theory got picked up by Edward Irving, Mary Campbell and Margaret MacDonald, who were American pentecostal Christians who said that their teachings were verified by psychic visions. Next, Scofield picked up the theme, and was allegedly funded by the "Secret Six" (four Unitarians, a Presbyterian and a Congregationalist) as well as Untermeier, who was Jewish.

When Scofield's annotated bible was finished, three million free copies of a pamphlet advocating Scofield's Christian Zionism were distributed by Lyman Stewart, founder of Union Oil. Stewart grew up wanting to be a Christian missionary, but somehow found himself in the oil business instead.

If you could establish the connection between Untermyer and Scofield, or prove that Jews at the OUP re-wrote the Scofield Bible in 1967...
You're only proving my point, that your agenda is not to tell the whole story, but to find a scapegoat.
 
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Richard Stanley

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You can't have a glorious End Times Rapture and Tribulation unless you (meaning humans) first set the predicates. Secularists, like me, and including atheist Israeli Zionists (the majority of them), have been in denial about the End of the World. We were all framed growing up by cartoons depicting various kooks screaming out such as that "the sky is falling". The predicates for accomplishing a new (and more globalized) age (per the Jewish, Christian and Islamic canons), must be achieved by first framing the minds of the various herds of humans that are expected to unwittingly play their respective roles. The various true believers making the best cannon fodder and useful idiots so to speak. They know what to happily do, and whom to do it to, just press the right trigger or wave the red flag. One way or the other, they will end up in Paradise. The rest in the smoking Bottomless Pit (symbolized, at least, perfectly by where one of the WTC towers used to be).

The predicates for the Futurist Apocalypse are:

  • One must create Xian fundamentalists by allowing them first the ability to widely read, and then provide easy access to the newly printed Bible, this allowing them to (correctly) see the degeneracy of the serfer's 'Mother Church', so that they could easily frame the Church as the AntiChrist. Reframing propaganda always works best when there are elements of truth involved.
  • One must have a reason to leave the safe and comfy cultural nests of their ancestors, and religious war(s) between the two opposing camps of Xian true believers provided the motivation to transform human sheep into Old Testament mindsets as respective Conquerers and Conquistadors of the New World. This was encouraged by the Franciscan Della Rovere popes who gave us the Sistene Chapel, now understood to be a reproduction of the biblical description of Solomon's Temple. The younger pope Urban(?) even rode a donkey to evoke the foreboding urgency of Jesus entering Jerusalem. Per the canon, Jesus the fishy Alpha and sheepish Omega, operates on a millennial clock, in alternating conjunction with Satan, and thus the Della Roveres' were 'merely' beating the human beehive for setting the predicates.
  • The millennial clock had already been functioning, on perfect time, with the Norman 'Conquest'; it taking place 1,000 years after the Jewish War, and it being memorialized by the Domesday Book, for Doomsday, the Biblical apocalypse. The Normans brought Jews along with them into England, and the 'Normans' built Romanesque architectural constructs, perfectly mimicking imperial Roman architecture. The supposedly once crude Vikings quickly and curiously established the best universities in Europe of their day in Normandy and England. Here, they perfectly symbolize 'Ephraim', the receiver of Abraham's blessing, not the 'Jews'. The applicable dates even incorporate the ubiquitous 3.5 years found in the Book of Revelation, and of which was the half way point in the Jewish War marked by the destruction of the Temple.
  • Scofield, as a front man, takes it upon himself to alter the meaning of the gospel (Matthew) word 'generation', to claim that the Second Coming was really sometime in the future. It was originally commonly used figuratively to mean a period of forty years, which made it into a supposed prediction (written after the fact) of Titus Flavius's destruction of the Temple in 70 CE as being the Second Coming of Christ.
  • The Christian [sic] Nazi schism was another predicate setting event, with Hitler as its false messiah. Without which, there would be no modern day Israel, including the various 'transfer agreements', where early Israeli infrastructure was built with Nazi German materials such as steel. See Black's (a Jew) The Transfer Agreement. Sardonically, the Germans, Kaiser Wilhelm and Otto von Oppenheim, had already gotten the global Islamic jihad started in its first phases with the help of the last Ottoman leaders. The surviving Nazis would push this forward.
  • Nazis aside, the theological cosmoview of Muhhamed would make it impossible for Muslims to ever accept Jews, especially secular Jews, as equal partners in the Holy Lands, much less anywhere else in Muslim lands. Jews, Christians, Sabeans, and a few others can live safely in the Islamic world, according to Muhammed at least, but only by being subservient to Muslims. A dual state is thus impossible. And all of these true belivers, at least, have global aspirations embedded heavily in their canons. Only Jesus, aka Isa, and/or the Hidden Imam can resolve the issue, by some serious otherwise genocide. The Catholic Church is quietly stating that the new savior is a'coming from our solar system's Heavens. they see his army assembling using the Jesuit's and NASA's LUCIFER telescope in Arizona.
  • While in their formative stages, the Christian Taliban are told to avoid the worldly affairs of mankind, Billy Grahamcracker et al. with his provocatively named Crusades tells them to engage in politics with a vengeance.
  • The second [sic] Third Temple must be built, and this is a ways off, yet allowing for the script's millennial clock to be fulfilled.
  • On 9/25/15, Francis (honoring the Franciscans, and remembering the Della Roveres) had a reader announce that the savior was soon to be born, by reading from Isaiah 9, in Spanish no less, in Madison Square Garden. Just before that, Francis stopped at the Bottomless Pit. And when he left the USA, from his plane he could see a Blood Red Moon, also from Revelation. That's not all regarding his apocalyptic itinerary.
  • The JudeoHellenistic [sic], astrological solar system cooperated on 9/23/17 allowing the complex and unique alignment of Revelation 12 to be perfectly fulfilled. In this dynamic [sic] performance, Space Jesus, aka Jupiter, aka Isa, was born from the belly of the Virgin (aka Lady Fatima) after spending 9 months (in retrograde motion) there. 'Somebody' knew this would happen, just as with 9/11/2001, and it's remarkable and dynamic cosmic alignment. That's how we got the Bottomless Pit in any case.
  • Oy, I've barely started on Lady Fatima. She'll have to wait till the next session.
Did the Soviet and other Eastern Jews that formed the majority of the new Israeli polity understand that such as the Christian Zionists were drooling for Israel to reemerge, .... because this would demonstrate that the path to the bloody new Omega and utopic new Alpha was here. Many of the Zionist leaders were trying to convince the Arabs and Palestinians that they could work together for everyone's benefit, but little did they realize that they would have drooling Christian fundamentalists trying to push them over the cliff, like the literal scapegoats that gave rise to the metaphor. The mad pigs of Gadara pushing the scapegoats off a cliff?

I'll be adding more to this later, including the Catholic and Islamic contributions, such as Lady Fatima.

The prior mad pigs, as we learned from Joe Atwill, were the apocalyptic minded, nationalist, (and even evangelical proselytizing) Jews of the day. Ironically, these Jews had one important thing in common with Octavian Augustus Caesar, namely that they thought a new age was a'coming. But only one party would be the real new Chosen Ones, the Elect so to speak. The new age was the imperium that superseded the 'glorious' Roman Republic, thanks to the fake populist, Julius Caesar (aka JC I :rolleyes:). Of whom, and not so incidentally, was very popular with many (more cosmopolitan) Jews, as their messiah after Cyrus of Persia, because Julius had vanquished Pompey the Great, who had defiled the Jerusalem Temple. Pompey was actually beheaded (like John the Baptist) by the brother of Cleopatra, who was unsuccessfully trying to curry favor with JC I.
 
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Richard Stanley

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Predicates Part 2:

(Note that I've made significant additions to the prior post.)

In the throes of WWI, a Catholic hoax was unfurled in the Portuguese town of Fatima. The name of the town extended back, as a cultural legacy, to the long occupation of the Iberian Peninsula by the so-called Moors. Fatima is the name of the 'first lady' of Shia Islam, whose name was adopted by the Fatimids. Yes, there seems to be a backstory to this, another related, cynical religio-political ploy, but I won't cover that here.

Here below are some relevant aspects of the Fatima prophecies:

During the Spanish Second Republic, apparitions of the Virgin Mary were seen on Spanish soil at Ezquioga. Ramona Olazabal said that Mary had marked the palms of her hands with a sword. Seers gained much credence in Integrist and Carlist circles. The visions at Ezquioga were widely covered in the press, as were sixteen other visitations of the Virgin reported in 1931 in Spain. Conservative elements in the Spanish Church actively encouraged the Fátima devotion as a way of countering the perceived threat of atheistic Communism. In Portugal and its former colony of Brazil, conservative groups were sometimes associated with the cult of Fátima. When Germany invaded Russia in 1941, some Catholics interpreted this in terms of the Fátima apparitions, and believed that the Virgin's prophecy was about to be fulfilled.
The original apparitions took place during the six months preceding the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, and supposedly the Lady talked to the children about the need to pray for Russia. Lucia admitted later that the children initially thought she was requesting prayers for a girl named Russia. In the first edition of Sister Lúcia's memoirs, published after the outbreak of WW II, she focused on the issue of Russia. The warning by the Lady that "if Russia was not consecrated, it would spread its errors throughout the world" was often seized upon as an anti-communist rallying cry.
The Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima, for instance, has always been strongly anti-Communist and its members often associated the Fátima story in the context of the Cold War.[31] The Blue Army is made up of Catholics who believe that by dedicating themselves to daily prayer (specifically, of the Rosary), they can help to achieve world peace and put an end to the error of communism. Organizations such as the Blue Army have gained the approval of the Catholic Church. ...
So Fatima, the Virgin Mary, was used to rally traditionalist Catholics, aka feudal monarchists, against the various branches of (classical) liberal Modernism, represented by '(r)epublicans, Rationalist intellectuals, and workers movements such as socialists and communists. Thus she was deployed in Portugal and Spain, and was used to rally the faithful to Hitler's cause against first, the Eastern Orthodox Church, but then conveniently against the Bolsheviks. Who gnew they were coming? What the divine Lady Fatima, mother of Isa (Jesus) was being coy?

Interestingly the Bolsheviks, upon seizing power in Russia, made peace with Germany, and thus enabled the Kaiser's forces to redeploy to the Western Front, prolonging the war and increasing the average German's miseries. Thus making them ever more susceptible to Hitler's coming messianic pleadings, their sufferings easy to transfer onto the backs of the Jews, via Church theological framing. But, it was also just after this agreement that the 'Bolsheviks' shot Tsar Nicholas and his family.

And here we must ask, who was the real target du jour? And in the context of what we know about Lenin's train ride, his connections to such as the Rothschild's, their connection to the Church, Trotsky's and Stalin's real agendas, and what Marx was really up to, given his marital relationship to Prussian aristocracy, i.e. his bewilderingly radical Marxism co-opting 'workers' Socialism. Just like 'Allied' corporations helping to build and sustain Nazi Germany, they (including yuuge antiSemite Henry Ford) were also curiously aiding the young Soviet Union. As we saw with Suvorov's Icebreaker, Hitler's endeavor was designed to peter out, just as did Napoleon's, in Russia. Lady Fatima was so cocerned about bring Russia aback into the fold of the Mother church, and like the mainline Protestants, the Orthodox Churches seem willing to at least talk, 'oddly' sending their leaders to Rome to talk about priest pedophilia. And even more interesting while (Jesuit educated) Steve Bannon is fulmanating against (the Jesuit pope) Francis because the latter is not taking care of .... priest pedophilia. Heavens, what would Space Jesus think of ... priest pedophilia?

That the German Nazi's lost their jihad did not prevent Lady Fatima from being rolled out to the Catholics of Vietnam, after the French had not been able to hold onto their colony. In America, the most vocal supporter of garnering American involvement to save the Catholic cause (and opium trade) in Vietnam was New York's Cardinal Spellman, from which the war became known to some as Spelly's War.

The Moors, interestingly, were finally booted out of Spain on the day before Christopher Columbus departed for the first time across the Atlantic Ocean.

To conclude (for now?), excepting for the Preterist minded Liberal Protestants (who are fading variously) and Preterist minded Catholics, the Evangelicals, the Muslims, the messianic Jews, and the Orthodox Russians all have a Futurist eschatological interpretation that seem to converge, curiously appearing that one individual could resolve their anticipations ... one way or another.

As I am now investigating, the Islamic cosmoview, delivered by Muhhammed, irrespective of Shiite versus Sunni considerations, is what prevents any political solution to occur in Palestine, mandating what must appear to true believers as divine intervention. I insist that 'somebody' understood this.
 

Miss Kitty

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You seem to be incapable of hearing what I'm actually saying. I would never say that.



Excuse me, but I think what I said was that I thought bitcoin would probably crash, or that there was a high risk of it crashing. I still don't see any real value in that currency. But if indeed I made some sort of pretense to infallible market predicting skills, and then you believed me, then we both screwed up.

Since then, the Bitcoin price has indeed crashed, not just once but twice.



You (and Kevin MacDonald) are ignoring the fact that the vast majority of "White Christian" businessmen were also in favor of immigration, because the US economy was expanding and there was a need for labor. And furthermore, the majority of "White Christian" politicians were in favor, for exactly the same reason. And of course Catholic leaders were also in favor, because a lot of Catholics were coming in.

If all this is true (and it certainly is), then blaming "the Jews" for what happened is a perfect example of scapegoating.

From Wikipedia:

Scapegoating is the practice of singling out a person or group for unmerited blame and consequent negative treatment. Scapegoating may be conducted by individuals against individuals (e.g. "he did it, not me!"), individuals against groups (e.g., "I couldn't see anything because of all the tall people"), groups against individuals (e.g., "Jane was the reason our team didn't win"), and groups against groups.
A scapegoat may be an adult, child, sibling, employee, peer, ethnic, political or religious group, or country. A whipping boy, identified patient or "fall guy" are forms of scapegoat.

And, more specifically, the Biblical scapegoat:

In the Bible, a scapegoat is an animal that is ritually burdened with the sins of others, and then driven away. The concept first appears in Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community.

About the WWII Holocaust, I know there's some controversy about how many Jews were killed in concentration camps. But there's no controversy at all about the fact that Hitler and the Nazis blamed the Jews (and Communists) for all the problems in European society, and that virtually all European Jews were subsequently driven out, if indeed they weren't killed. They were scapegoats in the perfect Biblical sense.



As I understand it, the Jews were very open that they wanted a multicultural society because they felt that diversity would make them safer. What's deceptive about that? Or am I misunderstanding MacDonald's argument?

You're making the "goyim" into victims by claiming that they're too stupid to understand what the evil Jews were doing. Ignoring the possibility that businessmen and Catholic leaders supported it for their own reasons. Ignoring the possibility that many Americans supported it because the Jews were right, and it was and is the right thing to do.

And, of course, ignoring the possibility that so much of this immigration is caused by the deadly effects of ongoing American and European colonialism and imperialism.
You are extremely literal. I will try to be more precise.

I proposed on the phone that you think white men are uniquely evil, and you agreed. Maybe you don't remember, but I do. It's a common question on the dissident right that you might not be too familiar with.

I started buying bitcoin when it was maybe $20, and had a bitcoin miner. You were not buying, and were pretty negative on the topic of bitcoin. If you had said, "Yeah, I think bitcoin is a great short term speculation," I would have kept at least some of it a lot longer. Since I was lazy, and your advise about gold actually paid for my seven year illness (remember that?), I was anxious to get out of bitcoin. I was of the opinion, "Jerry is practically always right." If I had kept even half of my bitcoin a bit longer, I think I'd be richer than you. I've stopped being quite so lazy, and I honor my own opinions more highly. But it was a bitter pill.

KMac demonstrates that Jewish organizations were responsible for changing the immigration laws. They lobbied endlessly from at least the 1920s onward. Prior to 1965, the immigration laws had been geared towards maintaining the existing ethnic balance. The aim of Jewish organizations was to make things safer and more comfortable for Jews by making white Christians a minority in their own country. And the main proponents of this movement knew it at the time. Where do you find that business leaders at the time (in 1965) were looking for massive amounts of permanent cheap labor from Mexico with voting rights? At the time, I think practically everyone but Jews believed it wouldn't much change the ethnic balance of the country. No, I don't think Jews were giving speeches to white Americans advocating making us a minority in our own country back in 1965.

There are still plenty of Jews in Europe. I think they may be the main drivers of replacement level immigration there, too.

I don't think you understand yet what it means to experience population replacement level immigration. Why not call up the mayor and demand to have 200,000 asylum seekers from the border placed in Eugene? It's a sanctuary city, right? Really, Jerry, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

For sure, business leaders did join in sometime after 1965 for the cheap labor. In fact, for years, and even today in the MSM, that's all you ever hear - it's the fault of businesses that want cheap labor and democrats that want votes. And yeah, the Pope goes on TV to advocate for open borders. But when do you hear that it's the fault of neurotic Jews who are afraid of being turned into lamp shades? You don't hear it - because Jews are controlling the MSM.

You know, we (the Americans) saved the Jews from Nazi Germany. We have every right to criticize them. Most people can take criticism and change their behavior. And now, Jews are instrumental in shutting down free speech in another neurotic effort to keep from getting turned into soap.

How are you going to get along with people like this: "Yeah, I make violent porn expressing an atavistic hatred of white Christians, but you hate me because I'm a Jew, and you want to throw me in an oven" ?

You know, a lot of people on the dissident right see the evil Jewish world we live in, but have just decided to move to the countryside to raise big families - off the grid if they have to. They are living like you - just in case their youtube channels are discontinued permanently. They hope that some day, the Jews will stop being so neurotic.
 
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Jerry Russell

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I proposed on the phone that you think white men are uniquely evil, and you agreed.
Maybe you asked on the phone whether Northern European ("Western") Civilization is uniquely evil, and I would have agreed. It's also uniquely high achieving, but I don't need to tell you that.

If I had kept even half of my bitcoin a bit longer, I think I'd be richer than you.
Right. And if I'd put half my money into Bitcoin then, and got out at the right moment, I'd be richer than God. A missed opportunity. Bygones.

For sure, business leaders did join in sometime after 1965 for the cheap labor. In fact, for years, and even today in the MSM, that's all you ever hear - it's the fault of businesses that want cheap labor and democrats that want votes. And yeah, the Pope goes on TV to advocate for open borders.
You admit that "White" American business, Democrats in general, and the Pope want open borders? Yet you still want to scapegoat the Jews? The more you argue, the more you prove my point.

How are you going to get along with people like this: "Yeah, I make violent porn expressing an atavistic hatred of white Christians, but you hate me because I'm a Jew, and you want to throw me in an oven" ?
How am I supposed to have a discussion with someone who can't accurately quote another person's statement, even after they've been corrected once already?

Since the "atavistic hatred" quote is in print, we can look at it again.

Some porn stars viewed themselves as frontline fighters in the spiritual battle between Christian America and secular humanism. According to Ford, Jewish X-rated actors often brag about their ‘joy in being anarchic, sexual gadflies to the puritanical beast’. Jewish involvement in porn, by this argument, is the result of an atavistic hatred of Christian authority: they are trying to weaken the dominant culture in America by moral subversion.

Nobody is actually being quoted as expressing their "atavistic hatred", but the author is imputing this view to others. And it's not hatred of "white Christians" being expressed, it's hatred of Christian authority. Which is a very different thing.

You know, we (the Americans) saved the Jews from Nazi Germany.
Actually, it was the Soviet Union that defeated Nazi Germany. Americans came in for a mop-up operation after Nazi Germany was already defeated.

And now, Jews are instrumental in shutting down free speech in another neurotic effort to keep from getting turned into soap.
Yes, but there are other forces arrayed against free speech. Catholics and the Deep State don't like it either.

I don't think you understand yet what it means to experience population replacement level immigration. Why not call up the mayor and demand to have 200,000 asylum seekers from the border placed in Eugene? It's a sanctuary city, right?
Trump's tweet about this is pretty interesting. Maybe we should have a new thread about it, and really look into the distribution of sanctuary cities that will get extra immigrants, vs. the ones that will get "protected" from further immigration under Trump's proposal.

Rick has been predicting Civil War in America, and this would be one way to set the stage. Let's put the Democrats and immigrants into one armed camp, and Republicans and the Trump base and "White Christians" in another. I guess the multiculturalists would get the east and west coasts, and the white nationalists would get the south and the midwest? Maybe social conditions will develop so that people don't have much choice but to take sides, and move to where they feel comfortable.

Who's going to win? It depends on which side gets control of the US air force and strategic missile command, right? "White Christians" with AR-15s are not going to stand a chance against "White Liberals", Jews and Latinos with jet fighters, bombers, tanks and nukes?
 

Jerry Russell

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I realized I didn't actually know what "atavistic" means, so I looked it up.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/atavistic

Atavistic: Happening because of a very old habit from a long time ago in human history, not because of a conscious decision or because it is necessary now.

So, in choosing that word, the Jewish author of the piece was effectively criticizing his Jewish compatriots in the film business, for harboring obsolete and unnecessary hatred of Christian authority. Which I'm sure some Jewish people do, although I think it's debatable whether some level of distrust of "Christian authority" isn't perfectly reasonable.
 

Jerry Russell

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There are still plenty of Jews in Europe. I think they may be the main drivers of replacement level immigration there, too.
To be specific: according to census data (generally based on self-identification of ethnic identity): in Poland in 1942 there were 3 million Jews. As of 2016, there are 3,200. In Germany in 1900, there were 600,000 Jews, in 1970 there were 30,000.

In France as of 2016, Jews make up 3% of the population. In the UK, 2%. In Germany, 1%. It seems that no percentage of Jewish population is small enough to satisfy you, or to protect the "poor liddle" White population from their nefarious schemes.

Of course in reality, immigration into Europe is being driven mostly by pressure of immigrants coming from "shithole countries" where imperialism and colonialism have had their worst effect; and by humanitarian and egalitarian feelings on the part of most Europeans. It has little or nothing to do with Jewish preferences.

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population_comparisons
 

Richard Stanley

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Maybe you asked on the phone whether Northern European ("Western") Civilization is uniquely evil, and I would have agreed. It's also uniquely high achieving, but I don't need to tell you that.
Watch out Jerry, Russians are Northern Europeans too. Albeit, I've been trying to tell you, in other ways, that Badenov (as in Boris and Natasha) means "Bad Enough". :(

Yes, Rocky and Bullwinkle was brilliantly written on two levels, the superficial level for entertaining the kiddies, and the deeper narrative for the ones "with ears to hear". The divine 'Jew', Jesus, with his secret society, understood this principle in not letting the "Greek pigs" join his insiders' club. Of course, this 'Jew' was no more real than Boris Badenov.

For the record, I believe that Southern European Civilization is uniquely evil, the 'socialistic' Northern Europeans (of today) are too busy being Happy ... for now at least. I think that the Northern Europeans (of today) might even be happy to share their Happiness with everyone else, but the Catholic Revanchist Invasion of the USA is further screwing REAL Americans' (the neoIsraelites like Miss Kitty) Pursuit of Happiness, albeit they were never intended to achieve Happiness, merely to pursue it, like a mirage.

Like Americans (USA Americans), the Southern Europeans are the most unhappy of any 'advanced' nations, because of the insane corruption of its societies, that would make the average Jew blush, except for the likes of the Kushners and the Trumps.

Too bad Miss Kitty didn't watch Hollywood's episode of Tracker, instead of Gunsmoke, where Trump comes to save the town, with a wall and magic umbrellas (probably made in China).
 
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