The following comments were posted at Redice in response to our 4/13 podcast there:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/04/RIR-150413.php
Excellent, excellent, excellent...
Loved this interview and I draw a lot of confidence to stand in my own power to point to the much deeper oligarchical messages that are in all sorts of literature. I thank Joseph Atwill for opening up the idea of using typology as a way of deciphering the intent of the writer. I am still practising how to read this way.
I'm in a book group and my colleagues must be tired of me `going off on one' because I refuse to stay at the surface level of the text. I can now see how popular literature and the ideas of the writers are all (or perhaps nearly all) chosen and `sold' to us in order to shape our thoughts, opinions, likes and dislikes.
Last month we read A Room with a View by EM Forster. There is loads of symbolism, and one strong vision I noticed is about half way through the story. Three of the male characters were bathing naked in what was thought of by the female character Lucy as her `sacred pool'. At the same time Lucy, her mother and her then to be fiance witness these 3 naked men and Forster gives the scene an air of comedy. However, later in the novel Lucy feels the pool is lost to her forever. I interpreted this piece as a threat encapsulated by Forster who was educated at Cambridge and part of the Bloomsbury group who were a cultural steering group back in the early 20th century in England. His threat seemed to be telling us that a trinity is intent on destroying the fount of all that is natural as well as pushing civilisation into a backwater as the sacred pool is drained of its culture and life sustaining waters.
The book was first published in 1909, but the content although tame by today's standards would have been inconceivable to have been published into the public domain in an England of 1909. My grandmother was Edwardian and I know that Forster would never have got away with publishing such content at that time. It is my hypothesis that he published the book in 1909 to circulate amongst his peers for discussion and perhaps to inspire new writers like DH Lawrence. The book was republished 40 years later in the early 1950s in a war torn and very changed England, one in which the populace was perhaps ready to embrace new ideas of all sorts and as we see today, they have been mostly degenerate ideas.
The current book of my group is Pat Barker's Regeneration based on anthropologist and Freudian psychologist WH Rivers and his relationship with WW1 poet and officer, Siegfried Sassoon. I have developed my arguments coherently as to what the writer was driving at. I actually enjoy literature far more now because I can read the writer's intent and not just their narrative.
Anyways, thank you RIC and guests.
#10 - karen2uk - 21/04/2015 - 15:59
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Shooting the Bull
Interesting as usual Redice.
The reference in the second part (at 16 minutes) between Sagittarius and Taurus, it not entirely accurate.
Sagittarius governs religion, philosophy, what is far off (over the rainbow) unfamiliar, foreign. He is saying you are not that, but you are like Taurus. Taurus is the Heirophant of the tarot, the orator of the established order. This is the bull that is in front of the EU building, this is the material order, what has solidity, what has been established.
The symbolism of shooting the bull therefore is that of attaining a different perspective.
Also, the I-Ching hexagram 26 refers to shooting the bull and gives a fuller description if how resources (Taurus) are accumulated. Without writing a dissertation, I hope this was of some use to you.
#9 - N1G3L - 21/04/2015 - 00:38
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Genocide!
The corrosion of western culture and society and using integration as a weapon, I might be crazy, but I think Mr. Atwill is talking about #WhiteGenocide.
I feel like Joseph is doing the kind of work that will take the rest of my life to fully explore, in the same spirit as Manly P. Hall and that's a good thing.
#8 - MrWily - 20/04/2015 - 21:23
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Great Exposure of the Control Agenda through the Arts
Brilliant commentary! I was born in the 1950's and am a survivor of the Hog Farm generation. I was forced to read that awful Salinger book in school at age 12! Later, I always felt something very creepy coming from the Grateful Dead (horrible music, dumb lyrics, painful to listen to.) Even today, if I happen to hear a Beatles song while shopping at the grocery, it feels so unsettling, like some entity is still trying to latch on to me. I also attended (and dropped out) of Art College where de Kooning and Pollack were, unbelievably, considered heros of the art world! Thank You Red Ice for helping to REVEAL many truths!
#7 - Cynthia Low - 20/04/2015 - 16:29
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http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/04/RIR-150413.php
Excellent, excellent, excellent...
Loved this interview and I draw a lot of confidence to stand in my own power to point to the much deeper oligarchical messages that are in all sorts of literature. I thank Joseph Atwill for opening up the idea of using typology as a way of deciphering the intent of the writer. I am still practising how to read this way.
I'm in a book group and my colleagues must be tired of me `going off on one' because I refuse to stay at the surface level of the text. I can now see how popular literature and the ideas of the writers are all (or perhaps nearly all) chosen and `sold' to us in order to shape our thoughts, opinions, likes and dislikes.
Last month we read A Room with a View by EM Forster. There is loads of symbolism, and one strong vision I noticed is about half way through the story. Three of the male characters were bathing naked in what was thought of by the female character Lucy as her `sacred pool'. At the same time Lucy, her mother and her then to be fiance witness these 3 naked men and Forster gives the scene an air of comedy. However, later in the novel Lucy feels the pool is lost to her forever. I interpreted this piece as a threat encapsulated by Forster who was educated at Cambridge and part of the Bloomsbury group who were a cultural steering group back in the early 20th century in England. His threat seemed to be telling us that a trinity is intent on destroying the fount of all that is natural as well as pushing civilisation into a backwater as the sacred pool is drained of its culture and life sustaining waters.
The book was first published in 1909, but the content although tame by today's standards would have been inconceivable to have been published into the public domain in an England of 1909. My grandmother was Edwardian and I know that Forster would never have got away with publishing such content at that time. It is my hypothesis that he published the book in 1909 to circulate amongst his peers for discussion and perhaps to inspire new writers like DH Lawrence. The book was republished 40 years later in the early 1950s in a war torn and very changed England, one in which the populace was perhaps ready to embrace new ideas of all sorts and as we see today, they have been mostly degenerate ideas.
The current book of my group is Pat Barker's Regeneration based on anthropologist and Freudian psychologist WH Rivers and his relationship with WW1 poet and officer, Siegfried Sassoon. I have developed my arguments coherently as to what the writer was driving at. I actually enjoy literature far more now because I can read the writer's intent and not just their narrative.
Anyways, thank you RIC and guests.
#10 - karen2uk - 21/04/2015 - 15:59
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Shooting the Bull
Interesting as usual Redice.
The reference in the second part (at 16 minutes) between Sagittarius and Taurus, it not entirely accurate.
Sagittarius governs religion, philosophy, what is far off (over the rainbow) unfamiliar, foreign. He is saying you are not that, but you are like Taurus. Taurus is the Heirophant of the tarot, the orator of the established order. This is the bull that is in front of the EU building, this is the material order, what has solidity, what has been established.
The symbolism of shooting the bull therefore is that of attaining a different perspective.
Also, the I-Ching hexagram 26 refers to shooting the bull and gives a fuller description if how resources (Taurus) are accumulated. Without writing a dissertation, I hope this was of some use to you.
#9 - N1G3L - 21/04/2015 - 00:38
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Genocide!
The corrosion of western culture and society and using integration as a weapon, I might be crazy, but I think Mr. Atwill is talking about #WhiteGenocide.
I feel like Joseph is doing the kind of work that will take the rest of my life to fully explore, in the same spirit as Manly P. Hall and that's a good thing.
#8 - MrWily - 20/04/2015 - 21:23
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Great Exposure of the Control Agenda through the Arts
Brilliant commentary! I was born in the 1950's and am a survivor of the Hog Farm generation. I was forced to read that awful Salinger book in school at age 12! Later, I always felt something very creepy coming from the Grateful Dead (horrible music, dumb lyrics, painful to listen to.) Even today, if I happen to hear a Beatles song while shopping at the grocery, it feels so unsettling, like some entity is still trying to latch on to me. I also attended (and dropped out) of Art College where de Kooning and Pollack were, unbelievably, considered heros of the art world! Thank You Red Ice for helping to REVEAL many truths!
#7 - Cynthia Low - 20/04/2015 - 16:29
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