Links for 6/1 podcast - PNAC

[Jerry Russell]

PNAC's white paper - "Rebuilding America's Defenses"

"My wife is reading a book about hypnosis": "Secret, Don't Tell" by Carla Emery (free excerpts here)

 

[Mike Dexter]

The PNAC document mentions the potential usefulness of an "ethnic" bioweapon. If we can infer that such a weapon would be used against the people of the Middle East, many of whom are Semites, would this not be an anti-semitic weapon? And does this not also constitute a silent confession that the preponderance of Jews in Israel are not themselves Semites?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_theory_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry

I found this book interesting, not only for this particular topic, but also for its discussion of the "conversion" of the Russians to the Orthodox branch of Christianity. (Spoiler alert: it had to do with politics, not religion.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

 

[Jerry Russell]

Hi Mike,

When I google "semite", their dictionary gives the most basic definition as "a descendent of Shem" -- who was, of course, a fictional / mythical character. Their dictionary also mentions that Arabs and other various Middle Eastern nationalities are semites. But, if you google anti-semitism, you'll find that it refers to prejudice against Jews.

So, obviously many semites are also anti-semites. Or, to put it another way: the whole thing is conceptually a mess.

In my post on genetics of the oligarchs, I wrote:

Eran Elhaik (2012) was able to show that European Ashkenazi Jews, whose autosomal genetic signature has long been known, are more similar to Georgians and Armenians from the Caucasus and contain more recent DNA contributions from that region, compared to Palestinian populations. The European Jews are also related to Palestinians, but at a more ancient distance. Elhaik concludes that this supports the theory of a Khazarian sojourn for these European Jews.

This tends to support Koestler's work in "The Thirteenth Tribe", although it is admitted that the Ashkenazi are also at least partly Palestinian as well as Caucasian.

I haven't read Koestler's book for a long time, and I don't recall what he said about how Russians were converted to the "Orthodox" branch.

 

[Mike Dexter]

I can't find a specific reference in my copy - there's a lot of to-ing and fro-ing at the end of Part 3 and the beginning of Part 4. I'll try to be more specific later, but basically, the Russians had conflicts at the time (end of first Millennium AD) with the Khazars, Roman Christians and Muslims and also with Constantinople. They decided in the end to affiliate with the Eastern Orthodoxy to escape being under either the Caliphate or Rome. I think the Khazars were fading out by then, so Judaism wasn't considered as a possible religious option. Also, I think the Khazars, being next door, were too close for comfort.

 

[Mike Dexter]

I mis-remembered. Actually the "Rus" decided it would be politically more expedient for them to form a closer alliance with Byzantium, in effect throwing the Jewish Khazars under the bus, or cart, as it were. It's very complicated, so I won't try to explain it. I highly recommend that one reads or re-reads "The Thirteenth Tribe", which is now freely available on the Internet. Koestler's findings have only gained more credibility recently, especially with new DNA evidence.

 

[mika]

Iraq was invaded to secure the petrodollar, that is, the ability of the US/Vatican mafia to "print" funny money and get real assets for digital accounting nonsense. If you don't like this fraud and those that perpetrate it, I would suggest that the best way to counter it is to vote with your feet. Don't use US currency and/or leave the US.

It burns me up

 

[mika]

The PNAC document mentions the potential usefulness of an "ethnic" bioweapon. If we can infer that such a weapon would be used against the people of the Middle East, many of whom are Semites, would this not be an anti-semitic weapon? And does this not also constitute a silent confession that the preponderance of Jews in Israel are not themselves Semites?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_theory_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry

I found this book interesting, not only for this particular topic, but also for its discussion of the "conversion" of the Russians to the Orthodox branch of Christianity. (Spoiler alert: it had to do with politics, not religion.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

How many Jews today, or ever, have identified themselves or were historically ever identified by others being of Khazar origin?

 

[mika]

The PNAC document mentions the potential usefulness of an "ethnic" bioweapon. If we can infer that such a weapon would be used against the people of the Middle East, many of whom are Semites, would this not be an anti-semitic weapon? And does this not also constitute a silent confession that the preponderance of Jews in Israel are not themselves Semites?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_theory_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry

I found this book interesting, not only for this particular topic, but also for its discussion of the "conversion" of the Russians to the Orthodox branch of Christianity. (Spoiler alert: it had to do with politics, not religion.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

When the "arab" tribes in the Middle were/are killing each other, it means what?
When the tribes in Europe were/are killing each other, it means what?
When the tribes in Africa were/are killing each other, it means what?
When Americans had their civil war, it means what?
When the Chinese had their civil wars, it means what?
And on and on and on..

Anyway, there's definitely malice in your "thinking". I don't fault you personally, you're likely just a Vatican/CIA propagandized parrot. But maybe you should ask yourself how and why you allowed yourself become like that.

 

[mika]

The "constitution" is a trojan horse. It is just another scheme to facilitate centralization. The way to fight the gov mafia is by de-centralization and de-legitimization. So I strongly disagree with you regards voting. It's a scam from a to z. By voting you are lending the gov mafia and its centralized institutions legitimacy.

 

[mika]

What Samuel Said about Solomon

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https://mises.org/library/what-samuel-said-about-solomon

 

[Jerry Russell]

I don't fault you personally, you're likely just a Vatican/CIA propagandized parrot.

Mika, I appreciate that you're trying not to offend Mike Dexter, but I'm not sure how you can call someone a "propagandized parrot" without their possibly taking personal offense. And I'm having trouble finding the point of your rhetorical questions.

Are you disputing the Elhaik findings that Ashkenazi Jewish are related to Caucasian (Khazar) populations more closely than to Semitic / Arabic? If so, what is the basis?

 

[mika]

Well, I like to think of it as a challenge to Mike Dexter. I posed some questions to Mike in the hope that he'll see the nonsense and malice in "his" line of thinking which is borrowed propaganda that he uncritically repeats, much like an unthinking automaton.

As for the "Caucasian DNA", it mean nothing. Jews were scattered all over the globe, so if you look hard enough you'll find trace DNA from probably ALL the populations of the globe represented in the Jewish population (including Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Korean, etc). Nevermind that even during biblical times there was a large population of Hittites in Israel (King David's mistress Bat-Sheva was married to a Hittite Captain).

We all know the purpose of this DNA nonsense. It is Roman propaganda used to de-legitimize the Jewish population and their claim to their ancestral land and nationality. Interestingly, Jews were Jewish enough to mass murder and genocide by the Vatican sponsored Nazis and Stalinists. There's no problem recognizing Jews when it comes to murdering them. So now the question becomes, why would anyone lend a hand to this Vatican malice, other than being a "propagandized parrot"?

 

[Jerry Russell]

I see a conflict between the ideals of human rights and personal freedom, and the ideal of national homelands for specific ethnic groups. That is, supposing that I acknowledge that indigenous American natives (that is, "Indians") have the first right of priority to the North and South American continents. Historically, it could hardly be more clear that they occupied this land before anyone else. Does that mean that America needs to be cleansed of all black (African) peoples, as well as all Europeans? Where would they go? Neither Africa nor Europe stands ready to absorb all these people. This would obviously be a recipe for bloodshed on an unprecedented scale.

Also, the idea of national homelands sometimes includes a religious or cultural component. What if a young person growing up in an indigenous American nation decided to convert and become Islamic? Would that person then need to move to Iran? He would then be at home religiously, but not racially. What a mess.

What shall be done with people of mixed ethnicity? A person of mixed Japanese and Chinese would be at home in neither country?

 

[mika]

Populations migrated not only as a consequence of conquest but often as a consequence of natural disasters. (See: Velikovsky, The TaNaKh). That's why I say there are no Natives or Colonizers. What there is, is genocide. Cultural and physical genocide. That's what ROME is engaged in, and has always engaged in -- genocide. It is the essence of imperialism. That, and theft.

Yes, thanks to ROME, it is a mess. But not so much as you suppose. And even more importantly, I feel that without ROME's machinations and interventions, this mess can and will resolve itself.

 

[Jerry Russell]

The problem I have with this formulation, is that by blaming the problem on ROME you seem to be absolving Jerusalem, and New York, and so forth. So many snakes, but only one medusa whose name is ROME.

As American Protestants and Jewish descendants of European ghetto dwellers, can we really solve anything by vanquishing the Papists in Italy, and perhaps the Catholic districts of Washington and Langley as well?

Why do you object to our alternative formulation, that the problem is the Oligarchs (who exist in every country and every city, with varying degrees of wealth, power and influence) against the citizens (who also exist as people worldwide)?

 

[mika]

Oligarchs don't just happen. They are created. Just like Vatican-Israel and Vatican-Jewry that worships fort Antonia didn't just happen. These things exist and are directed within a system that spawned and sponsors them. That system is ROME.

Nothing is coincidence
Nothing is by accident
Everything is planned

What to do about all this? Talk about it and make people aware. I wish no ill will on anybody. My issue is with the system and our blind participation in it.