LA astounded rare cancers here can you say why?

lorenhough

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Erin Brockovich taking on nuke industry: “Massive amounts of cancer” in hometown near L.A. — Astounded by rare, rare cancers among youth (VIDEOS)
Published: December 21st, 2011
By ENENews


Erin Brockovich interview on Coast to Coast AM, Dec. 19, 2011:

I have one very, very, very close to my house here called Rocketdyne in Simi Valley California.

And they actually had a meltdown in 1958 I believe.

I am astounded at the number of young youths in their 20s coming down with rare, rare cancers.

Nuclear is an issue that’s struck a chord with a lot of people so that was chosen for the second book.



Erin Brockovich and the Risks of Nuclear ‘Hot Water’, Erin Burnett OutFront, Nov. 8, 2011:

Erin Brockovich, the environmental activist whose life was portrayed in a film starring Julia Roberts, says families across the country are at risk from nuclear power plants–a subject she’s written about in a new “fact-based” novel, Hot Water. Brockovich says a study of the teeth of infants living near nuclear plants raises disturbing questions about the risks of contamination–and clusters of cancer–in communities from the West Coast to the Deep South.

“I deal with the Rocket Dyne situation in Simi Valley California where there was actually a meltdown and people dont know that but we’re trying to address these massive amounts of cancer in and around the area.” -Erin Brokovich


More on the Simi Valley meltdown:
 

Jerry Russell

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So there was a meltdown at the Rocketdyne plant in Simi Valley in 1958, and there are still cancers happening around the area. This shows that high doses of radioactivity are very dangerous, and for a timeframe of generations.

None of this contradicts what I'm trying to say about Fukushima, which is that trace amounts of radioactivity at great distances from the accident are not necessarily going to cause equally catastrophic effects.

Nor am I trying to downplay the extent of the tragedy in and around Japan, or the problems that we are facing going forwards as other aging nuclear power plants go into meltdown, or as radiation escapes from failing long-term storage facilities.
 

lorenhough

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So there was a meltdown at the Rocketdyne plant in Simi Valley in 1958, and there are still cancers happening around the area. This shows that high doses of radioactivity are very dangerous, and for a timeframe of generations.

None of this contradicts what I'm trying to say about Fukushima, which is that trace amounts of radioactivity at great distances from the accident are not necessarily going to cause equally catastrophic effects.

Nor am I trying to downplay the extent of the tragedy in and around Japan, or the problems that we are facing going forwards as other aging nuclear power plants go into meltdown, or as radiation escapes from failing long-term storage facilities.
I Absolutely disagree with the above statements about Fukushima! That there Low level effects on the west coast of North America ! Are not a problem.
The is no safe amount!

Just just met a man here in Fiji who lived in Japan and worked at a nuclear power plant during 3-11-11. Had married a Japanese woman and have a child .

He told me that Fukushima was extremely serious risk to all life, killing off the Northern Pacific ocean destroying the west coast of North America and that he moved his family to the southern hemisphere because of it! He was a nuclear physicist 55 years old and this is what he told me . Everyone who can should get away from all nuclear power plants and moved to the southern hemisphere .

A friend of mine a woman very wealthy living in Hawaii on 3-11-11 was called by her friend Dr. Busby the nuclear scientist from England telling her to escape to the southern hemisphere immediately becouse Fukushima was going to endanger her life .

Dr Busby came out and said that Fukushima is no big deal in USA to the public and in private he says completely different things.

I asked my friend why and she said that Dr. Busby was under pressure and that his family would be harmed if told the truth to the public but he's allowed to tell his friends and family the truth .

This is life and death and those who think they know should be very careful with telling others that this is no big deal here on the west coast as far as radiation in the air rain snow and the sea currents that pass by Japan & fuk u Shima and come directly into concentrated on the west coast of North America ! As it bio accumulates!

Look this up before 3-11-11 the number one killer of Children was accidents after Fukushima the number one killer of children is cancer!

More data here; http://enenews.com

LH
 
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Jerry Russell

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Loren,

Since Dr. Busby is only making these alleged comments in private, and you are hearing about them second hand, it's impossible for us to know exactly what he's saying. If someone on Hawaii wanted to live a life free of any risk from radiation, of course Busby would have to advise her to go to Fiji, but I have no idea what Busby really said about the level of risk your friend was facing.

You say: "those who think they know should be very careful with telling others this is no big deal." Well, as I said before, I'm not telling anybody what to do. But when you don't have any real evidence, shouldn't you also be cautious about telling people what to do?

It does seem to be true that there's no completely safe level of radiation. But based on a century of scientific experience with radiation, it's possible to make quantitative estimates of the risks to be expected.

"Look this up... after Fukushima the number one killer of children is cancer!" I can't find any such statistic, not even searching at ENE news, though it is true that cancer cases near Fukushima have absolutely skyrocketed...
 

lorenhough

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Safri search number one killer of children in United States is cancer ; this is what I found
Before 3-11-11 #1 Killer for children was accidents

  1. Statistics | Children with Cancer | Kids Charity | Cure
    www.acco.org › childhood-cancer-statistics
    Approximately 1 in 285 children in the U.S. will be diagnosed with cancer .... By raising awareness of the fact that childhood cancer remains the number one disease killer of America's children, we can ...
    Cancer in Children and Adolescents - National Cancer Institute
    www.cancer.gov › childhood-cancers › c...
    May 22, 2014 - Although cancer in children is rare, it is the leading cause of ... and 1,960 will die of the disease in the United States (1). .... at risk of complications and premature death as they age, with ...
    CDC - Cancer Statistics - Children
    www.cdc.gov › cancer › dcpc › data › c...
    Aug 20, 2015 - Note: The numbers in parentheses are the rates per ... Highest death rate (0.8) found among children aged 1 to 4 years. ... United States Cancer Statistics: 1999 –2012 Incidence and ...
    key statistics for childhood cancer? | American Cancer Society
    American Cancer Society › detailedguide
    About 10,380 children in the United States under the age of 15 will be diagnosed with cancer in 2015. Childhood ... Cancer is the second leading cause of death in children (after accidents). About 1,250 ...
    Childhood Cancer Statistics - CureSearch
    curesearch.org › Childhood-Cancer-Statis...
    May 6, 2015 - Despite major advances – from an overall survival rate of 10 percent just fifty years ago to nearly 90 ...
    Childhood Cancer Facts | Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation for ...
    www.alexslemonade.org › childhood-can...
    Childhood cancer is the leading cause of death by disease in children under the age of 15 in the U.S.; One in 285 ...
    Facts | Kids v Cancer
    www.kidsvcancer.org › facts
    The loss of a child to cancer is one of the worst tragedies a family can face. Each death means the loss of an entire lifetime. ... Each year around 13,500 children are diagnosed with cancer in the US, that's more than a classroom of kids a day.
    Cancer Officially Number One Cause of Childhood Death in U.S. ...
    truthstreammedia.com › 2013/09/24 › ca...
    Sep 24, 2013 - Cancer is the leading cause of childhood death in the United States, with 13,500 new diagnoses each ...
We do know what gen. Burt the 3 rd said don't we?

She moved to New Zealand the next day after dr b said that to her, if it doesn't add up for you,
O well, I talk to joe A every few days, he says to me the ocean is in trouble and it is probably radiation from Japan. Take it second hand.
 
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Jerry Russell

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Loren,

If you follow all those google links, all of them say cancer is the leading cause of death BY DISEASE. In other words, accidents are the leading cause of death in children, and that's still true as of the most recent statistics we have. The last link says that one ABC broadcast mistakenly left out the phrase "by disease", but fixed it in a follow-up.

Maybe your friend was ready to move somewhere anyhow. Maybe she liked the idea of moving south. From what you're saying, it seems clear that she could easily afford it. If all those things are true, Busby's advice might have been very good in that context. Giving advice is a very personal thing.
 

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I had heard about the meltdown at Simi Valley, but just last year....It is an example of something foreign to my "MODEL OF AMERICA" in the 50's ,60's, yet may cause waves in the signal to noise of models of the 2000's...

Cancer is a curious disease in that it seems, like many chronic diseases to correlate positively with life length as if there were also something about aging....
 

lorenhough

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Loren,

If you follow all those google links, all of them say cancer is the leading cause of death BY DISEASE. In other words, accidents are the leading cause of death in children, and that's still true as of the most recent statistics we have. The last link says that one ABC broadcast mistakenly left out the phrase "by disease", but fixed it in a follow-up.

Maybe your friend was ready to move somewhere anyhow. Maybe she liked the idea of moving south. From what you're saying, it seems clear that she could easily afford it. If all those things are true, Busby's advice might have been very good in that context. Giving advice is a very personal thing.
Thanks jerry good job ,
Can you tell me when that became true? The leading couse of cancer by disease. Was t after 3-11-11?
What % is that ?
What % is accidents?

Thanks

Yes she was very rich, and smart. But she wasn't happy about moving.

Thanks for pointing. Out it was second. Hand ( what I said about dr busby above ) for the children. Who follow this site.


To say I have no Evidence is to not look at anything I have written on the site or to look at enenews or to listen to general Burts The 3rds warning.

To say you think think the radiation is low, on the west coast of USA is giving advice !

No died birds in Fiji
  1. http://www.cnn.com/

    January 22, 2016 - (CNN) As he walked on a beach in the western Prince William Sound town of Whittier, seabird biologist David Irons was startled when he saw hundreds of white lumps on the black rock beach.

    They were dead seabirds, in what he would discover were likely record numbers, a sign the ecosystem was being troubled by abnormally warm ocean water.

    The dead birds, common murres that had starved, were lined up and left where the tide had dropped them on the shore.

    "We have never found close to 8,000 birds on a 1-mile long beach before," Irons said of his early January discovery. "It is an order of magnitude larger than any records that I am aware of."

    Biologists like Tamara Zeller have been boating around Prince William Sound scanning the beaches for dead and sickly murres. They also count the birds floating in the water, she told CNN affiliate KTVA.

    They cannot stop at every beach so they estimate the disturbing total of birds from the ship. When they are able to get to shore, the toll is always much higher.

    At Whittier, one day about two weeks ago, she counted 98 of the black and white birds while on the water. On shore she saw 284. The day's total for January 7 was 3,000.

    Full article here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/us/alaska-bird-die-off/index.html

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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

Maybe I should have a disclaimer on the site: "We don't give advice!!" Except that perhaps it would be a bit disingenuous: we do tell people that they should get informed, and do what they can to prepare, and also to work for political change. But aside from that, I don't want to give specific advice. Everyone's life situation is different. If a person is in need of advice, they should consult close friends, or professionals.

Here are charts from the CDC showing the 10 leading causes of death for various age groups:

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html

In 2010, for children ages 5 to 14, there were 1643 deaths by injury, and 916 by cancer.

In 2013 (most recent chart): 1521 by injury, and 895 by cancer.

Basically, no change. For kids under 5, cancer is also essentially unchanged, and is well below many other causes of death including congenital abnormalities, homicide, and various other medical disorders.

When I say "No Evidence", I mean that there's nothing to demonstrate a cause and effect link between Fukushima radiation, and high wildlife mortality off the pacific coast of North America, much less cancer deaths in humans in the USA. The above article from CNN is a case in point: the scientists interviewed attribute the problem with the birds to high ocean temperatures. I think it's correct that ocean temperatures have been high recently on the coast, and it might be related to global warming, or maybe not. There are lots of other problems in the North Pacific: plastics, high dissolved carbon, low oxygen, depleted algae & plankton, and all those factors leading to increased rates of starvation & infectious disease. And it's a long term trend, not just since 2011. I don't know why you (and maybe Joe) say it's "probably radiation". Although I would agree that radiation is probably a factor as well, and will be increasingly so as the contamination spreads around and accumulates in the food chain.
 

lorenhough

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Hi Loren,

Maybe I should have a disclaimer on the site: "We don't give advice!!" Except that perhaps it would be a bit disingenuous: we do tell people that they should get informed, and do what they can to prepare, and also to work for political change. But aside from that, I don't want to give specific advice. Everyone's life situation is different. If a person is in need of advice, they should consult close friends, or professionals.

Here are charts from the CDC showing the 10 leading causes of death for various age groups:

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html

In 2010, for children ages 5 to 14, there were 1643 deaths by injury, and 916 by cancer.

In 2013 (most recent chart): 1521 by injury, and 895 by cancer.

Basically, no change. For kids under 5, cancer is also essentially unchanged, and is well below many other causes of death including congenital abnormalities, homicide, and various other medical disorders.

When I say "No Evidence", I mean that there's nothing to demonstrate a cause and effect link between Fukushima radiation, and high wildlife mortality off the pacific coast of North America, much less cancer deaths in humans in the USA. The above article from CNN is a case in point: the scientists interviewed attribute the problem with the birds to high ocean temperatures. I think it's correct that ocean temperatures have been high recently on the coast, and it might be related to global warming, or maybe not. There are lots of other problems in the North Pacific: plastics, high dissolved carbon, low oxygen, depleted algae & plankton, and all those factors leading to increased rates of starvation & infectious disease. And it's a long term trend, not just since 2011. I don't know why you (and maybe Joe) say it's "probably radiation". Although I would agree that radiation is probably a factor as well, and will be increasingly so as the contamination spreads around and accumulates in the food chain.
Yes jerry thanks to help me be more up to date, and yes I agree there is lots of problem with the environment, it all adds up, yes?
The dr Helen in this video
who has spent her whole life on this problem is very worried about
All that you say but only radiation will last forever!
Mercury form coal plants China is like 600 tones per year in the air, to USA 49 tones per year but we get told wood burning is bad. As Mercury is in the fish you eat.

If you look were the ocean is warm you will see Fiji sea is burning hot as I get in it and see star fish every were! The problem you talk about do not explained why just the west coast and why now. , low oxygen, depleted algae & plankton, and all those factors leading to increased rates of starvation & infectoons disease can be radiation related !!!!yes?. Not much else can do all that at once! You prove my point.

Mercury in your teeth 40 tones a year in USA people's teeth 2 inches from your brain, there are studies that all cancer cell have Mercury and if you have them in your teeth you will be more likely to have cancer in your mouth.

The big boys say is to many people is to blame. Is that why we have nuke bombs?

Or is it a few bad rich people letting China hurt you (by giving them all the factories and cash they can use with salve labor, ) with the air ...1/3 of La ca bad air is from China ...telling us mercury in our teeth or vaccines are good for you? Or use pesticides and herbicides dripping in our food killing the earth, gmo etc. is ok ... Or telling us they will use nuke bombs. Spent fuel pools With 40 year sitting ducks.

We are to blame if we do nothing to try and stop them.

See this and weep for the oysters, please watch 8 min. Thx LH

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Jerry Russell

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I have a lot of respect for Helen Caldicott. At the end of the video above, I think she's saying that if the politicians won't eliminate nuclear power and nuclear weapons, we should kidnap them, lock them in the laundry, and feed them cat food. For all the world's problems, she keeps a sense of humor!

Maybe star fish in Fiji would be different species, accustomed to warm water, while we have cold water varieties here? I'm no star fish expert, I'm just speculating.

UCSC claims that there have been past outbreaks of star fish wasting disease, "in the '70's, 80's and 90's". But they're also admitting that what's going on now is worse than ever before, and they're not sure why. They say there's no evidence linking the outbreak to Fukushima, but I suppose that's not the same thing as proof that they aren't connected.

http://www.eeb.ucsc.edu/pacificrockyintertidal/data-products/sea-star-wasting/
 
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