Richard Stanley

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Will America (NATO) start a war ? Europe won't. Then the U.S. by herself ? But it's already dominateing the world. What would she gain ?

We are talking about a possible WW3 here !
The USA is indeed dominating the world currently, but this domination is not complete, or even its current status ensured to maintain or increase given various factors. As I have suggested, and for example by having you read such as Saussy's Rulers of Evil, the USA is but a stepping stone phase of a vast historical project to achieve a truly complete World Order. As such, it may be just as expendable as apparently the Germans, under Hitler, were. Or as expendable as were Egypt, Assyria, Imperial Rome, and Napoleonic France before.

The Christian Book of Revelation specifies just such a global battle and the final resolution of which is a globe of ethnic nations all answering to one 'ostensibly divine' authority. In Orwell's 1984 he called out a global order of three empires which constantly altered their alliance to each other, enabling continuous profitable conflict and resulting need for totalitarian control over the respective peoples. Whatever the outcome, history does indicate a somewhat non-linear progression of globalization, somewhat similar to Alexander's Hellenization project. The constant thread is the dialectic cultural tension between the 'nationalists' and the 'cosmopolitans', and of which various tiers of elites usually manage to profit from all along the divide and conquer process.

Of course, my views are massively contrarian to the mainstream, the latter which generally wants to believe that history is spontaneous and generally unorganized except by variously disconnected egos and perhaps some memes. I, and others, say otherwise, that there are indeed contiguous organizational threads that are driving matters even today. And unless this view is wrong, then the likelihood that Trump (and Putin, etc.) is a spontaneous phenomenon is rather low in my opinion. And here, Trump's 'bonfire of the vanities' is a great cover story.

As such, what is one more world war to these people to achieve their long term goal?
 
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....various tiers of elites usually manage to profit from all along the divide and conquer process.
As such, what is one more world war to these people to achieve their long term goal?
I absolutely agree with you, Richard.
There will be a great war, just not in next 5 years. China is not ready to take over the U.S., and won't be until it reaches a critical mass of her naval forces. This may happen in the next 15 years ? But not in 5.
Something else may happen along the way !?
In 2023 perhaps ?
Gilius is working on this topic. I'm awaiting eagerly the result of his research.
 

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The referenced emptywheel link below is a short post and extensive comments regarding the recent NYT 'bombshell' I posted on just prior, and then pondering more on the NYT's apparent shading of the Russiagate coverage. The commentators begin to touch on the problem with such as the NYT and the WaPo, but not precisely. The two media outlets are the traditional, for decades, organs of what the actual Deep State (not the QAnon version) wants the public to think. Here, as is generally correctly discussed in the comments, the MSM/NYT shading has actually worked cleverly to Trump's advantage, just as did Comey's timing of his re-opening of the Hillary email investigation. My big complaint with the thread is that Hillary was no actual victim, but rather a witting part of the psyop.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/01/12/a-less-obvious-question-about-nyts-reporting-on-trump-russia/

The people at emptywheel can almost see the bigger reality except for their respective conventional blinders. There is some interesting commentary about the degradation of the term "liberal', and while correct in its own right, so-called Liberal Democracy has always had a revanchist hidden hand with its thumb on the scale.

The commentary correctly notes that the US intel services must have known decades ago about Trump's various ties, and even the business with Nixon. Henry Kissinger is briefly mentioned, of which I have posted about that connection on this thread.
 
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There will be a great war, just not in next 5 years. China is not ready to take over the U.S., and won't be until it reaches a critical mass of her naval forces. This may happen in the next 15 years ? But not in 5.
Something else may happen along the way !?
In 2023 perhaps ?
Possibly so, who knows the actual time, as Jesus says?

I have been guessing that the larger process will conclude effectively in 2070, 2000 years exactly after the destruction of the Temple, and 1,000 years exactly after the effective conclusion of the Norman Conquest (started in 1066). Trump and Kushner having been playing the Middle East game, but have yet pushed matters forward enough to allow the Israeli radicals to have access to build the (second) Third Temple. This Third Temple must be built before the Christian zombies can destroy it, in fulfilling the millennial script. And beside, the scripted Savior was only born to the Virgin on September 23, 2017 (Revelation 12), so he needs a little time to mature (and after spending his first 3.5 years in the Wilderness).

Meanwhile, Trump has been killing the Innocents, even putting them in cages at the border, in the southern Wilderness.
 

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The following is an excerpt from a Nicholas Kristof op-ed from one year ago. The rest of the piece is interesting to read as to just how far we've proceeded since Kristof wrote it. And with that the Dems now control the House, Bone Spurs is showing no desire to compromise, but keeps doubling down, now even less restrained by supposed adults in the White House day care center ... because many of these are now gone. Big Baby Bone Spurs has even crowed several times that he is now 'Home Alone'.

Two political scientists specializing in how democracies decay and die have compiled four warning signs to determine if a political leader is a dangerous authoritarian:

1. The leader shows only a weak commitment to democratic rules. 2. He or she denies the legitimacy of opponents. 3. He or she tolerates violence. 4. He or she shows some willingness to curb civil liberties or the media.

“A politician who meets even one of these criteria is cause for concern,” Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, both professors at Harvard, write in their important new book, “How Democracies Die,” which will be released next week.

“With the exception of Richard Nixon, no major-party presidential candidate met even one of these four criteria over the last century,” they say, which sounds reassuring. Unfortunately, they have one update: “Donald Trump met them all.” ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/trumps-how-democracies-die.html

And then there is the recent interview with the book authors on MSNBC:
 

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The Atlantic has provided stories about 50 of the insane moments of the Trump presidency. This is the master link: https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/

50. Donald Trump touches the magic orb, By James Parker
49. A Cabinet officer likes private planes too much, By Elaina Plott
48. The president praises the congressman who body-slammed a reporter, By David French
47. An overcompensating press secretary lies about crowd size, By Megan Garber
46. Trump tells the Boy Scouts about a hot New York party, By Yoni Appelbaum
45. A name-calling feud ends with the secretary of state’s ouster by tweet, By Yara Bayoumy
44. The WikiLeaks president goes silent, By George Packer
43. The nation loses its consoler in chief, By James Fallows
42. The first president to complain about an election he won, By David Graham
41. Trump waits 19 months to pick his science adviser, By Ed Yong
40. The president’s most trusted adviser is his own gut, By Sarah Zhang
39. A White House economist creates facts for the president, By Tom Nichols
38. Trump holds a top secret confab on the Mar-a-Lago dining terrace, By Ian Bogost
37. The president just wants to go home, By Vauhini Vara
36. Trump threatens to strip security clearances from his critics, By David Frum
35. Mueller’s “witch hunt” is good at finding witches, By Ciara Torres-Spelliscy
34. Trump leads the country to the longest government shutdown in American history, By Saahil Desai
33. The chief justice of the United States corrects the president, By Scott Stossel
32. Trump disseminates Soviet propaganda, By Kori Schake
31. The White House punishes a CNN reporter for asking questions, By Emily Bell
30. The buck stops over there, By Kathy Gilsinan
29. The president tries to kick transgender service members out of the military, By Matt Thompson
28. Trump tweets the wisdom of Mussolini, By Krishnadev Calamur
27. Turkish agents assault protesters near the White House, By Don Peck
26. Trump helps the Saudis cover up a murder, By Lyse Doucet
25. “We’re gonna have the cleanest air”, By Robinson Meyer
24. The president can’t stop talking about carnage, By Rebecca J. Rosen
23. America gets a first daughter, By Caitlin Flanagan
22. The UN General Assembly laughs at the president, By Rachel Donadio
21. Rain stops Trump from honoring the dead, By Eliot A. Cohen
20. The president learns about separation of powers, By Russell Berman
19. The president learns about the Justice Department, By Natasha Bertrand
18. The president lies constantly, By Angie Drobnic Holan
17. Trump threatens to press his “nuclear button”, By Uri Friedman
16. Public humiliation comes for everyone in the White House, By Alex Wagner
15. The CIA dead become a TV prop, By Vernon Loeb
14. You know you’re in a constitutional crisis when..., By Quinta Jurecic
13. Trump mocks Christine Blasey Ford to a cheering crowd, By McKay Coppins
12. A new term enters the presidential lexicon: “shithole countries”, By Ibram X. Kendi
11. Trump throws paper towels at Puerto Ricans, By Vann R. Newkirk II
10. “I have the absolute right to pardon myself”, By Garrett Epps
9. Covfefe, By Adrienne LaFrance
8. The president calls his porn-star ex-paramour “horseface”, By Sophie Gilbert
7. Trump picks the wrong countries for his travel ban, By Hannah Giorgis
6. Trump declares war on black athletes, By Jemele Hill
5. James Comey is fired, By Benjamin Wittes
4. Putin and Trump talk without chaperones, By Franklin Foer
3. The president still hasn’t released his tax returns, By Annie Lowrey
2. “Very fine people on both sides”, By Adam Serwer
1. Children are taken from their parents and incarcerated, By Ashley Fetters

 

Richard Stanley

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Agent Orange, or perhaps more apropos - Asset Orange, has forced this partial government shutdown over funding of a highly breachable wall, where he failed to get his Trumpublicans to go along in his first two years of office. He failed mostly because he didn't try hard, knowing that most Trumpublicans didn't want the damn wall in the first place. The only logical conclusion is that it is the partisan fight that is what is really desired, the cover provided by media pressure from by agit-prop artists Ann Coultergeist, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

Now, being further backed into a corner by the Fox Swamp, Rudy admits that the Trump campaign did indeed commit campaign collusion with the Russians, while Cohen claims today that he hired an IT firm to rig polls in Asset Orange's favor.

The following short clip is a compilation of prior claims that there was no campaign collusion, contrasted to Rudy's latest back-pedaling:


With news also having broken that Asset Orange has destroyed the translators' records of his personal conversations with his seeming handler, Vladimir Putin, more and more are coming to the position of at least voicing the concern that the President of the USA may indeed be compromised.

All this, while his base remains mostly unwavering in their adoration of the salvic uberman whom they see as one of themselves. I have just witnessed this in receiving my monthly fix of Trumpism yesterday.
 

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The following excerpt is a Politico article discussing the impact upon the public in not comprehending the true personal narrative about Trump. This in light of the fact that he lost the popular vote by about 3 million, and won the election with about 70,000 votes in just 3 critical states. Trump's base thinks that he is one of them, having pulled himself up by his own bootstraps, but nothing could be further from the truth as I've long discussed on this thread. Trump's father had made Donald a millionaire by the age of 8, but Donald has always squandered the various $400 million plus that he has received from his father, forcing him to launder money for the Russian mafia and Putin. The latter because American banks will no longer do business with him, having lost so much money with him.

From: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/17/many-voters-think-trumps-a-self-made-man-what-happens-when-you-tell-them-otherwise-224019

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Large swaths of the public believe the Trump myth. Across three surveys of eligible voters from 2016 to 2018, we found that as many as half of all Americans do not know that he was born into a very wealthy family. And while Americans are divided along party lines in their assessment of Trump’s performance as president, misperceptions regarding his financial background are found among Democrats and Republicans.

The narrative of Trump as self-made is simply false. Throughout his life, the president has downplayed the role his father, real estate developer Fred Trump, played in his success, claiming it was “limited to a small loan of $1 million.” That isn’t true, of course: A comprehensive New York Times investigation last year estimated that over the course of his lifetime, the younger Trump received more than $413 million in today’s dollars from his father. While this exact figure was not known before the Times’ report, it was a matter of record that by the mid-1980s, Trump had been loaned at least $14 million by his father, was loaned at least $3.5 million more in 1990, had borrowed several more million against his inheritance in the 1990s after many of his ventures failed, and had benefited enormously from his father’s political connections and co-signing on loans early in his career as a builder.

Of course, someone born into wealth may have great business acumen, and the question of whether Trump is “a great businessman” is a subjective evaluation. The focus of our work, however, is on whether indisputable facts regarding candidate biographies—which are often invisible to voters over the course of a campaign—affect public opinion.

It turns out that they do. Using a 2017 University of Maryland Critical Issues Poll, we found that believing Trump was not born “very wealthy” leads to at least a 5-percentage-point boost in the president’s job approval, even after considering the many factors that can influence public approval ratings. This shift is rooted in the belief that his humble roots make Trump both more empathetic (he “feels my pain”), and more skilled at business (he is self-made and couldn’t have climbed to such heights without real business know-how).

What happens when Americans learn of the president’s privileged background? In a 2018 survey, we provided half the respondents the following question, which was intended to impart Trump’s biographical information: To what extent were you aware that Donald Trump grew up the son of wealthy real estate businessman Fred Trump, started his business with loans from his father, and received loans worth millions of dollars from his father in order to keep his businesses afloat?

As the figures below show, attitudes toward Trump may be polarized along party lines, but this information does have noticeable and statistically significant effects on evaluations of Trump’s character. For Democrats, who already see Trump as lacking empathy, this information makes them think of him as even less empathetic. But among Republicans, the information is even more damning, reducing perceptions of empathy by more than 10 percentage points. ...

The article goes on to discuss how NBC (via The Apprentice) and campaign media coverage allowed Trump's true background to be so distorted from reality.

And as we've been learning on my other threads, the rise from humble origins, or the impression of this, is one of the key ingredients to baking a messiah (they are all false). This was the case with Adolf Hitler, whose humble origins were 'perhaps' the closest to being real. With Jesus we are told that he was the son of a human carpenter, or tekton (aka mason) while at the same time that he descended from the royal line of David. But it was only his Second Coming that was real, as the soon to be emperor (and god) Titus Flavius. But as with 'most' Christians, most Trumpistas won't allow themselves to catch on.
 
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Agent Orange, or perhaps more apropos - Asset Orange
I know that when you're challenged on this, you'll backpedal. But, someone reading this might be confused that you are saying Trump actually *is* Putin's agent or asset, as opposed to the mere existence of a media circus indicating that he might be. Or, someone might be confused to think you are saying that Putin is more powerful than Trump, or that he is calling the shots.

It seems that what you're actually trying to say is that Trump and Putin are both actors in service of some higher power. Well, maybe so and maybe not. But if that's what you're trying to say, why use this confusing language that seems to be attacking Trump for being something that he's not, using the exact same language that any Democratic Party operative or CNN acolyte would use?

In fact, as I have shown may times before, Trump's behavior as President is not at all consistent with the idea that he is a Russian agent. Here is a recent list, from Moon of Alabama, of Trump's favors to Russia (Not.)

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/01/putin-asks-and-trump-delivers-here-is-a-list-of-all-the-good-things-trump-did-for-russia.html#more

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019
As far as Trump and Russian collusion goes, the actual evidence indicates that Trump's involvement is more along the lines of laundering money for Russian gangsters and oligarchs. But these gangsters may not be aligned with Putin; on the contrary, they may need to launder money because they are fleeing Putin.

Rudy admits that the Trump campaign did indeed commit campaign collusion with the Russians
Indeed, a significant shift of Giuliani's position. Following the links in the story, it seems that what has happened is that Paul Manafort has been caught with his hand still in the Russian cookie jar at the same time as he was working for the presidential campaign. So, the "no collusion" story is out the window. But it's still a long ways from proving that this collusion was enough to make Trump into a Russian asset.
 
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I know that when you're challenged on this, you'll backpedal. But, someone reading this might be confused that you are saying Trump actually *is* Putin's agent or asset, as opposed to the mere existence of a media circus indicating that he might be. Or, someone might be confused to think you are saying that Putin is more powerful than Trump, or that he is calling the shots
That's why I said "seeming handler". I guess I must create some boilerplate caveats to attach to all my Trump posts.

Yes, I consider both Trump and Putin, like Hitler and Stalin (and Churchill and FDR) before them, to be agents and/or assets of the real Deep State. Trump, at least, could well be merely a very "useful idiot". The elections are rigged, and much more than that.

But these gangsters may not be aligned with Putin; on the contrary, they may need to launder money because they are fleeing Putin.
Most of these have flown to and fro to the West many times. They could have holed up in secure housing, but have always flown back to Put Put.

The long list of supposed counter-aspects is relatively meaningless to me, some merely a consequence of needing to provide protective counterarguments to the bizarrely overt demonstrations of Trump's seeming obeisance. It all begs the question of just whom is being scammed. Otherwise, we are allowed to attribute the bizarreness to that Trump is so manically oblivious to his own behaviors that we can even feel sorry for Putin's erstwhile good luck if he does have kompromat on Trump.
 

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The following is an 18 minute portion of Jimmy Kimmel's "Intermission Accomplished" tribute to Donald Jesus Trump, aka the Tan Man. After Jimmy recites the praises of Our Leader, at about 5:45 we are blessed with the combined praises of President Bonespurs by Bonespurs himself:


Don't miss the singing of Mr. Tan Man and The Power of Trump near the end (~14 min). Unfortunately the whole show is not posted, but there are some more segments posted separately:



 
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A Washington-backed coup d'etat is in progress this morning in Venezuela. Perhaps this will help shed light on the topic of whether Trump is really a Putin stooge when the chips are down.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50958.htm

Washington Orchestrates Coup in Venezuela, Incites Civil War, in Name of ‘Democracy’
By Finian Cunningham

January 24, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - The dramatic events in Venezuela have “US-orchestrated coup d’état” written all over them. Washington is also giving itself license for military intervention which could spark a proxy war involving Russia.

The sequencing leaves no doubt the US has upped the ante for regime change in the South American country.
This week, Vice President Mike Pence issued a call to arms with a deft video address to the “people of Venezuela” to take to the streets against the elected government. Pence also urged the country’s security forces to back the protests, adding, “we [the US] are with you.”

Next day, the opposition figure Juan Guaido holds a major rally in the capital Caracas and declares himself “interim president of Venezuela” while denouncing incumbent Nicolas Maduro as “a usurper.”

Within minutes, US President Trump announces he is recognizing Guaido as the legitimate authority in Venezuela. Trump’s imprimatur is swiftly followed by Canada and several right-wing South American governments allied with Washington. French President Emmanuel Macron says he supports “the restoration of democracy” in Venezuela and salutes “the courage of the hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans marching for their freedom”.

Cunningham goes on to explain that although Washington has been unhappy with the situation in Venezuela for decades, the newfound urgency is most likely a result of a strengthened military alliance between Venezuela and Russia:

An American-induced war in Venezuela has been a long time in the making. Ever since the South American oil giant opted for a socialist government more than 20 years ago – first under Hugo Chavez then under his successor Nicolas Maduro – Venezuela has been in Washington’s cross-hairs for regime.

The GW Bush administration triggered a coup in 2002 against Chavez, which failed. Then Obama tightened the screws with economic sanctions on Venezuela’s vital oil industry which precipitated the country’s current social crisis and discontent. Several waves of streets protests have occurred all with the signs that Washington has been a crucial instigating player.

At the end of last year, the Trump administration slated the Maduro government as a national security threat, and hinted it was considering military action against Venezuela. There were even White House claims that Caracas was agitating the regime caravans through Central America, which have become a bane of Trump’s fears about immigrants “invading” the US.

But what triggered the latest push from Washington may have been Russia’s more open alliance with Caracas. Last month, President Maduro was hosted in Moscow by Russia’s Vladimir Putin, when the two countries signed multi-billion-dollar partnerships for oil exploration, mining, agricultural and other trade ties.

Within days of Maduro’s visit to the Kremlin, the “strategic alliance” was given a decisive military underpinning when two Russian Tupolev Tu-160 nuclear-capable bombers flew 10,000 kilometers to Venezuela in an apparent show of Moscow’s support for the beleaguered country.

Washington’s reaction to the Russian bombers landing in Caracas was apoplectic.

Maduro was elected for the second time back in May 2018 with nearly 67 per cent of the vote. Admittedly, the turnout for the election was low at around 46 per cent. The large abstention was partly due to the ongoing economic crisis and unrest in the country, which Washington’s sanctions have played a large part in fomenting.

Nevertheless, more than 9 million Venezuelans voted for Maduro and his socialist policies. The elections were documented as free and fair by international observers. They were also verified by Venezuela’s National Electoral Commission.

The US-supported coup is being supported by US puppets including Canada, France, Britain, and various right-wing South American states. Maduro and the existing Venezuelan government are finding support from Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Cuba. From US News & World Report:

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-01-24/venezuela-crisis-familiar-geopolitical-sides-take-shape

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev even injected some domestic U.S. politics into the equation, citing the partial government shutdown and the differences between Trump and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

"Let's imagine, just for an instant, how the American people would respond, for example, to the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives declaring herself the new president against the backdrop of the budget crisis and government shutdown," Medvedev said on Facebook. "What would be the reaction from the current U.S. president, especially if this move was supported by the leadership of another country, for example, Russia?"

Hopefully from a perspective of democratic and anti-fascist and anti-feudalist reasoning, the justice of Medvedev's argument should be obvious.

Getting back to Finnian Cunningham's article, he concludes as follows:

The absurd irony of Trump and Macron, among others, backing an unconstitutional, self-declared president in Venezuela is staggering. Half the population of the US and France despise their supposed leaders. Trump is barred by opposition lawmakers from making the annual State of the Union speech for the first time in US history, while Macron is beset by nationwide protests and requires heavy police protection wherever he goes.

And yet here we have Trump, Trudeau and other discredited Western figures, declaring who should rule Venezuela.

But from the perspective of US mainstream media and its many fans and followers on Facebook and Twitter: now anyone in the US who argues against this coup, will be tarred and feathered not only as an advocate for Democratic Socialism (i.e. anything to the left of Corporate Dictatorship) but also as a "Voice for Putin".

As a comment at Caitlin Johnstone's blog pointed out: if I say that 2*3=6, and Putin says the same thing, does that make me Putin's stooge? Yet half the arguments claiming that Trump is Putin's stooge, have no more logic behind them.

And it might be argued that Maduro is in some way captive or beholden to the Jesuit-Illuminati-Globalist conspiracy and/or billionaire corporate interests, just as much as Putin and Trump are. And this might be true to some extent -- Maduro might not be as ideologically pure or as independent as we would ideally like. Yet it could hardly be more ridiculous to claim that this is merely a meaningless tempest in a teapot, on that grounds. This is a seriously reactionary development, it's bad news for the common people of Venezuela and it's great news for the Anglo-American Imperialist Billionaires.

And it should be clear, when something really important is afoot, where Trump's loyalties are (or at least, where they appear to be, based on public words & actions.) And, that Putin emerges as an advocate for social justice and democracy; whether or not he taking this position based on pure motivations.
 
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And it should be clear, when something really important is afoot, where Trump's loyalties are (or at least, where they appear to be, based on public words & actions.) And, that Putin emerges as an advocate for social justice and democracy; whether or not he taking this position based on pure motivations.
The combined activities of the two seem so chaotic and incoherent that it makes it plausible to consider that various officials that are supposed to be responsible are thus paralyzed, akin to 'paralysis by analysis'. Too many fireworks exploding in the fireworks factory, and everyone's covering their asses.

Meanwhile the timing is perfect for a Reichstag Fire type scenario, with no-one protecting the border, or coasts, or airports, or ...

This story below indicates that an NYT article let the cat out of the bag regarding two USA intel fronts spoofing as false-flag Russian bots. So, is the cat out of the bag on accident, or on purpose?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50963.htm
 

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Obviously no one will be able to climb over Trump's Wall like below:
Exactly! The wall only slows the process down, making the immigrants easier targets if border patrol is willing to shoot them. But if the border defenders have guns and are ready to use them, the wall is almost completely superfluous anyhow.
 

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Good thing those guys haven't figured out the concept of 'rope ladders'.

It seems that with Republican senators peeling off from Trump, that the latter has granted a 3 week shutdown reprieve, before invoking his emergency powers. Now he can make his State of the Union speech, and it will likely be a doozy for all time, especially with Roger Stone now indicted.
 

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This story below indicates that an NYT article let the cat out of the bag regarding two USA intel fronts spoofing as false-flag Russian bots. So, is the cat out of the bag on accident, or on purpose?
This follows a long-standing pattern. Falsehoods about Russia are loudly trumpeted on the front page of the NYT and other mass media. A few days, weeks or months later, the falsehoods are corrected in some article buried deep in the back pages. Maybe a few bloggers or YouTube personalities like Lee Camp notice, but hardly anyone else does. Lee Camp works for RT, btw.

The phenomenon is discussed more extensively in this article by CJ Hopkins:

http://www.unz.com/chopkins/the-fetishization-of-the-corporate-media/

The Fetishization of the Corporate Media

So the corporate media have gone and done it again. As they have, repeatedly, for the last two and half years, they shook the earth with a “bombshell” story proving beyond any reasonable doubt that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the presidency from Hillary Clinton, or at least committed an impeachable felony in connection with something to do with the Russians, or Ukrainians, or other Slavic persons … which story turned out to be inaccurate, or not entirely accurate, or a bunch of horseshit. ...

Glenn Greenwald, in August 2018, reporting on another “bombshell” story that turned out to be a bunch of horseshit, compiled a partial list of Russiagate stories that the corporate media had published and promoted over the course of the previous eighteen months which turned out to be a bunch of horseshit (i.e., the stories did, not Greenwald’s list). In the wake of this latest horseshit story, Greenwald revised and renamed this list “The 10 Worst, Most Embarrassing U.S. Media Failures on the Trump/Russia Story.

But Greenwald’s list is just a small sample of the Russiagate stories that have turned out to be horseshit. For the record, here are several more:

My personal favorite remains the one about how Hillary Clinton may have been poisoned by Putinist operatives back in 2016. And then there’s the pot-smoking, prostitute-banging, incompetent Novichok perfume assassins, the African American-brainwashing memes, the Putin-orchestrated Yellow Vest rebellion, the brain-eating Russian-Cubano crickets, and various other bunches of horseshit.

I am using the terms “horseshit” and “a bunch of horseshit” (as opposed to terms like “failures” and “errors”), not just to be gratuitously vulgar, but, also, to try to make a point. One is not supposed to use these terms in connection with “serious,” “respected” news outlets. Which is why journalists like Greenwald and Aaron Maté (who have extensively reported on the corporate media’s ongoing production and dissemination of horseshit) do not use such terms in the course of their reporting, and instead use less inflammatory terms like “false,” “inaccurate,” “mistake,” and “error.”
 

Richard Stanley

Well-Known Member
Sorry to have been disappointing our Trumpillions of readers, but literally too much has been going on.

Regardless of whether one agrees with American foreign policies and actions over the last decades since assuming the post-WWII mantle of power, we now have a president that stated, yesterday, that we all did not hear what all of the American national security agency chiefs had to publicly testify to Congress about the day before. The topic was about the current security threats being presented to the country. Interestingly, the southern border problem and the lack of another wall was not one of the items mentioned. Trump stated in an interview with the NYT that the national security chiefs had been misquoted (by all of our ears).


That we are being told we did not hear what came out of their mouths is now part of the MSM narrative, not via mere 'conspiracy theorists' that such is more representative of a totalitarian state. It's downright Orwellian, in fact. "You did not hear what you heard".

Now we have the president's girlfriend, Lindsey (unmoored from John McCain), encouraging Trump to invoke emergency powers:

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Trump and friends are insisting on the wall, stating negotiations in Congress are useless, while Nancy and friends are still saying "No Money for a (unsmart - dumb) Wall". Short of invoking emergency powers, it is a literal Mexican Standoff.

Curiously, we also get a large seizure of fentanyl, coming across a legal port of entry, Otay Mesa. The smuggler was part of the DHS trusted traveler program (FAST) and thus can be used to help support Trump's wider narrative(s), while he ignores the Canadian border, coastal, and airport security. And that most of the latter was hampered during the shutdown during the alleged emergency. And that the shutdown cost the economy more than the funds to build the disputed partial wall.

The public, even though mostly disdaining Trump increasingly, is being numbed and normalized to the daily lies and lunacy, while we are being signaled that Trump will initiate authoritarian powers, over a contrived emergency. The lunacy over who was going to pay for the wall now appears to have been part of the smokescreen.

As I have discussed in several prior posts on this thread, Trump's behavior is calibrate and intentional, not idiosyncratic buffoonery and narcissism (albeit there may be some of the latter involved). Further discussion, below, of the same is the 2015 analysis by Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert cartoon, who happens to be a happy Trumpista. I don't know if he still is happy, but the following is the opening to his blog post:

Like many of you, I have been entertained by the unstoppable clown car that is Donald Trump. On the surface, and several layers deep as well, Trump appears to be a narcissistic blow-hard with inadequate credentials to lead a country.

The only problem with my analysis is that there is an eerie consistency to his success so far. Is there a method to it? Is there some sort of system at work under the hood?

Probably yes. Allow me to describe some of the hypnosis and persuasion methods Mr. Trump has employed on you. (Most of you know I am a trained hypnotist and this topic is a hobby of mine.)

For starters, Trump literally wrote the book on negotiating, called The Art of the Deal. So we know he is familiar with the finer points of persuasion. For our purposes today, persuasion, hypnosis, and negotiating all share a common set of tools, so I will conflate them.

Would Trump use his negotiation and persuasion skills in the campaign? Of course he would. And we expect him to do just that.

But where is the smoking gun of his persuasion? Where is his technique laid out for us to see.

Everywhere.

As I said in my How to Fail book, if you are not familiar with the dozens of methods of persuasion that are science-tested, there’s a good chance someone is using those techniques against you. ...

https://blog.dilbert.com/2015/08/13/clown-genius/

Of course, with Trump's Art of the Deal, we are also introduced, by Trump, to the MSM narrative of Trump's monetary (and possibly octopussy-grabbing [sic]) obsession with Russia, then the communist USSR, where his current good buddy, Putin, just happened to be engaged by the KGB in recruiting Western businessmen. Fortunately, for all of us, including the NRA, Putin is no longer a communist, ... but what appears to be the leader of a fascist regime of networked criminal plutocrats, and the apocalyptic messiah of the Russian Orthodox Church (and maybe even some American Christian evangelicals).

In terms of whether the Trump phenomenon is ex-narcisso versus ex-machina might we ask a Bayesian question regarding Trump's massive links to the Jesu machine? A non-exhaustive list being:

Fordham University, Georgetown University, Henry Kissinger (and Dick Nixon), Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, Kellyanne Conway, the Tin Man .. Paul Ryan, Devin Nunes, the Podesta brothers and Nancy (they are part of the foil narrative), the Catholic Supremes, ....​

As more crazy-pants revelations about Trump's unchaperoned meetings with Putin have come out, we now get the INF nuclear arms treaty with Russia 'suspended' and likely cancelled. Trump's double-agent trade-craft is so ham handed, so in-plain-site, that we are left to wonder if all of those responsible in Washington are hamstrung from taking action via "paralysis by analysis", or from what? It's an enigma, because he 'must' be a kompromat asset, and yet he takes no pains to hide it all.

It's non-stop Chaos, right out of the Samson script of Judges, an agent of Change.

Some are insisting that the (Catholic) Supremes will surely halt Trump's emergency powers ... based upon Trump-up evidence, but will they?

Maybe none of this will come to pass. But, then, why ... and how, have we come this far? Are we just in the big casino of life? Well, Trump has bankrupted all of his casinos.
 
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Jerry Russell

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The topic was about the current security threats being presented to the country. Interestingly, the southern border problem and the lack of another wall was not one of the items mentioned.
It's possible that Coats and Haspell didn't mention the wall because their congressional interrogators didn't ask about it. Then CNN inferred that therefore, the intelligence chiefs disagree with the President about the wall. That inference by CNN could in fact be "taken out of context", and not what Coats and Haspell meant to say, and they might have mollified Trump accordingly.

Trump told the CNN reporter to call Coats & Haspell for more information. But did she do that? No, instead the CNN team took a few (out of context) snips from the testimony, and concluded on that basis that Trump must be lying. Now, I don't question for a moment that there are examples of Trump intentionally making false statements (aka lying), but this might not be a very good example. This might be just an example of some general confusion, aided perhaps by some obfuscation.

And that's another part of the tableau we're facing. I wouldn't trust anything Trump says; but then again, CNN also dishes out their share of horseshit, as Trump's base is well aware.

Putin... appears to be the leader of a fascist regime of networked criminal plutocrats
One might think you are trying to say here, that Russia is more of a fascist regime than, say, the USA, or France, or Germany. Or that Russian businessmen are more criminal than American businessmen. But surely that's not what you mean? On the contrary, it is the US and its allies that are on a rampage of world conquest and domination, the characteristic behavior of a fascist regime.

In terms of whether the Trump phenomenon is ex-narcisso versus ex-machina might we ask a Bayesian question
You need to have mutually exclusive propositions to apply a Bayesian test. Why can't the Trump phenomenon be both ex-narcisso and ex-machina ?

while we are being signaled that Trump will initiate authoritarian powers, over a contrived emergency.
Yes, this is psychological priming at its best. And it wouldn't surprise me if it's some Democratic Party hack who finally declares the state of emergency, long after Trump's gone from office.

As more crazy-pants revelations about Trump's unchaperoned meetings with Putin have come out, we now get the INF nuclear arms treaty with Russia 'suspended' and likely cancelled. Trump's double-agent trade-craft is so ham handed, so in-plain-site
What are you saying here? What's wrong with Trump having a private conversation with Putin? Is Trump the first US president that's ever had a private meeting with a foreign leader? And how does it benefit Putin, to have the US quit the INF treaty?
 
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