Jerry Russell

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Speaking of "frenemies", consider this piece by Glen Greenwald...

The Same Democrats Who Denounce Trump as a Lawless, Treasonous Authoritarian Just Voted To Give Him Vast Warrantless Spying Powers

Trump’s bill to ensure his FBI’s ongoing power to spy on the communications of Americans without warrants was saved by Pelosi, Schiff, and Swalwell abandoning the large majority of their own Democratic caucus, and instead joining with Ryan and the GOP majority to ensure defeat of all meaningful reforms. Here are the 55 Democrats who not only voted in favor of the Trump-endorsed spying bill, but who also voted against the reform amendment to require a warrant. Beyond Pelosi, Schiff, and Swalwell, it includes the second most-senior Democrat Steny Hoyer and former Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz.



...the most important point here is what this says about how Democrats really view Donald Trump. How can anyone rational possibly take seriously all the righteous denunciations from people like Pelosi, Schiff, and Swalwell about how Trump is a lawless, authoritarian tyrant existentially threatening American democracy when those very same people just yesterday voted in favor of vesting him the virtually limitless power to spy on Americans with no warrants or safeguards? If someone really believed those accusations about Trump — as opposed to just pretending to believe them for cynical political manipulation of their followers — how could they possibly have done what they did yesterday?

Cliches are boring to hear, yet often contain truth. That actions speak louder than words is one of those. The next time you see Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, or Eric Swalwell waxing indignantly on cable TV about how Trump is a grave menace to the rule of law and American democracy, focus less on their scripted talking points and more on their actions, beginning with their vote yesterday to vest in him these awesome powers while blocking safeguards and checks. That will tell you all you need to know about who they really are and what they really believe.
 

Richard Stanley

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Yes, and Castro (TX) is another one on that list who is a prominent Dem voice on the talking head circuit. He's (and his brother) got a lot of otherwise contrary political skin in the game given his Latino aspect and Texas border issues. Castro brothers? Deja vu?
 

Richard Stanley

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For Facts Sake: What Trump has done for farmers | MSNBC

The above brief link discusses the negative policy reality for American farmers rather than the Trumpian populist rhetoric. This has been good for American and international agribusiness corporations at the expense of individual farmers contracted to those corporations, only a handful of farmers were liable for the now terminated estate tax, and American cattle farmers have lost out to Australia because of the TPP cancellation.
 

lorenhough

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Trump has a strange connection to Nikola Tesla's deadly - Business Insider
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3 Feb 2017 · Coincidentally after Tesla died, none other than electrical engineer and military technology researcher John G. Trump — President Trump's "nuclear" uncle, as an April 2016 New Yorker ...


Nikola Tesla's Surprising Connection to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton | Big Think
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About 3 weeks after that, all of Tesla's things and documents were given a thorough examination by a group of FBI agents that included none other than John G. Trump, the uncle of the current Republican ...


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In 1943, as the technical aide in Division 14 of the NDRC, Trump reviewed and analyzed the papers of Dr. Nikola Tesla when Dr. Tesla died in a New York City hotel. The research
 

Richard Stanley

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3 Feb 2017 · Coincidentally after Tesla died, none other than electrical engineer and military technology researcher John G. Trump — President Trump's "nuclear" uncle, as an April 2016 New Yorker ...
Thx Loren

I believe I have posted somewhere about Trump's curious links to the World Trade Center and his uncle. But I was not aware of the claim made in the article about the capability of Tesla's wall of force technology. This capability is more evocative of what seems to have occurred for the twin towers regarding the destruction of the core columns and such. If such an energy weapon technology was employed this could also explain the need to destroy Building 7 which was supposed to have an 'electrical substation' in the lower elevations.

Whether or not this technology is real, the mere nexus of these two Trumps to such is a little freaky, considering all the other links, like the Bottomless Pit.

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Not much is publicly known about Tesla's impenetrable wall research beyond this. The only other details are presumably the ones he shared with New York Times writer William A. Lawrence, which the newspaper published on September 22, 1940:

"[Tesla] stands ready to divulge to the United States government the secret of his 'teleforce,' of which he said, 'airplane motors would be melted at a distance of 250 miles, so that an invisible "Chinese Wall of Defense" would be built around the country against any enemy attack by an enemy air force, no matter how large.'

"This 'teleforce' is based on an entirely new principle of physics, that 'no one has ever dreamed about,' different from the principles embodied in the in his inventions relating to the transmission of electrical power from a distance, for which he has received a number of basic patents."


Coincidentally after Tesla died, none other than electrical engineer and military technology researcher John G. Trump — President Trump's "nuclear" uncle, as an April 2016 New Yorker article by Amy Davidson dubbed him — was the person who examined Tesla's effects and reported his findings to the FBI.

Per Davidson, and according to Margaret Cheney and Robert Uth's book, "Tesla, Master of Lightning", John G. Trump told the Bureau:


"Tesla's 'thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative, philosophical, and somewhat promotional character,' but 'did not include new, sound, workable principles or methods for realizing such results.'" ...
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-death-ray-border-wall-trump-2017-2
 

lorenhough

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Thx Loren

I believe I have posted somewhere about Trump's curious links to the World Trade Center and his uncle. But I was not aware of the claim made in the article about the capability of Tesla's wall of force technology. This capability is more evocative of what seems to have occurred for the twin towers regarding the destruction of the core columns and such. If such an energy weapon technology was employed this could also explain the need to destroy Building 7 which was supposed to have an 'electrical substation' in the lower elevations.

Whether or not this technology is real, the mere nexus of these two Trumps to such is a little freaky, considering all the other links, like the Bottomless Pit.

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Not much is publicly known about Tesla's impenetrable wall research beyond this. The only other details are presumably the ones he shared with New York Times writer William A. Lawrence, which the newspaper published on September 22, 1940:

"[Tesla] stands ready to divulge to the United States government the secret of his 'teleforce,' of which he said, 'airplane motors would be melted at a distance of 250 miles, so that an invisible "Chinese Wall of Defense" would be built around the country against any enemy attack by an enemy air force, no matter how large.'

"This 'teleforce' is based on an entirely new principle of physics, that 'no one has ever dreamed about,' different from the principles embodied in the in his inventions relating to the transmission of electrical power from a distance, for which he has received a number of basic patents."


Coincidentally after Tesla died, none other than electrical engineer and military technology researcher John G. Trump — President Trump's "nuclear" uncle, as an April 2016 New Yorker article by Amy Davidson dubbed him — was the person who examined Tesla's effects and reported his findings to the FBI.

Per Davidson, and according to Margaret Cheney and Robert Uth's book, "Tesla, Master of Lightning", John G. Trump told the Bureau:


"Tesla's 'thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative, philosophical, and somewhat promotional character,' but 'did not include new, sound, workable principles or methods for realizing such results.'" ...
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-death-ray-border-wall-trump-2017-2
Thanks brother
Joe was the 1st to tell me about this
That's why he didn't like trump or Clintons

What's the odds
Coincidentally after Tesla died, none other than electrical engineer and military technology researcher John G. Trump — President Trump's "nuclear" uncle, as an April 2016 New Yorker article by Amy Davidson dubbed him — was the person who examined Tesla's effects and reported his findings to the FBI.

Per Davidson, and according to Margaret Cheney and Robert Uth's book, "Tesla, Master of Lightning", John G. Trump told the Bureau:

Trump family insiders for the ruling class
Tesla is right we need a wall but trump is all talk as he knows what we want to hear but will not do it
Sorry to say
Learn Spanish Chinese here they come
Bye bye white race
It a race to mix
Ok
But. Is it for the good in the long run if we all do it not just some
I don't know

Yes 9-11 we don't know how they fell like nothing we see before
Tesla my have been apart of it yes
 

Richard Stanley

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Several posts on this thread discuss that Agent Orange Leaks has a different alter-ego, under the same name, that is much different than the authoritarian bozo we get to see for the benefit of his adoring base. This, one basis for our counting him as a Lifetime Actor. And so the following is presented as further evidence that he Trump has two countenances.

Of course, one might be inclined to discount such revelations, but Stormy is not being completely complimentary in the 2011 interview.

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Asked if she was attracted to the president, Daniels replied “would you be?” but added that she was “fascinated” by him. She told “In Touch” that she expected that their initial conversation, much of which focused on the non-sexual aspects of her line of work, might lead to sex.

“I was definitely stimulated. We had a really good banter,” she said. “Good conversation for a couple hours. I could tell he was nice, intelligent in conversation.” ...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/stormy-daniels-trump-porn-star-interview-349311
 

CplCam

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Several posts on this thread discuss that Agent Orange Leaks has a different alter-ego, under the same name, that is much different than the authoritarian bozo we get to see for the benefit of his adoring base. This, one basis for our counting him as a Lifetime Actor. And so the following is presented as further evidence that he Trump has two countenances.

Of course, one might be inclined to discount such revelations, but Stormy is not being completely complimentary in the 2011 interview.

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Asked if she was attracted to the president, Daniels replied “would you be?” but added that she was “fascinated” by him. She told “In Touch” that she expected that their initial conversation, much of which focused on the non-sexual aspects of her line of work, might lead to sex.

“I was definitely stimulated. We had a really good banter,” she said. “Good conversation for a couple hours. I could tell he was nice, intelligent in conversation.” ...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/stormy-daniels-trump-porn-star-interview-349311
Yeah, this Stormy Daniels stuff is bonkers. Apparently he wants to kill all sharks. But this? C'mon...

“Dude, what’s up with that?” and he laughed and he said, “You know, everybody wants to give me a makeover and I’ve been offered all this money and all these free treatments.” And I was like, “What is the deal? Don’t you want to upgrade that? Come on, man.” He said that he thought that if he cut his hair or changed it, that he would lose his power and his wealth. And I laughed hysterically at him."

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/stormy-daniels-full-interview-151788
 

Richard Stanley

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He said that he thought that if he cut his hair or changed it, that he would lose his power and his wealth.
Wow, is this a typological reference to Samson or what? This is the most overt one yet.

I have to suspect that this whole thing is staged for public consumption. There are some rather strange aspects like Trump's lawyer, Cohen, putting his own name on the LLC filing, which if he had legally used a pseudonym would have prevented discovery by the journalist.

Another great find CplCam.
 

Richard Stanley

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It may be just for the perverse fun of doing so, but possibly there is a psychological component, as like sending a plausibly deniable message to the more alert that "Yes, we are doing all this with impunity, so don't waste your time making a fuss." In the case of 'Trump as Samson', they are also entraining some of the evangelical and pentecostal crowd who have indeed identified Trump as a Samson that we are indeed following part of a divine process, while you and I know that it is a craven human one. This is a significant number of highly motivated people (looking to garner their eternal fortunes) by going along with the program, even if they are yet a minority. The majority is mostly in a state of shocked confusion, or left to protest about less important matters while Trump et al. pulls the rug out from under.

It could also be that they believe there is some kind of voodoo ritualistic benefit they garner by re-enacting such. But I suspect that most all of what we see is based upon herding psychology, developed over thousands of years of elites herding both animals and humans. And so the Biblical script is a process that can be followed again, because it all worked before.
 

Richard Stanley

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This is my feeling too at this point but they've already got all the power, why bother fucking with us? Is it just fun?
Fun?

BLUE EYE, MO—Squashing accusations that President Trump had a sexual encounter with porn star “Stormy Daniels” while he was married to Melania, televangelist Jim Bakker explained to his audience Friday that he had confirmed that Trump was merely scheduling private time with the woman in a hotel suite in order to share with her the good news of Jesus Christ, as he had become acquainted with her and was very concerned that she was not a Christian.

“It is preposterous to assert that a virtuous believer like Mr. Trump would cheat on his beautiful wife so callously, and while their child was only months old,” a solemn Bakker said into the camera as colorful balloons provided a backdrop for some reason. “He was so concerned with the eternal state of Miss Daniels’ soul that he scheduled some alone time with just the two of them, so he could share with her how Jesus Christ had changed his life and how He could also save her from her sins.”

Nearly choking up with tears, Bakker went on to explain how much he loves and looks up to Trump as a model saint.

“Our president even arranged through his attorney to give this woman $130,000 in an attempt to help rescue her from the destructive adult film industry and get her life back on track. What a man of God!”

The televangelist ended his broadcast by wagering that there were probably “many, many more” sex-industry workers like Daniels who could tell a similarly inspiring story about President Trump.
http://babylonbee.com/news/trump-merely-sharing-gospel-porn-star-explains-jim-bakker/

Last year from the same reputable fakir news source:

LYNCHBURG, VA—In the wake of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s call for the GOP to moderate its position on abortion, Liberty University president and influential Evangelical Jerry Falwell, Jr. affirmed his support for Trump, calling upon Christians to “remember the words of Christ, which I’m paraphrasing: ‘Deny your conscience, take up your guns, and follow Trump.’”

At a Thursday press conference, Falwell downplayed Trump’s abortion shift. “We all know the story of the woman caught in adultery, when Jesus encouraged the Pharisees to moderate their position on stoning, right? As long as Trump doesn’t change his position on firearms, brothers and sisters, he’s got my hearty endorsement.”

He went on to double down on his firm belief in Trump’s Christianity. “Some people make fun of him for saying ‘Two Corinthians,’ but that’s just a nickname. That’s how much Donald Trump loves the Bible—he has nicknames for all the books. I wished I loved the Bible as much as Donald Trump!”

Echoing his earlier sentiments that the fruits of Trump’s faith could be seen in the jobs he has created, Falwell also noted “I’m not saying he’s better than Jesus, but even the Lord himself only created, what, twelve jobs?”
http://babylonbee.com/news/deny-conscience-take-guns-follow-trump-urges-jerry-falwell-jr/
 

Richard Stanley

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Unlike the previous post's 'spoofake news' fun the following is real news:

President Trump started his day Tuesday as he often has — with a tweet against “Fake News CNN.” Only this time it came after news that a man with the same complaint had been arrested for calling CNN’s Atlanta headquarters “to gun you all down.”

News of the arrest broke late Monday but the man, identified as Brandon Griesemer of Novi, Mich., was charged in federal district court on Friday after repeated threatening calls to CNN on Jan. 9-10.

"Fake news. I'm coming to gun you all down," the caller said, according to CNN, quoting from a federal affidavit. In another call, the caller threatened, "I am on my way right now to gun the f****** CNN cast down .... I am coming to kill you.”

Critics of Trump’s frequent attacks against the news media, which he once called “the enemy of the American people,” have long warned that his remarks could incite violence. During his campaign, some television networks hired security for their reporters covering Trump. His tweet on Tuesday singled out CNN’s White House correspondent Jim Acosta, as Trump has before.

Even Crazy Jim Acosta of Fake News CNN agrees: “Trump World and WH sources dancing in end zone: Trump wins again...Schumer and Dems caved...gambled and lost.” Thank you for your honesty Jim! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 23, 2018
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-trump-starts-day-with-anti-cnn-tweet-1516711218-htmlstory.html
 

Richard Stanley

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Even considering all our Postflavian concerns about history, American and beyond, it is hard to believe we have arrived at the point that this freak is our President, actor or not.

Matters indeed appear to be approaching the so-called constitutional crisis many have feared, and I watched several talking head discussions where it was pondered whether Trump might indeed cross the Rubicon so to speak. Maybe tomorrow I'll try to post some.

 

Jerry Russell

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Everybody else in the world probably knows this already, but it's news to me. In 2007, Donald Trump bodyslammed and tackled Vince McMahon, owner of World Wrestling Entertainment, at the stunning completion of the Battle of the Billionaires. This after McMahon had earlier explained that he needed to be represented by a nominee in the match, because he couldn't wrestle due to a split pelvis. Trump's nominee was losing badly to McMahon's nominee, leading to the need for Trump to finish the job personally.

This is entertainment? The crowd seems happy.


What is possibly more interesting from the point of view of this thread, is that Trump was at risk of having his hair cut. Which he seems to fear as a fate worse than death. Starting at 3:09.

 

Richard Stanley

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The following is what I posted about Trump and his association with professional wrestling, and the psychological development of his Samson schtick. What I quoted in that post demonstrates that Trump's base is attracted to him for the same reasons that pro wrestling fans are attracted to such crap. They are basically much the same superficial people.

But in any case I did not watch the videos to catch that the stakes were getting their heads shaved.

http://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/just-saying-whos-trumping-der-fuhrer.1548/page-21#post-8378
 

Richard Stanley

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A new book, God and Trump, by Stephen Strang, discusses the reasons for the strong support for Donald Trump, from inside the Christian Return-to-Serfdom movement.

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In fact, while some conservative Christians speak about Trump’s defeat of Hillary Clinton as the work of God, it seems the real divine intercession was in clearing the GOP field for Trump. The unspoken assumption for each of the religious figures Strang references—from Franklin Graham to Robert Jeffress to Kenneth Copeland—is that God would only want a Republican president and so if Trump captured the GOP nomination, then ipso facto he must be God’s choice. And the more unlikely the selection, the better proof it is of divine intent.

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Once it became clear to the community of conservative charismatics that Trump was God’s candidate, they mobilized to support his campaign. It’s in this area that Strang’s book is most useful, revealing the devotion and certainty of a faith group that went largely unnoticed throughout the presidential race. Cindy Jacobs, cofounder of the Reformation Prayer Network, organized 10,000 charismatics to “prayer walk” seven key states for Trump, asking God to move the hearts of voters in those states and to bless their work.

Another network called As One led 40-day prayer walks—40 days being a significant time period in the Bible—and cast their efforts as part of a spiritual battle against the forces of evil seen on the secular left and the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. Lou Engle, a prominent revivalist based in California, prevailed upon his supporters to engage in what he called an “Esther Fast,” which involved three days with no food or water, in order to beg God for mercy and victory.

At a certain point in “God and Donald Trump,” the recent theological gymnastics on display from Tony Perkins and Jerry Falwell, Jr., among others, to explain ongoing conservative Christian support for a president who (allegedly) paid off a porn star weeks before Election Day so she would keep quiet about their (alleged) affair become clear. There will be no point at which Trump’s most loyal evangelical and charismatic supporters declare they have had enough. Because to do so would be to admit that they were wrong, that God wasn’t behind Trump’s election, and that their Holy Spirit radar might be on the fritz. That it was, after all, about something as temporal and banal as hating his Democratic rival.

Strang was in New York for the Trump campaign’s victory party on November 8, 2016, and as he describes the euphoria of the evening, he shows just enough of his hand to validate this conclusion. “It was as if God had answered our prayers and the impossible had happened,” he writes. “We had a new president, one we believed God had raised up for a time such as this.”

“And perhaps best of all,” he continued, “we each thanked God in our own way that Hillary Clinton was not going to be the next commander in chief.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/27/millions-of-americans-believe-god-made-trump-president-216537

The "clearing of the field" for Trump to win the Republican nomination, had nothing to do with divine intervention, but rather that the Republicans had broken with their tradition of virtually coronating their preferred candidate by allowing only token and nominal primary opposition. Instead, any body was allowed (or encouraged?) to run and thus Trump's antics easily cowed the field, as he did with Vince McMahon.

The evangelicals, themselves, betrayed their 'divine' convictions by interceding in the election process, the sole prerogitive of their jealous god and his son. One way or the other it was all of human intercession, if yet by human sheep, sheep as white as driven snowflakes.

And 'thanks' Hillary, for running such a purposely rigged, otherwise incompetant crap campaign. This was indeed, just like a professional wrestling, with a scripted outcome (see just prior posts). And no, as you know, The Donald doesn't hate you. Y'all just preparing the way for ...

Global Amnesty Don and book at Davos:
 
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