Richard Stanley

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Not sure what the original source of this content below is, and the audio was badly out of sync. In any case, it is a history of Trump's prior generations, of which the papers shown do not show the surname as Drumpf, but rather Trump, when grandfather Friedrich was from Bavaria. BTW, Bavaria is where the little Austrian girly man, Adolph Hitler, got his compromised start.

Donald's Bavarian grandmother was conveniently surnamed 'Christ'.

Elizabeth Christ Trump (born Elisabeth Christ; October 10, 1880 – June 6, 1966) was a German-born American businesswoman and is considered the matriarch of the Trump family. She married Frederick Trump in 1902. While raising their three children, the early death of her husband in 1918 required her to manage his properties in order to support her family. She founded the real estate development company Elizabeth Trump & Son with her son Fred.[1] The company, now known as The Trump Organization, is currently owned by her grandson, Donald Trump, who is the 45th President of the United States. Her great-grandsons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump are running the family business as trustees during their father's presidency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Christ_Trump

This also means that the Trump's are originally Catholic, and so when father Fred became a Presbyterian (and a member of the KKK) it served to shield this papist lineage that Donald quietly picked back up in his college matriculation at Jesuit Fordham and majority Catholic Penn / Wharton (albeit a public institution).

The video shows that Friedrich innovatively started the family 'hospitality' business by selling hamburgers made from winter frozen horses to miners in the Klondike. Father Fred pocketed Federal government monies intended for building housing post WWII. Ironically(?), the Trump's end up in America because grandfather Friedrich was refused reentry back into Bavaria because he had left the country without permission, under the suspicion of evading mandatory military service. Like grandfather, like grandson. In any case, it sounds more like a cover story to me.

 
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The source seems to be this UK "Channel 4" documentary, "Meet the Trumps: from Immigrant to President".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6422192/

Any particular reason why we should trust UK state television, any more (or less) than Al Jazeera or RT? (Another rhetorical question.)

Also available on Netflix streaming.
 

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Why do you keep asking the question?
For one thing, there is a concerted effort by US mainstream media sources, to denounce Russian (and presumably also Islamic) sources as "Fake News". Their content is allegedly far, far worse than the authorized sources. Furthermore, any American alternative sources which repeat such content, either with or without evaluation, are equivalently tarred with the "Fake News" meme.

On the other side of the dialectic, we have Donald Trump saying that the mainstream media is "Fake News". And everybody knows it's true.

UK Channel 4 seems to be suspect on both counts: foreign (un-American, unless Brits are honorary citizens), and also mainstream (state funded and liberal).

Either the data is true or not.
Yes, I'm an Objectivist too in that sense. I like to think that the truth exists as a factual matter.

But how are we supposed to know if the data is true or not? If it comes from an untrusted source, doesn't that reinforce the need to fact check everything? You're alluding to the problem by saying that something about this seems fishy to you, a "cover story".

Miles Mathis has an entirely different take. I don't see him as entirely trustworthy either, but for different reasons.

http://mileswmathis.com/trump.pdf
 

Richard Stanley

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For one thing, there is a concerted effort by US mainstream media sources, to denounce Russian (and presumably also Islamic) sources as "Fake News". Their content is allegedly far, far worse than the authorized sources. Furthermore, any American alternative sources which repeat such content, either with or without evaluation, are equivalently tarred with the "Fake News" meme.
I still confused as to where you are going with all this. Despite that I agree that the Western MSM generally has a corporate and (G)lobalist axe to grind, hence tending to ignore massive Clinton / Obama vices (and that the Vatican has taken over America from the WASPs), I see nothing to rehabilitate either Trump or Putin's reputations, and Trump's in any regard whatsoever. The only 'good' things he has ever done are to garner self-aggrandizement. The only question in my mind is whether Trump 'knows' what role he is acting, or whether his handlers are running the show. Like Dubya, early in his Presidential career, Trump isn't as stupid as he appears now.

The whole point of the 'present' Fake News concept, which Trump typically takes credit for inventing, is to further destabilize the polity, albeit 'news' has always been subject to various propaganda influences.

On the other side of the dialectic, we have Donald Trump saying that the mainstream media is "Fake News". And everybody knows it's true.
But that needs to be qualified. For instance, Trump claims that the MSM ignored the Clinton uranium scandal with Russia, but that just isn't really true. Even some MSNBC talking heads have been forced to admit the Clintons have been douchy, though they can't bring themselves to admit the worst implications. And, having Clinton/Trump scams be presented as merely personal profiteering serves to distract from the larger (G)lobalist implications.

Thus, personal profiteering can be presented as aspects of diabolical (G)lobalism, while thankfully such as the Judeo-Christian agenda is merely benign (g)lobalism, as we have recently seen it explicitly expressed.

UK Channel 4 seems to be suspect on both counts: foreign (un-American, unless Brits are honorary citizens), and also mainstream (state funded and liberal).
Are you saying horseburgers were not made? Or what?

Do you think Fred Trump wasn't a member of the KKK? Has Trump overtly supported white nationalism and such nice guys? Was Bubba Clinton a regular golf buddy of The Donald?

I suspect the Beast will win out over the MSM, at least short term, with the MSM, until it is time for the Beast of the Land to take his place.

Was the cosmos Fake News on 9/23/2017?

But how are we supposed to know if the data is true or not? If it comes from an untrusted source, doesn't that reinforce the need to fact check everything? You're alluding to the problem by saying that something about this seems fishy to you, a "cover story".
I can only present information that is presented to me Jerry, and then ask questions about it. Thus I have raised my whole theory of Trump's apocalyptic nature, as indeed have many Christians looking at similar data. The Jesuits created this Futurism long ago for a purpose, and they have the White House, the Supreme Court, Congress, and the military command loaded with their DNA.

Miles Mathis has an entirely different take. I don't see him as entirely trustworthy either, but for different reasons.
I think I have covered Mathis's take on Trump here before. It is consistent with Flavio Barbiero's 'priestly family' thesis, and the Jewish authored book When Scotland was Jewish as well. Remember, Barbiero has the Hasmonian (Josephan - Mac Daddys) priestly family as playing a Yuuuge role in the early Roman Church, even supplanting the Flavians, which I doubt the latter. And the Scotland book discusses the Kennedy's as being Jewish Melungeons.

As we have tried to present, (Roman and any other variety) Christianity and Judaism are simply too incestuously bound at the hip to separate to continue to sincerely play the usual Catholic shell and blame game. It's Good (g)lobalist Cop versus Bad (G)lobalist Cop.

If Patty Duke is a Jew, then so is Daweed Duke. And I don't care, I love Linda Ronstadt no matter what. "Just one look, that's all it took."
 
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For instance, Trump claims that the MSM ignored the Clinton uranium scandal with Russia, but that just isn't really true.
The degree of emphasis can make a difference. If the news about Clinton corruption shows up on page 5 of section 4 of the Times, and maybe some obscure Saturday afternoon talk show on NBC, it's almost as if it never happened at all, as far as liberal Democrats are concerned. And, there are claims in liberal outlets that the Clinton uranium scandal has been debunked, for example:

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/25/how-steve-bannon-and-sean-hannity-ginned-up-the-hillary-clinton-uranium-story/

Whereas your Breitbart fans and Fox News watchers have seen this as headline news since 2015. I'm not even clear on whether there is anything new at all coming out about the Clinton uranium scandal, or if it's 100% old news.

Are you saying horseburgers were not made? Or what?
Like I said, how are we supposed to know?

Of course there are different levels of knowing: at least we know that this Channel 4 documentary says so. You know it because you saw it, and I know it only because I consider you a reputable source concerning what you saw on TV.

With the help of Google and Wikipedia, the claim can be traced to the Daily Mail tabloid, and from there to a book, "The Trumps: Three Generations that Built an Empire" by Gwenda Blair. On pp. 84-85, Blair explains that every other restaurant on the Klondike Trail was selling horsemeat, so Fred Trump must have been doing it too. And the customers were mainly there to get into the tent and out of the snow, and weren't under any illusions about where the 'beef' came from.

In context, the story doesn't seem so bad. And it's just a story, you can't make anyone believe it if they don't want to.
 

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The degree of emphasis can make a difference.
No doubt.

With the help of Google and Wikipedia, the claim can be traced to the Daily Mail tabloid, and from there to a book, "The Trumps: Three Generations that Built an Empire" by Gwenda Blair. On pp. 84-85, Blair explains that every other restaurant on the Klondike Trail was selling horsemeat, so Fred Trump must have been doing it too. And the customers were mainly there to get into the tent and out of the snow, and weren't under any illusions about where the 'beef' came from.
See, there you go.

In any case, I was making no moral judgement about using horse meat. That is strictly a cultural issue, which some consider degrading, as with eating dog meat. I only used that as one aspect of the claims. Maybe I should have asked either Freidrich Trump was from Bavaria or not?
 

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Maybe I should have asked either Freidrich Trump was from Bavaria or not?
I'm guessing that his Bavarian origin is well attested and agreed to. But as to the inference that he was a Catholic girly man like Hitler, them's fightin' words. Everybody knows there weren't any girly men on the Klondike frontier.

If Patty Duke is a Jew, then so is Daweed Duke. And I don't care, I love Linda Ronstadt no matter what. "Just one look that's all it took."
Just because Judaism and Catholicism are "incestuously bound at the hip" doesn't mean that you get to talk about Daweed Duke and Linda Ronstadt in the same paragraph. And I can't figure out what any of the three of them are doing in a paragraph about Jews and Catholics, anyhow.
 
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But as to the inference that he was a Catholic girly man like Hitler, them's fightin' words. Everybody knows there weren't any girly men on the Klondike frontier.
Why was that an inference?

Just because Judaism and Catholicism are "incestuously bound at the hip" doesn't mean that you get to talk about Daweed Duke and Linda Ronstadt in the same paragraph. And I can't figure out what any of the three of them are doing in a paragraph about Jews and Catholics, anyhow.
Miles Mathis was making an inference about Linda. I threw Daweed Duke in there because Miles also including Patty Duke in the list, and that When Scotland was Jewish made the claim that use of Jewish names, like Joseph for instance, strongly indicates Jewish (or Lost Tribe Hebrew) heritage based upon deep cultural bonds over generations and generations.

Speaking of Linda I just watched a great rendition of Linda's Blue Bayou on Tuesday night's episode of The Voice.

 

Richard Stanley

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On the other side of the dialectic, we have Donald Trump saying that the mainstream media is "Fake News". And everybody knows it's true.

UK Channel 4 seems to be suspect on both counts: foreign (un-American, unless Brits are honorary citizens), and also mainstream (state funded and liberal).
"And everybody knows it's true." Maybe so, but this is the height of irony coming from Agent Orange Leaks, who as I mentioned before, claims to have invented Fake News. And has probably never, in the history of human kind, lied so prolifically, even lying about what he just lied about in the prior sentence more than once. He brings new meaning to the term "pathological liar".

But even this doesn't address the bald and ubiquitous fakity of such as Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, etc., who model themselves on the antics of the John Birch Society, appealing to the paranoid low information 'citizens' who make me embarrassed to be white.

And so, another distinction that I see between the left MSM and such as mentioned above is that at least the left MSM seems to have a better, albeit skewed, grasp of the underlying facts, only to selectively creatively interpret between the dots. But such as Faux News (owned by a faux American -- Globalist) can't be bothered with facts, except that they usually find them as dark chunks pulled from their asses. All the while knowing that their populo-right (as opposed to the remnants of the paleo-right) loyal audience is too lazy to care whether there are any facts involved about any issue. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT FACTS, PERIOD.

I interpret this dichotomy as consistent with my overall apocalyptic theory, in that the populo-right is being set up as the sacrificial zealots du jour. So the left MSM has the programmatic advantage of usually having at least the facts on its side, because they are scripted as the Global winners.

To continue on the Clinton/Russian/Uranium One deal here is another example, which includes Trump and Trump acolyte lies.

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More than a year ago, the Fact Checker labeled as false various claims that Donald Trump, then a presidential candidate, had made about Hillary Clinton’s alleged role in the approval of the sale of a Canadian company, Uranium One, with mining rights in the United States to Rosatom, Russia’s nuclear energy agency. We’ve delved deep into the tale and recently wrote an update since Rep. Devin Nunes, head of the House Intelligence Committee, announced that Congress would launch a new probe.

Here, we are going to take a closer look at a key claim: that the sale involved “20 percent of our uranium.” Look at how often Tucker Carlson brought up this line in a recent show, saying it was “insane” for Clinton not to realize that “a Russian company was getting 20 percent of our uranium supply.”

Sebastian Gorka, a former Trump White House aide, even suggested that Clinton should be tried and potentially executed because “the Russians infiltrated our national security to corner the uranium market, and they succeeded.” ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/31/the-repeated-incorrect-claim-that-russia-obtained-20-percent-of-our-uranium/

The WP article goes on to explain that Uranium One's in situ uranium extraction process actually represents much less than 20% of American uranium, and it should also be noted that Uranium One must sell that uranium to American interests. The article notes that Uranium One's huge Kazakh mining interests has caused world uranium prices to plummet, thus making our nuclear energy and running of groovy nuclear warships that much cheaper. So cheap, in fact, that we should drive nuclear submarines up the asses of Nazi immigrant Gorka and Faux Fact Fucker Carlson's fatuous asses, while they are hung upside down on meat hooks, naked like Mussolini. Then launch one cruise missile apiece.

I know, I know, I should be easier on them, as they are just doing their scripted jobs.

Oh yes, why don't we have safe, clean, and cheaper thorium power instead?
 

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Why was that an inference?
You mean it was merely an insinuation? An example of neuro-linguistic programming? Surely you weren't calling this to our attention as an example of a completely meaningless coincidence....

Miles Mathis was making an inference about Linda.
Oh, right, I should've known. This is a perfect example of why I consider Mathis basically unreliable. He comes up with a list of 53 famous people born in 1946, and proclaims that this is some sort of "primary marker year" for spooks. But there is nothing particularly obviously spooky about most of those names, other than that they're famous. Surely one could come up with a list of ~2,000 equally famous and suspicious-sounding people born between 1936 and 1976. Mathis's analysis is completely specious, or "Sophistry!" as Yahn would say.

And if there's any inference about Patty Duke or Linda Ronstadt that one can draw from their being born in 1946, even Mathis isn't saying that it relates to Jewishness or Catholicism. Or maybe he does mean crypto Jewish. Mathis sees "cryptos" everywhere.

The WP article goes on to explain that Uranium One's in situ uranium extraction process actually represents much less than 20% of American uranium
So how do we know that the WP's analysis is right, and that the earlier alt-right analysis was wrong?
 

Richard Stanley

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Surely you weren't calling this to our attention as an example of a completely meaningless coincidence....
Yes. It was just a random factoid, that seems part of the Trump narrative.

And if there's any inference about Patty Duke or Linda Ronstadt that one can draw from their being born in 1946, even Mathis isn't saying that it relates to Jewishness or Catholicism. Or maybe he does mean crypto Jewish. Mathis sees "cryptos" everywhere.
Well, Linda did date that Jesuit, Jerry Moonbeam Brown.

So how do we know that the WP's analysis is right, and that the earlier alt-right analysis was wrong?
Generally, for the reasons that I already gave you, and the fact that the alt-right, going back to times even before John Birch, rarely gives detailed facts with their assertions, which is why they're called bald assertions, as opposed to slanted interpretations.

The only real thing of note is the money that Putin slipped to the Clintons. The Clintons, who helped Russia set up its oligarchy. The Clintons, good friends of Agent Orange Leaks.
 

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Generally, for the reasons that I already gave you, and the fact that the alt-right, going back to times even before John Birch, rarely gives detailed facts with their assertions, which is why they're called bald assertions, as opposed to slanted interpretations.
You might be confusing the more populist wing of the right, like Trump and Fox News, with the more wonkish sectors. Some right-wing authors are very careful with facts, even if they have questionable abilities to put their facts in perspective. Schweizer and GAI, the direct authors of "Clinton Cash", seem to be on the wonkish end of the scale. I'm not sure that much of the "Clinton Cash" material has been successfully challenged, though some errors have been admitted & corrected.

The only real thing of note is the money that Putin slipped to the Clintons.
Why would one assume that Putin didn't expect any further favors in return for the money?

Linda did date that Jesuit, Jerry Moonbeam Brown.
But Brown was born in 1938. Nothing suspicious about that. Ronstadt said she was raised a Mexican Catholic, but that the Mexican Catholics aren't really Catholic. And now she's an atheist. Nothing suspicious about that either. Unless you're a very suspicious person....
 

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I really don't want you being suspicious about Linda Ronstadt. Maybe this interview will put your mind at ease, so you can get back to loving her no matter what.

http://www.debbiekruger.com/writer/freelance/ronstadt_transcript.html

I grew up Catholic, so Gregorian Chants are right up my alley. In fact I sing with — I'm not very religious, I call myself a roaming Catholic or a recovering Catholic —

I'm a Jaded Jew.

[Laughs] Well I could be Jewish before I could be Christian. But see Mexicans have a different kind of Christianity because —

They're Catholic aren't they?

Well, they're really not. They're really pagans. They said, it was like, "Oh, you're gonna kill us if we're not Catholics? Okay, we're Catholics. You have a virgin? Okay, we have a virgin, too." The Virgin of Guadalupe, she is not a Christian, she is their major deity, she is a pagan goddess. They got her through, they had to. She's our favorite person around here, we like the Virgin Guadalupe, but she's an Aztec goddess, she's La Nina, she's the girl in the skirt of jade, it's her whole thing. I've got books on that, that's all fascinating, that history. It's a different kind of Catholicism around Mexico, Mexican Catholics... Even the Pope said, when he came to visit Mexico — because you know the Pope wasn't even allowed to visit Mexico for a long time, they threw the Church out, that's what the revolution was all about, the first revolution, not their civil war, but the revolution against Europe, and they threw all the priests out — but one of the things that the Pope said when he came to visit, he said that Mexico's really not, they're not Papists, he said they're Guadalupists. And he knows, he has no control over them, they do what they please.​
 

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You might be confusing the more populist wing of the right, like Trump and Fox News, with the more wonkish sectors. Some right-wing authors are very careful with facts, even if they have questionable abilities to put their facts in perspective. Schweizer and GAI, the direct authors of "Clinton Cash", seem to be on the wonkish end of the scale. I'm not sure that much of the "Clinton Cash" material has been successfully challenged, though some errors have been admitted & corrected.
I'm speaking in terms of generalities Jerry, so certainly there are exception on either side.

Also, one has to distinguish the much more careful hard news aspects of FNC from the talking heads there.

Clinton Cash was also funded by Bannon, BTW. It's pretty hard not to find fault with the Clintons no matter what.

Why would one assume that Putin didn't expect any further favors in return for the money?
Did I suggest that? I thought it obvious that Putin would expect favors. BTW, Hilly approved a tech mission to Russia to help them set up their Silicon Valley while she was SecState.

Linda did front for the Stone Ponies Jerry. But since my surname means Stone Meadow I have no problem with this.
 

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The below clips (couldn't find the Maddow one on YouTube) discusses that Facebook had early funding from a Russian government bank through Russian Yuri Milner (located in Silicon Valley) with a stake of 20%. Milner also has a stake in Kushner's Cadre startup, whom Kushner 'forgot' to disclose.

Melber also mentions the difference between Zuckerburg's tepid responses to Congress versus his earlier effusive relationship to the Russians, including Medvedev.

Also Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur Ross, 'forgot' to disclose his investment in an energy transport company which also is heavily invested in by Putin's son-in-law. Ross's response is that as Secretary of Commerce, he would recuse himself on all matters of energy transport issues, aka 'Commerce'. Lovely. Ross, BTW, was also president of a Cypress bank involved in Russian money laundering, including funds connected to Paul Manafort. Ross, knew Trump from his days as a bankruptcy advisor to the serially incompetent Trump.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/russia-shown-to-be-early-investor-in-twitter-facebook-1090118211550

Also:
http://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/-paradise-papers-link-zuckerberg-and-kremlin-investor-1089922115827
 

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From the blurb for the film:

In his business heyday during the 1980's, Trump was considered the people's billionaire, a brash but relatable embodiment of the American dream. The apex of this carefully crafted persona occurred on November 12, 1986 when he successfully spearheaded a project to restore the public ice skating rink in New York's Central Park. The media was his darling, and remained firmly committed to furthering the perception of Trump as a cozy benefactor of the common people.

That all changed when reports of extramarital affairs and shady business dealings entered the picture, and he found himself the subject of endless tabloid speculation. The film presents and supports many of these claims, including his alleged ties to underworld figures, defaults on massive debts, unfair payment practices amongst his workers, and poor management of the properties which carried his name.

In spite of these damning accusations of ill character, Trump: What's the Deal? highlights perhaps the most significant key to the tycoon's unprecedented success in both the business and political realm: salesmanship. Trump's greatest product is himself, and his greatest gift is in convincing the people that he's the product they want.
Is this the worst of it? Friends in the Mafia, bankruptcies, underpaid workers, poorly maintained buildings? Not that I'm saying any of that is good news, but maybe not any worse than "Hillary issues", either.

Alex Jones, meanwhile, is calling for God and Prayer to help elect Trump, so that Trump can drive a sword into the heart of the oligarchs and globalists. Seriously??

the hinden hand behind trump
 

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The following article posits a similar theme to the prior post, only that the Russian mafia owns Trump, making Trump their suka, or 'bitch'. Likely this article and the above are complementary.

Incidentally and FWIW, in Russian sukin sin means 'son of a bitch'. Just in case you were wondering about that.

As contrary to my usual practice, this article is too long, complicated, and wide ranging to profitably make an excerpt or even multiple ones. However, I can make an exception in excerpting another link link that led me to the article, where one can see that this odd (see further below), which has supported Trump, is having trouble digesting and dismissing all this that conflicts with the narrative they've prior been happy with.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/30/how-trump-became-the-russian-mafias-bitch-2/

My comments on this interpretation are that such a connected oligarch operation as Alfa Bank only operates in Russia at Putin's pleasure, albeit that even Putin likely serves at some Hidden Hand's pleasure. Note that the article states that the nascent Russian mob in the USA reached out to the existing crime families to establish their beachhead. And ... that in Italy, such as the Italian and/or Sicilian Cosa Nostra could be seen with covert ties to the Vatican. This makes for convenient plausible deniability for institutions that need to try to maintain clean hidden hands. In this light may be the important function of such as organized crime providing American and other weaponry to ISIS is all about.

The article also discusses Russian mob's massive human trafficking, including children for pedophilia, which will lead to that:

I found the above in relation to another, even more stunning claim, wholly incompatible with this thread's link, at least on the surface. In the hopefully soon coming piece, is a sophisticated and bizarre counter-claim that Trump is indeed a white hat hero, who is making ready to take down the Deep State, via ~1,000 sealed indictments. And that some of these arrests will include claims of organized pedophilia, operating widespread in government circles. Hmmm. Furthermore, Trump, Putin, and Xi will collaborate against the global evil-doers to make the whole world great ... besides just America again. Hmmm. In this great new order, we will all report to a global database about suspected evil-doers, including our neighbors. Hmmm.

Whether true or not, this forms a great pretext basis for a declaration of a dictatorship, something Trump has been signalling heavily, and conditioning his base to support.

Create the problem, then provide the solution.

This below is from the counter-narrative site, and what I referred to above, and then links to the above VT article.

Phi Beta Iota: Gordon Duff, who has fabricated aspects of his background but also provided a wealth of interesting information over the years, has written an almost menopausal hate screed against our legitimately-elected president….BUT there is enough here to warrant concern. This is as good a “worst case” depiction of the President as we have seen. It needs to be dealt with, both factually and contextually. Contextually, the best thing our President could do is take down the Deep State and connect with the 99% via an Election Reform Act, an Open Source Agency and a Trump Channel , and a national conversation (or two) about Grand Strategy and what a Constitutional Convention might look like.
http://phibetaiota.net/2017/11/veterans-today-is-trump-a-russian-mafia-bitch/
 
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The following excerpts are from a long article from Politico Magazine detailing Trump's 30 year history with Putin's USSR, now Russia. Trump mentions this beginning in his Bible, The Art of the Deal. And of this latter he has been proving every day that he is getting taken by the Russians, the Chinese, Congress, etc., unless, that is, he has a very different political agenda (and master) than we all commonly understand. What's the Deal?

Contrast the below with the glowing adoration of claimed White Hat spook Robert David Steele: http://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/spy-vs-spy-the-real-fake-war-against-us.2202/#post-9130

Of course, former CIA spook, Robert David Steele, loves Putin as well, who is chatting this up to the alt-media patriots, the nationalist Zealots of the new age.

Below from: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842
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As Trump tells it, the idea for his first trip to Moscow came after he found himself seated next to the Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin. This was in autumn 1986; the event was a luncheon held by Leonard Lauder, the businessman son of Estée Lauder. Dubinin’s daughter Natalia “had read about Trump Tower and knew all about it,” Trump said in his 1987 bestseller, The Art of the Deal.

Trump continued: “One thing led to another, and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel, across the street from the Kremlin, in partnership with the Soviet government.”

Trump’s chatty version of events is incomplete. According to Natalia Dubinina, the actual story involved a more determined effort by the Soviet government to seek out Trump. In February 1985 Kryuchkov complained again about “the lack of appreciable results of recruitment against the Americans in most Residencies.” The ambassador arrived in New York in March 1986. His original job was Soviet ambassador to the U.N.; his daughter Dubinina was already living in the city with her family, and she was part of the Soviet U.N. delegation.

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Dubinin’s other daughter, Irina, said that her late father—he died in 2013—was on a mission as ambassador. This was, she said, to make contact with America’s business elite. For sure, Gorbachev’s Politburo was interested in understanding capitalism. But Dubinin’s invitation to Trump to visit Moscow looks like a classic cultivation exercise, which would have had the KGB’s full support and approval.

In The Art of the Deal, Trump writes: “In January 1987, I got a letter from Yuri Dubinin, the Soviet ambassador to the United States, that began: ‘It is a pleasure for me to relay some good news from Moscow.’ It went on to say that the leading Soviet state agency for international tourism, Goscomintourist, had expressed interest in pursuing a joint venture to construct and manage a hotel in Moscow.”

There were many ambitious real estate developers in the United States—why had Moscow picked Trump?

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Over in the communist German Democratic Republic, one of Kryuchkov’s 34-year-old officers—one Vladimir Putin—was busy trying to recruit students from Latin America. Putin arrived in Dresden in August 1985, together with his pregnant wife, Lyudmila, and one-year-old daughter, Maria. They lived in a KGB apartment block.

According to the writer Masha Gessen, one of Putin’s tasks was to try to befriend foreigners studying at the Dresden University of Technology. The hope was that, if recruited, the Latin Americans might work in the United States as undercover agents, reporting back to the Center. Putin set about this together with two KGB colleagues and a retired Dresden policeman.



From COLLUSION: SECRET MEETINGS, DIRTY MONEY, AND HOW RUSSIA HELPED DONALD TRUMP WIN, by Luke Harding

Precisely what Putin did while working for the KGB’s First Directorate in Dresden is unknown. It may have included trying to recruit Westerners visiting Dresden on business and East Germans with relatives in the West. Putin’s efforts, Gessen suggests, were mostly a failure. He did manage to recruit a Colombian student. Overall his operational results were modest.

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Moscow was, Trump wrote, “an extraordinary experience.” The Trumps stayed in Lenin’s suite at the National Hotel, at the bottom of Tverskaya Street, near Red Square. Seventy years earlier, in October 1917, Lenin and his wife, Nadezhda Krupskaya, had spent a week in room 107. The hotel was linked to the glass-and-concrete Intourist complex next door and was— in effect—under KGB control. The Lenin suite would have been bugged.

Meanwhile, the mausoleum containing the Bolshevik leader’s embalmed corpse was a short walk away. Other Soviet leaders were interred beneath the Kremlin’s wall in a communist pantheon: Stalin, Brezhnev, Andropov—Kryuchkov’s old mentor—and Dzerzhinsky.

According to The Art of the Deal, Trump toured “a half dozen potential sites for a hotel, including several near Red Square.” “I was impressed with the ambition of Soviet officials to make a deal,” he writes. He also visited Leningrad, later St. Petersburg. A photo shows Donald and Ivana standing in Palace Square—he in a suit, she in a red polka dot blouse with a string of pearls. Behind them are the Winter Palace and the state Hermitage museum.

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Trump’s visit appears to have attracted less attention. There is no mention of him in Moscow’s Russian State Library newspaper archive. (Either his visit went unreported or any articles featuring it have been quietly removed.) Press clippings do record a visit by a West German official and an Indian cultural festival.

The KGB’s private dossier on Trump, by contrast, would have gotten larger. The agency’s multipage profile would have been enriched with fresh material, including anything gleaned via eavesdropping.

Nothing came of the trip—at least nothing in terms of business opportunities inside Russia. This pattern of failure would be repeated in Trump’s subsequent trips to Moscow. But Trump flew back to New York with a new sense of strategic direction. For the first time he gave serious indications that he was considering a career in politics. Not as mayor or governor or senator.

Trump was thinking about running for president.
 
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