Joseph Atwill on Fukushima and nuclear genocide, Mon. May 11

lorenhough

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I moved to Fiji to escape Fukushima. The North Pacific ocean is dying not because plastic the size of Texas floating in the water not because of run off , BC coast has no run off, the life is dying not because of CO2 it sinks into the ocean where it's cold, how does that explain all the death in Mexico on the coast, how does overfishing explain all the starfish dying from Mexico to Alaska. There is a debris field from Fukushima twice the size of America it's highly radioactive spreading across the North Pacific ocean. It collected in the rain and snow falls out and comes back down to the river to the ocean.

at 30,000 feet flying to Fiji from LA at night I was getting extremely high ratings on my radiation detector. Fu or. Bombs the sun? I do not know.
Near the equator at night I think some of this is just background radiation I have no evidence that this is Fukushima radiation. But it could be.

Been asked to share this information with the Fiji government.

The night of Fukushima it was reported to fly out that night from Tokyo they're asking for $100,000 only the rich and the smart got out and never went back.

Don't let the fools fool yeah, The master always blames the slaves.

Gov’t Experts: Hordes of jellyfish 10 blocks long off west coast of Seattle; So dense it’s like you can just walk on them… Disturbing when all you pull up are huge masses of jellyfish — NPR: They seem to be replacing fish in food chain — Herring disappear, mysterious spike in salmon deaths (PHOTOS)
Published: May 14th, 2015
By ENENews

May 12, 201 Jellyfish Boom As Little Fish Disappeared… A bill signed by Governor Jay Inslee authorizes a major study of fish in Puget Sound… A new study suggests that the little guys are disappearing… [NOAA biologist] Correigh Greene is standing near the end of a fishing dock in West Seattle. He’s not here to fish, but he tells me what he’d expect to catch if he threw a net in the water here: Some young salmon pumped out by hatcheries(Green): “and that’s mostly it, aside from a bunch of jellyfish”… In much of Puget Sound… researchers rarely pull up
the little fish that salmon, and even orcas, depend on. Mostly they get big hauls of jellyfish. Greene recalls one of the biggest — (Green): “The net was so filled with jellyfish we couldn’t bring it on board. It was too heavy for our winch. It’s fairly disturbing when all you pull up are these huge masses of jellyfish.”… Jellies seem to be replacing the tastier parts of the food chain, like herring… federal biologists can’t explain why forage fish, like herring, have declined by 98 percent or more in much of Puget Sound.

Christopher Krembs, Washington Dept of Ecology oceanographer: “Fall and winter, the patches were just enormous… not just a few blocks long; some of them were 10 blocks long… it was so dense, you had the feeling you could just walk on them.”


Seattle Times, May 2, 2015: Prime fish give way to hordes of jellyfish in Puget Sound… Over the past 40 years, the researchers found that the numbers of herring and smelt have plummeted… herring catches were 1 percent or less of what they were… [P]ollution can impair reproduction in forage fish… But even in the relatively undeveloped Rosario and San Juan basins to the north, herring catches have fallen by more than 80 percent… “People who have a history of being out on the water will say: ‘There sure are a lot more jellyfish than there used to be,’” [Univ. of Washington fisheries professor Tim Essington] said… In recent years, [Krembs] noticedlarger and more frequent blooms… a huge bloom of moon jellies [was seen] in October — when jellyfish usually start a seasonal decline.

NOAA, May 2015: Pacific herring and surf smelt… declined by as much as two orders of magnitude… with jellyfish-dominated catches jumping three to nine-fold in the same sub-basins… In some cases more than nine of every 10 tows of trawl survey nets in recent years brought in catches dominated by jellyfish… The research may also help resolve the mystery of why juvenile salmon survival has declined sharply in Puget Sound… “there is clearly a compelling pattern of change in Puget Sound food webs that may be linked to human influence,” said Casey Rice, a [NOAA] research fish biologist.

My friends is Fukushima man-made human influence yes!!!!!

LH.
 
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How I learned to stop worrying and love the jellyfish

Amy ideas, Loren, on how to organize a real information gathering process?
 

Jerry Russell

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Loren,

Congrats on your move! May you live long, and prosper in your new home.

The jellyfish blooms have been a problem for some time now -- see, for example, this article from before Fukushima. Radiation may be a factor, but it doesn't seem to be the whole story.

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/02/26/giant-jellyfish-swarms-–-are-humans-the-cause/

Overfishing favors jellyfish because it eliminates their predators (they have very few anyway) and competitors. Jellyfish also benefit when forage fish, such as herring and sardines, are harvested for aquaculture fishmeal, because forage fish normally compete with them for zooplankton.

Agricultural, animal waste and sewage runoff loads coastal waters with nutrients (nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium), which cause eutrophication where algae proliferate, then die, robbing the water of oxygen. Eutrophication provides more food for jellyfish polyps and favors jellyfish and polyps over fish because they can tolerate low oxygen levels. In addition, eutrophication clouds the water, which makes it harder for fish, who are visual feeders, to feed, while jellyfish don’t rely on sight to feed.

Human coastal development has also helped jellyfish thrive. The structures and construction that we have placed in the water, such as piers, marinas, oil platforms, artificial reefs, refuse, rubble, aquaculture pens and structures, etc. provide an abundance of habitats for polyps to settle on.
 

lorenhough

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How I learned to stop worrying and love the jellyfish

Amy ideas, Loren, on how to organize a real information gathering process?
Nothing Is-rael nothing to get hung up on, Jellyfish fields forever?

Greetings Joe you were absolutely right we need a real collection center! For now ENenews is all we have. Also http://fukushimafacts.com and my site radiation debate.com

Joe this is one of the most important issues of our time! I cannot thank you enough for your interest. This is the reason why I wanted to meet you to have you turn your big brain power light on the darkness of fuk u shima, dr simon & others have asked for A real collection center also.

Let us start the process of talking to our friends who can help us start a Real Collection Ctr., Jan Irving and others I hope will help us.


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    What proof do we have the ocean is getting warmer? And how is the West Coast warmer then other parts of the North Pacific? Or any place else in the ocean on the earth why California???!!!!

    Everything that is happening in the ocean is predictable from radiation. What's the odds North Pacific would die right after Fukushima?

    Joe take time to listen to this.

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/cutting-through-matrix-alan/id154490096?mt=2&i=341837769
 
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Hi Loren

Thanks for the link. Yes, what are the odds of an accidental Pacific die off right after F U Shima? We need to monitor the scope of the destruction to determine if it different from previous natural die offs.

Listened to Watt. Very clearminded individual. How does he stand on the most critical issue - the ethnicity of the oligarchs?

Joe
 

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"what are the odds of an accidental Pacific die off right after F U Shima?" My cat died of kidney failure at age 14 in 2014, what are the odds? I flipped a coin from my pocket and it came up heads, what are the odds? Looks to me like it could be a coincidence.

What you're really arguing is a cause-and-effect relationship. The problem with that is, we have a vast amount of experience with the effects of radiation. We know that there's an acute dose that almost always causes death within a few weeks or months. And then there's a wide range of smaller doses that cause delayed, random ("stochastic") effects which can only be detected by studying large populations. That is, if a million people are dosed with radioactivity at the level that was experienced in Kiev following Chernobyl, there will be thousands of cancer cases, and tens of thousands of other illnesses. Some scientists believe that this can be extrapolated to very low doses, for example the amount of dosage worldwide from atmospheric nuclear testing in the 1950's, but this is very controversial. We are certain that most people who receive these small doses of radiation, die of old age from random causes. In spite of whatever negative effects might pertain from small radiation doses -- we also know that life expectancy has gone up pretty dramatically overall since the start of the nuclear age.

As I mentioned in the podcast, Chris Busby and his group think that the standard model for cancers and other genetic damage caused by stochastic exposures to low levels of particulate radioactive contamination, is too low by a factor of 600. I think they're probably right, or at least that their view is closer to the truth than the standard model. But that doesn't mean that any tiny but measurable amount of radiation can cause infinite damage!

The average levels of radiation that are actually being measured in the Pacific Ocean are very ordinary, and would not be expected to cause any measurable level of excess deaths unless you were prepared to survey millions of fish to detect a few fatalities. Radiation doesn't necessarily distribute uniformly -- the Chernobyl experience showed that it often was deposited in patches, with some localized areas at very dangerous levels. If the same thing happened in the Pacific, you'd expect that a few fish and other animals would have the misfortune to get hit -- but you wouldn't expect massive die-offs.

As is often the case, it's instructive to actually read the linked articles from ENE News, and see that the panic headlines are totally unsupported by the stories. The article at the Guardian says that there were 2700 stranded sea lion pups so far in 2015, up from 1171 in 2013, out of a sea-lion population estimated at 300,000. This is a cause for concern, but it's an exaggeration to say that "an entire generation of sea lions is dying", and this quote does not appear anywhere in the Guardian article. Also, contrary to the scare headline from ENE News, there's a perfectly good explanation: the sea lion cubs are dying because they're hungry!! Not because they're suffering from radiation poisoning.

Loren asks "What proof do we have the ocean is getting warmer?" Well, the scientists who are being quoted in these articles have thermometers! It may not be proof, but it's what we've got. What evidence do you have, Loren, to be insinuating that these scientists are liars who have been bought and paid for by Agenda 21? It's possible of course -- but I don't accept the idea that we can just read what these articles say, and then believe the opposite. Now, if Dana D. also had a thermometer, then at least we'd have a second data point.

It's good that you have a geiger counter, Loren. The focus in the video is a little off, but I think it says 2.73 microseverts per hour at 0:10? If so, that would indeed be a dangerous level for round-the-clock exposure, and those levels are known to cause increased levels of cancer in airline employees. But, according to this link, those are totally ordinary levels for intercontinental airline flights:

https://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/commercialflights.html

Loren & Joe -- when it comes to ENE News, I am getting really tired of seeing their misleading headlines posted here in our forum. ENE doesn't actually do any writing or research, they're only an aggregator. I think Loren should go to the trouble of reading & summarizing the actual sources, and posting quotes that come directly from those sources.
 

lorenhough

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Hi Loren

Thanks for the link. Yes, what are the odds of an accidental Pacific die off right after F U Shima? We need to monitor the scope of the destruction to determine if it different from previous natural die offs.

Listened to Watt. Very clearminded individual. How does he stand on the most critical issue - the ethnicity of the oligarchs?

Joe
. Today I was finally able to listen to the podcast, 34 minutes into the podcast; do you serious believe they cannot make a big wave? they cannot put a bomb in a critical place in the earth to cause earthquake are you joking? Those who are not willing to do the homework and do the research and not asked to critical right questions are leading you down the path. What's the odds that someone would believe a cat to be alive and dead at the same time?
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For the band, see Tsunami Bomb.
The tsunami bomb was an attempt during World War II to develop a tectonic weapon that could create destructivetsunamis. The project commenced after US Navy officer E.A. Gibson noticed small waves generated by explosions used to clear coral reefs. The idea was developed by the United States and New Zealand military in a programme code named Project Seal.[1]

Tests were conducted by Professor Thomas Leech, of the University of Auckland, in Whangaparaoa off the coast of Aucklandand off New Caledonia[1] between 1944 and 1945. British and US defence chiefs were eager to see it developed, and it was considered potentially as important as the atomic bomb. It was expected to cause massive damage to coastal cities or coastal defences.

The weapon was only tested using small explosions and never on a full scale. 3,700 test explosions[1] were conducted over a seven-month period. The tests revealed that a single explosion would not produce a tsunami, but concluded that a line of 2,000,000 kg (4,400,000 lb) of explosives about 8 km (5.0 mi) off the coast could create a destructive wave.[1]

Details of the experiments codenamed "Project Seal" were released to the public by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade in 1999 and are available at Archives New Zealand in Wellington and at the Scripps Institution Of Oceanography Archives in San Diego, California.[2][3]

A 1968 research report sponsored by the US Office of Naval Research addressed this hypothesis of coastal damage due to large explosion-generated waves, and found theoretical and experimental evidence showing it to be relatively inefficient in wave-making potential, with most wave energy dissipated by breaking on the continental shelf before reaching the shore.[4]

Analysis of the declassified documents in 1999 by the University of Waikato suggested the weapon would be viable.[5]

No specific targets for the weapon were identified, but in 2013 New Zealand broadcaster and author Ray Waru suggestedcoastal fortifications in Japan ahead of an invasion of the Japanese home islands.[6]

Egyptian magazine Al-Osboa claimed that the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami was intentionally caused by anuclear weapon detonated in a strategic position under the ocean.[7][8]

Yes it is true if you eat a hot particle it may pass through you but I cannot guarantee that! As a one time thing but if you're eating it every day it will start bio-accumulate in your body similar to the fish. The hot particles mimic minerals and if your body is in need of minerals it will search for them and place them where it thinks it should go.

But if you breathe a hot particle .5 µm .10 µm which will fit into your lungs which does float in the air I can guarantee it will be lodged in your lungs.
 
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lorenhough

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Hi Loren

Thanks for the link. Yes, what are the odds of an accidental Pacific die off right after F U Shima? We need to monitor the scope of the destruction to determine if it different from previous natural die offs.

Listened to Watt. Very clearminded individual. How does he stand on the most critical issue - the ethnicity of the oligarchs?

Joe
To say they are focusing only on American Indian Oriental those who resistance with out looking at the USA,. What Country is the most nuked country in the world? The United States had over 200 test above ground, just to save us from the atomic bomb from Russia? Ok? I have good evidence that's my little sister died at 4 1/2 years old in the 60s from the testing and my mother later had cancer in her breast 20 years later. Which state has the highest concentration of cancer and autism Utah! The downwinders from Nevada.

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/yuccaflat/atomic-photos.html

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lorenhough

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Hi Loren

Thanks for the link. Yes, what are the odds of an accidental Pacific die off right after F U Shima? We need to monitor the scope of the destruction to determine if it different from previous natural die offs.

Listened to Watt. Very clearminded individual. How does he stand on the most critical issue - the ethnicity of the oligarchs?

Joe
. Greetings Joe

1:17 min podcast if I understood him correctly, Jerry said that Fukushima is equal to what happened In Russia. That was his best guess? Ok?

What happened in Russia was a nuclear power plant that had just started and had no fuel pools vs. f u had 40 years worth of spent fuel pools! From six reactors not one. The nuclear power plant in Russia was one third the size of one of the reactors in Japan f u shima. There were six nuclear reactors at f u and we must assume that all six of them melted down. Not to mention the other nuclear plant plants nearby on the ocean that we know nothing about. They have admitted to three meltdowns melt through's into the ground into the water table of the ocean, and if you look carefully at the pictures it's obvious that the fuel pools blew up and also melted. As all of their fuel pools which were sitting on top of them. so you had bombs sitting next to bombs with bombs on top of bombs. Then you must remember they added mox fuel to the reactors, which is concentrated nuclear radiation from dismantled nuclear bomb's. THen you have the special effect of what sea water does to the burning reaction creating buckyballs making the radiation even more deadly.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/u-s-nuclear-power-plants-safe-distance/

http://www.infomercantile.com/images/e/ef/Fallout_Map,_3-23-1963-Saturday-Evening-Post.jpg

Joe what is the odds that the president of the United States would go to South America for two weeks right after Fukushima escape the radiation?
Loren
 
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lorenhough

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How I learned to stop worrying and love the jellyfish

Amy ideas, Loren, on how to organize a real information gathering process?
1:12 min in Did someone say 500 tests? If I understand him correctly I do not understand where he gets his data.

http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/nuclear-atmospheric-bomb-testing-1945.html

Some people have theorized that the big boys want Fukushima radiation contamination as a process of creating humans that can withstand radiation in order to be able to leave this planet and to go into the future into the universe.

I don't know anybody that said that whole Pacific ocean is dying and if they did their completely wrong there's little or no mixing between the north and south oceans but there's a direct current coming from Japan to California BC coast and it concentrates in that river ramming into USA .
 
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lorenhough

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Loren & Joe -- when it comes to ENE News, I am getting really tired of seeing their misleading headlines posted here in our forum. ENE doesn't actually do any writing or research, they're only an aggregator. I think Loren should go to the trouble of reading & summarizing the actual sources, and posting quotes that come directly from those sources.
Jerry says that Dana d. said the "entire ocean" is died, where does he say that? Please answer this question!


Better yet why don't we get you and Dana on the podcast and we can have a little debate.


Joe says we must be open to everything and you're wanting to limit my free speech on your little truck. You speak about dying seals but I cannot. You're getting tired of me you don't like what I say. And then to assume I never read the articles I put up you're the one that did not watch a video and you put it up after the guy said that he was more rotten then the books we were studying.

What's the difference if I summarizing it or put up the actual article I will be saying the same thing.

Joe tell me what to do do I stop sharing give up or hang in there? The gatekeeper is closing the gate on me. What to do?

I have never said the pollution is not a problem I've never said run off is not a problem I've never said plastic is not a problem. I say it's a combination of things as you said Joe you're right, I do say the radiation is a big factor. Because it will last for 1 billion years. I'm finding it very hard to have a conversation with Joe. When being attacked by Jerry.

Loren
 
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lorenhough

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Loren,

Congrats on your move! May you live long, and prosper in your new home.

The jellyfish blooms have been a problem for some time now -- see, for example, this article from before Fukushima. Radiation may be a factor, but it doesn't seem to be the whole story.

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/02/26/giant-jellyfish-swarms-–-are-humans-the-cause/
. Jerry what is the difference in between a jellyfish bloom & a Jellyfish die off???????? From Mexico to Alaska! It's like a cat dead or alive but not both at the same time!!!! I have read everything on your site I have looked at every video on this site. you interview me on your podcast then I find out you have not read anything I put up or the videos I put up on the issue that you wanted me to talk about. And your excuse was that I put up so much on many many subjects you can't bother to look at them. There was only a few paragraphs and one video which represented what I was going to talk about and you were going to interview me on and all you could do was look up Wikipedia to be prepared. Etc.
 
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lorenhough

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The ocean off the coast of California is “turning into a desert” – marine ecosystem crash is unprecedented
Posted on May 19, 2015by The Extinction Protocol

A cart of deceased malnourished and dehydrated sea lions that had been stranded along the northern California coast, await their turn for necropsy. Photograph: Peter Dasilva/EPA
May 2015OCEAN HEALTH – The waters of the Pacific off the coast of California are a clear, shimmering blue today, so transparent it’s possible to see the sandy bottom below. Viewing the ocean from the state’s famous craggy headlands, it’s impossible to know that the ocean’s unusual clarity is hiding a cruel beauty: clear water is a sign that the ocean is turning into a desert, and the chain reaction that causes that bitter clarity is perhaps most obvious on the beaches of the Golden State, where thousands of emaciated sea lion pups are stranded. Sea lions are a ubiquitous part of the Californian landscape – they’re up and down beaches, piers and wharfs, with an overall population estimated at around 300,000. They have the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972 to thank for their existence, passed by Congress in response to concerns about dwindling populations of marine mammals, including sea lions.
Now, the familiar creatures have become victims of their own success, with some arguing that their population may have reached natural capacity, and others blaming it on changing environmental conditions in California. Over the last three years, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has noticed a growing number of strandings on the beaches of California and up into the Pacific north-west. In 2013, 1,171 sea lions were stranded, and 2,700 have already stranded in 2015 – a sign that something is seriously wrong, as pups don’t normally wind up on their own until later in the spring and early summer. The problem, explains Justin Viezbicke of NOAA, is those crystal-clear waters. “The main contributing factor that we’re looking at right now and talking about with the biologists and climatologists on the Channel Islands [a major sea lion rookery] is the lack of upwelling. We haven’t had the strong north winds that drive the currents that create it, and because it hasn’t materialized – it’s moved the prey further and deeper from the moms that are foraging.” –Guardian

Nate Mantua, NOAA: “[An unusually large number of sea lions stranding in 2013 was a red flag] there was a food availability problem even before the ocean got warm.” Johnson: This has never happened before… It’s incredible. It’s so unusual, and there’s no really good explanation for it. There’s also a good chance that the problem will continue, said a NOAA research scientist in climatology, Nate Mantua.
 

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Hello Loren,

Don't go to sleep! do you serious believe they cannot make a big wave? they cannot put a bomb in a critical place in the earth to cause earthquake are you joking? Those who are not willing to do the homework and do the research and not asked to critical right questions are leading you down the path. The blind following the blind. How strange the love!
Loren, on the podcast I admitted this is possible. I didn't know the information in your Wiki article, thank you for that, but it says that the job is difficult and it doesn't say that the result of the explosions would be anything like a high-Richter Scale earthquake. "The blind following the blind". Why so insulting to me?

Yes it is true if you eat a hot particle it may pass through you but I cannot guarantee that! As a one time thing but if you're eating it every day it will start bio-accumulate in your body similar to the fish. The hot particles mimic minerals and if your body is in need of minerals it will search for them and place them where it thinks it should go.

But if you breathe a hot particle .5 µm .10 µm which will fit into your lungs which does float in the air I can guarantee it will be lodged in your longs.
All absolutely true, and this is the reason why I called for a complete shutdown of all nuclear power plants in the world, effective ASAP. Particles of pure plutonium would bio-accumulate at very low rates, but particles of mixed nuclear waste including strontium, barium & iodine would bioaccumulate exactly as you say.

To say they are focusing only on American Indian Oriental those who resistance with out looking at the USA, is silly. What Country is the most nuked country in the world? The United States had over 800 test above ground, just to save us from the atomic bomb from Russia? Ok? I have good evidence that's my little sister died at 4 1/2 years old in the 60s from the testing and my mother later had cancer in her breast 20 years later. Which state has the highest concentration of cancer and autism Utah! The downwinders from Nevada.
Where do you get this figure of 800 USA tests above ground? Wiki says 216 including tests in outer space, and gives the DOE as their source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_United_States

On a statewide basis, I'm not surprised that the greatest impact from testing would be in Utah and I would guess that Nevada would also have substantial impacts. Locally, the sources I gave indicate that Native Americans were impacted disproportionately.

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/letterfromjapan05dec12.shtml

from Neal Perrochet

If you take time to connect the dots to see where it was developed (Europe, not America), where it was first tested (New Mexico and the western USA adjacent to significant native American communities that were never defeated and kept their own lands) , where it was further "tested" on Pacific Islanders (Bikini, Inewetok, French Polynesia) and of course the nuclear attacks on Japan after it was defeated, aimed specifically at women and children, you may find a common thread. That thread is that nuclear weapons, including depleted uranium munitions (contaminating much of Okinawa due to "practice rounds fired") are used against the women and children of non white, non christian nations that stood up and fought back against British /American /European imperialism. Not that anyone is squeaky clean and pure, we are all human and capable of bad behavior and killing, yet I urge you and others to take a hard look at the Manhattan project and who was behind it, not necessarily the "illuminati", a catch all phrase, but the same old world powers/ institutions predominantly out of Europe. FDR was sold the secrets with A. Einstein as the band leader for public consumption (the kindly old professor type) and the rest is history. The British and French states have been using the Pacific as their nuclear toilet for half a century. No blowing up atomic bombs in the Atlantic? Think…
Also see --

http://www.amazon.com/Half-Lives-Truths-Confronting-Radioactive/dp/1930618824

1:17 min podcast if I understood him correctly, Jerry said that Fukushima is equal to what happened In Russia. That was his best guess? Ok?

What happened in Russia was a nuclear power plant that had just started and had no fuel pools vs. f u had 40 years worth of spent fuel pools! From six reactors not one. The nuclear power plant in Russia was one third the size of one of the reactors in Japan f u shima. There were six nuclear reactors at f u and we must assume that all six of them melted down. Not to mention the other nuclear plant plants nearby on the ocean that we know nothing about. They have admitted to three meltdowns melt through's into the ground into the water table of the ocean, and if you look carefully at the pictures it's obvious that the fuel pools blew up and also melted. As all of their fuel pools which were sitting on top of them. so you had bombs sitting next to bombs with bombs on top of bombs. Then you must remember they added mox fuel to the reactors, which is concentrated nuclear radiation from dismantled nuclear bomb's. THen you have the special effect of what sea water does to the burning reaction creating buckyballs making the radiation even more deadly.
On the other hand, at Chernobyl the reactor is thought to have mostly exploded & burned, and there was no containment vessel at all. At Fukushima, there's a lot of controversy about what happened; Loren, what you've given is pretty much a worst-case view -- but not everybody would agree all six reactors melted down, or that the fuel pools blew up and melted. Here's my source for radiation estimates at Chernobyl & Fukushima. My method for coming up with a "best guess" is not sophisticated -- I just split the difference between the low & high estimates.

http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=11668

Did someone say 500 tests? If I understand him correctly I do not understand where he gets his data.
From Wikipedia. There have been a total of 2474 nuclear tests, but only 520 above ground. The underground tests did not release radioactivity directly into the atmosphere, although over the centuries to come I suppose there will be some discharge, especially into groundwater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests

As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted with a total yield of 545 Megaton (Mt):
Jerry says that Dana d. said the "entire ocean" is died, where does he say that? Please answer this question!
By "entire ocean" I meant the entire Pacific ocean. I've given my source on this earlier and I don't want to repeat myself or repeat doing the research, but if Dana didn't actually say this, I stand corrected.

It makes sense that Dana wouldn't make any claims about the South Pacific. I believe he does claim the entire North Pacific is dead. Do you agree, Loren, or am I missing some nuance?

Jerry what is the difference in between a jellyfish bloom & a Jellyfish die off????????
There is no difference between a jellyfish bloom and a jellyfish die off! Once they've bloomed, they overrun their food source and then they must perish. Some scientists say that the blooms aren't intensifying in recent years, but I think there's enough evidence to say that the problem has gotten progressively worse.

I have read everything on your site I have looked at every video on this site. you interview me on your podcast then I find out you have not read anything I put up or the videos I put up on the issue that you wanted me to talk about. And your excuse was that I put up so much on many many subjects you can't bother to look at them. There was only a few paragraphs and one video which represented what I was going to talk about and you were going to interview me on and all you could do was look up Wikipedia to be prepared.
Loren, first of all, thank you for reading and commenting at the site. I am finding it to be a challenging encounter and I do have to set some ground rules. I did try to read & watch everything you posted that was specifically about the Georgia Guidestones. Somehow I missed the video showing the guy removing the 2014 block, and so I misinterpreted the photos from that event, and wound up not understanding what happened there. I apologize for missing that. In addition to looking up Wikipedia, I also read a couple of other sources in preparation for that podcast.

I'm finding it very hard to have a conversation with Joe. When being attacked by Jerry.
If you want to have a conversation privately with Joe, this site has a private messaging system.
 
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lorenhough

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Hello Loren,



Loren, on the podcast I admitted this is possible. I didn't know the information in your Wiki article, thank you for that, but it says that the job is difficult and it doesn't say that the result of the explosions would be anything like a high-Richter Scale earthquake. "The blind following the blind". Why so insulting to me?



All absolutely true, and this is the reason why I called for a complete shutdown of all nuclear power plants in the world, effective ASAP. Particles of pure plutonium would bio-accumulate at very low rates, but particles of mixed nuclear waste including strontium, barium & iodine would bioaccumulate exactly as you say.



Where do you get this figure of 800 USA tests above ground? Wiki says 216 including tests in outer space, and gives the DOE as their source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_United_States

On a statewide basis, I'm not surprised that the greatest impact from testing would be in Utah and I would guess that Nevada would also have substantial impacts. Locally, the sources I gave indicate that Native Americans were impacted disproportionately.

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/letterfromjapan05dec12.shtml

from Neal Perrochet



Also see --

http://www.amazon.com/Half-Lives-Truths-Confronting-Radioactive/dp/1930618824



On the other hand, at Chernobyl the reactor is thought to have mostly exploded & burned, and there was no containment vessel at all. At Fukushima, there's a lot of controversy about what happened; Loren, what you've given is pretty much a worst-case view -- but not everybody would agree all six reactors melted down, or that the fuel pools blew up and melted. Here's my source for radiation estimates at Chernobyl & Fukushima. My method for coming up with a "best guess" is not sophisticated -- I just split the difference between the low & high estimates.

http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=11668



From Wikipedia. There have been a total of 2474 nuclear tests, but only 520 above ground. The underground tests did not release radioactivity directly into the atmosphere, although over the centuries to come I suppose there will be some discharge, especially into groundwater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests





By "entire ocean" I meant the entire Pacific ocean. I've given my source on this earlier and I don't want to repeat myself or repeat doing the research, but if Dana didn't actually say this, I stand corrected.

It makes sense that Dana wouldn't make any claims about the South Pacific. I believe he does claim the entire North Pacific is dead. Do you agree, Loren, or am I missing some nuance? You're right, I find Dana extremely distasteful, insulting, vulgar, and refuse to spend much time listening to his endless podcasts.



There is no difference between a jellyfish bloom and a jellyfish die off! Once they've bloomed, they overrun their food source and then they must perish. Some scientists say that the blooms aren't intensifying in recent years, but I think there's enough evidence to say that the problem has gotten progressively worse.



Loren, first of all, thank you for reading and commenting at the site. I am finding it to be a challenging encounter and I do have to set some ground rules. I did try to read & watch everything you posted that was specifically about the Georgia Guidestones. Somehow I missed the video showing the guy removing the 2014 block, and so I misinterpreted the photos from that event, and wound up not understanding what happened there. I apologize for missing that. In addition to looking up Wikipedia, I also read a couple of other sources in preparation for that podcast.



If you want to have a conversation privately with Joe, this site has a private messaging system.
. For those have the time here it is from the horse mouth.

You basically made fun of Dana, his little boat? And put words in his mouth. Do you know who he is ? What he did for a living ? Before he was hurt and can not walk? Yes can not walk !! I will say sorry for u being blind if you can tell me what he did for a living and why he is so important to understand what going on. In coast of BC!
 
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Jerry Russell

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Hi Loren,

I don't want to spend 50 minutes right now watching Busby's interview. Could you summarize what he said that's relevant?
 

lorenhough

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How I learned to stop worrying and love the jellyfish

Amy ideas, Loren, on how to organize a real information gathering process?
Dana d. Is collecting 1000s of pictures of the coast now. 5000 spices gone, please please think about haveing him on your show. Thanks you Joe.

I ask you dear. Friends to watch this video, I repeat my self everyday as this is so important, we are not getting the whole story, and those will not take the time the hard work to understand only repeat the lies!

Allen watt says the banker kings London rule but I will give u more info on that.

No chem trails in Fiji ! Good news yes

 
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lorenhough

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U can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink. Yes?
. Jerry U said the "entire ocean" not just the pacific, words are so important when talking about important things!

Jerry said, It makes sense that Dana wouldn't make any claims about the South Pacific. I believe he does claim the entire North Pacific is dead. Do you agree, Loren, or am I missing some nuance?

Dana is showing with evidence the North Pacific coast off BC. is dyeing. How would jerry know as he doesn't want to know, what Dana is saying but talks about him as he does.??
 
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Jerry Russell

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U can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink. Yes?
Loren, it only takes you a few seconds to post a link to a video that takes me an hour to watch. If I watched all the videos you post here, I'd hardly have time to do anything else. So I guess it's too much to ask for you to take a moment to summarize Busby's statement? I like Busby, generally I think he's very accurate and perceptive and knowledgeable, and I wish I had time to watch him this afternoon, but I don't.

How would jerry know as he doesn't want to know, what Dana is saying but talks about him as he does.??
I was relying on the headline title of one of Dana's videos.

Here's the link again Loren, look at the headline that Dana himself wrote for his video. "Horror - Pacific Ocean now dead from Fukushima Radiation".

 
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