JFK: What do we really know about that day in Dallas?

Richard Stanley

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Another matter I forgot to comment on was the treatment of FDR, which was maybe an editorial decision, based upon time considerations. But, considering the video was already 3.5 hours long, I'm not sure about that.

In any case, FDR, as we know, was a high ranking Freemason, and we know that the PTB don't allow just anybody to gain access to the WH. That said, FDR, did not implement such as Social Security (for what it is worth - and for how it and its funds have been redirected from the original intents) out of the kindness of his heart. He caved to the demands of the labor unions, socialists, and communists, as so many Americans were suffering from the outrages of the financial system, no thanks to such as the Kennedys et al (The irony of former bootlegger - Daddy Joseph being put in charge of the new SEC). The oligarchs were furious, especially because they would now be asked to pay income taxes for the wider New Deal, and that is why they wanted a coup to be led by such as General Butler, who bravely refused.

When the WWI veterans marched on Washington D.C. to demand their promised compensation that had been reneged upon, FDR certainly did nothing to stop their brutal repression by such as General Patton.

Marine General Butler saw, first hand, how the US military served the corporate interests of the oligarchs in Nicaragua and the Philippines. The latter where they killed approximately 600,000 Filipinos.

The Veteran's March and General Butler would be good projects for you Loren, to post under new threads.
 

lorenhough

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Another matter I forgot to comment on was the treatment of FDR, which was maybe an editorial decision, based upon time considerations. But, considering the video was already 3.5 hours long, I'm not sure about that.

In any case, FDR, as we know, was a high ranking Freemason, and we know that the PTB don't allow just anybody to gain access to the WH. That said, FDR, did not implement such as Social Security (for what it is worth - and for how it and its funds have been redirected from the original intents) out of the kindness of his heart. He caved to the demands of the labor unions, socialists, and communists, as so many Americans were suffering from the outrages of the financial system, no thanks to such as the Kennedys et al (The irony of former bootlegger - Daddy Joseph being put in charge of the new SEC). The oligarchs were furious, especially because they would now be asked to pay income taxes for the wider New Deal, and that is why they wanted a coup to be led by such as General Butler, who bravely refused.

When the WWI veterans marched on Washington D.C. to demand their promised compensation that had been reneged upon, FDR certainly did nothing to stop their brutal repression by such as General Patton.

Marine General Butler saw, first hand, how the US military served the corporate interests of the oligarchs in Nicaragua and the Philippines. The latter where they killed approximately 600,000 Filipinos.

The Veteran's March and General Butler would be good projects for you Loren, to post under new threads.
Rich said, Fdr caved to the demands of the labor unions, socialists, and communists, as so many Americans were suffering from the outrages of the financial system, no thanks to such as the Kennedys et al (The irony of former bootlegger - Daddy Joseph being put in charge of the new SEC). The oligarchs were furious, especially because they would now be asked to pay income taxes for the wider New Deal, and that is why they wanted a coup to be led by such as General Butler, who bravely refused.

In my humble opinion FDR was told to do, he had now power of his own. The big boys love unions, socialists, and communists, as they created and ran them, oligarchs don't pay taxes. They print the money. Taxes are a joke for them.

Veteran's March. May have been very real and macArthur and Eisenhower from Kansas lead soldiers disrupting them,
General Butler, may have been duped and was part of a plan that refocused any rebellions from the veterans March to the business Plan confusing the two.

I don't see the plan as any more then pr.

You said The oligarchs were furious,

I say, why ? They seem to be getting every thing they want no matter how long it takes
, We don't know who they are they will never tell us what they think, but will pretend to let us know. ..... other then reading between the lines of the books and actions of the people. Who circle them and shield them over time like fuk u shima 3-11-11, the Georgia guide stones, agenda 21 & 2030 etc. we have not a clue. Joe to me is one of the best persons I know who can keep the big picture in mind as he looks at small things to pull back the vail.

Again this is me just reading the tea leaves, knowing that those who control all the gold mines the boer war, all the central banks also love communism and are harmonizing Russia and United States into communitarianism.

G Butler's books about him being at war for the corporations and their wars around the world it's true.

RBN Gnostic Media Radio 021 – Lark In Texas – Communitarianism, Pt. 2 – 7/27/2015
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Co-host Lark re-joins Jan to continue our discussion regarding Lark’s work on communitarianism – in all its flavors. http://media.blubrry.com/gnosticmedia/p/www.gnosticmedia.com/RBN-show-archive/RBN_GnosticMediaRadio_Ep_021_Lark_Communitarianism_pt2_7-27-2015.mp3 Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:35:47 — 65.8MB) | Embed

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RBN Gnostic Media Radio 018 – Lark In Texas – Communitarianism, Pt. 1 – 7/22/2015
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Co-host Lark comes on first hour as a guest to begin discussion regarding his work on communitarianism in all its flavors. We take calls second hour and I have a good conversation with Joe. http://media.blubrry.com/gnosticmedia/p/www.gnosticmedia.com/RBN-show-archive/RBN_GnosticMediaRadio_Ep_018_Lark_Communitarianism_pt1_7-22-2015.mp3 Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:35:55 — 65.9MB) | Embed

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Richard Stanley

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Just ran across the following 2009 documentary, Dark Legacy, as being available to watch on Amazon (as well as a number of other outlets). There is also a sequel Dark Legacy II which I have not seen yet, and can't find a home link for as with the first one. It is perhaps the best compilation of CIA connected linkages to the JFK assassination, with a focus on the Bush family (Prescott and Poppy) near the center of the web. Unfortunately it did not reveal Poppy's association to the CIA assassination squad that Hopsicker did, but this is a minor quibble. It is not just a compilation of factoids, but asks a lot of interesting questions, such as about the timing of various events.

As well, if one views this through the additional lens of the Miles Mathis and McCloskey scenarios then it becomes really interesting to note that the Kennedys themselves were every bit as sympathetic to the Nazis as were the Bushes and Harrimans (same for Dulles who helped Nazis escape Germany along with the RCC). Note that the Harrimans were big time Democratic party players as well as involved in the BCCI banking scandal around Iran/Contra. All such players at the highest level make a hash out of Right / Left politics, as the elites must control both sides of any important equation. As Mathis noted, the Kennedys were LINO's, Liberals in Name Only.

DL1 also has a nice compilation of doctor videos, on what they saw on the body in the hospital, versus the later autopsy claims. The body double scenario still seems to fit well here, and one can see that the (various?) assassination teams would likely have not been in on the fact that they were shooting at a double. The better to help keep them silent.

The assassination turned JFK into a sacrificed messiah, and timed with such as Vatican II, the counter-culture, the strange Vietnam War (Cardinal Spellman's (Spelly's) War) and its invocation of Lady Fatima (used previously by the Vatican to rally support for Hitler) all seem connected to a larger scheme, perhaps the dawning of a new (cultural) age?
 
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Richard Stanley

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Rich said, Fdr caved to the demands of the labor unions, socialists, and communists, as so many Americans were suffering from the outrages of the financial system, no thanks to such as the Kennedys et al (The irony of former bootlegger - Daddy Joseph being put in charge of the new SEC). The oligarchs were furious, especially because they would now be asked to pay income taxes for the wider New Deal, and that is why they wanted a coup to be led by such as General Butler, who bravely refused.

In my humble opinion FDR was told to do, he had now power of his own. The big boys love unions, socialists, and communists, as they created and ran them, oligarchs don't pay taxes. They print the money. Taxes are a joke for them.

Veteran's March. May have been very real and macArthur and Eisenhower from Kansas lead soldiers disrupting them,
General Butler, may have been duped and was part of a plan that refocused any rebellions from the veterans March to the business Plan confusing the two.

I don't see the plan as any more then pr.

You said The oligarchs were furious,

I say, why ? They seem to be getting every thing they want no matter how long it takes
This response gets to one of the reasons for my problem with the term 'oligarch', no matter how technically correct it might be. Just who gets to be considered an oligarch (or 'big boy') versus a mere businessman, i.e. an industrialist concerned solely with his immediate profits (and couldn't give a tinker's damn about some big long running global plan)? That is, does an 'oligarch' (or whatever a better term might be) have a wider scope of interest than monetary profits? So in this sense, I should have used the term, 'industrialists', who were furious at the prospect of paying income tax rates that became around 90% during the war. And yes, many industrialists do have networks of connections that can indeed make them part of some larger plan, but here they may not be aware of the whole picture, but just their role via a narrower window.

This also impacts the issue of models, whether or not, as some like the Postmodernists do, that there can be no long running schemes, and thus all unfolding events have an organic nature strictly embedded in the mundane drives human nature, albeit from those with compulsive natures. Thus no need to connect dots over time and examine the value of cultural memes.

Yes, the 'big boys' love unions, but only when they control them. Today, in the USA unions are only relevant when the jobs at stake can't easily be exported to slave wage countries. In this case, please tell me how the 'big boy's are setting up unions for these workers to demand higher compensation from the 'big boys'? As Jerry and I have stated elsewhere, such things as unions are targets for co-optation, so as to mitigate the damage to the 'big boys' and/or to make use of them for other political purposes.

Imagine some farmer (formerly serfs), from Kansas let's say, who has to leave the farm because his family is starving, because the markets and the weather (for whatever reason) wont help. He goes to a big city to get an industrial job, and accepts whatever wages are the going rate. Well, at least he can now feed his family and keep them from being naked. He decides to ask for a raise, but he gets fired for doing so, as there are a hundred others like him waiting to take his place. This is called supply and demand, and thus the impulse to form a union, thus via numbers increasing one's negotiation leverage with the employer. The Constitution does not prevent this from occurring.

People did other things to increase their leverage, such as forming co-ops, community banks, and credit unions. Under your definition these can all be termed as communitarianism, as these structures do not allow for outside capitalists to perform their sacred duty as you see it. Don't confuse cause and effect.

Hitler and the NSDAP are a classic example of such confusion, which I have discussed before. Hitler and 'the big boys' he was associated with targeted the NSDAP, a worker's socialist party for takeover, via a process known as Entryism, from which he used his natural and acquired skills to elevate himself to power. Upon which he converted the workers party into a party that did the bidding of the German industrialists. This was explained, first hand, by Otto Strasser, in his Hitler and I book, where he and his brother were officials in the NSDAP before Hitler joined.

Please read Waldner's analysis of Marx's function to mitigate the power of organizing workers for his Prussian sponsors. Of course there is no discussion here about the implications of matters like this as it seriously conflicts with the traditional Cuckoo Coup Model (the CCM). BTW, still waiting for Joe to have his forum discussion on the merits of the CCM vs. the SSM, but apparently we're in a holding pattern for the DNA results to come in. With the CCM the plane is too light to land and there is no more ballast to throw out the door.

So yes, FDR likely did have no choice in the matter, but the dynamics were more complex than you're allowing, and he was all part of the larger plan in any case.

For good reasons or bad, the middle class America that you and I, and Joe grew up in, was a function of the massive government spending and programs coming out of the Depression and WWII. I have asked elsewhere, which America is it that the culture was being degraded from, and Joe refuses to answer this question. Instead I have been told, indirectly, that Joe believes the vaunted apex of American high culture was created as some near miraculous perfect storm of seemingly random circumstances. Was this all in a vacuum from the influences of the 'big boys'? As such, has the Cuckoo Coup Model been operent for some longer time or only became active in the sixties let's say, with JFK and all? They subtly announced their maleficent knowledge and revenge basis in The Tempest and patiently waited four (more) centuries to spring into action?
 

Jerry Russell

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I recently received a promotional email from John Hankey, producer / director of Dark Legacy, stating that he is embarking on a new endeavor to create what he calls "The Real History Channel". He says that this is "a project that has been forty years in the making." I don't know how well-funded or staffed his plan is, but it sounds hopeful.


The above video is only 6 minutes long, it's hilarious, and ends on an upbeat analysis of some of the same cultural trends that tend to be complained about here.


That is, does an 'oligarch' (or whatever a better term might be) have a wider scope of interest than monetary profits?
This gets back to my notion that the vast majority of even very powerful and/or wealthy people might be totally clueless as to the existence of this wider plan that we're alluding to, and live out their lives in accordance with the imperatives and incentives of their particular situation. An understanding of the interrelation of cultural motifs, and the benefits of joining an internationally connected secret society, would open up new vistas for success for such individuals.

He decides to ask for a raise, but he gets fired for doing so, as there are a hundred others like him waiting to take his place. This is called supply and demand, and thus the impulse to form a union, thus via numbers increasing one's negotiation leverage with the employer. The Constitution does not prevent this from occurring.
The original purpose of "picket lines" must have been to physically prevent strike breakers (aka the chronically unemployed) from crossing the line en masse to take the jobs of the strikers. This led to armed conflict in some cases, and the need for legal decisions either to protect the rights of the unions, or the strike breakers and the corporations that wanted to hire them. Under the New Deal, legal protection went to the strikers and their picket lines; under Reagan it went back to the strike breakers.

Richard, do I understand this correctly? I didn't look up references for any of it.
 

Richard Stanley

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This gets back to my notion that the vast majority of even very powerful and/or wealthy people might be totally clueless as to the existence of this wider plan that we're alluding to, and live out their lives in accordance with the imperatives and incentives of their particular situation. An understanding of the interrelation of cultural motifs, and the benefits of joining an internationally connected secret society, would open up new vistas for success for such individuals.
Yes indeed. But I would expect that such a society operates much like intelligence agencies do, via compartmentalization of knowledge to one extent or another.

The original purpose of "picket lines" must have been to physically prevent strike breakers (aka the chronically unemployed) from crossing the line en masse to take the jobs of the strikers. This led to armed conflict in some cases, and the need for legal decisions either to protect the rights of the unions, or the strike breakers and the corporations that wanted to hire them. Under the New Deal, legal protection went to the strikers and their picket lines; under Reagan it went back to the strike breakers.

Much of the time the violence was between the strikers and the police, who most typically did the bidding of the industrialists.

Richard, do I understand this correctly? I didn't look up references for any of it.
You are essentially correct. The 'big boys' apparently stopped liking the unions for some reason.

It was also beginning with Reagan that tax rates were altered to such a degree that huge deficits began to be run up, while government spending programs mostly remained intact or went up. So, via the debt markets, he got credit for the Reagan boom. This was the period when jobs started to be outsourced, first domestically to independent contractors (with no insurance or other benefits) and then offshored. Then corporations decided they didn't need to fulfill such as their contracted pension obligations to even white collar workers. But their management and board members always got more.
 

Tyrone McCloskey

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A few possible directions to consider:

The oligarchs are dependent on inter-marriage, in my view, and perhaps amongst the higher tiers of the family trees there are specific blood classifications that bring one extended family member closer to the core than others- The genealogies extend back many centuries and then some-

The moment of conception for unions was the first harvest after the Black Plague- The remaining serfs refused to reap unless paid and have a few other concessions added- The monarchs and nobles had no choice- The first modern guilds arose from these labor victories-

“Helping Nazis escape” is mis-direction, albeit unintentional for most who discuss the topic: The Nazi party was the offspring of British and German intelligence collaboration with the approval of the German family ruling both Empires up through WWI- Between the wars, the Bank of England under Montagu Norman played with the German economy like a cat with a wounded mouse until all absentee wealth was secured and a new Gold Mark could be introduced to serve rearmament almost exclusively- The fascist model was the most expedient to this end- The lead actors of the Nazi regime were just that, actors, not policy makers- In fact Gustav Weber, one of the four main individuals that posed as Hitler (there was no actual Hitler) was a professional actor- (He is likely the man featured as Hitler in Triumph of the Will) “Escaped Nazis” are simply relocated agents serving new post-war tasks for their owners- The British also took the lead in securing Russia for their agents, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin), Lev Davidovich Bronstein (Trotsky) and Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili (Stalin)- The subsequent Cold War was also a hoax, the nuke weapons hoax the key ingredient in selling the Cold War-

Market cycles come to an end at the point where the indigenous consumers feel a right to their legacy and turn conservative in their habits (Traditions)- The oligarchs then engineer a population replacement- They crash economies and open the doors to poor immigrants to replace the old consumers- The old, conservative population has been bred out by this time, cajoled into hedonism and sexual equality to suppress birth rates- The old order is helpless and is absorbed into the new immigrant population- The Old Testament calls this process war or the will of the Lord to make genocide or some such terrifying blather, but it is probably just engineered economic upheaval that is being masked- Take out the supernatural and the Old Testament is just primitive geopolitics-

The Ashkenazim originate in Saxony after the victories of Charlemagne- Pagan women (there was no formal Christianity at the time) were given over to the excluded Jewry while the pagan men were slaughtered- The matrilineage starts there- Later infusions of Boyars from the remains of the Kahzarian empire mix in- (Boyar is Bauer is Bavaria is Rothschild) The migration of Venetian flight capital after the Venetian oligarchs engineer the War of the League of Cambrai in order to blow up the store and leave partners hanging in the wind expedites the shift of the seat of power to Germany, then Amsterdam, then Britain, in order to gain the upper hand in controlling the New World yonder west to the Americas- (Their agent Napoleon later shutters Venice for good once the British East India company has established its global reach)

JFK was part of the culture replacement where the old values and spending patterns of Grandpa Ike were replaced by the new culture of the teenager, a concept still wet behind the ears from the Madison Avenue nursery- In this case, the population was replaced by its own offspring- These days, especially here in California, the migration of beautiful Asian and Latina women are absorbing the old population without firing a shot- (Wow! There’s almost as much racism and sexism in that statement as there are words!)

Over the last couple three years I’ve been developing these ideas- If any and all of the preceding is falsifiable, have at it- Nothing is carved in stone; this just seems the most plausible to me today-
 

Richard Stanley

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The moment of conception for unions was the first harvest after the Black Plague- The remaining serfs refused to reap unless paid and have a few other concessions added- The monarchs and nobles had no choice- The first modern guilds arose from these labor victories-
Can you point to some thread that connects these nascent unions to the industrial age unions, or did the later efforts simply arise from the same underlying social dynamic?

“Helping Nazis escape” is mis-direction, albeit unintentional for most who discuss the topic:
I don't see why this would be the case, no matter what interpretational lens one is using. Either there was an organized effort to help them escape or not.

Market cycles come to an end at the point where the indigenous consumers feel a right to their legacy and turn conservative in their habits (Traditions)- The oligarchs then engineer a population replacement- They crash economies and open the doors to poor immigrants to replace the old consumers- The old, conservative population has been bred out by this time, cajoled into hedonism and sexual equality to suppress birth rates- The old order is helpless and is absorbed into the new immigrant population- The Old Testament calls this process war or the will of the Lord to make genocide or some such terrifying blather, but it is probably just engineered economic upheaval that is being masked- Take out the supernatural and the Old Testament is just primitive geopolitics-
Market cycles are indeed an interesting topic, and definitely of concern to any who wish to control outcomes, but I'm not sure about your specific mechanisms. Basically, anything that impedes the flow of money to a great enough extent will shut down an economy, either on purpose or a condition left to its own devices.

Genesis 47 contains a classic case of market manipulation on a mass and national scale, with Joseph colluding with 'pharaoh'. The result, according to the narrative was the enslavement of all free Egyptians. This, ironically, all happening in accord with 7 years of plenty and 7 years of drought. Of course, archaeology has revealed that such conditions have driven the ebbs and flows of most all early civilization from the times of early Mesopotamia.

The Ashkenazim originate in Saxony after the victories of Charlemagne- Pagan women (there was no formal Christianity at the time) were given over to the excluded Jewry while the pagan men were slaughtered- The matrilineage starts there- Later infusions of Boyars from the remains of the Kahzarian empire mix in- (Boyar is Bauer is Bavaria is Rothschild)
That's an interesting association of the name Bauer to Bavaria. Is this your idea or is anyone else making this claim?

There is some interesting material about Saxons. One of which is that there was no Saxon invasion of England. They seem to have been there from long before, according to recent archaeological finds. But those monks like Bede the Venerable created this mythos for certain reasons. Another interesting claim is that the Saxons were the Scythian Sacae, and connected to this that they were one of the not so Lost Hebrew Tribes, expelled by the Assyrians.

These days, especially here in California, the migration of beautiful Asian and Latina women are absorbing the old population without firing a shot-
We WASPs never stood a chance, what with your Asian and Latina women and the domestic WASCs from Vatican II driven intermarriages.
 

Tyrone McCloskey

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Can you point to some thread that connects these nascent unions to the industrial age unions, or did the later efforts simply arise from the same underlying social dynamic?
My guess is that the stranglehold of the monarchs was permanently loosened by the plague and the surviving commoners never again let defiance of the crown be associated with defiance of God- It was that traumatic- From there, the necessity of progress to get civilization rolling again connected with each generation and the model for industrialization was formed out of the old guild structure- It seems logical- The various leaps forward in learning finished off the medieval church, the various schisms helping out- The resulting compartmentalization of reason and mysticism allowed the church to survive to an extent, but not at the cost of such annihilation again- That's why the nuclear annihilation was finally concocted to get the rabble back in line- Given how easy it is to fool the public with all these media hoaxes, I'd say some regression to medieval "logic" has returned for the average serf-
 

Tyrone McCloskey

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That's an interesting association of the name Bauer to Bavaria. Is this your idea or is anyone else making this claim?
I'm making an assumption regarding the root contained in Boyar and the influence this class likely had on western migration from Russia and environs- Bayern, Bauer, Bavaria seems plausible to me- Given the central position of the former Bauer known as Rothschild, I'm thinking those former princes had a hand in establishing the money system that the Rothschilds eventually came to dominate- If there is any argument for this published, I'd love to read it- I'm sure I'm not the only one who has proposed this- Whether there is an exclusive Jewish ingredient to this, I would have to pivot and turn back to Venice- My conviction for the moment is that the Rothschilds were handling other people's money and the Red Shield was just that, a shield for the oligarchs that created the ghetto system and then abandoned it once their Jewish agents were installed in the central banking systems of Europe-
 

Tyrone McCloskey

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I don't see why this would be the case, no matter what interpretational lens one is using. Either there was an organized effort to help them escape or not
I should clarify: I am certain that the Nazi party was a creation of British/German intelligence and therefore much of the atrocities these British (Nazi) agents were accused of did not happen- I realize those are fighting words almost everywhere, but just the idea of a Nazi fugitive from Allied justice is, in this interpretation of history, oxymoronic- They were the Allies' punks, the controlled opposition- The trials and punishments were also fabricated- The legacy of evil is post-mortem propaganda to maintainence the historical lies that make up most of official WWII history- And every vet will have my teeth for saying that, but the emotional firewalls these mindbenders erect are impenetrable once one has made that emotional investment- I am not out to convert anyone-

I'm not proposing no one died- Uprooting people will kill fast if the supply lines are weak- The refugees in the east died in bunches once the support system to maintain the camps collapsed- In my view, WWII was a planned sweep and clear of the east on the way to modernization of technologically backwards regions- This was a huge leap forward for globalization and the ongoing objective of gaining control of food supplies and distribution- The war was not between flags and races and esoteric mumbo jumbo and Judeo-Christian values, demonic magic versus scientifically engineered compassion, Yadda Yadda- It was a war between individual sovereignty and the presumption of state authority- The flags and uniforms and territorial prerogatives were employed to get the average joe to play army man- The results were predetermined, the objective was/is to unify all peoples under one central authority, and then breed most of us out of existence- Grim, to be sure, but as Hunter S Thompson once said, there is at least some solace in knowing from which direction the hammer will fall, or words to that effect-
 

Richard Stanley

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Interesting. Glad you stay current with Bartram. What he is claiming about the real origins of the Arian church makes a lot of sense.

Here is his relevant statement:

The movement of Scythian-Goths from Scythia into the Roman Empire is just one route by which Eastern theologies entered the West. From the invasion of the Iranian Empire by Alexander, and all those wars between Rome and Iran (fought mainly in Syria and Mesopotamia), and the constant stream of both trade and ideas along the Silk Road, so the West absorbed these syncretic concepts, magic and magical, divine men.
http://origins-of-christianity.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/goths-part-iv-from-east.html

I will have to dig out the link to the archaeological documentary on the Saxons, but it also claimed that a form of 'Christianity' was already present amongst them when the Roman Church arrived. I suspect that this is a slightly different version of the typical Celtic Church story.

We'll have to get Jerry to move this aspect to a new thread.
 

Richard Stanley

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I should clarify: I am certain that the Nazi party was a creation of British/German intelligence and therefore much of the atrocities these British (Nazi) agents were accused of did not happen- I realize those are fighting words almost everywhere, but just the idea of a Nazi fugitive from Allied justice is, in this interpretation of history, oxymoronic- They were the Allies' punks, the controlled opposition- The trials and punishments were also fabricated- The legacy of evil is post-mortem propaganda to maintainence the historical lies that make up most of official WWII history- And every vet will have my teeth for saying that, but the emotional firewalls these mindbenders erect are impenetrable once one has made that emotional investment- I am not out to convert anyone-

I'm not proposing no one died- Uprooting people will kill fast if the supply lines are weak- The refugees in the east died in bunches once the support system to maintain the camps collapsed- In my view, WWII was a planned sweep and clear of the east on the way to modernization of technologically backwards regions- This was a huge leap forward for globalization and the ongoing objective of gaining control of food supplies and distribution- The war was not between flags and races and esoteric mumbo jumbo and Judeo-Christian values, demonic magic versus scientifically engineered compassion, Yadda Yadda- It was a war between individual sovereignty and the presumption of state authority- The flags and uniforms and territorial prerogatives were employed to get the average joe to play army man- The results were predetermined, the objective was/is to unify all peoples under one central authority, and then breed most of us out of existence- Grim, to be sure, but as Hunter S Thompson once said, there is at least some solace in knowing from which direction the hammer will fall, or words to that effect-
I understand your general position and have some similar views. That being said, no matter what the reality during the war was, somebody would still need to hide the Hitler entity (if he didn't die the way that was stated), and the other top Nazis, if for no other reason than to maintain the official story. I believe there is a long history of what I call the Hidden Resort, that which is necessary to garner the cooperation of the Evil One du jour. This starting with at least Julius Caesar, who joked with Brutus and other close friends about his impending demise at the Last Supper the night before. The Hidden Resort concept is also a riff on the Ismaili Assassin concept of convincing an operative to perform his dangerous mission, in that he will be rewarded richly in Heaven at the end, in this case after he dies (because he is not an elite but rather a dupe).
 

Richard Stanley

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I'm making an assumption regarding the root contained in Boyar and the influence this class likely had on western migration from Russia and environs- Bayern, Bauer, Bavaria seems plausible to me- Given the central position of the former Bauer known as Rothschild, I'm thinking those former princes had a hand in establishing the money system that the Rothschilds eventually came to dominate- If there is any argument for this published, I'd love to read it- I'm sure I'm not the only one who has proposed this- Whether there is an exclusive Jewish ingredient to this, I would have to pivot and turn back to Venice- My conviction for the moment is that the Rothschilds were handling other people's money and the Red Shield was just that, a shield for the oligarchs that created the ghetto system and then abandoned it once their Jewish agents were installed in the central banking systems of Europe-
Whatever the case it is an interesting possibility. According to the official story, if I remember correctly, the first Rothschild was approached by an agent of a Prussian aristocrat to become a banker for them. And curious that before starting his economic treatises Karl Marx was assigned by his aristocratic Prussian in-laws to spy on Bruno Bauer, the writer of the first modern expose on Christianity.
 

Richard Stanley

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Was the JFK scenario akin to the assassination of Titus and his cousin (the apostle Peter, aka Clement)?
http://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?posts/6731

Also, I just realized that the time from Julius Caesar's assassination (44 BCE) to the beginning of the Year of our Lord (1 AD) is roughly close to the time from the JFK assassination (1963) till the year 2001. This in terms of End Times typology. Both events helped transform important political and religious dynamics.

JFK was like King Arthur, the Round Table of Camelot akin to a group of disciples. JFK, like Julius, had his military prowess, PT109 and the Cuban Missile Crisis, and he, the 'peacemaker', allegedly didn't want to escalate Vietnam, ironically Cardinal Spellman's and the Lady of Fatima's War.
 

Richard Stanley

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http://www.ikilledjfk.com/

Documentary in limited theaters nationwide for one night only, May 31th.

Man claims to have fired one of the shots, and that Oswald was indeed only a patsy. But did James Files hit JFK or a body double? Supposedly there is new footage not seen before.

SYNOPSIS—Coinciding with John F. Kennedy’s 100th birthday, this SPECIAL DOCUMENTARY event, focusing on the world’s greatest unsolved murder case, entitled I Killed JFK, features two interviews with the only living person to have ever confessed to killing President John F. Kennedy from the now infamous "Grassy Knoll" in Dallas, Texas. This extraordinary night, also features never before seen, recently found, rare footage and in-depth testimony from 20 different respected experts and historians.

Additionally, as an added bonus, immediately following the documentary, this special evening continues, featuring an EXCLUSIVE PANEL DISCUSSION, filmed this month, with some of the most respected JFK assassination experts in the world including Judyth Vary Baker (Oswald’s lover and author of the best selling book Me and Lee), Gordon Ferrie (US government, intelligence, and national security expert), Barr McClellan (Best selling author of the book Blood, Money, and Power), Zack Shelton (Retired FBI Special Agent), and Jim Marrs (1963 Dallas Journalist and author of the New York Times best seller Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy which was a basis for Oliver Stone’s film JFK).

This amazing documentary (and panel discussion immediately following) that has been 4 years in the making, will present an alarming compilation of indisputable evidence previously unavailable to the worldwide public. I Killed JFK will also feature a multitude of interviews with eye-witnesses, crime experts, law enforcement officials, national security experts, and FBI agents who will discuss the viability of the confession of the alleged killer, as well as, all of the people and organizations responsible for JFK’s assassination.
Don’t miss it! - Wednesday May 31st - One Night Only

 

Richard Stanley

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The following is an excerpt about a CIA spy named Viola June Cobb, who once worked with Fidel Castro, and later once working for the CIA in Mexico City reputedly knew 'something' about Oswald's supposed visit there before the assassination of JFK. I thought her comment about Castro interesting in light of my opinion that Castro had a hidden spook agenda of his own (related to his relationship with the Jesuits).

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She was assigned an office only several hundred feet away from Castro’s and, according to CIA reports, saw him face-to-face regularly. Within months, she said, she found herself disenchanted with the revolution, especially as Castro became more vocally anti-American and drew closer to the Soviet Union. “I do doubt that he was a Communist all along,” she later told congressional investigators. “I think that is one of his many falsehoods.” ...
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/20/what-could-a-mysterious-us-spy-know-about-the-jfk-assassination-215143
 

lorenhough

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I'm making an assumption regarding the root contained in Boyar and the influence this class likely had on western migration from Russia and environs- Bayern, Bauer, Bavaria seems plausible to me- Given the central position of the former Bauer known as Rothschild, I'm thinking those former princes had a hand in establishing the money system that the Rothschilds eventually came to dominate- If there is any argument for this published, I'd love to read it- I'm sure I'm not the only one who has proposed this- Whether there is an exclusive Jewish ingredient to this, I would have to pivot and turn back to Venice- My conviction for the moment is that the Rothschilds were handling other people's money and the Red Shield was just that, a shield for the oligarchs that created the ghetto system and then abandoned it once their Jewish agents were installed in the central banking systems of Europe-
Before JFK was shot he new there was a problem and was at risk, called Hollywood to ask them to make this move to the USA people !!! As a warning of what could happen and it did.


 
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