Is America the Russians' Antichrist?

Richard Stanley

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As a former engineer and technologist, I have a problem with the constant desire to return to version 1.0 ... of anything. Such is the basic flaw in the religious argument for God's perfect plan, or that of the Great Architect.

We are told by the apologists, like De Vere and Saussy, and Badley that there is indeed a better way, just go backwards to implement it. Yet, we are never provided an example where there isn't the most degenerate and retrograde of humanity running the show ... for their own disproportionate benefit. It's a bunch of genetic psychopaths who want to retain their hegemony over everyone else, using a lot of lame justifications about such things as their superiority, evidence of their closeness to their god. Our current President is the epitome of this phenomenon.

Putinistas, Hitleristas, and Trumpistas are attracted to the elimination of chaos and doubt, which is bolstered by the employment of binary thinking. It works great if you're able to be inside the class of 'Won', as opposed to the losing class of 'Zeroes'. But, as I've said before, most of existence is richer than binary possibilities, and optimizing for the most people is frowned upon by those who demand it all for themselves. Or are just sincerely operating under the flawed binary assumption that Ayn Rand's and the Austrians' unchecked economic system can deliver good results for all but a few.

Badley doesn't like the Neoliberal Free Market System because it sooner or later leads to the concentration of wealth (hence it's seemingly paradoxical sponsorship by the 'submerged' monarchists). And so with the flip of his binary switch, as with Hitler, he supports Fascism, which eventually leads one back to ... the same monarchists. All binary roads lead to Rome.

This is why neither Jesus Christ nor Julius Christ would support any non-binary economic mechanisms, because not having any poor always with them harms their power base. They need people having to expend all their energy every day just to feed themselves and keep a roof over their heads. And to be thankful for that. Holy Crap, what would happen if they had idle hands? Andrew Yang suggests that great things would happen, but this is bad right?
 

Seeker

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Ironically, Andrew Yang attends the Reformed Church of New Paltz, Ulster County, New York, and Donald Trump and his parents attended Norman Vincent Peale's Marble Collegiate Church in Manhattan, a Reformed Church affiliate.
 

Richard Stanley

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What's ironic about that?

Norman Vincent Peale is perhaps rightly criticized for originating the Prosperity Gospel ideology of today.
 

Seeker

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Now here is something right on track with this thread topic. Earlier this year, in January, Karl von Habsburg, whom if his family were still in power would be the successor to the Roman Emperors, wrote an article concerning shifting political ideologies, the coming US election, and also his take on Putin. Caesar Speaks!!! https://www.paneuropa.at/verkehrte-vorzeichen/
He also had the coronavirus infection in March but came through it.
 

Claude Badley

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Fascist
I do not deny that people are not equal. The problem is they are Equal.

As Bill Clinton would say, "Well, it all depends on what you mean by 'equal' ... or 'Equal'". Most people that you accuse of "leveling" are really only asking for an equal playing field, which yes, does include a guaranteed baseline of dignity.

You agree that half-black, law professor Obama is much smarter than professional grifter, Donald Trump, no? Or, do you believe that professional grifter, The Donald, is really smarter because he is a better actor at acting Stupid? Or is half-black, law professor Obama smarter because he really was acting too, just in a different way, for the same directors.
I think I'd have to agree only that each is smart in his own way, the way required to keep the masses befuddled, the way varying according to context.:cool:
Your preferred Catholic fascists of Franco's Spain, all monarchists or crypto-monarchists were fighting to preserve the atrocious conditions of the neo-feudal peasants of the day, for the benefit of the OG Old Guard. Potatoes and such were not the cause of there being more Scots and Irish around the world than in Scotland and Ireland, but rather that the nobles desired this diaspora. Same for the religious wars driving serfs and gentry to the New World.
Very true, but with Franco the alternatives to him were only Stalinism or Antifa version 1.0 (i.e. an atheistic Protestantism), these two Leftist groups turning on each other - as in Barcelona. Only when I read Orwell's Homage to Catalonia and The Lion and the Unicorn and Chomsky's The Responsibility of Intellectuals from the later 1990s did I come to understand the essential corruption of the Left, as the two named writers create a blinkered view of the world: e.g. Orwell denying absolute standards and Chomsky denying the Fuehrerprinzip required to organize the otherwise disordered masses, whom he treats as injured innocents who just need to be given the opportunity to demonstrate in practice the egalitarian democratic way of life, led collectively and 'naturally' by the 'Universal Grammar' which guarantees an 'inner harmony' between people and via all languages.:p
You love this argument that there is a genetic hierarchy, but this is a double edged sword.
This is because if there were such a genetic hierarchy, forms of government would be easier as the most intelligent, being genetically superior, would soon rise to the top. Instead, it is all cultural. Caste in India is inherited from the father, Judaism from the mother. Cultural transmission is fantasized as genetic - a notion disproved by the different character of identical twins, even though they usually share so much culture for obvious reason.
It is accepted that intelligence is accompanied by both deceit and the ability to perceive the same. And so, for any system it's problem is to identify and restrain such deceit.

It starts with "Hi, I'm Jesus and I'm here to help you". That morphs to "Hi, I'm from the Crown, and I'm here to help you". Which morphs to "Hi, I'm from the fake democratic republic government, and I'm here to help you". Which morphs to "Hi, I'm from the fake populist Fascist government, and I'm here to help you". Which leads to "Hi, I'm Space Fucking Jesus, and I'm here to genetically cleanse your asses, meet the New Boss". Rinse and repeat.
Very true but only as a crude George Orwell-style levelling presentation. The different systems have different ways of operating and differing levels of deceit and stability. Merely reducing them to one and the same edits out the potential for finding genuine answers.

For example, if humanity is to survive we have to travel into outer space, rather than turning human aggression upon humanity itself - leading to environmental collapse and likely human extinction. It is here that Einstein shows his truly pivotal negative role. Claiming the universe to be finite he essentially renders space travel a futile temporary luxury if possible at all - instead, believing in his teaching focuses the minds of leaders onto financial swindling and control of other nations' assets since there is no wider horizon for human endeavor than the earth's surface, its geography made known essentially by the beginning of the 19th century. I.e. Judaeo-Christianity, after 200+ years of rule, is now working feverishly to start a war with Russia and China. Einstein is our misfortune as the rabble - especially the political Left - believe him uncritically due to MSM propaganda.

And the cultural relevance? Monotheist religions hold the universe to be finite. However, the Jain religion of India holds the universe to be infinite and the many gods to be finite. Likewise China, which traditionally held to only 'the Mandate of Heaven', not any particular god ruling oversall; hence China too upholds the infinite universe, otherwise introduced to the West only via Galileo. This cultural difference exists today in that most critics of Einstein's relativity nowadays are of Chinese background. IOW, Slezkine was absolutely right about the 20th Century being the Jewish Century - but that doesn't apply to the 21st Century, Oswald Spengler having correctly predicted to the year that the USA's (and thus Israel's) decline began in 2000!*

Yours faithfully
Claude

*In fact, Arafat pulled out of the Oslo Accords deal in September 2000, leading to Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount and the resulting violence. Osama BinLaden timed his strike on the Twin Towers to commemorate the anniversary of this - and it's been downhill for the USA ever since. (In fact, I was invited to speak on this subject at the 10 year anniversary by a naive loosely anarchist group, having prepared my data for the presentation. When I arrived no one had shown up as the meeting had been cancelled over a week before without anyone telling me. Typical anarchists).
 
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Claude Badley

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Dear Seeker, I haven't read Tupper Saussy but I'm more than happy to accept your assessment.
Interesting observations, I wonder if the life of Tupper Saussy was a personification of both of them? He is initially against the system, but is finally caught and jailed by the system, then released by the system, and writes a book called "Rulers of Evil" (helped by the system?), in which he displays intelligence in his ability to perceive deceit, but does he then use that intelligence in turn to deceive, as near the end of said book he encourages us to listen to "Paul", and obey the authorities while paying our taxes, and to become a "reconciliator" (did he learn that bitter truth through a "Christian" conversion, or through his own life experience?). Did he finally prefer (willingly or unwillingly) to be a sheep ("reconciled" to the present reality?) from now on, to give up fighting the system, and who could blame him, after all that he had been through, to finally accommodate himself to the "Rulers of Evil", in his "entirely understandable desire for a peaceful life"? No criticism or judgment implied, just trying to make an impartial observation of my own, on someone whose book I have read several times, trying to "reconcile" myself to what he is really saying there.
Something similar seems to apply to Carroll Quigley who professed to be a member of the very Western Elite system that he actually exposes critically in his three big works (The Evolution of Civilizations, Tragedy and Hope, and The Anglo-American Establishment). In this first of these works, on pages 86-99 you can find Quigley's essentially anti-Einsteinian stance, though he mentions Einstein neutrally on page 45.

Yours faithfully
Claude
 

Richard Stanley

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But, as I have explained to Claude several times, Calvinism's Predestinated Elect is the same thing in the Catholic Church. Calvin's 'sin' in this regard was tuning the Catholic esoteric understanding into an exoteric understanding. Well, that and it was wrong on its face because the Elect are a much more select group.

And I'm not aware of any formulation that teaches Calvinist adherents to be trumpian grifters. Not quite the same thing as the ironic Protestant Work Ethic (considering Salvation by Grace instead of Catholic Good Works), unless there is something esoteric about it that wasn't taught to me.
 

Richard Stanley

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I think I'd have to agree only that each is smart in his own way, the way required to keep the masses befuddled, the way varying according to context.
This is all Caesaropapist flapdoozle, unless you are saying that it takes some extraordinary intelligence, besides psychopathic abilities of deception and such, to maintain the organized crime network that essentially has run things.
Very true, but with Franco the alternatives to him were only Stalinism or Antifa version 1.0 (i.e. an atheistic Protestantism), these two Leftist groups turning on each other - as in Barcelona. Only when I read Orwell's Homage to Catalonia and The Lion and the Unicorn and Chomsky's The Responsibility of Intellectuals from the later 1990s did I come to understand the essential corruption of the Left, as the two named writers create a blinkered view of the world: e.g. Orwell denying absolute standards and Chomsky denying the Fuehrerprinzip required to organize the otherwise disordered masses, whom he treats as injured innocents who just need to be given the opportunity to demonstrate in practice the egalitarian democratic way of life, led collectively and 'naturally' by the 'Universal Grammar' which guarantees an 'inner harmony' between people and via all languages.
Franco could have committed suicide as another option. Or he could have attempted some compromise position, which may have been the same as suicide. The old guard does not like to abandon its ill gotten perks easily. Besides Hitler needed to test his weapons and tactics.
This is because if there were such a genetic hierarchy, forms of government would be easier as the most intelligent, being genetically superior, would soon rise to the top. Instead, it is all cultural. Caste in India is inherited from the father, Judaism from the mother. Cultural transmission is fantasized as genetic - a notion disproved by the different character of identical twins, even though they usually share so much culture for obvious reason.
"if there were such a genetic hierarchy"? I thought you were the one that was sure of this?

You are confusing 'caste' with something else. Brahmins don't marry outside their caste so this makes no difference. Jewishness does flow from the mother, supposedly, except when it doesn't. The first mother of Jews, Tamar, was necessarily not descended from a Jewess, so it's all BS. But what does this have to do with anything, other than proving that there cannot possibly be one Jew in this world?
Very true but only as a crude George Orwell-style levelling presentation. The different systems have different ways of operating and differing levels of deceit and stability. Merely reducing them to one and the same edits out the potential for finding genuine answers.
They are one and the same from the standpoint that the way in which Western society is controlled. You see the different systems being initiated by various Evil versus Good actors, and I see them all as puppet Sheepdogs doing the bidding of the Shepherds, as per Postflavian the Conquest, Colonization, Consolidation, Schism (CCCS) Model. Yet, we constantly must entertain your conventional surface narrative interpretations, like "JudaeoChristians" for example. You and Atwill should read Atwill BTW, as all Christians (and Chrestians) are JudaeoChristians. And, as I just posted on a new thread, almost all such Protestant sects are created for pursuing specific political agendas, of which they are tied to various respective members of the nobility. For instance, the Puritans were connected to the Plantagenet House of York.
*In fact, Arafat pulled out of the Oslo Accords deal in September 2000, leading to Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount and the resulting violence. Osama BinLaden timed his strike on the Twin Towers to commemorate the anniversary of this - and it's been downhill for the USA ever since.
Arafat was on the payroll of Israelis, and the Shin Bet was behind the creation of Hamas. The fix is always in. As Trump says, everything is rigged, especially Trump.
 
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